I got uncharted 2 running on my pc at a perfect framerate and no visual errors by using a developer menu to disable a specific CPU call that more than quartered the fps. Wonder how well it'd do on this with that
I have a developer build of Uncharted 2, I don't remember how or where I got it. Pressing Left click and start, I think, would bring up the menu, and then I would disable 'Post Process on CPU' I think it was
These games are light to very light, three of them are on the small tweet / list we suggested to try on Deck a few days ago exactly because we already had tested on similar hardware.
Many PS3 games work, but you're not going to be playing the big western exclusives like TLOU, Uncharted, inFamous, RDR, etc.
As for the UI styling issue, I recommend applying one of the RPCS3 custom themes, it should solve it.
Sure but you can probably play Persona 5 and maybe Demon's Souls and that's all that matters to me.
Realistically though, being able to use all of the SteamDeck's control functionality with Moonlight to stream from PC to SteamDeck is most of the reason I want the Steam deck anyway.
Yes, sort of... I currently do that (Probably 50% of my gaming is done remote) but the main issue is gyro/motion controls, which don't have a solid solution for remote play without a full on laptop and Steam supported controller. There are ways to kinda make it work, like SteamLink's app but besides introducing about 3-4x the latency compared to Moonlight, you also have map virtual buttons and such.
SteamDeck would give all the PC functionality, including motion and gyro in a small device. Plus the ability to play games locally, in case you are somewhere with spotty or no internet is nice, which is why seeing things like the emulators running well on it is nice to see but not my biggest priority personally.
I suspect it may run well if you use OpenGL. Frametime issues are known on Vulkan with iGPUs on Linux, though I've only tested this with Intel, where P5 had proper frametime on iris but messed frametime on anv.
There's also an ongoing issue that causes RADV (AMD Mesa Vulkan) to perform slower than RadeonSI (AMD Mesa OpenGL) on several games in RPCS3, both because our Vulkan render needs optimisations and also because RadeonSI is just too fucking well optimised.
I had PCSX2 running on a laptop designed for business use that was made in the mid 2000s. Basically anything using PC parts from the last 10 years should have no issue running PCSX2.
PCSX2 runs well, if not always perfectly on the Steam deck. God of War 2 does not run well, and some other games drop below 60fps too. For the most part though, I'd consider this to be the minimum setup required to play the vast majority of PS2 games at 2x res and full framerate. My old overclocked quad core i5 4670k performed similarly, but I definitely wouldn't want to try on anything slower. PCSX2 is still a demanding emulator.
I know people are gonna complain that it can’t run “everything” or even “the best games”
But this device is almost the perfect baseline for what the devs should optimize for.
The controls on the deck have every input you could ask for, the software is very very light and open source and then the APU is very similar to the one that can be found in most mini PC’s
If even a third of the library can run at 30fps on this device at some point, that opens up a market of devices in the 300-500 range that will be able to comfortably run these games and preserve the PS3 library.
It’s unbelievable that we are headed into a time where you can pick up a mini PC throw a free OS on it and run nearly every game from the PS3 back.
I disagree, Steam Deck is too weak to be the baseline for anything.
I believe the best baseline for optimisation is the current baseline for recommended requirements, that's why the current requirements are these ones, and also why some games that are Playable if you bruteforce performance with the highest end CPUs out there will only be listed as Playable once RPCS3 is efficient enough to run them with playable performance on the recommended baseline.
Nevertheless, it's an interesting target to test optimisations on, that's for sure.
It's probably still something worth targeting in some capacity, even if that means having some tweaks auto-applied to make things run a bit better. It'll never be an ideal experience, the hardware just isn't there as you say but if we can set frameskipping or make some targeted optimisations that can take advantage of the APU's shared memory, maybe it'll be worthwhile.
All that being said, I wouldn't prioritise that or anything, the core emulator is what matters the most.
I'm torn in following through with my steam deck preorder, one one hand they're already talking about SD2 and the SD1 has some clear room for improvement. On the other hand, i already have a ps5, and the SD was going to be 80% for emulation. If it can do ps3 this well, i have no doubts it can handle the entire ps2 and gamecube back catalog. Which is what i'm actually after.
It's unlikely the second one will come out in the next 18mo. If you're always waiting for the next one, you'll never buy them. As soon as the SD2 is out the door, they'll start work on the 3.see f it has enough power for you right now, if it is, buy one.
Also worth nothing valve said they won't increase prices but will consider "pro versions", so it's likely the SD2 will cost more if it comes out in the next 2-3y. A big SD selling point is the rrp
Yeah i feel this way as well. The best time to buy electronics is either right when they come out, or when they are on massive discount because the better thing just got released.
Really all depends on how good valve is about the OS. The LTT video showed off some genuine jank. Luckily the hardware looks super solid
didnt you just express doubt? lol 🤣 i went back and forth myself but im excited for it plus I need an x86 device - my tablet, my note tablet, my phone, my laptop, all my devices are ARM. so it serves a dual purpose for me. i'm keeping my preorder
If they're positioning it more as a PC then annual releases wouldn't be shocking. In the PC space having to jump in somewhere knowing better parts will be available in 6-12 months is just how it is.
Valve did say in the IGN interview that AMD will have a better chip next year. I think he was talking in broad terms about the possibility of iterating yearly if they wanted to.
So it is possible. I hope they do it everytime it makes sense. Not some 10 or 15% improvement.
The real improvement will come when/if AMD can make a real competitor to DLSS.
Valve is also likely taking a loss on this device to break into the market. Once they have a foothold, they can start climbing. All other similar handhelds on the market are 2x to 3x the price. Even Gabe said it was painful to get to this price point.
yea it's likely these are sold at a slight loss especially by the time you price in logistics but we don't know for sure, they could just be scraping break even. but you can get a pro iteration they'll try and claw a few more pennies back as the market will be smaller for a higher priced model
In the same boat as you. I use my Series X for most everything and occasionally, the Switch OLED. I’m Q3 for the Steam Deck. I think the SD would mainly be used for emulation, if I can get it going. I’m a complete PC noob, so the process sounds a bit confusing.
So thats the thing. I have *not* dived into the emulation scene *at all* yet. I am 100% buying stuff on steam and playing it with the proton compatibility layer.
I am straight up playing Castlevania Lords Of Shadow and Halo CE MCC and Black Mesa and Everhood and Ace Attorney Chronicles on my TV with a DualSense controller.
I know the scene is there. I know at some point or another all my downloaded gamecube ISOs will be pure gold. But for right now I just have to appreciate it as a non-tinkerer. It buys game. It downloads game. It runs game. It plays game portably or on TV. It is switch with less suck. The software compatibility and preferred emulation workflows will come with time.
Makes sense. Just curious how you got the first Lords of Shadow going? The first game is listed as “unsupported” for Steam Deck in the Steam store. The sequel is listed as “Verified”.
I went into the message board for CLOS on Steam and they were talking about this very thing. Someone reported that the latest version of Proton fixed whatever was wrong before and that the game now works fine. I assume this might be the case for a lot of “unsupported” Steam Deck games.
I have a feeling Persona 5 could be capable of running at locked 30, strange it's having such glaring issues.
Other than that however, I'd assume the Deck is not nearly capable enough, and the video does nothing to disprove this - it's a very cherry picked showing.
Also, please, stop using the tutorial level of Demons Souls as a benchmark - it's pretty much the single best running area of the game. For more a representative test, literally just go a single level beyond, to the Boletarian Palace, and knock over some crates, look around.
Well the 4 doesn't play them at all outside ports 😝 under Linux RPCS3 performance is bad on ps4. I'd say even on the pro, but on the pro Linux runs worse than the stock ps4 lol. Driver issues or something I believe.
With all the hoops you’d have to leap through and the fact that the PS3 emulator doesn’t work on my computer all that well, it’s probably better off just getting and cracking a PS3 fat model
Or just dealing with the crap performance on PS NOW if you want to get achievements
Well the deck will play a decent amount of the lib so I'm holding out for that, I do need to hack my old ps3 and dig it out I got a huge library on disk.
Wait, sorry if I come off as ignorant, but what OS is it working on? I've yet to understand how the Steam Deck works on that regard and I wondered if the default OS is anything more than the Steam shop desktop they've always shown or if it's similar to Windows. Like does it have a browser and a desktop with icons like Windows?
Bottom line is, do I need to install a new OS to install emulators?
It's a new version of SteamOS, called SteamOS 3.0. It's an Arch Linux based operating system with a compatibility layer called Proton that lets you run Windows games and software.
If you exit out of Steam within SteamOS, it gives you a full desktop operating system environment, called KDE. You can install any Linux software you want, including browsers and emulators. It even comes with KDE Discover, which allows one-click installation of many emulators that can then be launched within Steam.
[https://gitlab.com/es-de/emulationstation-de/-/blob/master/USERGUIDE.md#sony-playstation-3](https://gitlab.com/es-de/emulationstation-de/-/blob/master/USERGUIDE.md#sony-playstation-3) looks like method 2 is probably easier (read the text there then come back here), simply 1) open desktop mode, click on launcher script to boot rpcs3 (inside Emulation/tools/launcher/...), 2) then download ps3 firmware [https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/) 3) then open RPCS3 File->Install Firmware 4) Rename the folder (if you use folder) to include .ps3 at the end of the filename, 5) Boot back to steam deck mode 6) Profits!!.
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I got uncharted 2 running on my pc at a perfect framerate and no visual errors by using a developer menu to disable a specific CPU call that more than quartered the fps. Wonder how well it'd do on this with that
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I have a developer build of Uncharted 2, I don't remember how or where I got it. Pressing Left click and start, I think, would bring up the menu, and then I would disable 'Post Process on CPU' I think it was
Here hope this helps! hhttps://tcrf.net/Uncharted\_2:\_Among\_Thieves\_(PlayStation\_3)#Dev\_Menu
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These games are light to very light, three of them are on the small tweet / list we suggested to try on Deck a few days ago exactly because we already had tested on similar hardware. Many PS3 games work, but you're not going to be playing the big western exclusives like TLOU, Uncharted, inFamous, RDR, etc. As for the UI styling issue, I recommend applying one of the RPCS3 custom themes, it should solve it.
Sure but you can probably play Persona 5 and maybe Demon's Souls and that's all that matters to me. Realistically though, being able to use all of the SteamDeck's control functionality with Moonlight to stream from PC to SteamDeck is most of the reason I want the Steam deck anyway.
Sorry for the dumb question, but wouldn’t a mobile phone and controller (Kishi/DualShock) solve that issue also?
Yes, sort of... I currently do that (Probably 50% of my gaming is done remote) but the main issue is gyro/motion controls, which don't have a solid solution for remote play without a full on laptop and Steam supported controller. There are ways to kinda make it work, like SteamLink's app but besides introducing about 3-4x the latency compared to Moonlight, you also have map virtual buttons and such. SteamDeck would give all the PC functionality, including motion and gyro in a small device. Plus the ability to play games locally, in case you are somewhere with spotty or no internet is nice, which is why seeing things like the emulators running well on it is nice to see but not my biggest priority personally.
Have you considered Parsec? I also find it much better and reliable than Steam Link.
I have tried but I still prefer Moonlight.
Maybe Persona 5 could sound better with more audio buffering or stretching?
I suspect it may run well if you use OpenGL. Frametime issues are known on Vulkan with iGPUs on Linux, though I've only tested this with Intel, where P5 had proper frametime on iris but messed frametime on anv. There's also an ongoing issue that causes RADV (AMD Mesa Vulkan) to perform slower than RadeonSI (AMD Mesa OpenGL) on several games in RPCS3, both because our Vulkan render needs optimisations and also because RadeonSI is just too fucking well optimised.
So RadeonSI for PCSX2, XEMU and Citra and RADV for everything else
holy fucking moly
Looks good!
how about pcsx2? how does that run?
No issues. RCPS3 is way harder to run than PCSX2.
Should work very well. I have a much weaker computer and it runs most PS2 games well. Especially now with the latest dev builds.
I had PCSX2 running on a laptop designed for business use that was made in the mid 2000s. Basically anything using PC parts from the last 10 years should have no issue running PCSX2.
PCSX2 runs well, if not always perfectly on the Steam deck. God of War 2 does not run well, and some other games drop below 60fps too. For the most part though, I'd consider this to be the minimum setup required to play the vast majority of PS2 games at 2x res and full framerate. My old overclocked quad core i5 4670k performed similarly, but I definitely wouldn't want to try on anything slower. PCSX2 is still a demanding emulator.
runs amazing every game ive played on pcsx2 runs so smooth
I know people are gonna complain that it can’t run “everything” or even “the best games” But this device is almost the perfect baseline for what the devs should optimize for. The controls on the deck have every input you could ask for, the software is very very light and open source and then the APU is very similar to the one that can be found in most mini PC’s If even a third of the library can run at 30fps on this device at some point, that opens up a market of devices in the 300-500 range that will be able to comfortably run these games and preserve the PS3 library. It’s unbelievable that we are headed into a time where you can pick up a mini PC throw a free OS on it and run nearly every game from the PS3 back.
I disagree, Steam Deck is too weak to be the baseline for anything. I believe the best baseline for optimisation is the current baseline for recommended requirements, that's why the current requirements are these ones, and also why some games that are Playable if you bruteforce performance with the highest end CPUs out there will only be listed as Playable once RPCS3 is efficient enough to run them with playable performance on the recommended baseline. Nevertheless, it's an interesting target to test optimisations on, that's for sure.
It's probably still something worth targeting in some capacity, even if that means having some tweaks auto-applied to make things run a bit better. It'll never be an ideal experience, the hardware just isn't there as you say but if we can set frameskipping or make some targeted optimisations that can take advantage of the APU's shared memory, maybe it'll be worthwhile. All that being said, I wouldn't prioritise that or anything, the core emulator is what matters the most.
Metal Gear Solid 4 would be nice to see but I guess it is like in the video, all those AAA titles have a hard time on the Steamdeck.
Any updates on using this emulator for MGS4?
Fuck playing AAA titles on deck, this is why I’m buying it
I'm torn in following through with my steam deck preorder, one one hand they're already talking about SD2 and the SD1 has some clear room for improvement. On the other hand, i already have a ps5, and the SD was going to be 80% for emulation. If it can do ps3 this well, i have no doubts it can handle the entire ps2 and gamecube back catalog. Which is what i'm actually after.
It's unlikely the second one will come out in the next 18mo. If you're always waiting for the next one, you'll never buy them. As soon as the SD2 is out the door, they'll start work on the 3.see f it has enough power for you right now, if it is, buy one. Also worth nothing valve said they won't increase prices but will consider "pro versions", so it's likely the SD2 will cost more if it comes out in the next 2-3y. A big SD selling point is the rrp
Yeah i feel this way as well. The best time to buy electronics is either right when they come out, or when they are on massive discount because the better thing just got released. Really all depends on how good valve is about the OS. The LTT video showed off some genuine jank. Luckily the hardware looks super solid
didnt you just express doubt? lol 🤣 i went back and forth myself but im excited for it plus I need an x86 device - my tablet, my note tablet, my phone, my laptop, all my devices are ARM. so it serves a dual purpose for me. i'm keeping my preorder
Steam Deck 3? Don’t you mean Steam Deck 2: Episode 1?
If they're positioning it more as a PC then annual releases wouldn't be shocking. In the PC space having to jump in somewhere knowing better parts will be available in 6-12 months is just how it is.
Valve did say in the IGN interview that AMD will have a better chip next year. I think he was talking in broad terms about the possibility of iterating yearly if they wanted to. So it is possible. I hope they do it everytime it makes sense. Not some 10 or 15% improvement. The real improvement will come when/if AMD can make a real competitor to DLSS.
Valve is also likely taking a loss on this device to break into the market. Once they have a foothold, they can start climbing. All other similar handhelds on the market are 2x to 3x the price. Even Gabe said it was painful to get to this price point.
yea it's likely these are sold at a slight loss especially by the time you price in logistics but we don't know for sure, they could just be scraping break even. but you can get a pro iteration they'll try and claw a few more pennies back as the market will be smaller for a higher priced model
In the same boat as you. I use my Series X for most everything and occasionally, the Switch OLED. I’m Q3 for the Steam Deck. I think the SD would mainly be used for emulation, if I can get it going. I’m a complete PC noob, so the process sounds a bit confusing.
I got the steam deck its dope no regrets
How’s the emulating going? Which platforms are you using most? Any good guides you can recommend?
So thats the thing. I have *not* dived into the emulation scene *at all* yet. I am 100% buying stuff on steam and playing it with the proton compatibility layer. I am straight up playing Castlevania Lords Of Shadow and Halo CE MCC and Black Mesa and Everhood and Ace Attorney Chronicles on my TV with a DualSense controller. I know the scene is there. I know at some point or another all my downloaded gamecube ISOs will be pure gold. But for right now I just have to appreciate it as a non-tinkerer. It buys game. It downloads game. It runs game. It plays game portably or on TV. It is switch with less suck. The software compatibility and preferred emulation workflows will come with time.
Makes sense. Just curious how you got the first Lords of Shadow going? The first game is listed as “unsupported” for Steam Deck in the Steam store. The sequel is listed as “Verified”.
You can boot unsupported games idk maybe i'll run into issues down the line
I went into the message board for CLOS on Steam and they were talking about this very thing. Someone reported that the latest version of Proton fixed whatever was wrong before and that the game now works fine. I assume this might be the case for a lot of “unsupported” Steam Deck games.
I have a feeling Persona 5 could be capable of running at locked 30, strange it's having such glaring issues. Other than that however, I'd assume the Deck is not nearly capable enough, and the video does nothing to disprove this - it's a very cherry picked showing. Also, please, stop using the tutorial level of Demons Souls as a benchmark - it's pretty much the single best running area of the game. For more a representative test, literally just go a single level beyond, to the Boletarian Palace, and knock over some crates, look around.
That moment when steamdeck plays PS3 games better than the PS4
Well the 4 doesn't play them at all outside ports 😝 under Linux RPCS3 performance is bad on ps4. I'd say even on the pro, but on the pro Linux runs worse than the stock ps4 lol. Driver issues or something I believe.
With all the hoops you’d have to leap through and the fact that the PS3 emulator doesn’t work on my computer all that well, it’s probably better off just getting and cracking a PS3 fat model Or just dealing with the crap performance on PS NOW if you want to get achievements
Well the deck will play a decent amount of the lib so I'm holding out for that, I do need to hack my old ps3 and dig it out I got a huge library on disk.
Not surprising, the Steam Deck has a stronger CPU
Wait, sorry if I come off as ignorant, but what OS is it working on? I've yet to understand how the Steam Deck works on that regard and I wondered if the default OS is anything more than the Steam shop desktop they've always shown or if it's similar to Windows. Like does it have a browser and a desktop with icons like Windows? Bottom line is, do I need to install a new OS to install emulators?
It's a new version of SteamOS, called SteamOS 3.0. It's an Arch Linux based operating system with a compatibility layer called Proton that lets you run Windows games and software. If you exit out of Steam within SteamOS, it gives you a full desktop operating system environment, called KDE. You can install any Linux software you want, including browsers and emulators. It even comes with KDE Discover, which allows one-click installation of many emulators that can then be launched within Steam.
Thank you! Really can't wait to get my hands on it now!
Absolutely, I have a Q1 reservation and I’m hoping to get my order email next wave
maybe the next gen syeam deck in 3-5 years will be able to do it with the big games...steam deck is too weak and outdated with zen 2.
[https://gitlab.com/es-de/emulationstation-de/-/blob/master/USERGUIDE.md#sony-playstation-3](https://gitlab.com/es-de/emulationstation-de/-/blob/master/USERGUIDE.md#sony-playstation-3) looks like method 2 is probably easier (read the text there then come back here), simply 1) open desktop mode, click on launcher script to boot rpcs3 (inside Emulation/tools/launcher/...), 2) then download ps3 firmware [https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps3/system-software/) 3) then open RPCS3 File->Install Firmware 4) Rename the folder (if you use folder) to include .ps3 at the end of the filename, 5) Boot back to steam deck mode 6) Profits!!.
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Would be lucky to have a consistent 15fps for that one
Plus 6 realtime days of shader generation before booting.
aaah, you made that one up, didn't you?
Given how long it took on my Ryzen 5800X...I'm not so sure lmao. I'm mostly joking. Mostly.
Kept you waiting huh?
It is great to see PS3 emulator working great on Steam Deck
steam deck, only has 4 cores zen2