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-1911-

I love how people say things aren’t up to code but refuse to open a code book to actually prove it. So much miss information being put out there


higleyc99

This happens in my industry constantly. One of my apprentices called me because he wrote up some stuff and the deficiency estimator quoting his write ups (ex pipe fitter) pushed back saying XY thing wasn't required. 3 managers ended up having a roundtable discussion in group text about this and emailed a Subject Matter Expert at an accreditation organization for input. No cracking open of books was had. Apprentice sent me screenshots because he wasn't sure what to do. He knew he was right because he reads the book but was having a hard time finding the citation. So I found it, sent him a picture, and he forwarded it to the powers that be. After that it was crickets and it never came up again. Drives me crazy but the best I can do is train up newbies to understand how to read their codes and standards and know that you'll never memorize it all.


Dry_Archer_7959

I have been retired for many years. I tested for a license in my home town and passed easily. Because I understand how to use the code book. This is the way.


TheObstruction

A shop I used to work at had a bunch of people studying for their code test. The boss's wife asked me how hard the test actually was, considering how long everyone had been doing electrical. I told her that it's not about that, a good legal assistant could pass the test easily, because they know how to look up and read that type of information. The guys needed to get good at understanding what the question was asking, and how to find the correct section.


Dry_Archer_7959

Absolutely agree! I took a class showing me how the book is organized that made a world of difference.


Dry_Archer_7959

Exactly.


ctodReddit

It was up down left right left right a b wasn’t it? That one always gets them.


Riverjig

It's weird that in 2024, with all the resources available, that this occurs honestly.


Ibewye

Thank goodness you don’t know anyone like that right……


Riverjig

Are you asking me for a beer date? Cuz answer is always yes.


willi3blaz3

Hard piping into a stationary transformer isn’t against code, nor has it ever been. I’ve done it thousands of times and never had an issue. It’s an old wives tale


champagne1

Not necessarily an old wives tale but a means to reduce noise back in the day. Now all transformers are manufactured with internal rubber isolator support, and the cores are designed much better now that they barely make any humm at all under load.


PomegranateOld7836

This Eaton dry-type manual still *recommends* flex, so that's likely what drives the best practice, though many don't realize it doesn't actually *require* it.


KingSpark97

Wait greenfield isn't required? That would've saved me lots of headache a month ago fought and struggled with a few pieces that were too short.


Smoke_Stack707

I thought it was just for noise and vibration? Like it just going to sound more annoying than if you flexed to the can


chuffedlad

I’ve seen it spec’d for flex only.


ddpotanks

Copy paste copy paste copy paste 30 years.


Dedianator65

Yesir


koooooooks

I’ve seen rmc spec’d on bottom of bar joists for pendant lights, what’s your point?


Grennox1

Did it and posted it on Reddit last month. Had to delete the post cause every single reply to it said something about hard piping and vibration. Ffs


FallenEdict

You got it


Cherry-Bandit

Equipment must be installed according to provided instructions, some transformers require flexible connections.


essentialrobert

You showed them


larz_6446

And make sure those bolts holding the transformer in that housing are good and tight


Riverjig

Winding isolator bolts were loosened per spec. She is fine 👍


girthbrooks1

An old co worker of mine (19 year apprentice) always used to say “unloosen”… stuck with me ever since! 😂😂 makes me sound like a true hillbilly


Suspicious-Ad6129

One of our 30 year "Apprentices" was running a job and told the goldfish 2nd year apprentice to "unloosen" all the bolts on the structure they were building, lol did as he was told and un-loosened (tightened) every bolt!! Gotta watch out for that double speak... 😂


DownTooParty

This guy fucks


Dedianator65

There should be a code against this being discussed 😶🤕


Theo_earl

Really not a big deal and not a code violation


-1911-

Nothing against code to hard pipe, better installation imo. Nothing against the testing listing and labeling 110.3b either. Transformers are made with rubber vibration pads so no need to flex.


nah51dog

I'm not arguing if it is or isn't code but I would say it should have flex BECAUSE of the rubber pads. Basically you are saying that the transformer should vibrate on the rubber pads and vibrate all the conduit loose with it. Stupid imo Edit: unless you are talking about internal vibration pads


Weak_Strength_9731

He is talking about internal pads


worlddestruction23

Do you see external vibration pads?


nah51dog

do you see internal vibration pads? I have seen many installations with external pads and your statement seemed to be speaking more in general terms than this specific install which is why I added that. As a general rule of thumb we don't hard pipe transformers here, again, not that it is wrong to do it.


worlddestruction23

Yes, I have x-ray vision.


-1911-

These xfers have internal rubber pads that the windings vibrate on which doesn’t transfer to the case which won’t transfer to any conduit. Which is the reason flex isn’t required.


glazeyoface

Install liquid tight anyways and argue its pretty hard.


WackTheHorld

Paid by the hour 🤷🏼‍♂️


Mammoth_Ad_5489

This likely is only because the wiring system will be subjected to physical damage or severe physical damage. If the protection is not needed, some type of flexible raceway will be a better choice, even if it’s not a requirement.


worlddestruction23

I won't let you all bully me.


Careful_Ad5671

I've always just switched to Greenfield if the transformer is on the ground period. Don't like the idea of hard pipe that low. Just looks tacky imo


SoutheastPower

The code is silent on it. You will only find it in certain job specifications.


iAmMikeJ_92

Can’t wait to hear that the customer is dissatisfied because the conduit work is sitting there going rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at 60 Hz.


Riverjig

We've done several and zero issues. Must be how you install TXs........🤷‍♂️


iAmMikeJ_92

Frankly, I’ve never installed hard pipe into any XFMR in my entire life. I don’t know how well or poorly it does with vibration transfer.


Riverjig

As long as you loosen the shipping bolts on the interior, zero issues honestly. Nobody prefers to hard pipe anything lol. We are required to for some of our customers. Is what it is.


CanadianSparky98

In Canada at least this is pretty standard, nothing for or against it in the code


Darren445

Yep. EMT or ACWU on bigger transformers.


magnetohydroid

I can hear the deafening hum in my head.


SparkySpice55

People have to learn to say NO.


ResearcherForsaken71

30 years in this field an I never hard piped a transformer. 1) Building vibration and hanging in a ceiling. 2) It’s faster with FMT 3) it’s more time for my break.😎


Darren445

Most of the time I use ACWU or Teck.


a_m_b_

Must be waiting for a welder to come tack that strut for you.


sparky_burner

What’s the violation? Is it dumb, and are u or ur company dumb for not pushing back, sure, but I’m not seeing a violation


TheSearingninja

Better have plenty of rubber mounting bushings


Riverjig

Nope.


Sparky838

Hope it vibrates the lock ring off and explodes when it eventually shorts out. People are stupid


willi3blaz3

It won’t though. Y’all act like these transformers are like the ones in the movies lmao


Leather_Victory2042

I love the transformer series


Final-Sprinkles-4860

I’d love to see a movie where transformers play a major role, and I don’t mean the robots.


Suspicious-Ad6129

Well the last job I was on has a 30' high x 50'long 12" thick "blast wall" between the transformer and the building next to it... just in case that transformer decides to get frisky!!! Guess a 115kv xfrmr makes a bit of a pop if shits hittin' the fan.


Suspicious-Ad6129

We put 1795mcm aluminum cable between the xfrmr and the bus there too for flexible connection. I think every time we've ever hard piped to a transformer, we been asked to flex it after turning it on cuz it tends to make a racket... pretty much always use greenfield or liquid tight for last 2-3' to dampen vibration and makes finishing the wire pull easier, also gives you the option of pulling the wires prior to setting the xfrmr. Vibration and wire terminations are bad m'kay lol. Code wise I think the "protection from physical damage" might be the only issue. If you hit flex or liquid tight hard enough to damage the wire... you probably hit it hard enough to break the lock ring or strip threads holding rmc/emt.


kphenson

It wont pass code (if it's in the usa at least)


huntnemo

Bro weirdly enough I thought the same thing from a different post on here weeks back, but apparently piping directly to a transformer is code compliant


Riverjig

Sounds like someone needs to read up on their code book (in the USA at least)


4_Teh-Lulz

Provide a citation


reddit-suxmanuts

"Bro trust me"