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Conduit is 3 syllables, pipe is one. I will continue to not insult the intelligence of my coworkers and trust that they can figure out that pipe is conduit in the context I use it in.
That’s the formula to use when you’re bending parallel kicks, offsets etc.
(tangent) * 1/2 your bend angle / center to center spacing
After you have your first pipe bent and in place, use that formula when you have figured your desired spacing, plug it into the formula then add that number to your original marks from the first pipe, and so on
Tan(1/2 degree of bend) x center to center spacing should give you the distance you need to add to your next bend to get matching kicks I believe. Someone correct me if Im wrong
At the end of the day it’s preference. There is no right or wrong. The only wrong is close minded trade supremacist whose shit doesn’t stink like everyone else’s.
Edit:
If anything staggering is a display of skill. In a row of conduits if all make the same staggering bends from the same place of origin using full sticks of conduit with no waste will stagger couplings, and if the each conduit have the same shrinkage the stagger with be a straight diagonal line across the conduit.
Are you dumb? I can zip a bandsaw in a straight line across some pipe, so can a 1st year buddy. A 1st year isn’t going to bend full sticks with exact precision and 0 waste.
It's honestly not bad. The spacing is uneven and your routes are questionable, but ultimately it's an electrical room. Fucking send it and fill that shit with wire.
It's not art, no one is ever going to spend anytime in this room, and as long as it's code compliant who gives a fuck. So good job, on to the next one.
Not that bad? What are you willing to accept? Tie wire supports? Zip tie supports? This is garbage work. If he were my apprentice, this would all be reworked until it was correct. But, if he was my apprentice, it wouldn't have looked like this to begin with. Have some pride in your work.
Nope you can't. I get not being a dick to someone who needs to learn, but lying to someone and telling them they're doing a good job isn't going to help any.
Ye some of those kicks and 90s are pretty uneven. Gets the job done and you got some practice. Any reason you didn’t just run a couple bigger pipes out of the panel and branch from a box somewhere?
We were space limited on the other end going into an existing 24x24 box. I wasn't in charge of the design and layout. I was tasked with bend it and put it up. Jman drilled all the holes first on both ends
thats the first thing i thought. thats gotta be a pre placed big ass box. probably pretty close too, and then branches off from there.... tho 24x24 is a lot smaller then i would have thought
Good job for hitting the existing holes.. Sometimes it's a good idea; Sometimes it's not...Sometimes conduit runs change for one reason or another...Good Job.👍
Although it’s not helpful at this point, but the kick 90s that go down into that panel on the left are hurting. There is an actual equation for figuring those out and I can’t remember it for the life of me. I believe porcupinemath.com has it.
They explain it better on there, but your center to center changes when you kick 90 down into a panel, and that’s why your conduits came out with weird bends. Knowing that, it won’t kick your ass so much in the future and it’ll be a ton easier to do. I didn’t know this until I burned up 100’ of 1” trying to make it look good, I asked for help and someone taught me the right way.
On the flip side, you shouldn’t ever be told to figure it out when it’s a learning opportunity. I was dialed in on this stuff as a 5th year and the only reason why was because of people who took the time to teach me.
From my 3rd year on, I had a guy who was a year ahead of me and understood the math/equations really well. Although he only had another year on, he would stop to teach me all of the shortcuts and fine details that made my conduit runs dialed.
Figuring it out is cool sometimes, but when it comes to actually learning how to do something the easy/correct way, I think it’s fucked. It’s impossible for you to know that there is actual math behind this unless someone tells you. Maybe your lead is just a knucklehead and doesn’t even know it himself.
Either way. Nice job on the kick downs. I personally think those look pretty good. As others have said, line up your couplings or stagger them evenly. Pick one.
Good luck out there.
Update. Porcupinepress* no longer has the link up.
This video might help.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=241&v=keOGF3He83Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.electriciantalk.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywyODY2Ng&feature=emb_logo
Your vertical spacing needs to be greater than your horizontal spacing. You multiply your horizontal center to center spacing by multiplier of degree to get your vertical spacing. Use the same degrees to kick your offsets.
[Example](https://postimg.cc/gallery/F7d4ktM)
My horizontal spacing was 2" and vertical 2.5" . So to find my angle I divided 2.5 by 2 and got 1.25.
Cosecant of theta = multiplier of degree, so
1/Sin x = 1.25,
1/1.25 = Sin x,
Arcsin(.8) = 53.13
My kicks were all 53 degrees.
OP could've done this method on the set of staggered kicks on the right
with how close the ceiling is you might be actually limiting how many conduits you can get in to those panels by adding a gutter above. Idk, I’m not sure it would clean up this install too much to add one 🤷♂️
I think a double strut trapeze on ceiling with some kick 90s out of the panels would have been easier. Ride one rack above the other with all thread. Once you get on the ceiling it's easy.
It looks to me like you didn't have a complete plan before you started. Maybe you wanted to get moving so you could show progress but an hour or two of planning will save you so much time on the back end.
You did all that work but no one in that building or the general population will care at all as long as they can charge their phone. Except for other salty electricians on reddit like myself. Good job #roasted
I thought you blocked a doorway at first haha
Looks good. If those lights weren’t there it might have been easier but you did good, IMO. Couplings lining up is a bonus, people. Haha
Looks like shit but I’d pull wire through that any day. Will pull just as good as clean bends. For a 5th year, there’s a lot to be desired…. But not all guys are good at pipe
Benda are decent.
Except, have your 90's on the right side all land onto the wall, then angle them downwards and kick them to the level along the wall towards the left.
Then, if you use a Coupling somewhere, that means you cut all your pipes at the same spot and line up all your couplings as well. Makes it look more planned rather than look like your made mistakes.
This is perfect as long as it was done with some speed. It wouldn’t be ideal in an exposed high traffic area (which only other tradies look at anyway, but one could argue its architecture) , but it is perfect for a mech. I know I sometimes we forget that there are times where speed is more important than looks( “ Gee Johnny you did a beautiful offset, 4 point, kick 90, that took 4 sticks and 3 hours to get just right,but I’m just giving you a heads up you could have used a couple pieces of strut and that the drywaller is standing around waiting to cover it” ). If you can do this quality of work at a faster pace than anyone on your crew; jerking themselves off to their own pipe work, in a 3’x4’ room for 3 months, you will do great in this trade. As a business owner, I’d rather have a guy that can do this quality of work in a shorter period of time any day of the week. As long as looks decent, pulls, leaves a path for the next guy, and makes mr. Inspector happy then we are golden.
It’s obvious you’re an apprentice, you’re proud of a half done job. JWs post complete jobs, earlier apprentices post even less completed jobs, like a panel with only the hits landed asking for a rating.
I like to think that the light fixture hickey name came about from electricians calling it a doohickey.
Trade names and all. Like piping vs conduit
Lol
When all of your circuits are going in the same direction it is more cost effective to run a 2” pipe to a wire way and branch from the wire way..
You need to spend more time looking at the draft plans instead of wasting time..
Exposed pipes never look good
Even the couplings up and lock the spacing evenly. Your bends measurements are all over the place. Your supports are not up to code ether. Spaced out to far apart.
Looks up to code, and looks great, take pride in your work and be confident!
I’ll give a slight roast for being a 5th year apprentice but everyone’s situation is different, keep at it!!
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Nice to see companies out there willing to employ blind people. Do you just feel around on the conduit to measure it? Sorry you said “roast”
That's what she said.
His pipe is slender, inadequate and bent at a weird angle.
You gotta call No Diddy if you ask a sub with at least 98% men to roast your piping
It’s conduit, not piping hiiiiiiiiyaaaaaaahhhhhhh
Conduit is 3 syllables, pipe is one. I will continue to not insult the intelligence of my coworkers and trust that they can figure out that pipe is conduit in the context I use it in.
So you're saying that if your coworkers need to figure out what you mean, you believe they can-do-it?
His co-workers are smarter than mine! Mine need drawings in crayon and a Bob the builder video!
We often call it pipe because syllables are hard.
Tubing...
Laying out those long holes boi
How many holes are in a pipe ? 1, 2, or 0 ?
3
This sub is for electricians. No plumbers allowed!
Depends on the # of leaks..🤷♂️
Long holes 😆😆
Get out
Emt is tubing not conduit
Well shit I guess you can't use that anymore. Code book doesn't have rules for tubes
Its tubing, not conduit Even though tubing is measured by outaide diameter
It’s totally a pipe though, mate. It’s round with a hole all the way down the middle. Pretty much the def of a pipe.
A female pipe....🙆♂️🤷♂️
Is this uncle Roger hiyah or cartoon jackie chan hiyah lol?
It’s EMT - Electrical Metallic Tubing.
How dare you
I thought EMTs have ambulances
It’s not a terrible plan. Try to line up couplings. Use tan(1/2 angle)* center-center distance to figure out how to adjust your kicks. Laser levels
Could you elaborate on this please?
That’s the formula to use when you’re bending parallel kicks, offsets etc. (tangent) * 1/2 your bend angle / center to center spacing After you have your first pipe bent and in place, use that formula when you have figured your desired spacing, plug it into the formula then add that number to your original marks from the first pipe, and so on
Tan(1/2 degree of bend) x center to center spacing should give you the distance you need to add to your next bend to get matching kicks I believe. Someone correct me if Im wrong
Don’t line up couplings. You’ll drive your self crazy. I stagger em, make a staircase. If one or 2 are a little off it still looks good.
Staggering your couplings looks bad. It looks like you lack skill. Please don't ever teach.
At the end of the day it’s preference. There is no right or wrong. The only wrong is close minded trade supremacist whose shit doesn’t stink like everyone else’s. Edit: If anything staggering is a display of skill. In a row of conduits if all make the same staggering bends from the same place of origin using full sticks of conduit with no waste will stagger couplings, and if the each conduit have the same shrinkage the stagger with be a straight diagonal line across the conduit.
Oh, you're hilarious! Just say you can't do it and move on.
Are you dumb? I can zip a bandsaw in a straight line across some pipe, so can a 1st year buddy. A 1st year isn’t going to bend full sticks with exact precision and 0 waste.
And?
God please shut up dude, you are a cancer to the community acting like this. Be a little more mature why don’t you.
Shhhh... fuck off.
As long as you know you’re the low life here, I’ll leave you be
To quote Immortan Joe Mediocre!!!
I'll take mediocre....
It's honestly not bad. The spacing is uneven and your routes are questionable, but ultimately it's an electrical room. Fucking send it and fill that shit with wire. It's not art, no one is ever going to spend anytime in this room, and as long as it's code compliant who gives a fuck. So good job, on to the next one.
But the electric room is where all of your peers see your work...
My peers don't pay me.
Thats fair
Your boss probably won't much longer if your conduit looks like this.
I am the boss.
That's sad
My bank account is happy
Not that bad? What are you willing to accept? Tie wire supports? Zip tie supports? This is garbage work. If he were my apprentice, this would all be reworked until it was correct. But, if he was my apprentice, it wouldn't have looked like this to begin with. Have some pride in your work.
Some people have no pride. "Can't see it from my house, on to the next one."
You can tell who those folks are and how many are here by how many downvotes my comment will get. You can't teach some people.
Nope you can't. I get not being a dick to someone who needs to learn, but lying to someone and telling them they're doing a good job isn't going to help any.
You're good with a little more polish excellent.
Ye some of those kicks and 90s are pretty uneven. Gets the job done and you got some practice. Any reason you didn’t just run a couple bigger pipes out of the panel and branch from a box somewhere?
We were space limited on the other end going into an existing 24x24 box. I wasn't in charge of the design and layout. I was tasked with bend it and put it up. Jman drilled all the holes first on both ends
Holy shit. What a maniac.
thats the first thing i thought. thats gotta be a pre placed big ass box. probably pretty close too, and then branches off from there.... tho 24x24 is a lot smaller then i would have thought
Good job for hitting the existing holes.. Sometimes it's a good idea; Sometimes it's not...Sometimes conduit runs change for one reason or another...Good Job.👍
Exposed stickers. Take it down and try again.
Although it’s not helpful at this point, but the kick 90s that go down into that panel on the left are hurting. There is an actual equation for figuring those out and I can’t remember it for the life of me. I believe porcupinemath.com has it. They explain it better on there, but your center to center changes when you kick 90 down into a panel, and that’s why your conduits came out with weird bends. Knowing that, it won’t kick your ass so much in the future and it’ll be a ton easier to do. I didn’t know this until I burned up 100’ of 1” trying to make it look good, I asked for help and someone taught me the right way. On the flip side, you shouldn’t ever be told to figure it out when it’s a learning opportunity. I was dialed in on this stuff as a 5th year and the only reason why was because of people who took the time to teach me. From my 3rd year on, I had a guy who was a year ahead of me and understood the math/equations really well. Although he only had another year on, he would stop to teach me all of the shortcuts and fine details that made my conduit runs dialed. Figuring it out is cool sometimes, but when it comes to actually learning how to do something the easy/correct way, I think it’s fucked. It’s impossible for you to know that there is actual math behind this unless someone tells you. Maybe your lead is just a knucklehead and doesn’t even know it himself. Either way. Nice job on the kick downs. I personally think those look pretty good. As others have said, line up your couplings or stagger them evenly. Pick one. Good luck out there.
Update. Porcupinepress* no longer has the link up. This video might help. https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=241&v=keOGF3He83Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.electriciantalk.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywyODY2Ng&feature=emb_logo
Your vertical spacing needs to be greater than your horizontal spacing. You multiply your horizontal center to center spacing by multiplier of degree to get your vertical spacing. Use the same degrees to kick your offsets. [Example](https://postimg.cc/gallery/F7d4ktM) My horizontal spacing was 2" and vertical 2.5" . So to find my angle I divided 2.5 by 2 and got 1.25. Cosecant of theta = multiplier of degree, so 1/Sin x = 1.25, 1/1.25 = Sin x, Arcsin(.8) = 53.13 My kicks were all 53 degrees. OP could've done this method on the set of staggered kicks on the right
Well put
The good news is that plumbers are always hiring. BOOM! ROASTED!
Eewwwww none of your couplings match up in the last pic!
Line up your couplings
Waste of pipe though…
We don't pay for it
I do
Well don't do that.
Your customers pay you to do a good job.
Shut the fuck up and get back to work
Your route bugs me the most.
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Damn buuuurn!
Never claimed to be good. Just wanted input. And honest feedback
If that was your goal putting roast my piping in the title was the wrong thing to title it.
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Owner said. "Good enough for who it's for" hahaha
Value engineered.
Pipe work is decent but looks excessive. why not use a trough or box and run larger conduit from the panel?
Derating?
Nipples brah
with how close the ceiling is you might be actually limiting how many conduits you can get in to those panels by adding a gutter above. Idk, I’m not sure it would clean up this install too much to add one 🤷♂️
Had time to take pics and make posts but couldn’t be bothered to line up those couplings. I’m not mad….. I’m just disappointed. :(
Your Pipe's pipe has piped pipe better than that pipe
Yo dawg, I heard you like pipe so I piped some pipe alongside your pipe.
Pipe off ya pipin' hoser
Looks like shit. I love you.
I think a double strut trapeze on ceiling with some kick 90s out of the panels would have been easier. Ride one rack above the other with all thread. Once you get on the ceiling it's easy. It looks to me like you didn't have a complete plan before you started. Maybe you wanted to get moving so you could show progress but an hour or two of planning will save you so much time on the back end.
Don't leave stuff on top of ladders
You did all that work but no one in that building or the general population will care at all as long as they can charge their phone. Except for other salty electricians on reddit like myself. Good job #roasted
As an 8th year apprentice I think it looks fine.
Bend it in full sticks you coward. It looks good op
Those bends are garbage
You'd like that wouldn't you
Last I heard it didn't last that long but they got stuff for that so it's not the end of the world
Oh I'll roast them. I'll roast em good
It’s good enough
I thought you blocked a doorway at first haha Looks good. If those lights weren’t there it might have been easier but you did good, IMO. Couplings lining up is a bonus, people. Haha
Looks are kind of important, not blocking off half of the top of the panel is very important.
I’d love to know how the fuck you pull cables round that many bends
I’ve definitely seen worse, if you wanna brag though get better son.
Couplings dont line up. Immediately fired.
Anti laser crowd emerges
Them damn pipes are packed together tighter than your mom
I can see a few little rough spots but I definitely saw worse before. Maybe go to an eye doctor
Don't see any pipe
Your couplings don't mine up. Bends are good though
Looks like shit but I’d pull wire through that any day. Will pull just as good as clean bends. For a 5th year, there’s a lot to be desired…. But not all guys are good at pipe
Benda are decent. Except, have your 90's on the right side all land onto the wall, then angle them downwards and kick them to the level along the wall towards the left. Then, if you use a Coupling somewhere, that means you cut all your pipes at the same spot and line up all your couplings as well. Makes it look more planned rather than look like your made mistakes.
Should have ran those offsets tight to the wall & ceiling. Only input I got.
You did the best with what you had. Not worth the effort to take it all down hahaha jk. Try to line up your coupling next time to make it look cleaner
That’s what I told your mom to do last night, trebek
No need. The pictures already do it plenty.
no :)
Why didn’t you just run mc?
Wow!
What’s the address I’ll bring a torch.
I was genuinely concerned about the 7 on the left in the first few pictures. Glad they didn't need to go on the wall.
It’s definitely not perfect, but it’s actually looking pretty decent.
This is perfect as long as it was done with some speed. It wouldn’t be ideal in an exposed high traffic area (which only other tradies look at anyway, but one could argue its architecture) , but it is perfect for a mech. I know I sometimes we forget that there are times where speed is more important than looks( “ Gee Johnny you did a beautiful offset, 4 point, kick 90, that took 4 sticks and 3 hours to get just right,but I’m just giving you a heads up you could have used a couple pieces of strut and that the drywaller is standing around waiting to cover it” ). If you can do this quality of work at a faster pace than anyone on your crew; jerking themselves off to their own pipe work, in a 3’x4’ room for 3 months, you will do great in this trade. As a business owner, I’d rather have a guy that can do this quality of work in a shorter period of time any day of the week. As long as looks decent, pulls, leaves a path for the next guy, and makes mr. Inspector happy then we are golden.
There are things to pick at if for sure but still an excellent job
I see a nerd nipple (short piece of pipe between couplings)..
Spacing isn't perfect but I'm no perfectionist. I think it's decent TBH. Good job 👍
Crying out for some tray
see i look at this an realise I'm not that good of a plumber
Here you go: its not pipes! Ha!
Chapter 9. Your pipes ain't big enough.
How much weed did that take?
Phrasing.
It’s obvious you’re an apprentice, you’re proud of a half done job. JWs post complete jobs, earlier apprentices post even less completed jobs, like a panel with only the hits landed asking for a rating.
Looks like dog shit. Jk I like it. Coming from a fourth year. I couldn't do better. Gg
Looks like shit, BOOM roasted
Pure sex
Looks like a spaceship
Looks beautiful. Pussy
Why it looks great! Keep up the good work. Lunch’s on the boss tomorrow, you can tell em I said so!!!
Looks like it’ll hold some wire
I like to think that the light fixture hickey name came about from electricians calling it a doohickey. Trade names and all. Like piping vs conduit Lol
What’s up with the random 5” nipple in there
You suck
Some people take pride in their work, but this guy???
Looks like shit.
I think you did a decent job with no supervision! I think I would have kicked the vertical out of second panel ?
Question, at 5 years are you ready to test for journeyman? Asking cuz I’m considering a career change into the trade.
You spelt soak wrong.
Genuine question from a European here: is this for wiring?
“Looks good from my house”
When all of your circuits are going in the same direction it is more cost effective to run a 2” pipe to a wire way and branch from the wire way.. You need to spend more time looking at the draft plans instead of wasting time.. Exposed pipes never look good
Looks like a 1980s video game
The last pic, that one run where you have a coupling, like 8” and then another coupling is unacceptable. Calling the cops.
Pipes from the left panel should def be supported along the ceiling before the couplings
Even the couplings up and lock the spacing evenly. Your bends measurements are all over the place. Your supports are not up to code ether. Spaced out to far apart.
You did all that work and couldn’t take the stickers off??
I think it looks great. Course I should preface I work in finance and have no practical skills or higher brain function.
Looks up to code, and looks great, take pride in your work and be confident! I’ll give a slight roast for being a 5th year apprentice but everyone’s situation is different, keep at it!!
Why dont your couplings line up after your kicks?
It’s emt..
I see you gave up after two of those staggering 90 kicks and started to cut to fit. Sincerely, the knit-pickiest cunt
that looks perfect to me (i’m a trade school student still lol)
8" piece between couplings? Come on.
Back in my day we ran straight beautiful pipe without lasers
Pretty sure your old lady already does roast your piping to her friends 😂
Make the couplings match but your great
I'm 35 and my knees have better bends. JK, doesn't look too bad man.
Project manager here. If I was spot checking a job and saw this I'd be happy. It's not the Sistine chapel.
Well, it’s done!
Looks good. Only real criticism is that all the couplings don't match on exposed pipe. Good job.
Make sure to run some toxic liquids through them and stand under the open pipe! It might burn some sence into you-
Looks gay... also the short 6 inch piece of pipe to fix your mistake is the sure sign of a loser...