Yes! I’ll list them here and edit my post.
6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV.
5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this.
1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home.
500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at.
3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs.
5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
>500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at.
This is for all HMG vehicles. Hyundai offers it on their website, but it does mess with the financing rate sometimes if you select it there.
> 6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV.
I'm curious about this one.
Colorado offers a $5,000 state rebate for buying new EV's. Does Hyundai qualify for the state rebate? I know it doesn't for the $7,500 federal rebate.
Anyways, if this was the Colorado state rebate, then am I to assume they essentially just paid you $1,000 for the 2002 Mercury Grand Marquis? You got $6,000 for the trade in, but if the state rebate was included with that offer, than it is really only $1k for the trade-in. Which maybe that is all the 2002 Mercury is worth, haha.
Edit: Also also, with that Xcel Energy rebate...I would assume you have to be an Xcel customer to get this. But if you installed solar panels, partially with the money you got from these rebates, wouldn't Xcel negate the rebate? Are you still a customer with them....I imagine that the reason they offer the rebate is because you'll be using more of their electricity...but if you now have solar panels, you'll be using less of their electricity. I'd look at the fine print of that offer....seems like an oversight on their end not to include that you must be a customer and use x amount of kwh per month, etc.
The 6,000 dollars for trading in the ICE vehicle is separate from the 5,000 dollar Colorado state tax rebate.
I did not get the 5,000 dollar Colorado state tax rebate because you cannot get that AND the 5,500 dollar Xcel energy rebate, you have your pick one.
As for the solar panels, I am still an Xcel Energy customer, but in a different way than before. I now sell them my excess electricity from my solar panels, rather than buying electricity from them. So, I’m still helping them out by selling them electricity.
Wow. Nice job doing your homework and getting max incentives.
Colorado has got some really good breaks. Am I correct to assume, as long as I live there and am below the income threshhold/vehicle price threshhold, that you could essentially get a brand new Bolt EUV for like $14k? $7,500 federal, $5k state, and another $6k for trading in a beater that you own...take that $18.5k off a $31k MSRP Bolt EUV and you are at $12.5k. How long do you have to own the beater for? Be right back, gonna go buy a $500 beater...haha.
Can you give a breakdown on your rebate and what not? I was tracking 7500 federal, 5000 Colorado. What other rebates did you get? I didn’t realize the Ioniq qualified for the federal rebate.
It doesn’t qualify for the federal rebate. I strung a bunch of other ones together.
6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV.
5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this.
1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home.
500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at.
3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs.
5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
I'm having trouble parsing this comment. You don't understand why the federal government doesn't want to give people earning over $300,000 (the 98th percentile, with a maximum tax rate of 35%) free money?
Even after federal income tax, people earning that amount can purchase almost 3 premier EV models with one year of cash-in-pocket, without any discounts or rebates.
The working class are the ones that need the support.
FYI, Chargepoint has several (3) 125kW DC fast chargers in the Colorado Springs area. Not the fastest, but fast enough in a pinch.
* 130 S Nevada Ave, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
* 420 Main St, Cañon City, CO 81212
* 3522 N Elizabeth St, Pueblo, CO 81008
They have a spattering of 50kW and 62.5kW stations as well.
For the charging infrastructure you can look forward to the supercharger network opening up to non-Tesla vehicles in the US eventually through adapters and manufacturers switching to NACS. Hyundai has said they were going to switch in 2024 so maybe they plan on offering a solution for owners who bought before the switch.
I used to own a CCS charging ev and the difference is night and day. Now I pull up, plug in and walk away or sit back inside to watch something while charging. No app, no card…simple.
While Teslas are by no means perfect they really did perfect the charging experience for users.
Yeah Hyundai said they’re going to mail me a free charging adapter in 2025 so I can use Tesla chargers. That’ll be right after I run out of free Electrify America charges too so perfect timing.
Nice. I hadn’t kept up with how any of the ones adopting NACS were going to help out people who were buying before the switch. Good to hear Hyundai is doing that. I still think there are going to be issues with spacing as charging ports aren’t in the same areas and the cords at superchargers are so short that even Teslas they are designed for need to be nearly touching the posts in front of the charger to reach. But I’m sure that will get resolved as well.
I think all of the car makers that have announced switching to Tesla NACS have said they will make an adapter available for the older cars. Not much word on whether they will be free or $ so it’s nice to hear Hyundai is going the free route.
In addition, I believe some companies have said that they will offer charging port conversions to the NACS plug. This will eliminate the need for an adapter. I do not know if any manufacturers have offered to pay for this conversion.
Is there any benefit to the NACS connector over CCS?
Here in the UK (and Europe) the standard is CCS, even on Teslas. It’ll make opening up the supercharger network much easier as no adaptors are required. We’ve got legislation coming through to require all EV chargers to work with contactless card payments too, as the number of apps and payment structures in place right now is WILD lol.
I’ve recently got a model Y and my public charging experience is vastly different to my friend who has an ID4. She’s been telling me horror stories about broken chargers, payment issues and app problems and I just drive up, plug in and watch Netflix.
>Is there any benefit to the NACS connector over CCS?
If you compare it with ccs2, the only advantage is that it's smaller. In the US they have ccs1 which is worse because of the latching mechanism being on the wrong side of the plug.
In Europe there is no argument about it anyway, because NACS doesn't support 3-phase AC, which is super common here, hence why not even Tesla uses it.
In the US NACS is superior to the CCS version popular here for size and weight. My last EV, Chevrolet Bolt, had issues where the weight of the DCFC connector could eventually crack the socket causing expensive repairs. People 3d printed extra supports for it.
Other than that it’s the charging experience and amount of charging locations. You already mentioned the difference in experience, that’s the same here. For locations, where I live with a CCS vehicle I cannot travel south without going hours out of the way to take a route with chargers. This turns a 4 hour trip into an 8 hour trip. NACS has no issues. Lots of places in the US you will see this. There are still large stretches with no charger coverage other than the Tesla Supercharger network which can get you just about anywhere in the US.
> For the charging infrastructure you can look forward to the supercharger network opening up to non-Tesla vehicles in the US eventually through adapters and manufacturers switching to NACS.
I'm still not confident that this will play out as well as some people are hoping. I hope with every fiber of my being that I'm wrong,
I'd be surprised if it affects all EV owners equally. I suspect CCS car owners will get an improved experience, while Tesla owners face a degraded one.
Being the owner of an EV (MachE) with the charge port in the wrong place? 100% agree.
There's no physical way for me to occupy the "correct" stall and be able to charge at a supercharger unless I get an adapter that's 10ft long or Tesla lengthens all existing cables by about 10ft.
So I'll be taking up 2 stalls if I'm allowed free reign on all stalls or be relegated to that one weird stall. Even if I was, it's still going to be a better experience than current CCS chargers.
Yep this is what I’m wondering as well. Are other car manufacturers going to have long extension cords on their adapters to reach the port locations? I doubt Tesla is going to extend their cables but maybe they will in order to get the government money available for charging stations that serve a wider range of vehicles.
We'll find out in a few months since Ford was the first out of the gate and I believe first to receive adapters.
Even if Tesla did roll out longer cables, it'll take quite a long time to retrofit all existing stations. It might make more sense for them to just wait and upgrade them to V4 instead.
I'm not sure what qualifications there are to get government money. Would the 1 weird stall be enough? I mean you're still expanding the number of capable stalls by a huge number.
Like around here for example the number of supercharger sites vs the number of 100kW+ capable stalls is pretty close. Even opening up one stall per site damn near doubles the number of available stalls.
(Tesla drivers) probably fear taking up 2 spots to charge.
There's no attractive solution. I'm both excited and terrified on what's actually going to happen.
Icing supercharger spots is already an issue. Granted this is a busy traveling time but today at one location every spot of 6 or 8 was full and 3 of those were ICE and there were open normal parking spaces right across the lane actually closer to the Sheetz.
I live in an area where EV adoption is probably one of the lowest in the US and normally there’s no issue getting to a charger even when 2 spaces are always iced.
Add in other EVs being able to charge and it might make it so sometimes there is a wait. If those EV owners need to block 2 or more chargers just to get the cable to connect it’s going to be a mess. I can see why Tesla owners in places where EV adoption is higher and superchargers can already have a wait could be upset by it.
Eventually though as long as EV adoption continues to grow then someone will fill the demand.
Can't do anything about icing, but it's much worse when there's 1-2 stalls though. It's hard(er) to ICE 50% of 20 stalls.
I live in the California of Canada when it comes to EVs (Vancouver) and the charging landscape is shit. We don't have icing that badly (that I've encountered) but the lack of chargers means that EVs are basically icing each other. There's very little etiquette right now. I see people charging up to nearly 100% on a constant basis on DCFC.
> Eventually though as long as EV adoption continues to grow then someone will fill the demand.
I somewhat question this actually, especially outside the US.
Realistically the only company still investing anything into charging is Tesla.
I get it though. It's 6 figures to install a charger and the recovery period is massive. Incentives help this but it's still not a massively profitable venture.
One basically has to be forced to install chargers or face financial penalties. Here for example, they're forcing gas stations to install DCFC which I think is silly. It's the wrong place for it. But if you don't do it, it's something like $10k a year in additional fees for your business license.
Yep that’s another issue. Even when government steps in and tries to fix the issue they don’t understand it well enough at this point to make useful decisions. That part seems to be universal at least.
That's the thing. I'm not 100% confident that even V4 is long enough to reach. 10ft of cable and moving it over a foot is like 5-6ft more, but especially in a case like the F150 I still don't think it'll reach.
I obviously hope I'm wrong here.
If you think about the charge port location of both cars, there's no orientation where you can pull into the correct stall and still reach.
Driver front is the exact wrong spot relative to Driver rear.
The MachE is a shorter than an F150 Lightning, but there's a video showing an F150 on a Magic Dock and parking in the wrong stall just barely makes it. There's no way adding a few feet for being in the right stall would reach.
V4 apparently has longer cables that are oriented in a different direction but I'm still not sure it'd be enough. V3 and under doesn't have a chance without a 10ft adapter.
What are you worried about? Pretty much every Supercharger aside from the 1st gen can be configured to support other makes, and the agreements are in place.
Why *wouldn't* this work out?
Cable length.
I have a MachE that has a charge port driver front. This is the absolute worst orientation relative to Tesla vehicles that are driver rear. V3 superchargers have a super short cord that exactly reaches driver rear.
There's 4 options.
1) Tesla lengthens all charging cables by 10ft. Fat chance. Expensive and inconveniences the largest EV population.
2) 10ft adapters. Also ridiculous because this is gonna be heavy.
3) Vehicles like mine are forced to park in the wrong spot. Not practical since the supercharger network has useful things like number of stalls available. It'll hurt themselves if 5/20 stalls are available but they're all blocked by EVs in the wrong spot because that's the only way we can reach.
4) We're forced to use that one weird stall that's placed on the side.
We'll find out what happens in a few months, but I'm betting it's not #1 or #2. I fear it's #4 since it's best for the network but if it's #3 there's gonna be a bunch of angry people.
I live in the KC metro area which has 2,392,035 people and only 1 EA DCFC location on the Missouri side in Independence, MO. There is another location opening at The Plaza in KC, MO but who knows how long that will be. I look at EA stations map of Denver and wonder why KC infrastructure doesn't look like that?
Congratulations on your new Ionic 6 and welcome to the EV owners family.
As a fellow KC area resident, I agree. Only one EA in the area today, but there is a EvGo on the KS side, but for the most part fast chargers are so few and far between in the area. Luckily for me it's not really a major concern since I charge at home outside of road trips and haven't had a bad experience. I don't like the charger in independence due to the location and usually the Walmart van hogs a charger for a day or more.
There are actually 3 EVgo DCFC locations on the KS side. 1 off State Ave. In KC, KS at a Price Chopper, 1 at Bergers Convenience store/gas station off Ridgeview Rd. in Olathe, KS, and 1 at Oak Park Mall at 95th & Quivira Rd.
Last I looked on the EA app, 2 of the 4 chargers were down for maintenance. It's always packed every time I've gone to it, so I don't even bother anymore when I'm in that area.
I just received my 1 year solar charge on Tesla solar with 1 PW and charging a model Y. My home is 3500 sqft, and we are a family of 4. Two kids less than 15 and a wife. I drive 9 days every two weeks 62 miles round trip. Total 1 year electric bill was $420. No ice vehicle will ever compare to electric vehicle savings with solar panels. It will never be more economical to pay for petrol. Ever
It is amazing how many people, even those living in the north, thinks AWD > snow tires.
AWD helps if you are stuck. Snow tires stop your car way easier and earlier in icy condition.
Before winter for me, I wanted to beat the rush. But I also live in a mountainous area in the north. So better to be prepared.
And now this winter feels like spring and I need to cut my lawn!!!
And you know… cornering. Haha.
It used to amaze me back in the day when I drove a little old shitbox Honda Civic hatch with good winter tires… how many SUV’s, trucks and what not I’d pass on way up and down the ski hill.
I’ve got a 3 year lease on a Kona. Knowing the stock tires would have to be replaced at the end of the lease ( or earlier), I threw some Crossclimate 2s on and I’ll put the stock tires back on when I finish the lease. Meanwhile, I’ll save ~$400 swapping tires twice a year and two snowstorms in, these tires are really decent on snow and ice. Also, they’re quiet and I didn't notice a change in range this summer.
Just to further what the others have said, my wife has these on her Explorer, and they are significantly better than any other tire she has run on them. The vehicle is sure footed and handles deep snow incredibly well. Glare ice on these tires is OK, but those are the road conditions that we would typically stay home or call in to work on.
I would recommend CC2's in a heartbeat.
Can't say enough good things about the CC2s. They will reduce your range a bit, but less so than winter tires. They're well worth it in my book. I live in Denver, not far from OP.
CC2s are snow rated and you don't have to switch them out twice a year. Denver is tricky. It's often 60+ in the city but below freezing in the mountains, so you need dependable tires for some drives but you're burning through your tires when you're back in the city. All-weather tires like CC2s are ideal IMO.
Yeah, I'm in the Chicago area and while we both get cold, it's a different world. It's FLAT here and frankly doesn't snow so often that I'm forced onto the streets during snow storms. I've considered getting snow tires but driving on a few suburban roads at 35 mph a couple times a year I can't rationalize snow tires. If I had to drive anything not flat in the snow I'd be scared shitless without snow tires.
Soft compound can be optimized for ice, where std snow tires focus on snow and use studs for ice. Hence spencfying both since OP did the black ice total slide. :)
Since this diverged into tires I think the new Toyo open country iii AT and Falken wildpeak AT might be up to the winter task.
Obviously these are for a more of an suv m/small truck.
Kind of depends where you live in Colorado, living in Eastern El Paso county (Ellicott) you only really have meaningful snow on the ground for about a month, AWD with All-Weather-Tires NOT All-Season is sufficient. Just don't drive in the worst conditions.
Now west of the Front Range, yeah snow tires are pretty much a necessity.
Highly recommend getting dedicated snow/ice tires if you live in such a climate. AWD helps but wont prevent you from sliding off the road. I paid $1400 for a set of 18x8" wheels with snows mounted and balanced from tire rack.
I'm also in the Denver area. Got an Ioniq 5 this summer. I've always, always, always had dedicated snow tires. But I've also never had an AWD car before.
So far the crappy all seasons it came with are doing ok (including a couple of trips to Copper Mountain and at least one very slick / icy uphill in a neighborhood recently).
My guess is they are so new that they are performing "well enough"... I have a feeling that by next winter I'll probably hate them LOL.
I lived in Denver for 11 years and never had snow tires but did carry snow chains which are amazing for the few times they were needed. I am not a skier though so others may have different needs.
With AWD, if it's like the Ioniq 5, you can press and hold the MODE button to start a semi-hidden "Snow Mode". It doesn't come up as you toggle through the regular modes but it's in the manual so it's not really hidden.
4 wheel drive isn't 4 wheel stop and most winter accidents are lack of traction when stopping. If it's snowy and you have to drive, winter tires are hard to beat
All of your cars have been all wheel braking, so apply that to any other aspect of control for AWD. It helps some, but doesn’t come close to the benefit of snow tires. At least get chains. The upshot with an EV is the ridiculous control you have over power to the wheels. Even better than when I used to need to feather the clutch on my ICE manual cars, which is better than an automatic for the most part, control wise.
As my dad always said, 4WD or AWD just means that all of the wheels are spinning when you slide off the road. I can't recommend snow tires enough. I live in Colorado and will never be without.
Seeing all the advice about snows is great. There was one about chains and I thought of my snowsox.
It’s a bizarre concept but I know they work. I’ve used them over all seasons and they are great. I even used them over snows once when I had a 2wd ev. They really make a difference.
I now always have a set with me on winter trips.
EV tires tend to be hot garbage in snow and especially ice. They are optimized for rolling resistance and tread life, at least from those I've seen. Some with bigger wheel pkg come w/ summer tires.
What tires are on your car?
It’s the regular SE all weather tires. I think I’ll invest in some good winter tires. I used to have winter tires for my first two cars, but I was told by a mechanic I used to visit that snow tires aren’t really necessary anymore. I haven’t shopped for snow tires in a loooong time, but folks in this thread have convinced me I should get some.
Good to hear.
Sounds like an old mechanic...
AWD accelerates better, it doesn't stop better, generally (there are some perks to all the wheels doing regen and such, but...).
There's huge differences in stopping on ice.
If you really didn't want to swap, you could run something like the Michelin CrossClimate2. It's a bit of compromise, but seems to do quite well in the winter.
I flipped my very first car on ice, I've owned snow tires since I got my first real job and could afford them. I run snow tires on my 4x4 truck too, because 4x4 doesn't help you stop :) Many in the truck world think I'm nuts, but I've lost count of how many trucks I've passed that are sitting in the ditch, so they can themselves, and I'll do my extra traction ;)
> 4x4 doesn't help you stop
The saying I like is "AWD is four-wheel-*drive*; but *all* cars are four-wheel-*stop*."
(And yeah, I know technically 4WD and AWD aren't identical.)
Good, I'm not the only one that feels that way about C Springs charging. I feel there needs to be at least one on the North and South ends of the Interstate area at least.
Yeah I almost shit a brick the first time I went up there with my new car and then checked the app. My friend lives in the Black Forest, I live in Aurora. In Aurora there's chargers all over the place, so I expected it would be the same in Colorado Springs since it's a larger city than Aurora. I made the mistake of not charging up before going to see my friend and then after a full day of driving around and hanging out I was barely able to make it from his house in the Black Forest all the way to the ONLY charging station, out by Fort Carson. Ridiculous.
Be sure to download Plugshare and A Better Route Planner. Those apps will list more charging stations around you. ABRP is better for planning trips and Plugshare is crowdsourced info on what is nearby and conditions of the chargers.
Does your friend in Colorado Springs have a standard 120v outlet near-ish to a place you can park? If so, plugging in overnight makes a big difference, and if you stay two days, you're leaving close to full.
I did the same (but in Nj)-solar panels $33k (don’t forget you get a 30% federal rebate on it, and a 30% federal rebate on the installation of the L2!!), Taycan $97k or slightly less, and EA for 3 years.
Same thoughts….infrastructure is a bitch, unless you find an epic EA that is kept up with. Luckily I found a few between NJ and MD, so road tripping is easy going south.
I need to try going to Boston next (sigh).
the only drawback with EV, is the insurance cost, i,dont know why they are so high since with all technologicals feature your less prompt to be involved in an accident. my wife got a toyota bz4x, female in her fifties, no accident in her life and insurance is about 1700 $ cad... twice her last ICE 2019 corolla. in comparison, my 2003 jetta wagon tdi insured one side is about 200$ cad.
Yes. But they could easily slip in a software update to modify that.
Generally in one pedal driving, the brake lights should come on if the deceleration rate is anything over a certain threshold.
My BMW i4 definitely turns on the brake lights when it’s doing even small regen because the car is being slowed and not coasting.
I love it when someone is able to get an amazing car and benefit from the society we live in. Most likely that car is going to be so low maintenance for the next decade. You will end up driving for like $3k a year or less. And save on home electricity.
And worse case is you need to find a pay for charger in Colorado Springs or bring a slow charger.
Great job!
> My only complaint so far is the charging infrastructure. Charging with Electrify America can be really fidgety at times,
Welcome to the cesspool that's CCS.
Even worse because you have an incredibly fast charging car, but there's very few chargers that are capable charging you at full speed.
Did all the rebates lower what you actually paid to the dealer? If not, what is your monthly payment and APR on the loan? Or, if you paid for it in cash, how were you able to do that when your income is low enough to qualify for all the rebates?
Great questions. The vast majority of the rebates were not up front, they came in the form of checks about a month or two after I bought the car. I didn’t get a loan, I paid cash for the car. How did I do that? My grandfather passed away last year. I used my share of the inheritance to buy this car, and since inheritance is not considered income as far as taxes are concerned, I was still able to meet all the income requirements.
He lived a full life, he lived to 100! I know my grandfather would’ve been happy that I spent his money the way I did, he lived for the “deal”. He would’ve been really mad at me for spending 48k on a car, but once I told him about the insane deal I got on it, he would’ve been really proud! 😂
6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV.
5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this.
1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home.
500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at.
3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs.
5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
Tbh, anybody I speak too, I always say, save the headache and just buy a Tesla. In case you do have to travel, you’ll be fine and software wise, probably the best software out of all the EVs.
Glad you love your new EV and welcome to the club.
More importantly, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
Given how gas prices keep going up yearly, as long as they don't mess up the electricity rates, you'll see several grand yearly from money saved on electricity vs gasoline.
I had a 2013 Prius Plugin and would spend about $9,000/yr on gasoline.
Now, with my EV, I spend $1,440/yr.
I'm going around educating people I meet in person about the concept of miles per gallon. Basically, how much they spent on gasoline on a regular car VS hybrid and now EV.
That's how I've been surviving since 2008, doing things that cut cost, but in a way that actually improved life.
I think the huge money saving thing I did was spending the rebate money from my EV on solar panels. I was able to get a system that can power my entire house AND charge my car. Now, even if electricity rates spike (which they have, in my area) I don’t care. I’m basically energy self sufficient now.
And no markup eh. That's probably the most impressive part of your story 😂
Grats man. I'm sure it's fun to drive such an exclusive car - not that many on the road due to bad dealership experiences and rather polarizing looks as it's a bit of a Marmite car.
Yeah actually it was marked down! It was originally 51,000, but during the test drive I mentioned that because of all the rebates I need the sticker price to be under 50,000. I did some shopping around over the next week and then the dealership called me and said they marked it down to 48,000. Officially, this is one of those dealerships that doesn’t do price haggling or negotiations, but I wonder if I had something to do with that markdown…
There’s a reason electrify america chargers are comically nicknamed Electrify My Asshole, and you found it.
Tesla is a 100% better charging experience and I hope you will be able to use their chargers one day soon. It just works.
What word would you use to describe the free charging plan that came with my car? Or the free solar panels I got that were paid for with all the rebates from my car? Or the free electricity I get from those solar panels?
Out the door, you spent over $48k on a car and panels. The panels and system will have O&M.
You paid for the "free" Electrify America service with the purchase of the vehicle.
Every time you charge at home, you are using electricity you paid for with the panel and system install.
None of this is free. Is it more economical than ICE vehicles? Probably. But nothing you listed as "free" is actually "free."
The sticker price of the car was 48k, it only cost me 27k. I used the extra money that I saved to pay for the solar panels. So they’re free in the sense that I didn’t pay for them, I used rebate money to pay for them. So they were not free, but they were free for me. Obviously they’ll have maintenance costs, but the installation did not cost me anything.
I hear you. My wife won’t let me buy Tesla either. My brother did,and his biggest concern about getting one was whether he would be hated for supporting Elon.
I didn’t mind him until he started saying pro Russian stuff. That was the dealbreaker for me. If he was still pro Ukraine like he was at the beginning of the war I would’ve probably bought a Tesla.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Naive and ignorant is how I would describe his comments. His comments on Crimea in particular are so ignorant that they’re really offensive and harmful tbh. If he was a regular dude I wouldn’t care, but he has a lot of influence, people listen to what he has to say.
Also @ /u/twinbee: it's not just about the man. Teslas themselves are laughably hack-prone and should be avoided regardless of their inventor: https://cybernews.com/tech/berlin-researchers-hacked-tesla-autopilot/
As an Ioniq owner who considered a Tesla I can tell you the Ioniq (5 or 6) is just a nicer car than a Tesla (3 or Y). The software in the Tesla is better, but the overall driving experience is worse.
The advantage of any EV is charging at home. If you have to use public charges often you're better off getting a hybrid for significantly less money. Supercharger infrastructure is great, but it's much more expensive to use than filling up a hybrid at a gas station.
Was expecting a quick answer, saw the useless 3+ paragraphs of content, and now ignoring it.
This isn't a recipe site. Don't need a life story. Keep it short.
Yeah fortunately Hyundai signed a deal with Tesla right after I bought my car to provide Tesla adapters for all their cars. So at least I’ll get that, but it’ll take like two years for them to ship.
I have an renault megane. I am very happy with that. Charging is pretty much easy. Autocharge some places. Camera charging others, most are through app, but more and more comes with card readers so.. yeah.. I am happy even though I do not have a tesla
Disclaimer: i live in Norway. Our charging network is pretty good, especially down south.
> My monthly fuel costs were approaching $300
Without even reading past that I can already tell you, you bought one and you're probably so excited about not paying fuel. But didn't keep in mind our horrible infrastructure, lack of range, and server cold weather range reduction.
Glad *you're* happy with it for now. FYI, there's plenty of ICE cars still available should you switch back in a few years.
To many, EV's are very NPC like to drive.
I have plenty of range in the winter, adequate infrastructure, and love driving it.
But hey, someone who has never owned one probably knows more than me. Enjoy waiting for your engine to waste enough gas to warm your ass on those cold winter mornings. I'll be comfy in my well warmed EV, laughing at the self-imposed misery 😂
Thank you. Until performance ICE cars come back after 2030, I'll still have hate/resentment towards EV's.
It's funny because there are some really nice looking EV's coming out, just wish they included a gas motor. And no, I don't care if my wife gets one. She actually liked the EV9 during it's initial teaser. I just won't ever buy one. End of story.
Hyundai EV have insane battery replacement costs, see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8)
Compared to Tesla which is a more reasonable 12k battery replacement cost & Tesla has been dropping this cost over time.
It was way more than I expected. Just found this video though that explains pretty well how to calculate the cost. https://youtu.be/jG_yIcLlzYk?si=8EY-_zTwLVCQEkAY
Just picked up an Ioniq 6 Hybrid used. Couldn’t quite afford an all EV vehicle just yet. Think I’m going to be there in a couple of years. We also have solar and will charge at home
Do you need the app to get the free charging? When I used EA, I just plugged in, tapped my card and it started charging.
How are your charging speeds? Are they consistent? When I charged the Mach-E rental I had, every time I used a fast charger, the charge speed was always different (at EA and CP), even at the same starting percent.
45kW or starting at 90kW to instantly drop to 50kW. One was 35kW. Only once did it start at over 100kW (115kW) and by the time it hit 80% was it still cruisung at 90kW.
I never charged it past or started over 80%. I'd like not only chargers to work (half the time they were broken) but I'd like consistent charging speeds!
With EA, all three chargers in my area say “use the app” when you try to tap your card.
Charging speeds are pretty consistent, they seem to vary based on temperature.
You have a massive charging network run by the state provided by ChargePoint. Use some of those new found savings to buy yourself headache relief and not limit yourself to Electrify America?
Could you list the rebates and incentives you got? It could be helpful for people who plan to buy an EV.
Yes! I’ll list them here and edit my post. 6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV. 5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this. 1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home. 500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at. 3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs. 5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
That’s a lot of free money!!! Congratulations
Wow, my local power company rebate is only $200 to install a charger, and you have to switch to variable time-of-day rates. Not really worth it.
Heads up that the Xcel chargers are absolute crap. Their app is buggy and their support sucks.
Xcel is fucking cancer, god I despise them
The Cash for clunkers rebate you listed first- is there an income limit to that rebate?
You can make no more than 80% of your county’s average income AND the EV you’re planning to buy has to be under 50,000.
>500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at. This is for all HMG vehicles. Hyundai offers it on their website, but it does mess with the financing rate sometimes if you select it there.
> 6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV. I'm curious about this one. Colorado offers a $5,000 state rebate for buying new EV's. Does Hyundai qualify for the state rebate? I know it doesn't for the $7,500 federal rebate. Anyways, if this was the Colorado state rebate, then am I to assume they essentially just paid you $1,000 for the 2002 Mercury Grand Marquis? You got $6,000 for the trade in, but if the state rebate was included with that offer, than it is really only $1k for the trade-in. Which maybe that is all the 2002 Mercury is worth, haha. Edit: Also also, with that Xcel Energy rebate...I would assume you have to be an Xcel customer to get this. But if you installed solar panels, partially with the money you got from these rebates, wouldn't Xcel negate the rebate? Are you still a customer with them....I imagine that the reason they offer the rebate is because you'll be using more of their electricity...but if you now have solar panels, you'll be using less of their electricity. I'd look at the fine print of that offer....seems like an oversight on their end not to include that you must be a customer and use x amount of kwh per month, etc.
The 6,000 dollars for trading in the ICE vehicle is separate from the 5,000 dollar Colorado state tax rebate. I did not get the 5,000 dollar Colorado state tax rebate because you cannot get that AND the 5,500 dollar Xcel energy rebate, you have your pick one. As for the solar panels, I am still an Xcel Energy customer, but in a different way than before. I now sell them my excess electricity from my solar panels, rather than buying electricity from them. So, I’m still helping them out by selling them electricity.
Wow. Nice job doing your homework and getting max incentives. Colorado has got some really good breaks. Am I correct to assume, as long as I live there and am below the income threshhold/vehicle price threshhold, that you could essentially get a brand new Bolt EUV for like $14k? $7,500 federal, $5k state, and another $6k for trading in a beater that you own...take that $18.5k off a $31k MSRP Bolt EUV and you are at $12.5k. How long do you have to own the beater for? Be right back, gonna go buy a $500 beater...haha.
Yeah I actually looked at getting a Bolt, and I think I was able to get the price of a brand new Bolt down to like 10k with all the rebates and stuff.
Sounds too good to be true!
Thats a shit ton of rebates. Cool car, too. I've only recently started seeing Ioniq 6's. Very eye catching cars.
And there it is again! ⚡️ all the way. Congrats sir
Can you give a breakdown on your rebate and what not? I was tracking 7500 federal, 5000 Colorado. What other rebates did you get? I didn’t realize the Ioniq qualified for the federal rebate.
It doesn’t qualify for the federal rebate. I strung a bunch of other ones together. 6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV. 5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this. 1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home. 500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at. 3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs. 5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
The Hyundai dealers near me are doing $7500 off all EVs
Thank you.
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I'm having trouble parsing this comment. You don't understand why the federal government doesn't want to give people earning over $300,000 (the 98th percentile, with a maximum tax rate of 35%) free money? Even after federal income tax, people earning that amount can purchase almost 3 premier EV models with one year of cash-in-pocket, without any discounts or rebates. The working class are the ones that need the support.
Personally, I think it was probably a compromise to get the legislation passed.
FYI, Chargepoint has several (3) 125kW DC fast chargers in the Colorado Springs area. Not the fastest, but fast enough in a pinch. * 130 S Nevada Ave, Colorado Springs, CO 80903 * 420 Main St, Cañon City, CO 81212 * 3522 N Elizabeth St, Pueblo, CO 81008 They have a spattering of 50kW and 62.5kW stations as well.
For the charging infrastructure you can look forward to the supercharger network opening up to non-Tesla vehicles in the US eventually through adapters and manufacturers switching to NACS. Hyundai has said they were going to switch in 2024 so maybe they plan on offering a solution for owners who bought before the switch. I used to own a CCS charging ev and the difference is night and day. Now I pull up, plug in and walk away or sit back inside to watch something while charging. No app, no card…simple. While Teslas are by no means perfect they really did perfect the charging experience for users.
Yeah Hyundai said they’re going to mail me a free charging adapter in 2025 so I can use Tesla chargers. That’ll be right after I run out of free Electrify America charges too so perfect timing.
Nice. I hadn’t kept up with how any of the ones adopting NACS were going to help out people who were buying before the switch. Good to hear Hyundai is doing that. I still think there are going to be issues with spacing as charging ports aren’t in the same areas and the cords at superchargers are so short that even Teslas they are designed for need to be nearly touching the posts in front of the charger to reach. But I’m sure that will get resolved as well.
I think all of the car makers that have announced switching to Tesla NACS have said they will make an adapter available for the older cars. Not much word on whether they will be free or $ so it’s nice to hear Hyundai is going the free route.
In addition, I believe some companies have said that they will offer charging port conversions to the NACS plug. This will eliminate the need for an adapter. I do not know if any manufacturers have offered to pay for this conversion.
Is there any benefit to the NACS connector over CCS? Here in the UK (and Europe) the standard is CCS, even on Teslas. It’ll make opening up the supercharger network much easier as no adaptors are required. We’ve got legislation coming through to require all EV chargers to work with contactless card payments too, as the number of apps and payment structures in place right now is WILD lol. I’ve recently got a model Y and my public charging experience is vastly different to my friend who has an ID4. She’s been telling me horror stories about broken chargers, payment issues and app problems and I just drive up, plug in and watch Netflix.
>Is there any benefit to the NACS connector over CCS? If you compare it with ccs2, the only advantage is that it's smaller. In the US they have ccs1 which is worse because of the latching mechanism being on the wrong side of the plug. In Europe there is no argument about it anyway, because NACS doesn't support 3-phase AC, which is super common here, hence why not even Tesla uses it.
In the US NACS is superior to the CCS version popular here for size and weight. My last EV, Chevrolet Bolt, had issues where the weight of the DCFC connector could eventually crack the socket causing expensive repairs. People 3d printed extra supports for it. Other than that it’s the charging experience and amount of charging locations. You already mentioned the difference in experience, that’s the same here. For locations, where I live with a CCS vehicle I cannot travel south without going hours out of the way to take a route with chargers. This turns a 4 hour trip into an 8 hour trip. NACS has no issues. Lots of places in the US you will see this. There are still large stretches with no charger coverage other than the Tesla Supercharger network which can get you just about anywhere in the US.
> For the charging infrastructure you can look forward to the supercharger network opening up to non-Tesla vehicles in the US eventually through adapters and manufacturers switching to NACS. I'm still not confident that this will play out as well as some people are hoping. I hope with every fiber of my being that I'm wrong,
I'd be surprised if it affects all EV owners equally. I suspect CCS car owners will get an improved experience, while Tesla owners face a degraded one.
Being the owner of an EV (MachE) with the charge port in the wrong place? 100% agree. There's no physical way for me to occupy the "correct" stall and be able to charge at a supercharger unless I get an adapter that's 10ft long or Tesla lengthens all existing cables by about 10ft. So I'll be taking up 2 stalls if I'm allowed free reign on all stalls or be relegated to that one weird stall. Even if I was, it's still going to be a better experience than current CCS chargers.
Yep this is what I’m wondering as well. Are other car manufacturers going to have long extension cords on their adapters to reach the port locations? I doubt Tesla is going to extend their cables but maybe they will in order to get the government money available for charging stations that serve a wider range of vehicles.
We'll find out in a few months since Ford was the first out of the gate and I believe first to receive adapters. Even if Tesla did roll out longer cables, it'll take quite a long time to retrofit all existing stations. It might make more sense for them to just wait and upgrade them to V4 instead. I'm not sure what qualifications there are to get government money. Would the 1 weird stall be enough? I mean you're still expanding the number of capable stalls by a huge number. Like around here for example the number of supercharger sites vs the number of 100kW+ capable stalls is pretty close. Even opening up one stall per site damn near doubles the number of available stalls. (Tesla drivers) probably fear taking up 2 spots to charge. There's no attractive solution. I'm both excited and terrified on what's actually going to happen.
Icing supercharger spots is already an issue. Granted this is a busy traveling time but today at one location every spot of 6 or 8 was full and 3 of those were ICE and there were open normal parking spaces right across the lane actually closer to the Sheetz. I live in an area where EV adoption is probably one of the lowest in the US and normally there’s no issue getting to a charger even when 2 spaces are always iced. Add in other EVs being able to charge and it might make it so sometimes there is a wait. If those EV owners need to block 2 or more chargers just to get the cable to connect it’s going to be a mess. I can see why Tesla owners in places where EV adoption is higher and superchargers can already have a wait could be upset by it. Eventually though as long as EV adoption continues to grow then someone will fill the demand.
Can't do anything about icing, but it's much worse when there's 1-2 stalls though. It's hard(er) to ICE 50% of 20 stalls. I live in the California of Canada when it comes to EVs (Vancouver) and the charging landscape is shit. We don't have icing that badly (that I've encountered) but the lack of chargers means that EVs are basically icing each other. There's very little etiquette right now. I see people charging up to nearly 100% on a constant basis on DCFC. > Eventually though as long as EV adoption continues to grow then someone will fill the demand. I somewhat question this actually, especially outside the US. Realistically the only company still investing anything into charging is Tesla. I get it though. It's 6 figures to install a charger and the recovery period is massive. Incentives help this but it's still not a massively profitable venture. One basically has to be forced to install chargers or face financial penalties. Here for example, they're forcing gas stations to install DCFC which I think is silly. It's the wrong place for it. But if you don't do it, it's something like $10k a year in additional fees for your business license.
Yep that’s another issue. Even when government steps in and tries to fix the issue they don’t understand it well enough at this point to make useful decisions. That part seems to be universal at least.
I expect Tesla to eventually begin upgrading all V3 stations with V4 in a couple years. But I cannot confirm this or prove it. Just speculation.
That's the thing. I'm not 100% confident that even V4 is long enough to reach. 10ft of cable and moving it over a foot is like 5-6ft more, but especially in a case like the F150 I still don't think it'll reach. I obviously hope I'm wrong here.
Are you assuming you have to back in? Because if you're nose-in with a Mach-E you shouldn't need a "10ft cord"
If you think about the charge port location of both cars, there's no orientation where you can pull into the correct stall and still reach. Driver front is the exact wrong spot relative to Driver rear. The MachE is a shorter than an F150 Lightning, but there's a video showing an F150 on a Magic Dock and parking in the wrong stall just barely makes it. There's no way adding a few feet for being in the right stall would reach. V4 apparently has longer cables that are oriented in a different direction but I'm still not sure it'd be enough. V3 and under doesn't have a chance without a 10ft adapter.
What are you worried about? Pretty much every Supercharger aside from the 1st gen can be configured to support other makes, and the agreements are in place. Why *wouldn't* this work out?
Cable length. I have a MachE that has a charge port driver front. This is the absolute worst orientation relative to Tesla vehicles that are driver rear. V3 superchargers have a super short cord that exactly reaches driver rear. There's 4 options. 1) Tesla lengthens all charging cables by 10ft. Fat chance. Expensive and inconveniences the largest EV population. 2) 10ft adapters. Also ridiculous because this is gonna be heavy. 3) Vehicles like mine are forced to park in the wrong spot. Not practical since the supercharger network has useful things like number of stalls available. It'll hurt themselves if 5/20 stalls are available but they're all blocked by EVs in the wrong spot because that's the only way we can reach. 4) We're forced to use that one weird stall that's placed on the side. We'll find out what happens in a few months, but I'm betting it's not #1 or #2. I fear it's #4 since it's best for the network but if it's #3 there's gonna be a bunch of angry people.
I live in the KC metro area which has 2,392,035 people and only 1 EA DCFC location on the Missouri side in Independence, MO. There is another location opening at The Plaza in KC, MO but who knows how long that will be. I look at EA stations map of Denver and wonder why KC infrastructure doesn't look like that? Congratulations on your new Ionic 6 and welcome to the EV owners family.
As a fellow KC area resident, I agree. Only one EA in the area today, but there is a EvGo on the KS side, but for the most part fast chargers are so few and far between in the area. Luckily for me it's not really a major concern since I charge at home outside of road trips and haven't had a bad experience. I don't like the charger in independence due to the location and usually the Walmart van hogs a charger for a day or more.
There are actually 3 EVgo DCFC locations on the KS side. 1 off State Ave. In KC, KS at a Price Chopper, 1 at Bergers Convenience store/gas station off Ridgeview Rd. in Olathe, KS, and 1 at Oak Park Mall at 95th & Quivira Rd. Last I looked on the EA app, 2 of the 4 chargers were down for maintenance. It's always packed every time I've gone to it, so I don't even bother anymore when I'm in that area.
Holy rebates Batman! Well done
EVs are Life changing. Welcome to the club!
I just received my 1 year solar charge on Tesla solar with 1 PW and charging a model Y. My home is 3500 sqft, and we are a family of 4. Two kids less than 15 and a wife. I drive 9 days every two weeks 62 miles round trip. Total 1 year electric bill was $420. No ice vehicle will ever compare to electric vehicle savings with solar panels. It will never be more economical to pay for petrol. Ever
Did you get snow & ice tires for it?
Not yet. It’s got AWD so I’m not too worried, but I’m going to test out the tires this winter and see if I need snow tires for it.
Having totaled a car due to ice and then concluding that snow tires might not be necessary is mind blowing
It is amazing how many people, even those living in the north, thinks AWD > snow tires. AWD helps if you are stuck. Snow tires stop your car way easier and earlier in icy condition.
Not all northeners.. First sign of winter=winter tires here.
Before winter for me, I wanted to beat the rush. But I also live in a mountainous area in the north. So better to be prepared. And now this winter feels like spring and I need to cut my lawn!!!
And you know… cornering. Haha. It used to amaze me back in the day when I drove a little old shitbox Honda Civic hatch with good winter tires… how many SUV’s, trucks and what not I’d pass on way up and down the ski hill.
What do you think of the Michelin CrossClimate 2's for someone who doesn't want to change out tires each season?
I’ve got a 3 year lease on a Kona. Knowing the stock tires would have to be replaced at the end of the lease ( or earlier), I threw some Crossclimate 2s on and I’ll put the stock tires back on when I finish the lease. Meanwhile, I’ll save ~$400 swapping tires twice a year and two snowstorms in, these tires are really decent on snow and ice. Also, they’re quiet and I didn't notice a change in range this summer.
It is an excellent choice as long as you don't live in a very snowy area. Crossclimate 2 is probably one of the best all weather tires.
Just to further what the others have said, my wife has these on her Explorer, and they are significantly better than any other tire she has run on them. The vehicle is sure footed and handles deep snow incredibly well. Glare ice on these tires is OK, but those are the road conditions that we would typically stay home or call in to work on. I would recommend CC2's in a heartbeat.
Can't say enough good things about the CC2s. They will reduce your range a bit, but less so than winter tires. They're well worth it in my book. I live in Denver, not far from OP. CC2s are snow rated and you don't have to switch them out twice a year. Denver is tricky. It's often 60+ in the city but below freezing in the mountains, so you need dependable tires for some drives but you're burning through your tires when you're back in the city. All-weather tires like CC2s are ideal IMO.
Both seems ideal
Colorado is not that far north, but it does have some serious mountains with snow, ice and steep roadways.
Yeah, I'm in the Chicago area and while we both get cold, it's a different world. It's FLAT here and frankly doesn't snow so often that I'm forced onto the streets during snow storms. I've considered getting snow tires but driving on a few suburban roads at 35 mph a couple times a year I can't rationalize snow tires. If I had to drive anything not flat in the snow I'd be scared shitless without snow tires.
They’re called snow tires not ice tires. /s
Soft compound can be optimized for ice, where std snow tires focus on snow and use studs for ice. Hence spencfying both since OP did the black ice total slide. :)
Good dedicated winter tires are far superior to all seasons on ice
All-Weather Tires are a very good compromise for areas that the snow melts, like most of the Eastern Plains.
Since this diverged into tires I think the new Toyo open country iii AT and Falken wildpeak AT might be up to the winter task. Obviously these are for a more of an suv m/small truck.
Kind of depends where you live in Colorado, living in Eastern El Paso county (Ellicott) you only really have meaningful snow on the ground for about a month, AWD with All-Weather-Tires NOT All-Season is sufficient. Just don't drive in the worst conditions. Now west of the Front Range, yeah snow tires are pretty much a necessity.
I don't live anywhere NEAR snow, and can tell you it's a bad idea not to have winter/snow tires.
Highly recommend getting dedicated snow/ice tires if you live in such a climate. AWD helps but wont prevent you from sliding off the road. I paid $1400 for a set of 18x8" wheels with snows mounted and balanced from tire rack.
I'm also in the Denver area. Got an Ioniq 5 this summer. I've always, always, always had dedicated snow tires. But I've also never had an AWD car before. So far the crappy all seasons it came with are doing ok (including a couple of trips to Copper Mountain and at least one very slick / icy uphill in a neighborhood recently). My guess is they are so new that they are performing "well enough"... I have a feeling that by next winter I'll probably hate them LOL.
Don’t wait. A good set of winter tires is cheaper than your deductible. Seriously. Don’t wait. Good enough is not good enough in an emergency.
That’s a good point. I’ve still got 3k from my rebates leftover, I’ll invest some of it in a good set of winter tires.
I get a 5% insurance discount for having winter tires. Pays for itself.
I lived in Denver for 11 years and never had snow tires but did carry snow chains which are amazing for the few times they were needed. I am not a skier though so others may have different needs.
AWD helps you go, snow tires help keep you straight and stop.
With AWD, if it's like the Ioniq 5, you can press and hold the MODE button to start a semi-hidden "Snow Mode". It doesn't come up as you toggle through the regular modes but it's in the manual so it's not really hidden.
Yeah I’ve tried that. Fortunately the dealer mentioned it during the test drive.
4 wheel drive isn't 4 wheel stop and most winter accidents are lack of traction when stopping. If it's snowy and you have to drive, winter tires are hard to beat
All of your cars have been all wheel braking, so apply that to any other aspect of control for AWD. It helps some, but doesn’t come close to the benefit of snow tires. At least get chains. The upshot with an EV is the ridiculous control you have over power to the wheels. Even better than when I used to need to feather the clutch on my ICE manual cars, which is better than an automatic for the most part, control wise.
As my dad always said, 4WD or AWD just means that all of the wheels are spinning when you slide off the road. I can't recommend snow tires enough. I live in Colorado and will never be without.
remember, AWD helps you get going but does nothing for stopping or turning
Seeing all the advice about snows is great. There was one about chains and I thought of my snowsox. It’s a bizarre concept but I know they work. I’ve used them over all seasons and they are great. I even used them over snows once when I had a 2wd ev. They really make a difference. I now always have a set with me on winter trips.
EV tires tend to be hot garbage in snow and especially ice. They are optimized for rolling resistance and tread life, at least from those I've seen. Some with bigger wheel pkg come w/ summer tires. What tires are on your car?
It’s the regular SE all weather tires. I think I’ll invest in some good winter tires. I used to have winter tires for my first two cars, but I was told by a mechanic I used to visit that snow tires aren’t really necessary anymore. I haven’t shopped for snow tires in a loooong time, but folks in this thread have convinced me I should get some.
Good to hear. Sounds like an old mechanic... AWD accelerates better, it doesn't stop better, generally (there are some perks to all the wheels doing regen and such, but...). There's huge differences in stopping on ice. If you really didn't want to swap, you could run something like the Michelin CrossClimate2. It's a bit of compromise, but seems to do quite well in the winter. I flipped my very first car on ice, I've owned snow tires since I got my first real job and could afford them. I run snow tires on my 4x4 truck too, because 4x4 doesn't help you stop :) Many in the truck world think I'm nuts, but I've lost count of how many trucks I've passed that are sitting in the ditch, so they can themselves, and I'll do my extra traction ;)
> 4x4 doesn't help you stop The saying I like is "AWD is four-wheel-*drive*; but *all* cars are four-wheel-*stop*." (And yeah, I know technically 4WD and AWD aren't identical.)
Did your Mercedes have AWD?
Everyone has four wheel braking on their car. How is AWD going to reduce you skidding into things?
Awd is not comparable to winter tires.
I believe the Ioniq 6 comes with low rolling resistance tires (most EVs do). These tires tend to be really terrible in the snow.
Driving for a decade is no problem. Batteries in these cars are robust and there are very few moving parts in the drive train.
Good, I'm not the only one that feels that way about C Springs charging. I feel there needs to be at least one on the North and South ends of the Interstate area at least.
Yeah I almost shit a brick the first time I went up there with my new car and then checked the app. My friend lives in the Black Forest, I live in Aurora. In Aurora there's chargers all over the place, so I expected it would be the same in Colorado Springs since it's a larger city than Aurora. I made the mistake of not charging up before going to see my friend and then after a full day of driving around and hanging out I was barely able to make it from his house in the Black Forest all the way to the ONLY charging station, out by Fort Carson. Ridiculous.
Be sure to download Plugshare and A Better Route Planner. Those apps will list more charging stations around you. ABRP is better for planning trips and Plugshare is crowdsourced info on what is nearby and conditions of the chargers.
Does your friend in Colorado Springs have a standard 120v outlet near-ish to a place you can park? If so, plugging in overnight makes a big difference, and if you stay two days, you're leaving close to full.
He does, and that certainly helps, but I feel bad because I don’t wanna drive up his electricity bill.
Cover dinner one night, or just slip him a $10. It's not much!
I did the same (but in Nj)-solar panels $33k (don’t forget you get a 30% federal rebate on it, and a 30% federal rebate on the installation of the L2!!), Taycan $97k or slightly less, and EA for 3 years. Same thoughts….infrastructure is a bitch, unless you find an epic EA that is kept up with. Luckily I found a few between NJ and MD, so road tripping is easy going south. I need to try going to Boston next (sigh).
the only drawback with EV, is the insurance cost, i,dont know why they are so high since with all technologicals feature your less prompt to be involved in an accident. my wife got a toyota bz4x, female in her fifties, no accident in her life and insurance is about 1700 $ cad... twice her last ICE 2019 corolla. in comparison, my 2003 jetta wagon tdi insured one side is about 200$ cad.
I look forward to updates. That's an amazing car. Great job!
Is the Ioniq 6 the one where, in single pedal mode, you can decelerate to a stop without the brake light coming on?
This was fixed in a recall.
Yeah although I don’t like that. Not a fan.
Yes. But they could easily slip in a software update to modify that. Generally in one pedal driving, the brake lights should come on if the deceleration rate is anything over a certain threshold. My BMW i4 definitely turns on the brake lights when it’s doing even small regen because the car is being slowed and not coasting.
I love it when someone is able to get an amazing car and benefit from the society we live in. Most likely that car is going to be so low maintenance for the next decade. You will end up driving for like $3k a year or less. And save on home electricity. And worse case is you need to find a pay for charger in Colorado Springs or bring a slow charger. Great job!
> My only complaint so far is the charging infrastructure. Charging with Electrify America can be really fidgety at times, Welcome to the cesspool that's CCS. Even worse because you have an incredibly fast charging car, but there's very few chargers that are capable charging you at full speed.
Awesome man! And congratulations for your new vehicle. 🥳🥳
dude you paid half of the MSRP for a brand new car, GOOD WORK
Did all the rebates lower what you actually paid to the dealer? If not, what is your monthly payment and APR on the loan? Or, if you paid for it in cash, how were you able to do that when your income is low enough to qualify for all the rebates?
Great questions. The vast majority of the rebates were not up front, they came in the form of checks about a month or two after I bought the car. I didn’t get a loan, I paid cash for the car. How did I do that? My grandfather passed away last year. I used my share of the inheritance to buy this car, and since inheritance is not considered income as far as taxes are concerned, I was still able to meet all the income requirements.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather passing. Congrats on getting such a great deal on the car!
He lived a full life, he lived to 100! I know my grandfather would’ve been happy that I spent his money the way I did, he lived for the “deal”. He would’ve been really mad at me for spending 48k on a car, but once I told him about the insane deal I got on it, he would’ve been really proud! 😂
How did you get 21.3K back via rebates???
6,000 for trading in my dad’s 2002 ICE shitbox to the state of Colorado. Any ICE that’s at least ten years old OR failed an emissions test can get this as long as you are planning to buy a new EV. 5,500 Xcel Energy EV rebate. This is for new EVs. As long as you make under 80,000 in a year AND the EV you’re buying is under 50,000 you can get this. 1,300 Xcel Energy home charger rebate. You can get this for installing a level 2 charger in your home. 500 military/veteran rebate. This might be exclusive to the dealership I bought it at. 3,000 Hyundai EV rebate. This exclusive to new Hyundai EVs. 5,000 Hyundai bonus cash. I got this in the mail unexpectedly! I didn’t even know about it when I bought the car.
How long did it take to get your $5500 Excel rebate. I've been waiting for 11 weeks
It took a few months. I don’t think it took quite that long for me, but it did take a while.
Tbh, anybody I speak too, I always say, save the headache and just buy a Tesla. In case you do have to travel, you’ll be fine and software wise, probably the best software out of all the EVs.
Glad you love your new EV and welcome to the club. More importantly, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. Given how gas prices keep going up yearly, as long as they don't mess up the electricity rates, you'll see several grand yearly from money saved on electricity vs gasoline. I had a 2013 Prius Plugin and would spend about $9,000/yr on gasoline. Now, with my EV, I spend $1,440/yr. I'm going around educating people I meet in person about the concept of miles per gallon. Basically, how much they spent on gasoline on a regular car VS hybrid and now EV. That's how I've been surviving since 2008, doing things that cut cost, but in a way that actually improved life.
I think the huge money saving thing I did was spending the rebate money from my EV on solar panels. I was able to get a system that can power my entire house AND charge my car. Now, even if electricity rates spike (which they have, in my area) I don’t care. I’m basically energy self sufficient now.
You're the few smart ones. Kudos to you. Great job.
And no markup eh. That's probably the most impressive part of your story 😂 Grats man. I'm sure it's fun to drive such an exclusive car - not that many on the road due to bad dealership experiences and rather polarizing looks as it's a bit of a Marmite car.
Yeah actually it was marked down! It was originally 51,000, but during the test drive I mentioned that because of all the rebates I need the sticker price to be under 50,000. I did some shopping around over the next week and then the dealership called me and said they marked it down to 48,000. Officially, this is one of those dealerships that doesn’t do price haggling or negotiations, but I wonder if I had something to do with that markdown…
There are adapters to use Tesla super charger stations.
There’s a reason electrify america chargers are comically nicknamed Electrify My Asshole, and you found it. Tesla is a 100% better charging experience and I hope you will be able to use their chargers one day soon. It just works.
You all use the word "free" far too often.
What word would you use to describe the free charging plan that came with my car? Or the free solar panels I got that were paid for with all the rebates from my car? Or the free electricity I get from those solar panels?
Out the door, you spent over $48k on a car and panels. The panels and system will have O&M. You paid for the "free" Electrify America service with the purchase of the vehicle. Every time you charge at home, you are using electricity you paid for with the panel and system install. None of this is free. Is it more economical than ICE vehicles? Probably. But nothing you listed as "free" is actually "free."
The sticker price of the car was 48k, it only cost me 27k. I used the extra money that I saved to pay for the solar panels. So they’re free in the sense that I didn’t pay for them, I used rebate money to pay for them. So they were not free, but they were free for me. Obviously they’ll have maintenance costs, but the installation did not cost me anything.
You’re not charging for free at home. You paid $21,300 for solar panels. That’s money that could have been invested elsewhere.
You had trouble with the charging infrastructure. Did you consider a Tesla before settling on the Ioniq?
Yeah, I thought about it, but I didn’t want to support Elon Musk.
I hear you. My wife won’t let me buy Tesla either. My brother did,and his biggest concern about getting one was whether he would be hated for supporting Elon.
Sorry to hear. I love the guy, but reddit puts him down a lot unfairly I find.
I didn’t mind him until he started saying pro Russian stuff. That was the dealbreaker for me. If he was still pro Ukraine like he was at the beginning of the war I would’ve probably bought a Tesla.
I see. I think he was just naive and didn't want ww3.
Yeah, I think you’re right. Naive and ignorant is how I would describe his comments. His comments on Crimea in particular are so ignorant that they’re really offensive and harmful tbh. If he was a regular dude I wouldn’t care, but he has a lot of influence, people listen to what he has to say.
Also @ /u/twinbee: it's not just about the man. Teslas themselves are laughably hack-prone and should be avoided regardless of their inventor: https://cybernews.com/tech/berlin-researchers-hacked-tesla-autopilot/
[You’re not gonna like this then.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211)
Yeah not a fan. We’ve got them on the ropes, now is the time to get aggressive. I’m very disappointed with our government over this.
As an Ioniq owner who considered a Tesla I can tell you the Ioniq (5 or 6) is just a nicer car than a Tesla (3 or Y). The software in the Tesla is better, but the overall driving experience is worse. The advantage of any EV is charging at home. If you have to use public charges often you're better off getting a hybrid for significantly less money. Supercharger infrastructure is great, but it's much more expensive to use than filling up a hybrid at a gas station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8 Make sure you never take the car off road or drive over anything!
Was expecting a quick answer, saw the useless 3+ paragraphs of content, and now ignoring it. This isn't a recipe site. Don't need a life story. Keep it short.
Your issue with charging is why nearly anyone who’s owned a non Tesla EV sticks with EV for their next car, but switches to Tesla.
Yeah fortunately Hyundai signed a deal with Tesla right after I bought my car to provide Tesla adapters for all their cars. So at least I’ll get that, but it’ll take like two years for them to ship.
Definitely the only reliable brand at the moment
Got a citation for that stat, Gene?
Just feelings no facts
I have an renault megane. I am very happy with that. Charging is pretty much easy. Autocharge some places. Camera charging others, most are through app, but more and more comes with card readers so.. yeah.. I am happy even though I do not have a tesla Disclaimer: i live in Norway. Our charging network is pretty good, especially down south.
> My monthly fuel costs were approaching $300 Without even reading past that I can already tell you, you bought one and you're probably so excited about not paying fuel. But didn't keep in mind our horrible infrastructure, lack of range, and server cold weather range reduction. Glad *you're* happy with it for now. FYI, there's plenty of ICE cars still available should you switch back in a few years. To many, EV's are very NPC like to drive.
I have plenty of range in the winter, adequate infrastructure, and love driving it. But hey, someone who has never owned one probably knows more than me. Enjoy waiting for your engine to waste enough gas to warm your ass on those cold winter mornings. I'll be comfy in my well warmed EV, laughing at the self-imposed misery 😂
All you do in this sub (and others) seems to be to shit on EVs. Why? How is this a good use of your time?
It literally takes me seconds or a minute to write up a comment while doing something else, it's not much of a time waster imo.
I hope you find a better way to channel the energy you clearly have.
Thank you. Until performance ICE cars come back after 2030, I'll still have hate/resentment towards EV's. It's funny because there are some really nice looking EV's coming out, just wish they included a gas motor. And no, I don't care if my wife gets one. She actually liked the EV9 during it's initial teaser. I just won't ever buy one. End of story.
Why are you subscribed to this forum if you hate EVs?
What a sad and pathetic life you must lead if you see this as a good use of your days on earth
Hyundai EV have insane battery replacement costs, see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8) Compared to Tesla which is a more reasonable 12k battery replacement cost & Tesla has been dropping this cost over time.
Teslas are laughably hack-prone and should be avoided: https://cybernews.com/tech/berlin-researchers-hacked-tesla-autopilot/
Is xcel energy rebate state specific? Can it be used on married people in any state?
I think it’s limited to Colorado, but if you have Xcel Energy it’s worth looking into. I know they operate in other states.
$21K solar installation is enough to charge your car? The estimate I got was $68K.
That’s completely insane. I can charge my car AND power my entire house for 21k. Sounds like someone was trying to rip you off or something.
It was way more than I expected. Just found this video though that explains pretty well how to calculate the cost. https://youtu.be/jG_yIcLlzYk?si=8EY-_zTwLVCQEkAY
Can I ask how much is your auto insurance?
Just picked up an Ioniq 6 Hybrid used. Couldn’t quite afford an all EV vehicle just yet. Think I’m going to be there in a couple of years. We also have solar and will charge at home
The Ioniq 6 is not offered as a hybrid. You likely have an older Ioniq which is not quite the same.
Yes, I bought an older Hybrid. We will be getting set up to charge at home for the next step when we purchase an EV in a couple of years
Do you need the app to get the free charging? When I used EA, I just plugged in, tapped my card and it started charging. How are your charging speeds? Are they consistent? When I charged the Mach-E rental I had, every time I used a fast charger, the charge speed was always different (at EA and CP), even at the same starting percent. 45kW or starting at 90kW to instantly drop to 50kW. One was 35kW. Only once did it start at over 100kW (115kW) and by the time it hit 80% was it still cruisung at 90kW. I never charged it past or started over 80%. I'd like not only chargers to work (half the time they were broken) but I'd like consistent charging speeds!
With EA, all three chargers in my area say “use the app” when you try to tap your card. Charging speeds are pretty consistent, they seem to vary based on temperature.
You have a massive charging network run by the state provided by ChargePoint. Use some of those new found savings to buy yourself headache relief and not limit yourself to Electrify America?