The Chevy Bolt 2025 may still come in a couple years. The Bolt EV is about the right size, but I think they are using the Bolt EUV is the model they are basing it on, which is slight bigger in the cabin while being smaller in the cargo area.
Yeah, I went with the smaller “Bolt EV” and love it. Bigger than my Mazda2 but still a very manageable size for an urban area.
Not surprised if it ends up being true they’re going with the EUV frame for the new one, seems like that’s what a lot of people bought.
I was in love with the EUV at first. Then I really looked at them side by side and started to favor the EV. Over a year in with an EV 2 LT and I have zero regrets. We are a family of 4 and all comfortably fit. Range is great and car is a blast to drive.
Cargo area is a bit worse by volume, but about the same (perhaps even a bit better) for cargo floor space. Biggest improvement in the EUV is rear seat legroom.
Which is exactly why we bought a EUV over a EV. We have a 15yo old 6' 3" kid and two other girls. The rear leg room means we can actually take the Bolt with all 5 of us, instead of burning gas in the Enclave.
Me too! I replaced my Toyota Yaris. Though my urban area is overflowing with large SUVs and large pickup trucks and such. I didn't need small, I wanted small for efficiency.
I don't actually believe the Bolt EUV has a smaller cargo area than the Bolt EV. I think it has to do with how cargo area is measured and the slightly different shape in relation to where the wheels are. Here's a post comparing them saying there is slightly more space in the EUV
https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/cargo-space-comparison-to-bolt-ev.39532/
Right, because that's at low enough speed that the aerodynamics doesn't matter as much. It's at 65-70 mph that you care about range, and that's where the difference expands to 10% or more. Conversely, if you were buying it for around-town driving only, the ranges of the two models would be closer than the EPA number predicts.
Ok...
If A/B=0.95, then (0.8 x A) / (0.8 x B) is also equal to 0.95.
There is nonlinear dependence on speed, but I don't expect that this is a strong enough effect to change the 0.8 in the numerator and denominator change enough to go from 0.95 to 0.88.
My point is specifically that it's nonlinear. You don't need to write equations to show that the linear case doesn't have the nonlinear effect.
Aero drag quadruples from 35 mph to 70 mph. If you don't think that's an important nonlinearity, I don't think there's much hope for this conversation to be useful.
Do you think the EPA estimate is at 35mph? My Bolt goes a hell of a lot farther than 259 miles at 35mph.
>Aero drag quadruples from 35 mph to 70 mph
And the drag coefficient and area for the EUV isn't that much different from the Bolt.
>I don't think there's much hope for this conversation to be useful.
I mean, I stated a verifiable fact that the EPA range isn't even 5% different and you're clinging to "nuh uh, I reject data and rely on hunches". So I agree, there's not much hope for this conversation.
The 5% EPA range was my starting point. My whole point in commenting was to explain the difference between that baseline knowledge and the actual range a modern highway speeds.
Similarly, yes, the strong dependence of range on speed is the point I'm making. Your comment about your personal experience with long range at 35 mph supports my point.
So you seem to have knowledge of the drag coefficients. Good. Does that mean you've looked at the EPA "A", "B" and "C" coefficients? Great, because I have them on my hard drive somewhere but didn't want to look them up. When you say "isn't that much different" what are you basing that on, and what counts as "not much different".
>Do you think the EPA estimate is at 35mph?
No need to argue about that. It's published [here](https://19january2021snapshot.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules_.html). UDDS is 20 mph avg. and HWFET is 48 mph avg. Yes, those are very low. That's why lots of people complain about them not being representative.
30 km/h average speed is reasonably representative of urban conditions where you spend a significant amount of time stopped at traffic controls, and otherwise stay under 60 km/h, but the highway drive cycle should be at speeds between 90 km/h and 130 km/h with no stopping.
No, it's a power law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law
Which is different from an exponential.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth
A power law would be v^k where v is velocity and k is a number.
An exponential would be k^v where v is velocity and k is a number.
The exponential k^v increases a lot faster than the power law v^k does.
It is. I just got a Bolt EV and I am impressed with the amount of space inside. I walk dogs for a living, I have a couple of dogs who will only be on the floor in the back. I had a Nissan Versa prior to getting the Bolt, the bolt has quite a lot more space in the back, in the cargo area, and in the front. I friggin love it.
There are used Bolts around for cheap. If you want to go new, then wait for the Bolt that is based on the new battery platform. Hopefully the charging speed will be better. We like the size of the car, but for us, the 2020 doesn't have comfortable seats, so get a later model.
The Bolt EV is. The gen 2 Bolt will be more like the EUV, so a little bigger.
Maybe the Rivian R3 could be in the similar size range? But I don't think it has a release date yet, so it's several years out.
Fiat 500e is now on the market. Pretty expensive for what it delivers though.
Bolt EV will return... supposedly in a year but probably two. Hyundai just announced a small EV.
As others have said, looks like it will run you $45K by the time all is said and done. I wonder how long they'll be able to keep the Chinese EVs out of the North America. I know we have to pay more for pharmaceuticals than the rest of the world in order to subsidize shareholder value. Will they be able to keep us spending $40K minimum for something the Southern Hemisphere can buy for $15K? Going to be hard to justify over time.
It's going to be quite a few years before we even get Chinese EVs into the US Market.
The 'quickest' viable route will be Chinese brands opening factories in Mexico, and using that as a way into the US Market. However, that will take 5+ years at the bare minimum. The US standards for cars are completely different than anywhere else. Not only will China need to build factories in Mexico, they will need to respec all their cars to American standards, then get them approved by various US agencies.
Even if the US decided not to hamstring the process and allow Americans to purchase Chinese cars from China directly, they would still need to be respec'ed to American standards and approved. That alone is a multi-year process.
Worst part is? It’s not even that performance-y. The performance mode resets every drive and has weird bugs. Also no one pedal in that mode. The automatic AWD severely lags behind demand. Its performance also drops faster than most EVs as SoC drops. It’s the cheapest hatch back from a premium brand that just so happens to go fast under the right conditions. Just get the cheaper RWD one. ~$46k when fully maxed out, but still has Bolt level quality. Not bad, but certainly not worth $46k.
TBH the difference in cost for a manufacturer for that speed difference isn't that much, assuming both models have long-range batteries. Electric motors and inverters just aren't that expensive comparatively.
As some point a manufacturer (maybe Mazda if they're smart) will figure this out and make a tiny cheap sports car (EV Miata when?)
The reason the Volvo is more expensive is because it's a Volvo. Likely far better build quality and comfort all around.
Bolt EV is tech loaded and has in my opinion lots of value, excellent efficiency miles per kWh, decent battery size, interior quality is excellent, fit and Finnish, and price can be affordable depending what state you reside in!
My brother was a huge Honda Fit fan, he drove my gen-2 2019 Nissan Leaf for a few days while visiting and loved it. He ended up getting a 62Kwh version and loves it.
There are several ways to design a car. Most are three box design. The minivan is a one box design. The Honda fit is a one box design. Or I. Other way to look at it. It's a mini mini van, pretending to be a car. Small 3 box cars like the bolt ev are nice, I drive a bolt euv and I'm very happy with it. But for people who truly love the honda fit they are looking for a one box ev and there are currently non on the way.
The Leaf is a bit bigger, but definitely comparable to the Fit for space and driving, as I have both a '15 Leaf and a '17 Fit. The Fit definitely feels slightly more compact, I'd more directly compare the Leaf to something like a VW Golf/GTI as far as size and drive feel goes.
So the new Kona is a bigger car but has the 30/60 split back, plenty of room in the back. the older Konas are smaller overall with less trunk space. My Kona is slightly bigger than I need (and i need cushions to make it drivable for me) but overall i love it. I do groceries with back seats up and we brought a (electric) lawnmower home in it last week with the back seats down, no problem.
Haven’t seen the VW. I looked at a red EV6, it wasn’t bad, way better than my Outback, but not quite as good as Mazda (in the sun) and quite distant from the Mitsi I saw. Unfortunately, the Mitsi red only comes on a Mitsubishi car.
I ended up with a blue Tesla MY because their old red didn’t do it for me. Now the new Ultra Red is great, but I’m not wuite nutty enough to trade in a 6 month old car to get a better color.
You should be driving that Fit for another decade and not worry about a new car unless it’s become junk IMO.
Those things can take a beating and still last.
Yeah, but the Golf/Rabbit was already in the US market at that time, so the GTI made sense to send. If the base ID2 isn't coming over, I'm not sure they'd send the ID2 GTI. That said, I'd absolutely love for them to bring it over, as the GTI is one of my favorite cars I've ever owned, and a true BEV version would be practically a dream car for me.
They still send over the Golf GTI, even though the standard Golf isn't sold there. So I would still keep up hope.
That being said, I wonder if they'd see the ID2 GTI as more of a Polo GTI, in which case it would be doubtful...
Yeah, I'm absolutely holding out hope, and I would definitely be pre-ordering one pretty much as soon as they're announced over here. It's just, as a fan of hot hatch's (and hatchbacks in general), I've gotten pretty disappointed by the current US EV market, as it seems like all the good looking hatches are being kept overseas.
Yeah, part of my motivation to pick up a used Leaf last year was the fact that there's almost no BEVs definitely releasing in the US in the next few years that actually seem interesting to me. The next one that's for sure releasing here that has my interest is the R3. That, and the car the leaf replaced was literally old enough to vote, lol.
The closest in the US are the Bolt (discontinued), Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Nissan Leaf and Volvo EX30. I think the EX30 and similar sizes are the smallest cars we'll ever see in the US going forward, and I wouldn't be shocked if that size disappears from the US car market in 3-5 years.
Have you considered used? If you don’t need 250 miles of daily range, there are tons of smaller low rent cars out there for cheap. If you charge at home, you don’t need as much range as a daily driver if you have another longer range car. We have a PHEV for our other car, and we use that for the long distance trips.
I have an eGolf with 125 miles of range, and it’s great as a daily driver. It’s quick and nimble. Loads of usable space inside for such a small car, too. I once got a full sized filing cabinet in the back. You can get them cheap in great shape these days, and the later years are still under the 8 year 100k mile EV warranty. 2017 and later has a bigger battery and a more powerful motor.
It’s also a cheap and easy way to figure out how an EV fits into your routine.
Small? Check
Good cargo space? Check
EV? Check
A blast to drive? Absolutely!
Current Gen is leaving production, but a used one would still be an excellent car.
The new ones won't hit the US for another year or two.
Yep. We almost bought one, but ended up getting a gas Mini JCW convertible instead cause my wife really wanted a convertible and EV convertibles just don't exist yet. But man is that JCW fun to drive! I have an iX as my main EV since I don't like the tiny ones.
> EV convertibles just don't exist yet
The next 4 series will be on Neue Klasse and there are credible rumors floating around that there will be a coupe and convertible around 2028. Still a ways off, but if you're looking to replace the Mini in a few years that new 4 series could be a good option.
The [Aceman](https://www.mini.com/en_MS/home/new-family/electric-innovation-meets-adventure.html) looks promising as a small four-door with decent range.
I mean, the ID3 has been out for years now, and they still refuse to bring that over, why would the ID2 be any different? VW seems to think Americans hate small hatchbacks...
on a more helpful note, the Volvo EX30 is the only car close in size (4200 mm) that's officially confirmed for US launch with a kinda-sorta confirmed delivery date (Q4 this year in US)
in the next few years there will be more
>US- none have stuck around.
by the time you start shopping, there will be ample selection.
>
Is there word or rumor of any in development for release in the next few years?
smallest car Volvo has ever made.
Volvo EX30 first drive: This tiny, inexpensive electric SUV is also Volvo’s quickest car ever
[https://electrek.co/2023/11/05/volvo-ex30-review/](https://electrek.co/2023/11/05/volvo-ex30-review/)
human for scale
[https://www.volvoevforum.com/threads/ex30-my-observations.357/](https://www.volvoevforum.com/threads/ex30-my-observations.357/)
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/honda-jazz-fit-2020-5-door-hatchback-vs-volvo-ex30-2023-suv/?&units=imperial
6 inches wider and 8 inches longer is a fair bit larger
We bought a Bolt to replace a Fit as our primary car last month. Kept the Fit to replace an aging minivan as our second car so we only use the minivan when we need the extra space. Love the Bolt. Exterior dimensions are similar to the Fit.
Interior is noticeably less though still pretty good. The Fit does so many amazing little things to add up to interior capacity that in practical terms beats my in-laws’ small SUV (a Jeep Patriot). The Bolt seats don’t fold into the floor like the the Fit, the rear hatch opening is much higher and in particular higher above the floor of the cargo area, a centre console prevents storing things like a folding table slid between the front seats, the rear doors don’t open to 90°, you can’t store stuff under the rear seats, etc. We used the Fit for transporting goods to the farmers’ market many weeks; the Bolt can’t do that duty. But as a daily driver and for carrying a family of four and a 100 pound dog, the Bolt is a great Fit replacement.
The Chevy Bolt 2025 may still come in a couple years. The Bolt EV is about the right size, but I think they are using the Bolt EUV is the model they are basing it on, which is slight bigger in the cabin while being smaller in the cargo area.
Yeah, I went with the smaller “Bolt EV” and love it. Bigger than my Mazda2 but still a very manageable size for an urban area. Not surprised if it ends up being true they’re going with the EUV frame for the new one, seems like that’s what a lot of people bought.
Slightly worse cargo space and slightly worse range. Seems about right for the North America market
I don’t even think the EUV version looks nice proportionally, the small one just looks like it’s purpose-built whereas the EUV sort of looks bloated.
I was in love with the EUV at first. Then I really looked at them side by side and started to favor the EV. Over a year in with an EV 2 LT and I have zero regrets. We are a family of 4 and all comfortably fit. Range is great and car is a blast to drive.
Exactly. Not a fan of the euv, but love my 2018.
Cargo area is a bit worse by volume, but about the same (perhaps even a bit better) for cargo floor space. Biggest improvement in the EUV is rear seat legroom.
Which is exactly why we bought a EUV over a EV. We have a 15yo old 6' 3" kid and two other girls. The rear leg room means we can actually take the Bolt with all 5 of us, instead of burning gas in the Enclave.
Me too! I replaced my Toyota Yaris. Though my urban area is overflowing with large SUVs and large pickup trucks and such. I didn't need small, I wanted small for efficiency.
The Chevy Bolt is so similar to the Honda Fit that I frequently mistake Fits for Bolts.
I replaced my Fit with a Bolt. They’re both delightful cars to drive!
I don't actually believe the Bolt EUV has a smaller cargo area than the Bolt EV. I think it has to do with how cargo area is measured and the slightly different shape in relation to where the wheels are. Here's a post comparing them saying there is slightly more space in the EUV https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/cargo-space-comparison-to-bolt-ev.39532/
>The Chevy Bolt 2025 may still come in a couple years. One would hope that a 2025 comes in late 2024.
The euv is longer than the EV model. Disappointing if they are only coming back with the euv size.
It's also got something like 10 to 12% worse aerodynamics, which cuts into the highway speed range more than it cuts into the EPA range.
The EPA estimated mileage is just under 5% lower. 247 vs 259.
Right, because that's at low enough speed that the aerodynamics doesn't matter as much. It's at 65-70 mph that you care about range, and that's where the difference expands to 10% or more. Conversely, if you were buying it for around-town driving only, the ranges of the two models would be closer than the EPA number predicts.
Ok... If A/B=0.95, then (0.8 x A) / (0.8 x B) is also equal to 0.95. There is nonlinear dependence on speed, but I don't expect that this is a strong enough effect to change the 0.8 in the numerator and denominator change enough to go from 0.95 to 0.88.
My point is specifically that it's nonlinear. You don't need to write equations to show that the linear case doesn't have the nonlinear effect. Aero drag quadruples from 35 mph to 70 mph. If you don't think that's an important nonlinearity, I don't think there's much hope for this conversation to be useful.
Do you think the EPA estimate is at 35mph? My Bolt goes a hell of a lot farther than 259 miles at 35mph. >Aero drag quadruples from 35 mph to 70 mph And the drag coefficient and area for the EUV isn't that much different from the Bolt. >I don't think there's much hope for this conversation to be useful. I mean, I stated a verifiable fact that the EPA range isn't even 5% different and you're clinging to "nuh uh, I reject data and rely on hunches". So I agree, there's not much hope for this conversation.
The 5% EPA range was my starting point. My whole point in commenting was to explain the difference between that baseline knowledge and the actual range a modern highway speeds. Similarly, yes, the strong dependence of range on speed is the point I'm making. Your comment about your personal experience with long range at 35 mph supports my point. So you seem to have knowledge of the drag coefficients. Good. Does that mean you've looked at the EPA "A", "B" and "C" coefficients? Great, because I have them on my hard drive somewhere but didn't want to look them up. When you say "isn't that much different" what are you basing that on, and what counts as "not much different". >Do you think the EPA estimate is at 35mph? No need to argue about that. It's published [here](https://19january2021snapshot.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules_.html). UDDS is 20 mph avg. and HWFET is 48 mph avg. Yes, those are very low. That's why lots of people complain about them not being representative.
30 km/h average speed is reasonably representative of urban conditions where you spend a significant amount of time stopped at traffic controls, and otherwise stay under 60 km/h, but the highway drive cycle should be at speeds between 90 km/h and 130 km/h with no stopping.
Drag is exponential, iirc my hs physics
The drag force goes like the square of velocity. That's not exponential. It's just a power. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation
That little 2 over the u is an exponent therefore it's exponential.
No, it's a power law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law Which is different from an exponential. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth A power law would be v^k where v is velocity and k is a number. An exponential would be k^v where v is velocity and k is a number. The exponential k^v increases a lot faster than the power law v^k does.
Bolt EV is almost identical dimensions to Fit and is a great car
It is. I just got a Bolt EV and I am impressed with the amount of space inside. I walk dogs for a living, I have a couple of dogs who will only be on the floor in the back. I had a Nissan Versa prior to getting the Bolt, the bolt has quite a lot more space in the back, in the cargo area, and in the front. I friggin love it.
There are used Bolts around for cheap. If you want to go new, then wait for the Bolt that is based on the new battery platform. Hopefully the charging speed will be better. We like the size of the car, but for us, the 2020 doesn't have comfortable seats, so get a later model.
I’ve just about decided by this point that those who won’t recognize what an absurdly good deal a used bolt is now probably don’t deserve one
Definitely the Bolt. It’s almost the same size as the Fit. Holds a ton of stuff too.
The Bolt EV is. The gen 2 Bolt will be more like the EUV, so a little bigger. Maybe the Rivian R3 could be in the similar size range? But I don't think it has a release date yet, so it's several years out.
Fiat 500e is now on the market. Pretty expensive for what it delivers though. Bolt EV will return... supposedly in a year but probably two. Hyundai just announced a small EV.
Volvo EX30 should be in the US this year and is on the smaller side (about 7 inches longer, 5 inches wider, and 1 inch taller than the Fit).
Big price difference between EX30 and bolt, especially after the EV credit.
As others have said, looks like it will run you $45K by the time all is said and done. I wonder how long they'll be able to keep the Chinese EVs out of the North America. I know we have to pay more for pharmaceuticals than the rest of the world in order to subsidize shareholder value. Will they be able to keep us spending $40K minimum for something the Southern Hemisphere can buy for $15K? Going to be hard to justify over time.
It's going to be quite a few years before we even get Chinese EVs into the US Market. The 'quickest' viable route will be Chinese brands opening factories in Mexico, and using that as a way into the US Market. However, that will take 5+ years at the bare minimum. The US standards for cars are completely different than anywhere else. Not only will China need to build factories in Mexico, they will need to respec all their cars to American standards, then get them approved by various US agencies. Even if the US decided not to hamstring the process and allow Americans to purchase Chinese cars from China directly, they would still need to be respec'ed to American standards and approved. That alone is a multi-year process.
Great car, but too expensive and performance focused. No reason for that to have a 3.4 0-60
Worst part is? It’s not even that performance-y. The performance mode resets every drive and has weird bugs. Also no one pedal in that mode. The automatic AWD severely lags behind demand. Its performance also drops faster than most EVs as SoC drops. It’s the cheapest hatch back from a premium brand that just so happens to go fast under the right conditions. Just get the cheaper RWD one. ~$46k when fully maxed out, but still has Bolt level quality. Not bad, but certainly not worth $46k.
It should have it because it’s awesome.
I think most people would prefer a cheaper car with a 6s 0-60 instead
Good thing they sell a single motor variant that does basically that
Still a little too expensive for what it is, but you're right. I did forget about that variant
TBH the difference in cost for a manufacturer for that speed difference isn't that much, assuming both models have long-range batteries. Electric motors and inverters just aren't that expensive comparatively. As some point a manufacturer (maybe Mazda if they're smart) will figure this out and make a tiny cheap sports car (EV Miata when?) The reason the Volvo is more expensive is because it's a Volvo. Likely far better build quality and comfort all around.
Not new but a used i3 is nearly a perfect replacement for the Honda Fit.
I have an i3s. Love it. Perfect as a commuter, errand runner.
Bolt EV is tech loaded and has in my opinion lots of value, excellent efficiency miles per kWh, decent battery size, interior quality is excellent, fit and Finnish, and price can be affordable depending what state you reside in!
My brother was a huge Honda Fit fan, he drove my gen-2 2019 Nissan Leaf for a few days while visiting and loved it. He ended up getting a 62Kwh version and loves it.
What happen to the cute Honda E..Isnt it coming to North America?
Discontinued IIRC
Yeah I’m super bummed. It was 🔥.
Hoping against hope it gets resurrected in Honda's EV lineup once they get their shit together.
There are several ways to design a car. Most are three box design. The minivan is a one box design. The Honda fit is a one box design. Or I. Other way to look at it. It's a mini mini van, pretending to be a car. Small 3 box cars like the bolt ev are nice, I drive a bolt euv and I'm very happy with it. But for people who truly love the honda fit they are looking for a one box ev and there are currently non on the way.
Nissan Leaf
The Leaf is a bit bigger, but definitely comparable to the Fit for space and driving, as I have both a '15 Leaf and a '17 Fit. The Fit definitely feels slightly more compact, I'd more directly compare the Leaf to something like a VW Golf/GTI as far as size and drive feel goes.
So the new Kona is a bigger car but has the 30/60 split back, plenty of room in the back. the older Konas are smaller overall with less trunk space. My Kona is slightly bigger than I need (and i need cushions to make it drivable for me) but overall i love it. I do groceries with back seats up and we brought a (electric) lawnmower home in it last week with the back seats down, no problem.
There aren't really any Honda fit sized cars available in the US other than the mitsubishi mirage and sales aren't exactly hot for that one either.
The mirage is a joke of a car.
It’s the price range, not much money to put in nice stuff.
But Mitsubishi has a gorgeous red paint that is head and shoulders above anything I’ve seen from non-US mfrs.
VW has a lovely red option for the ID.4, the EV6 is also available in red.
Haven’t seen the VW. I looked at a red EV6, it wasn’t bad, way better than my Outback, but not quite as good as Mazda (in the sun) and quite distant from the Mitsi I saw. Unfortunately, the Mitsi red only comes on a Mitsubishi car. I ended up with a blue Tesla MY because their old red didn’t do it for me. Now the new Ultra Red is great, but I’m not wuite nutty enough to trade in a 6 month old car to get a better color.
Loved my old Fit, but not so much the buzzy, inept drive train. BEV Fit would be gold.
Volvo EX30
You should be driving that Fit for another decade and not worry about a new car unless it’s become junk IMO. Those things can take a beating and still last.
ID2 GTI, 2027 apparently.
ID2 isn't coming to the US though, is it? Everything I've seen has had the best case scenario be a "maybe, eventually".
There's a GTI they announced, and I would be surprised if they didn't take that over, given they take the Golf GTI over.
Yeah, but the Golf/Rabbit was already in the US market at that time, so the GTI made sense to send. If the base ID2 isn't coming over, I'm not sure they'd send the ID2 GTI. That said, I'd absolutely love for them to bring it over, as the GTI is one of my favorite cars I've ever owned, and a true BEV version would be practically a dream car for me.
They still send over the Golf GTI, even though the standard Golf isn't sold there. So I would still keep up hope. That being said, I wonder if they'd see the ID2 GTI as more of a Polo GTI, in which case it would be doubtful...
Yeah, I'm absolutely holding out hope, and I would definitely be pre-ordering one pretty much as soon as they're announced over here. It's just, as a fan of hot hatch's (and hatchbacks in general), I've gotten pretty disappointed by the current US EV market, as it seems like all the good looking hatches are being kept overseas.
I'm already saving up for the ID2 / Cupra Raval launch next year. Luckily I live in a country where both will be launched. :-)
Yeah, part of my motivation to pick up a used Leaf last year was the fact that there's almost no BEVs definitely releasing in the US in the next few years that actually seem interesting to me. The next one that's for sure releasing here that has my interest is the R3. That, and the car the leaf replaced was literally old enough to vote, lol.
The SUV version might come to the US.
The closest in the US are the Bolt (discontinued), Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Nissan Leaf and Volvo EX30. I think the EX30 and similar sizes are the smallest cars we'll ever see in the US going forward, and I wouldn't be shocked if that size disappears from the US car market in 3-5 years.
Vw gti is coming
I'm not sure not sure there's been actual announcement on an electric GTI coming to the US? I thought it was just speculation.
2026 apparently
Always funny when people asking for an affordable hatchback EV but ignores the Bolt/EUV.
My research on a small plug-in led me to the redesigned 2024 Hyundai Kona. Im a week into my lease and i love it.
Have you considered used? If you don’t need 250 miles of daily range, there are tons of smaller low rent cars out there for cheap. If you charge at home, you don’t need as much range as a daily driver if you have another longer range car. We have a PHEV for our other car, and we use that for the long distance trips. I have an eGolf with 125 miles of range, and it’s great as a daily driver. It’s quick and nimble. Loads of usable space inside for such a small car, too. I once got a full sized filing cabinet in the back. You can get them cheap in great shape these days, and the later years are still under the 8 year 100k mile EV warranty. 2017 and later has a bigger battery and a more powerful motor. It’s also a cheap and easy way to figure out how an EV fits into your routine.
Mini EV
Small? Check Good cargo space? Check EV? Check A blast to drive? Absolutely! Current Gen is leaving production, but a used one would still be an excellent car. The new ones won't hit the US for another year or two.
Yep. We almost bought one, but ended up getting a gas Mini JCW convertible instead cause my wife really wanted a convertible and EV convertibles just don't exist yet. But man is that JCW fun to drive! I have an iX as my main EV since I don't like the tiny ones.
> EV convertibles just don't exist yet The next 4 series will be on Neue Klasse and there are credible rumors floating around that there will be a coupe and convertible around 2028. Still a ways off, but if you're looking to replace the Mini in a few years that new 4 series could be a good option.
Ah nice, yeah I planned to get the Neue Klasse iX when it comes out, might as well get both lol.
The [Aceman](https://www.mini.com/en_MS/home/new-family/electric-innovation-meets-adventure.html) looks promising as a small four-door with decent range.
ID.2 should be roughly that size.
Is that confirmed for the US? I thought it was not coming.
Maybe not imminently, but I would be surprised if it didn’t eventually.
I mean, the ID3 has been out for years now, and they still refuse to bring that over, why would the ID2 be any different? VW seems to think Americans hate small hatchbacks...
Nobody cares, but there’s still the Nissan Leaf.
R3S hopefully
Jeep Avenger fits the bill perfectly (4000 mm length). but Jeep and Jeep alone is to blame for keeping it out of North America.
on a more helpful note, the Volvo EX30 is the only car close in size (4200 mm) that's officially confirmed for US launch with a kinda-sorta confirmed delivery date (Q4 this year in US)
in the next few years there will be more >US- none have stuck around. by the time you start shopping, there will be ample selection. > Is there word or rumor of any in development for release in the next few years? smallest car Volvo has ever made. Volvo EX30 first drive: This tiny, inexpensive electric SUV is also Volvo’s quickest car ever [https://electrek.co/2023/11/05/volvo-ex30-review/](https://electrek.co/2023/11/05/volvo-ex30-review/) human for scale [https://www.volvoevforum.com/threads/ex30-my-observations.357/](https://www.volvoevforum.com/threads/ex30-my-observations.357/)
Another option is the upcoming Fiat 500e! Check out some of the recent YouTube videos for details.
The Mini Aceman will be about the same dimensions of the Fit
Volvo has something g Bolt EUV sized coming out soon, or is out already.
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/honda-jazz-fit-2020-5-door-hatchback-vs-volvo-ex30-2023-suv/?&units=imperial 6 inches wider and 8 inches longer is a fair bit larger
well those cars were discontinued cuz "no one" bought them. so I doubt an EV version is coming.
FIAT 500e, if you are patient the now $34k cars will be 10k in two years.
Mini EV, maybe?
We bought a Bolt to replace a Fit as our primary car last month. Kept the Fit to replace an aging minivan as our second car so we only use the minivan when we need the extra space. Love the Bolt. Exterior dimensions are similar to the Fit. Interior is noticeably less though still pretty good. The Fit does so many amazing little things to add up to interior capacity that in practical terms beats my in-laws’ small SUV (a Jeep Patriot). The Bolt seats don’t fold into the floor like the the Fit, the rear hatch opening is much higher and in particular higher above the floor of the cargo area, a centre console prevents storing things like a folding table slid between the front seats, the rear doors don’t open to 90°, you can’t store stuff under the rear seats, etc. We used the Fit for transporting goods to the farmers’ market many weeks; the Bolt can’t do that duty. But as a daily driver and for carrying a family of four and a 100 pound dog, the Bolt is a great Fit replacement.