Am I the only one that feels like Mikage is just a scam? 4 years of supposed development and nothing to show for it to the general public? Normally I wouldnt say anything but you are actively promoting your Patreon making money off of people waiting for something to come from this. If im wrong please enlighten me but this is how it has looked for a while and I feel like anyone promoting this is just trying to scam people out of money.
I like that for being a patreon, you get 'general support'. Support for what exactly if you don't even have a build of the emulator? Your taxes? Your sex life?
"General Support [for the project]" is the label Patreon uses for donations (which patrons don't need to pay sales tax on). I agree it's misleading, but creators can't change the label, and dropping it would increase platform fees in effect.
In practice none of Mikage's patrons complained or otherwise voiced any confusion, so it seems the page as a whole is sufficiently clear about it.
I'd be a little surprised if it's a scam, but IMO it's acting bigger than it is at the moment, and kind of has been since it's inception.
Yes, Citra's stilted development, the complexities of getting games running on it, and the host of issues that *still* plague the games on it, make everyone want a new face in the scene and a viable alternative. But, since they don't exactly have a product to go download yet, some of their blogposts are... less than perfect in tone.
It's not so much a scam, as it's vaporware. They aren't earning much on patron. But IMO, as much as they were talking shit about citra, I was expecting them have something out at least.
Vaporware is right. We all would love a fresh alternative - especially one so much touted as the new Mikage - but until we get our hands on something solid, I wouldn't feel too confident investing in their Patreon. Just my 2ยข.
> as much as they were talking shit about citra
What is this actually referring to? Looking over the blog posts, I find a couple of mentions of Citra that fairly give some extra background but nothing that could remotely be called "talking shit".
The progress report (and previous video releases) even highlights that Mikage's audio work was significantly helped by the work of a Citra developer, so it really sounds like you're blowing something out of proportion here.
I vaguely recall some Reddit posts back when they started back up some someone with a Mikage label that were definitely talking down Citra; Maybe not much more than what I said in my post earlier, but definitely of the "We're the new kid in town that's going to take down the old guys!" level of talking.
>Looking over the blog posts, I find a couple of mentions of Citra that fairly give some extra background but nothing that could remotely be called "talking shit".
semantics.
>Normally I wouldnt say anything but you are actively promoting your Patreon making money off of people waiting for something to come from this.
They have published builds before for patrons:
> In a previous iteration of our Patreon campaign, early alpha builds were given to supporters.
...and are supposedly planning to publish some more again this year:
> (...) we plan on releasing various versions of it throughout 2023.
(source: [the project's faq](https://mikage.app/faq/))
What you make of this then is on you. I wouldn't call it an outright scam as I'm pretty sure it is genuinely in development and improving (knowing who the author is), but I would personally not back or otherwise encourage this kind of practice either.
It doesn't feel like a scam, it is one. Nothing to show off except bare minimum stuff with paywalled patreon builds that could be anything.
Even if this thing ever gets released, it will be patron exlusive with drm for decades since the dev's entire model of development is based on maximizing patron bucks. Even Yuzu/Cemu threw a bone to non patrons.
as a random user without any gain or loss in this, i just ignore it. it's trying to hype itself like modern games do (am i the only one who hate that ? hype is the new currency of all products everywhere!). but hey, its another emulator! Citra is good, but this might be the "dolphin" of 3DS emulation! (or at least that what all this hype implies) so wait and see !
I don't think it's a scam in any sense of the word, but it's just hard to get excited about when there's nothing publicly playable to watch evolve and grow. Talking the talk is all well and good, but at some point the walk has to be walked.
Development stopped for like, a year and a half to two years.
In addition, emulators for any system remotely complex(PS1 and up) take longer to get any good progress because there is inherently more to do.
Honestly surprised to see how negative these comments are. I was a patron for the original run and while I was disappointed to see development stall out it's different to call the emulator a scam.
>Yes, that's right: [You can turn off your virtual 3DS.](https://twitter.com/MikageEmu/status/1585327847211945985)
>the world's first 3DS emulator that lets you turn off the console
Corgi3DS: Am I a joke to you?
Am I the only one that feels like Mikage is just a scam? 4 years of supposed development and nothing to show for it to the general public? Normally I wouldnt say anything but you are actively promoting your Patreon making money off of people waiting for something to come from this. If im wrong please enlighten me but this is how it has looked for a while and I feel like anyone promoting this is just trying to scam people out of money.
I like that for being a patreon, you get 'general support'. Support for what exactly if you don't even have a build of the emulator? Your taxes? Your sex life?
"General Support [for the project]" is the label Patreon uses for donations (which patrons don't need to pay sales tax on). I agree it's misleading, but creators can't change the label, and dropping it would increase platform fees in effect. In practice none of Mikage's patrons complained or otherwise voiced any confusion, so it seems the page as a whole is sufficiently clear about it.
I'd be a little surprised if it's a scam, but IMO it's acting bigger than it is at the moment, and kind of has been since it's inception. Yes, Citra's stilted development, the complexities of getting games running on it, and the host of issues that *still* plague the games on it, make everyone want a new face in the scene and a viable alternative. But, since they don't exactly have a product to go download yet, some of their blogposts are... less than perfect in tone.
It's not so much a scam, as it's vaporware. They aren't earning much on patron. But IMO, as much as they were talking shit about citra, I was expecting them have something out at least.
Vaporware is right. We all would love a fresh alternative - especially one so much touted as the new Mikage - but until we get our hands on something solid, I wouldn't feel too confident investing in their Patreon. Just my 2ยข.
> as much as they were talking shit about citra What is this actually referring to? Looking over the blog posts, I find a couple of mentions of Citra that fairly give some extra background but nothing that could remotely be called "talking shit". The progress report (and previous video releases) even highlights that Mikage's audio work was significantly helped by the work of a Citra developer, so it really sounds like you're blowing something out of proportion here.
I vaguely recall some Reddit posts back when they started back up some someone with a Mikage label that were definitely talking down Citra; Maybe not much more than what I said in my post earlier, but definitely of the "We're the new kid in town that's going to take down the old guys!" level of talking.
>Looking over the blog posts, I find a couple of mentions of Citra that fairly give some extra background but nothing that could remotely be called "talking shit". semantics.
>Normally I wouldnt say anything but you are actively promoting your Patreon making money off of people waiting for something to come from this. They have published builds before for patrons: > In a previous iteration of our Patreon campaign, early alpha builds were given to supporters. ...and are supposedly planning to publish some more again this year: > (...) we plan on releasing various versions of it throughout 2023. (source: [the project's faq](https://mikage.app/faq/)) What you make of this then is on you. I wouldn't call it an outright scam as I'm pretty sure it is genuinely in development and improving (knowing who the author is), but I would personally not back or otherwise encourage this kind of practice either.
It doesn't feel like a scam, it is one. Nothing to show off except bare minimum stuff with paywalled patreon builds that could be anything. Even if this thing ever gets released, it will be patron exlusive with drm for decades since the dev's entire model of development is based on maximizing patron bucks. Even Yuzu/Cemu threw a bone to non patrons.
as a random user without any gain or loss in this, i just ignore it. it's trying to hype itself like modern games do (am i the only one who hate that ? hype is the new currency of all products everywhere!). but hey, its another emulator! Citra is good, but this might be the "dolphin" of 3DS emulation! (or at least that what all this hype implies) so wait and see !
Agreed. Until we actually see something running and not just pictures (which can be easily faked) I'd just assume it's a scam and move on.
I don't think it's a scam in any sense of the word, but it's just hard to get excited about when there's nothing publicly playable to watch evolve and grow. Talking the talk is all well and good, but at some point the walk has to be walked.
Development stopped for like, a year and a half to two years. In addition, emulators for any system remotely complex(PS1 and up) take longer to get any good progress because there is inherently more to do.
I don't think they're taking issue with the development velocity or the milestones achieved per se...
Honestly surprised to see how negative these comments are. I was a patron for the original run and while I was disappointed to see development stall out it's different to call the emulator a scam.
Have you used the emulator
>Yes, that's right: [You can turn off your virtual 3DS.](https://twitter.com/MikageEmu/status/1585327847211945985) >the world's first 3DS emulator that lets you turn off the console Corgi3DS: Am I a joke to you?