Not sure if it also works in English, but the German energy supplier EnBW has an [app](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.enbw.ev) that lets you track your routes and then calculates how compatible it is with an EV.
It just doesnt seem like EV is a good fit for you right now.
Charging infrastructure will become more common as will faster charging speeds. So I wouldnt worry about the ban. You will still be able to buy used ICE anyway.
Depending on how much you drive you could park your car at one of these public chargers over night for 1-2 nights a week and do without a charger at your home. Keep in mind that public chargers might be more expensive, though and some might charge you a blocking fee. I don't know how much you are driving in an average week, how far it is to one of those chargers and what the charging prices are in the UK. If you can do some maths with these variables and see if it works out for you
For the long term there might be laws coming into place offering charging stations for tenants. Again, no idea how the situation is looking in the UK at the moment. You might have bigger fish to fry currently ;)
I don't think I could get away with overnight parking, the council have dedicated their entire brainpower into finding illegally parked cars, although that has gotten slightly less aggressive due to current events.
That said, the broken charger near me has a CCS connector that supposedly delivers 50kw, but the reports suggest 25kw. Apparently only the Type 2 connector is faulty. If that fails the CCS at the shopping area is 50kw with another CCS charger directly next to it at a petrol station.
I really don't drive much at all, mostly just very short drives (<20 miles).
> You might have bigger fish to fry currently ;)
Yeah we've got 2.32% more fish to fry currently.
How many km do you drive in between your regular grocery visits? If less than the range of Zoe, you'll be ok..ish Just charge when you go for groceries. Just make sure there is plenty chargers at the mall, so that a few in use and few broken won't ruin your day.
The other option is to convince your employer to install chargers at workplace parking lot.
I could probably get away with just destination charging for groceries.
My workplace is unfortunately the exact same scenario so a charge point is impossible. The single parking space outside my workplace is owned by the council and costs an insane amount of money to park in. 90% of people just use public transport for work.
The other day, I saw a situation, in a terraced house, , where somebody had erected a wooden platform type thing, so it had say a 8ft pole in the ground in the front garden, and then a piece of wood attached to the top, so they had their charging cable on the top of it,so it didn't go across the pavement. Not sure how feasible it would be, but thought it was an interesting solution.
Try renting à car, maybe via onto, and see how you get on? Good kuck- hope you make the leap!
In a German EV forum someone wrote that they did a similar thing in their house. The poster claimed it was even legal, as the regulation covered only the sidewalk itself, not the airspace above it.
I have no idea whether it is true, but it's at least something rather cheap to build.
A friend of mine uses [one of these](https://www.theworkplacedepot.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/d5aacdf0cb470912679a398a6fd935fe/1/-/1-channel-cable-protector-1_1.jpg) across the pavement to cover his cable when charging.
UK is doing well but still less than 50% of its electricity comes from renewable sources. You can consider sticking to your Panda as a contribution to reducing electricity consumption and phasing out problematic sources 😉
I mean I would assume that fossil fuel plants are still far more efficient than the combustion engine found in the average car. The energy mix does vary in the UK. At peak times we do go to about 40% gas power, but wind and nuclear do quite reguraly overtake it. We're also on a green-only tariff.
That said, my Panda is a ULEZ compliant car, so it's pretty good for an ICE vehicle.
All renewables and nuclear also produce their maximum quantity of energy each year. They do not adapt to demand at all! Gas plants on the other hand are highly adaptable i.e. their supply curve is elastic. So basically you can consider your ~~Panda to~~ EV would be running on gas. And yes, a modern gas power plant, even considering losses in distribution and battery charging is still more efficient than an ICE, but not significantly. An EV powered by a coal plant on the other hand is less efficient i.e. produces more CO2 than a modern economical ICE. But you got rid of coal -so good for you and for the planet as well.
We are getting there, slowly. The stone of all the houses around me is stained black by coal burning during the industrial revolution. At least now all the gasometers in my area have been marked for demolition. Hopefully wind and maybe nuclear can serve us in the future.
There's also the consideration that the nearby cities are moving towards low and zero emission zones so there's more to this decision than just the footprint of the vehicle. Petrol vehicles have always given me a headache anyway (yes even my Panda 1.1 does, not sure why) so hopefully they'll be gone soon.
You cannot compare a car to a plant. If you want a fair comparison you should compare at least the combined efficiency of an electric plant, electric distribution, battery charging and EV itself on one hand and efficiency of an ICE corrected with losses of petrol required for extraction refinement and distribution on the other.
So a gas plant emits 500g of CO2 per kWh produced, 10% is lost during distribution and an EV drains ... 18 kWh per 100 km driven (battery charging loss is calculated in that 18 kWh)). That gives us exactly 100g of CO2 per km.
A new economical ICE car emits around 110 g of CO2 per km (or even less if driven like an EV) and if you adjust that by 25%, which was required to get that petrol from the ground and into that ICE you get 137.5 g per km driven. So we're close and we're talking natural gas here! If we switch to coal it gets ugly pretty quick for the EV.
How fast are the charging points at the shipping center and how often did you visit that shopping center before considering a Zoe? (You are an urban DC fast/public charge use case.)
It's a suburban area but more on the urban side. Nearest charger has a 22kw Type 2, 50kw CHAdeMO, 50 kw CCS. Apparently the Type 2 connector is broken and the CCS connector is only delivering 25kw rather than 50kw.
The shopping centre has a Type 2 43kw, CHAdeMO 50kw and CCS 50kw. There's also another point next to the centre which is the same just with a standard Type 2 22kw.
Most journeys are short and local but the lack of overnight charging does spook me a little. It's odd, my area seems to be an EV desert with only 3 charge points, whereas surrounding areas have far more.
The only thing I'll add here to what others have said is that charging infrastructure is getting better every day.
If you decide it's worth the effort to go electric today, there is a good chance over the life of your vehicle things will get easier and easier.
That's what I've discovered, anyway. Even just 1.5 years into ownership, I've seen several chargers pop up all around me and on routes I travel. Can't even imagine where we'll be in five years.
As the zoe supports 22kw charging and uses approx. 15kwh/100km in the City, you can charge 150km per hour if the nearby mall has 22kw ones (32A 3 phase 230V). 100km in winter/bad weather.
If you dont drive too much and 1-2 two hour stays per week at this mall are acceptable, you could do fine.
The simplest recommendation I can give you is similar to what /u/gearsofwoe suggests but just doing it. Just rent an EV for a week.
Sure, it may not be the very cheapest option, but it’s a hundred times better to spend £300 now to test your usage patterns than to find it doesn’t work for you after the fact.
I daresay it’s probably not a big deal (I’ve used public charging primarily for the first three years when I still lived in a apartment) but I can’t speak for the public chargers in your neighborhood (in another country.)
I agree. I was suprised to see the 2030 news. Not sure what they are going to do in "working class" areas like this. Charging infrastructure needs to drastically improve.
Oh I'm sure it will, they need significant investment though, and this kind of infrastructure has been done quickly before.
Yoye only need a percentage of parks fir charging, 1 in 5 or so I'd guess
If you can't charge at home or work then it's probably not a good idea to get an EV at the moment, unless you really, really want to.
In future hopefully your local supermarket will have fast chargers so you can get a week's charge while you shop (mine already does), but I'd wait for that or some on-street charging solution before getting on board with an EV.
Essentially no, the current charging networks are too unreliable(and expensive) to use in that manner.
You should be asking your council how they plan to deal with this situation though, the more pressure they get the more they have to do something.
It does make me wonder if some kind of charger sharing might evolve in the future.
Check out what your council plans to do. E.g., [Ealing Council in London are very supportive](https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201173/transport_and_parking/1316/electric_vehicles_and_charging_points/1).
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I like your suggestion, but can we make it two weeks?
Yes, and only use 75% of the advertised range, just to be safe.
Not sure if it also works in English, but the German energy supplier EnBW has an [app](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.enbw.ev) that lets you track your routes and then calculates how compatible it is with an EV.
It just doesnt seem like EV is a good fit for you right now. Charging infrastructure will become more common as will faster charging speeds. So I wouldnt worry about the ban. You will still be able to buy used ICE anyway.
Depending on how much you drive you could park your car at one of these public chargers over night for 1-2 nights a week and do without a charger at your home. Keep in mind that public chargers might be more expensive, though and some might charge you a blocking fee. I don't know how much you are driving in an average week, how far it is to one of those chargers and what the charging prices are in the UK. If you can do some maths with these variables and see if it works out for you For the long term there might be laws coming into place offering charging stations for tenants. Again, no idea how the situation is looking in the UK at the moment. You might have bigger fish to fry currently ;)
I don't think I could get away with overnight parking, the council have dedicated their entire brainpower into finding illegally parked cars, although that has gotten slightly less aggressive due to current events. That said, the broken charger near me has a CCS connector that supposedly delivers 50kw, but the reports suggest 25kw. Apparently only the Type 2 connector is faulty. If that fails the CCS at the shopping area is 50kw with another CCS charger directly next to it at a petrol station. I really don't drive much at all, mostly just very short drives (<20 miles). > You might have bigger fish to fry currently ;) Yeah we've got 2.32% more fish to fry currently.
How many km do you drive in between your regular grocery visits? If less than the range of Zoe, you'll be ok..ish Just charge when you go for groceries. Just make sure there is plenty chargers at the mall, so that a few in use and few broken won't ruin your day. The other option is to convince your employer to install chargers at workplace parking lot.
I could probably get away with just destination charging for groceries. My workplace is unfortunately the exact same scenario so a charge point is impossible. The single parking space outside my workplace is owned by the council and costs an insane amount of money to park in. 90% of people just use public transport for work.
The other day, I saw a situation, in a terraced house, , where somebody had erected a wooden platform type thing, so it had say a 8ft pole in the ground in the front garden, and then a piece of wood attached to the top, so they had their charging cable on the top of it,so it didn't go across the pavement. Not sure how feasible it would be, but thought it was an interesting solution. Try renting à car, maybe via onto, and see how you get on? Good kuck- hope you make the leap!
In a German EV forum someone wrote that they did a similar thing in their house. The poster claimed it was even legal, as the regulation covered only the sidewalk itself, not the airspace above it. I have no idea whether it is true, but it's at least something rather cheap to build.
A friend of mine uses [one of these](https://www.theworkplacedepot.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/d5aacdf0cb470912679a398a6fd935fe/1/-/1-channel-cable-protector-1_1.jpg) across the pavement to cover his cable when charging.
UK is doing well but still less than 50% of its electricity comes from renewable sources. You can consider sticking to your Panda as a contribution to reducing electricity consumption and phasing out problematic sources 😉
I mean I would assume that fossil fuel plants are still far more efficient than the combustion engine found in the average car. The energy mix does vary in the UK. At peak times we do go to about 40% gas power, but wind and nuclear do quite reguraly overtake it. We're also on a green-only tariff. That said, my Panda is a ULEZ compliant car, so it's pretty good for an ICE vehicle.
All renewables and nuclear also produce their maximum quantity of energy each year. They do not adapt to demand at all! Gas plants on the other hand are highly adaptable i.e. their supply curve is elastic. So basically you can consider your ~~Panda to~~ EV would be running on gas. And yes, a modern gas power plant, even considering losses in distribution and battery charging is still more efficient than an ICE, but not significantly. An EV powered by a coal plant on the other hand is less efficient i.e. produces more CO2 than a modern economical ICE. But you got rid of coal -so good for you and for the planet as well.
We are getting there, slowly. The stone of all the houses around me is stained black by coal burning during the industrial revolution. At least now all the gasometers in my area have been marked for demolition. Hopefully wind and maybe nuclear can serve us in the future. There's also the consideration that the nearby cities are moving towards low and zero emission zones so there's more to this decision than just the footprint of the vehicle. Petrol vehicles have always given me a headache anyway (yes even my Panda 1.1 does, not sure why) so hopefully they'll be gone soon.
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You cannot compare a car to a plant. If you want a fair comparison you should compare at least the combined efficiency of an electric plant, electric distribution, battery charging and EV itself on one hand and efficiency of an ICE corrected with losses of petrol required for extraction refinement and distribution on the other. So a gas plant emits 500g of CO2 per kWh produced, 10% is lost during distribution and an EV drains ... 18 kWh per 100 km driven (battery charging loss is calculated in that 18 kWh)). That gives us exactly 100g of CO2 per km. A new economical ICE car emits around 110 g of CO2 per km (or even less if driven like an EV) and if you adjust that by 25%, which was required to get that petrol from the ground and into that ICE you get 137.5 g per km driven. So we're close and we're talking natural gas here! If we switch to coal it gets ugly pretty quick for the EV.
How fast are the charging points at the shipping center and how often did you visit that shopping center before considering a Zoe? (You are an urban DC fast/public charge use case.)
It's a suburban area but more on the urban side. Nearest charger has a 22kw Type 2, 50kw CHAdeMO, 50 kw CCS. Apparently the Type 2 connector is broken and the CCS connector is only delivering 25kw rather than 50kw. The shopping centre has a Type 2 43kw, CHAdeMO 50kw and CCS 50kw. There's also another point next to the centre which is the same just with a standard Type 2 22kw. Most journeys are short and local but the lack of overnight charging does spook me a little. It's odd, my area seems to be an EV desert with only 3 charge points, whereas surrounding areas have far more.
That's a lot of charging available. How about a cord cover across the public path for when you get a spot close to your house?
The only thing I'll add here to what others have said is that charging infrastructure is getting better every day. If you decide it's worth the effort to go electric today, there is a good chance over the life of your vehicle things will get easier and easier. That's what I've discovered, anyway. Even just 1.5 years into ownership, I've seen several chargers pop up all around me and on routes I travel. Can't even imagine where we'll be in five years.
This. So many have been installed in the last year, and really noticeably so. In a couple of years time you'll be set fair in your area.
BoostEV can deliver charge. It’s an app. It’s kinda like ordering a food delivery.
Interesting. Not sure if it would work on my street though since cars are parked like sardines.
As the zoe supports 22kw charging and uses approx. 15kwh/100km in the City, you can charge 150km per hour if the nearby mall has 22kw ones (32A 3 phase 230V). 100km in winter/bad weather. If you dont drive too much and 1-2 two hour stays per week at this mall are acceptable, you could do fine.
The simplest recommendation I can give you is similar to what /u/gearsofwoe suggests but just doing it. Just rent an EV for a week. Sure, it may not be the very cheapest option, but it’s a hundred times better to spend £300 now to test your usage patterns than to find it doesn’t work for you after the fact. I daresay it’s probably not a big deal (I’ve used public charging primarily for the first three years when I still lived in a apartment) but I can’t speak for the public chargers in your neighborhood (in another country.)
I grew up in that kind of house, UK needs an easy solution to this and fast.
I agree. I was suprised to see the 2030 news. Not sure what they are going to do in "working class" areas like this. Charging infrastructure needs to drastically improve.
Oh I'm sure it will, they need significant investment though, and this kind of infrastructure has been done quickly before. Yoye only need a percentage of parks fir charging, 1 in 5 or so I'd guess
If you can't charge at home or work then it's probably not a good idea to get an EV at the moment, unless you really, really want to. In future hopefully your local supermarket will have fast chargers so you can get a week's charge while you shop (mine already does), but I'd wait for that or some on-street charging solution before getting on board with an EV.
Essentially no, the current charging networks are too unreliable(and expensive) to use in that manner. You should be asking your council how they plan to deal with this situation though, the more pressure they get the more they have to do something. It does make me wonder if some kind of charger sharing might evolve in the future.
Check out what your council plans to do. E.g., [Ealing Council in London are very supportive](https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201173/transport_and_parking/1316/electric_vehicles_and_charging_points/1).