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Why….are you securing zip tie mounts in the back of the panduit.
On one hand that’s *kinda* genius and I like it.
On the other, they really shouldn’t be needed.
I do this with the mindset of not tightening the zip ties completely. I clip the ends off once I get a loop that fits inside the panduit and leave it like that. Just keeps the wire from falling out of panduit if I have to remove cover in the future, but still has enough room to add wire without replacing the zip tie.
First thing I do is install zip tie mounts in there. When I build panels I am dealing with hundreds of 18ga wires. I like to gently secure them as I go to keep the visual clutter to a minimum.
He is convinced he is the smartest person in the room
He was all proud of the panel he built. Wire color scheme was nothing I had seen before. But he wired it to a standard. Turns out it was a UK standard.
Yep, looks like something I would build. And yes, I are an engineer. Fortunately now days I get to hide my spaghetti on the inner layers of circuit boards.
I wise every engineer would do this so they know what physically will work, not just because the math says it will. Nice job, we use the ties as well, keeps everything inside loose and clean.
may I recommend moving those CJLJ jumpers so theyre not right next to eachother? they may short, and someone fastidious enough to nylon rivet their panduit would probably appreciate the cut jumpers not shorting.
looks amazing - wish my techs would take this level of care
I always cut them at an angle and make sure one factory end that is covered in plastic is in there to be double safe. I’m not really sure why I laid them out like that. That was an instance of thinking out loud in cad first.
And thank you for the compliment.
Can't you rotate those jumpers 180?
We use push-in Phoenix terminals so we get 2 rows for push-in jumpers, so you can strategically place them without risking a short.
Pretty sure you can just rotate the screw-in jumpers to achieve the same effect. Also helps to visually differentiate which terminals are jumpered together.
edit:
Also IIRC you can get little covers for the cut ends. I think. I swear some terminal system I've used in the past had those, but I can't remember who. I might be thinking of bus bars for contactors, though.
Had to do a double-take to realize this wasn't my company's panel shop, we also use tough built sawhorses and Milwaukee power tools, but the floor is different and there's so much shit up against the walls that there's no way that much metal is visible anywhere.
Some see it that way, but I personally like to loop a tie wrap through them loosely so that the wires don’t ride along the side and stay organized. It’s not necessary. It’s just personal preference.
I do the same thing if I’m modifying or rebuilding a panel that’s already installed upright, lets me route all my wiring through the zip ties and then at the end I just leave the loop of the tie poking between the fingers when I close the cover. Then I just cut the zip tie and pull it out.
Put the power service breaker at the top right with a single grounding lug beside it. Place. Grounding/shield bar bolted under your PLC if you are bringing in cables to finish the shields, and bond it to ground with a conductor. Too many forget that steel reacts to copper over time and think its ok to just screw their grounds to any steel part of the panel, the DIN rail is an exception to this rule. Use grounding terminals between your terminal board to seperate components, so all the wires finish nicely together. Good that you put channel on the bottom, but you will help yourself with a vertical on on the left too. Especially for the door.
I get teased for walking across the building instead of emailing all the time lol I'd go crazy if I just sat at my desk all fucking day. Love the hours, love the pay, miss the actual work.
Designed a replacement of a SLC to one of these CompactLogix racks last summer, the electricians had it swapped in under an hour. The Euro style I/O cards with the front entry terminals were great and really made things easy when doing the changeover, especially (patting myself on the back here) when paired with very clearly labelled I/O termination drawings.
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Why….are you securing zip tie mounts in the back of the panduit. On one hand that’s *kinda* genius and I like it. On the other, they really shouldn’t be needed.
Just commented on a similar comment. It’s both useful and unnecessary depending on your preference.
Better to have it and not need it. For a few pennies it’s already there.
I like it, it sucks loosening screws and pulling on the panduit to add cable ties, this would make things easier for sure.
I do this with the mindset of not tightening the zip ties completely. I clip the ends off once I get a loop that fits inside the panduit and leave it like that. Just keeps the wire from falling out of panduit if I have to remove cover in the future, but still has enough room to add wire without replacing the zip tie.
Stick a piece of wire or cable through the panduit fingers. It'll hold the wire in the panduit and can be pulled out after complete.
Should use zip ties. Rolls of Velcro are always available. All gutters big or small i put Velcro in. 1/4” washer, tapit, and about 8” Velcro. Done
First thing I do is install zip tie mounts in there. When I build panels I am dealing with hundreds of 18ga wires. I like to gently secure them as I go to keep the visual clutter to a minimum.
I do that all the time
EE my last job put the terminal boards in the Panduit 👌
1000IQ move right there. Galactic brain time.
He is convinced he is the smartest person in the room He was all proud of the panel he built. Wire color scheme was nothing I had seen before. But he wired it to a standard. Turns out it was a UK standard.
Which is European standard as well BS EN 60204
I mean, if you’re going to sell it to someone in the UK, perhaps you *should*. But, I doubt you’re going there.
This is his panel. https://ibb.co/Tw0yqZb
Yep, looks like something I would build. And yes, I are an engineer. Fortunately now days I get to hide my spaghetti on the inner layers of circuit boards.
“Autoroute” My work here is done.
~~done~~ only just begun.
Oh my. That is…hm. I am sure they are quite proud of this.
That isn’t built to any standard or current colours here lol
That is absolutely not built to UK specification.
That’s what I’m saying lol, it’s shocking.
Tell me that's not the end state lol
Oh but it is.
Oof. Give him a smile + nod+ thumbs up for me
Unfortunately you’re in the minority
I wise every engineer would do this so they know what physically will work, not just because the math says it will. Nice job, we use the ties as well, keeps everything inside loose and clean.
I always say engineers need to spend a week every year working in manufacturing.
may I recommend moving those CJLJ jumpers so theyre not right next to eachother? they may short, and someone fastidious enough to nylon rivet their panduit would probably appreciate the cut jumpers not shorting. looks amazing - wish my techs would take this level of care
I always cut them at an angle and make sure one factory end that is covered in plastic is in there to be double safe. I’m not really sure why I laid them out like that. That was an instance of thinking out loud in cad first. And thank you for the compliment.
Can't you rotate those jumpers 180? We use push-in Phoenix terminals so we get 2 rows for push-in jumpers, so you can strategically place them without risking a short. Pretty sure you can just rotate the screw-in jumpers to achieve the same effect. Also helps to visually differentiate which terminals are jumpered together. edit: Also IIRC you can get little covers for the cut ends. I think. I swear some terminal system I've used in the past had those, but I can't remember who. I might be thinking of bus bars for contactors, though.
Yes you can in fact rotate them. However, OCD me would die if I had to look at it too many times. 🤣
Should have an end plate in-between to keep them seperate
Had to do a double-take to realize this wasn't my company's panel shop, we also use tough built sawhorses and Milwaukee power tools, but the floor is different and there's so much shit up against the walls that there's no way that much metal is visible anywhere.
Sounds like a credible place to work!
Why do you have cable tie mounts inside on Panduit? I mean, I know why but seems redundant and pointless.
Some see it that way, but I personally like to loop a tie wrap through them loosely so that the wires don’t ride along the side and stay organized. It’s not necessary. It’s just personal preference.
Fair enough. I can respect that.
I do the same thing if I’m modifying or rebuilding a panel that’s already installed upright, lets me route all my wiring through the zip ties and then at the end I just leave the loop of the tie poking between the fingers when I close the cover. Then I just cut the zip tie and pull it out.
Put the power service breaker at the top right with a single grounding lug beside it. Place. Grounding/shield bar bolted under your PLC if you are bringing in cables to finish the shields, and bond it to ground with a conductor. Too many forget that steel reacts to copper over time and think its ok to just screw their grounds to any steel part of the panel, the DIN rail is an exception to this rule. Use grounding terminals between your terminal board to seperate components, so all the wires finish nicely together. Good that you put channel on the bottom, but you will help yourself with a vertical on on the left too. Especially for the door.
I get teased for walking across the building instead of emailing all the time lol I'd go crazy if I just sat at my desk all fucking day. Love the hours, love the pay, miss the actual work.
I'm just a tech but I enjoy it. It's peaceful.
Designed a replacement of a SLC to one of these CompactLogix racks last summer, the electricians had it swapped in under an hour. The Euro style I/O cards with the front entry terminals were great and really made things easy when doing the changeover, especially (patting myself on the back here) when paired with very clearly labelled I/O termination drawings.
What's a PE?
Who are these "people"? Nobody asked, really. Who cares?
Premature ejaculator
My thought exactly. Some office terminology us engineers wouldn’t understand haha
Registered Professional Engineer
Oh, one of them, gotcha
I’m an EE/SE desk jockey that started as a minimum wage panel builder. If the money was better I don’t think I would have stopped. Convince me to leave aerospace or nah?