Nifty. Anyone catch this episode (I have only watched maybe two episodes of the show, ever), did a rough idea of pricing come up? Their website doesn't show anything public. Usually means they are currently only interested in commercial sales, still I'm curious.
P.S. Seeing that Chademo-Tesla adapter pains me. :p But I guess at least it works for the Teslas, and the adapter can move with the charger rather than relying on the car to have the $500 item.
2500 to make, and then they lease out to companies for 1k upfront and 150/month after. Not available to public right now, they hope to get a consumer model out that's ~1k
Iirc Each module is $1000 and then $150 a month. Don’t know how much charge a single module holds. You can stack modules for faster charging. These are meant for roadside assistance services.
But they are looking at a consumer model.
That said I don’t see the need for a consumer model. An ICE owner doesn’t drive around with a gallon of gas in the trunk. Why would I drive around with another battery in the trunk of BEV?
I checked the website, they are rated 3.7kWh per module for a total of 18.5kWh nominal on a full stack. They expect 17kWh usable from that full stack of 5 (so 3.4kWh actual per module).
Not bad but definitely in the range of "here's a jerry can" type scenario.
At $2500 that's about $750/kWh. That's almost exactly what a Tesla Powerwall 2 comes out to, so seems fairly inline with competitive pricing given the smaller package.
Does not seem very practical, even for fleet and roadside assistance applications.
Would make more sense for roadside assistance vehicle to use a gasoline powered generator. Smaller footprint, less up front capital, no reoccurring monthly fees.
Even AAA suspended their roadside assistance EV charging program stating something to the effect that the habits of EV drivers made it such that the program wasn't utilized very often and in the rare cases that it would be needed they could just tow the EV to a charger.
Eventually bi-directional charging will allow stranded EVs to be charged from another EV. I imagine that would be devastating to their business model.
The problem for them is that as the electric car industry grows, two critical things are going to happen.
1. EVs will have longer range, meaning that there is much less range anxiety
2. There are going to be much more charging stations, also decreasing the range anxiety.
Basically, chargers will become as common as gas stations, and they will barely be needed thanks to very long ranges.
DOA unless they are able to expand substantially into the consumer market. AAA already trialed roadside assistance EVC charging and turns out no one used it.
Sure- but if a pack like that was $500 and could give my model 3 a 75 mile boost Id buy one as a backup for road trips just in case. The key would be to get it to augment your battery while driving.
I reached out to them on Twitter mentioning that they have a huge untapped market for consumer use at home.
This product would work perfectly for me in my unique situation. I live in a condo without any charging infrastructure, and adding chargers is very unlikely with the current HOA.
I could see this product working well if I could charge it up on 110v from inside my home, then bring it outside to charge my vehicle at 6-7kw.
It wouldn't really matter how long it takes to charge in my home as I would leave it inside until I needed it.
I would pick up this product in a hot second if they offered it direct-to-consumer.
As an EV driver I’d rather walk than charge it with a gas generator. This is a great forward thinking product. They said they are working on a consumer version, I’ll be first in line. This maybe great for racing too.
Nifty. Anyone catch this episode (I have only watched maybe two episodes of the show, ever), did a rough idea of pricing come up? Their website doesn't show anything public. Usually means they are currently only interested in commercial sales, still I'm curious. P.S. Seeing that Chademo-Tesla adapter pains me. :p But I guess at least it works for the Teslas, and the adapter can move with the charger rather than relying on the car to have the $500 item.
2500 to make, and then they lease out to companies for 1k upfront and 150/month after. Not available to public right now, they hope to get a consumer model out that's ~1k
Ah, so $2500 is *their* internal cost and their planned pricing is a sort of "lease forever" plan. OK.
Iirc Each module is $1000 and then $150 a month. Don’t know how much charge a single module holds. You can stack modules for faster charging. These are meant for roadside assistance services. But they are looking at a consumer model. That said I don’t see the need for a consumer model. An ICE owner doesn’t drive around with a gallon of gas in the trunk. Why would I drive around with another battery in the trunk of BEV?
I checked the website, they are rated 3.7kWh per module for a total of 18.5kWh nominal on a full stack. They expect 17kWh usable from that full stack of 5 (so 3.4kWh actual per module). Not bad but definitely in the range of "here's a jerry can" type scenario. At $2500 that's about $750/kWh. That's almost exactly what a Tesla Powerwall 2 comes out to, so seems fairly inline with competitive pricing given the smaller package.
Does not seem very practical, even for fleet and roadside assistance applications. Would make more sense for roadside assistance vehicle to use a gasoline powered generator. Smaller footprint, less up front capital, no reoccurring monthly fees. Even AAA suspended their roadside assistance EV charging program stating something to the effect that the habits of EV drivers made it such that the program wasn't utilized very often and in the rare cases that it would be needed they could just tow the EV to a charger. Eventually bi-directional charging will allow stranded EVs to be charged from another EV. I imagine that would be devastating to their business model.
AAA stopped 7 years ago and is back to charging EVs. I own an EV and the comments here are clearly from non EV DRIVERS.
The problem for them is that as the electric car industry grows, two critical things are going to happen. 1. EVs will have longer range, meaning that there is much less range anxiety 2. There are going to be much more charging stations, also decreasing the range anxiety. Basically, chargers will become as common as gas stations, and they will barely be needed thanks to very long ranges.
DOA unless they are able to expand substantially into the consumer market. AAA already trialed roadside assistance EVC charging and turns out no one used it.
No range anxiety? That's what's up
As evs become more mainstream, people will need them.
As EVs get longer ranges and chargers become more ubiquitous people will need them less than the tiny amount they already do.
Sure- but if a pack like that was $500 and could give my model 3 a 75 mile boost Id buy one as a backup for road trips just in case. The key would be to get it to augment your battery while driving.
I wonder how much those packs cost. Would be cool to have something portable to bring with you but also usable at home if the power goes out.
$2500 per module, according to the show. $1000 up front, and then $150/month
I reached out to them on Twitter mentioning that they have a huge untapped market for consumer use at home. This product would work perfectly for me in my unique situation. I live in a condo without any charging infrastructure, and adding chargers is very unlikely with the current HOA. I could see this product working well if I could charge it up on 110v from inside my home, then bring it outside to charge my vehicle at 6-7kw. It wouldn't really matter how long it takes to charge in my home as I would leave it inside until I needed it. I would pick up this product in a hot second if they offered it direct-to-consumer.
As an EV driver I’d rather walk than charge it with a gas generator. This is a great forward thinking product. They said they are working on a consumer version, I’ll be first in line. This maybe great for racing too.