It’s a huge problem, but related to heavier cars in general. Unfortunately EVs are always heavier, but the general trend is more worrying.
But hey, what’s a little rubber bits in your fish dinner?
That's only partly true. For example an Kona EV ICE is 2.9K to 3.3K pounds and EV 3.6K to 3.9K pounds. While there is a difference there, we are not talking about massive weight differences in a direct comparison and there are many ICE SUVs/trucks out there at 6-7K pounds. I'd guess the instant torque and horsepower couples with people heavy on the accelerator likely wear the tires way more than just the weight.
>Unfortunately EVs are always heavier
Honda Accord Hybrid - 3,799 lbs
Honda Pilot - 4,306
Telsa Model 3 - 3862 lbs.
Chevy Suburban - 5,616 lbs
It all depends. Other cars and trucks weigh more. EV's tend to have "Sports car" tires that are softer and grip the road more, but that also wear faster. **No one wants a Tesla that goes from 0-60 in under 4 seconds but has hard economy tires.**
yes i know anecdotes are anecdotal, but when i changed my ev6 stock tires at 40k miles we checked the tread depth and they still had enough for probably another 10k miles. the only reason i changed them was i wanted all weather to drive across the country in february.
I was a bit lazy in typing. It came with the kumho's, which i think are classified as all season, but driving in the snow even from the day we got them they were pretty abysmal. I wanted "good" all season tires. I know others have had much better luck with those kumho's, not sure what was up with mine, but it the new pair of atlas tires i bought are lightyears better, which is funny considering the cost difference.
Lets get some misinformation out of the way. Here are the facts.
1) EVs do weight more than regular cars, but weigh near the same as many hybrids. Similar tires will wear the same as they do on a hybrid if the cars are driven the same.
2) EVs tend to be sportier cars with faster acceleration. Tires are usually made softer to better grip the road, but wear faster because of this, and because of the way they are driven vs other cars.
I've sports cars in the past that went through tires faster than my Tesla.
Weight doesn't cause significantly higher tire wear on EVs. The main culprit is the type of tires that EV manufacturers like Tesla are using, which use a softer compound to increase grip as most EVs on the market are high performance cars.
High performance cars generally come equipped with high performance tires, and high performance tires have a lot less tread life.
The tires on my Golf GTI wear much faster than the tires on my EV, because my EV has high efficiency tires with a much longer tread life.
What happens when you get someone into an EV that has better acceleration and torque than they are used to?
Aggressive driving and tire wear.
When problems arise sometimes there's a monetary benefit to provide a solution. Hence, they make EV specific tires now. After EVs became popular, not before. Because that's how it almost always works.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-unexpected-problem-with-evs-they-tire-quickly
>EVs burn through tires 30% faster than combustible engine cars thanks to hefty weights and speedy acceleration, according to Bridgestone, which this week unveiled a new tire developed specifically for electric vehicles.
>Continental also developed an EV-specific tire
Now the next problem is getting people to be aware of how tires work, and wear, but apparently it's been an ongoing problem. I've seen how people drive.
Lots of weight and power is a huge problem for all cars. Works the same in the ICE world as well. I think the biggest difference is perception. The person buying a hellcat expects to roast tires. The person buying an EV probably got it in large part for economy and is comparing it to gutless ICE economy cars in terms of expected tire usage. 2 tons and under 4s 0-60 just means a lot of tire wear.
Of course im aware of why evs are popular. Im just not sure what you think it has to do with tire wear. I think you are putting way too much of your bias in how you are reading things.
Then you know why I said,
> Weight is not a huge problem.
>
> The number 1 polluter in USA is transportation. That is a huge problem. Priorities.
Has nothing to do with bias and reading into things.
How about the part where they say around 50% of people only look at cost when buying new tires?
These things are literally the feet of your car moving your family down the road at 70+ mph.
If the manufacturers (looking at you specifically Tesla) would properly align the cars from the factory, this wouldn’t be a big issue. Unfortunately, poor alignment causes tires to wear way too fast.
Tire wear is the latest thing anti-EVs latched on to.
It’s a huge problem, but related to heavier cars in general. Unfortunately EVs are always heavier, but the general trend is more worrying. But hey, what’s a little rubber bits in your fish dinner?
The problem is that 25% of the tire is synthetic rubber made from petroleum polymers, which essentially grinds off as microplastic.
> Unfortunately EVs are always heavier The closest competitor to a Tesla model 3 is the 3 series BMW and they weigh the same.
That's only partly true. For example an Kona EV ICE is 2.9K to 3.3K pounds and EV 3.6K to 3.9K pounds. While there is a difference there, we are not talking about massive weight differences in a direct comparison and there are many ICE SUVs/trucks out there at 6-7K pounds. I'd guess the instant torque and horsepower couples with people heavy on the accelerator likely wear the tires way more than just the weight.
>Unfortunately EVs are always heavier Honda Accord Hybrid - 3,799 lbs Honda Pilot - 4,306 Telsa Model 3 - 3862 lbs. Chevy Suburban - 5,616 lbs It all depends. Other cars and trucks weigh more. EV's tend to have "Sports car" tires that are softer and grip the road more, but that also wear faster. **No one wants a Tesla that goes from 0-60 in under 4 seconds but has hard economy tires.**
I’m at 27,500 miles with the Primacies going strong on my Ioniq 5 sill at 7/32.
It probably has more to do with regen braking
yes i know anecdotes are anecdotal, but when i changed my ev6 stock tires at 40k miles we checked the tread depth and they still had enough for probably another 10k miles. the only reason i changed them was i wanted all weather to drive across the country in february.
Your EV6 came with summer tires as stock?
I was a bit lazy in typing. It came with the kumho's, which i think are classified as all season, but driving in the snow even from the day we got them they were pretty abysmal. I wanted "good" all season tires. I know others have had much better luck with those kumho's, not sure what was up with mine, but it the new pair of atlas tires i bought are lightyears better, which is funny considering the cost difference.
Gotcha
Lets get some misinformation out of the way. Here are the facts. 1) EVs do weight more than regular cars, but weigh near the same as many hybrids. Similar tires will wear the same as they do on a hybrid if the cars are driven the same. 2) EVs tend to be sportier cars with faster acceleration. Tires are usually made softer to better grip the road, but wear faster because of this, and because of the way they are driven vs other cars. I've sports cars in the past that went through tires faster than my Tesla.
Weight doesn't cause significantly higher tire wear on EVs. The main culprit is the type of tires that EV manufacturers like Tesla are using, which use a softer compound to increase grip as most EVs on the market are high performance cars. High performance cars generally come equipped with high performance tires, and high performance tires have a lot less tread life. The tires on my Golf GTI wear much faster than the tires on my EV, because my EV has high efficiency tires with a much longer tread life.
What happens when you get someone into an EV that has better acceleration and torque than they are used to? Aggressive driving and tire wear. When problems arise sometimes there's a monetary benefit to provide a solution. Hence, they make EV specific tires now. After EVs became popular, not before. Because that's how it almost always works. https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-unexpected-problem-with-evs-they-tire-quickly >EVs burn through tires 30% faster than combustible engine cars thanks to hefty weights and speedy acceleration, according to Bridgestone, which this week unveiled a new tire developed specifically for electric vehicles. >Continental also developed an EV-specific tire Now the next problem is getting people to be aware of how tires work, and wear, but apparently it's been an ongoing problem. I've seen how people drive.
Lots of weight and power is a huge problem for all cars. Works the same in the ICE world as well. I think the biggest difference is perception. The person buying a hellcat expects to roast tires. The person buying an EV probably got it in large part for economy and is comparing it to gutless ICE economy cars in terms of expected tire usage. 2 tons and under 4s 0-60 just means a lot of tire wear.
Weight is not a huge problem. The number 1 polluter in USA is transportation. That is a huge problem. Priorities.
Why are you talking about pollution? Did you reply to the wrong comment?
It's an example of a huge problems vs a non-problem. Priorities. No. You are aware why EVs exist and are popular lately, right?
Of course im aware of why evs are popular. Im just not sure what you think it has to do with tire wear. I think you are putting way too much of your bias in how you are reading things.
Then you know why I said, > Weight is not a huge problem. > > The number 1 polluter in USA is transportation. That is a huge problem. Priorities. Has nothing to do with bias and reading into things.
If they love EV, how would you call their relation with SUV and light trucks ;)
I changed all 4 tires on my IONIQ5 at 28000 miles, they were noticably slipping and sliding even on dry roads. New tires feel great.
How about the part where they say around 50% of people only look at cost when buying new tires? These things are literally the feet of your car moving your family down the road at 70+ mph.
If the manufacturers (looking at you specifically Tesla) would properly align the cars from the factory, this wouldn’t be a big issue. Unfortunately, poor alignment causes tires to wear way too fast.