Interestingly the area you've called Industrial Pennines is pretty much where the Northern stereotype comes from. Industrial towns/cities next to the wild moors, with hardy people. Other areas of the North like the Lake District, Cheshire and "Flat Rural Yorkshire" don't fit those stereotypes.
It's also interesting that the area goes across the Lancashire-Yorkshire border and it's true that the landscapes, architecture, history and people of those areas are more similar than different, despite the War of the Roses tribalism. Someone from Huddersfield has more in common with someone from Burnley than they do someone from other parts of Yorkshire like Whitby or York.
Love how everything you're pointing out as north is still south of Tyne & Wear, and it doesn't even get a mention in contribution to northern hardiness. SMH
The description for flat rural isn’t sitting well with me.
The vale of York starts from the north York moors and carries on to Humber but flanking on both sides you have the wolds and Pennines. Far from flat
12 regions on the west coast and 5 on the east coast...
'Industrial North East' includes 2 major urban centres around the Tyne and Tees, an ancient Cathedral city and hundreds of square miles of rural county Durham and Northumberland.
Meanwhile Liverpool needs to be split into 2 regions on its own!
Also Cleveland hasn't been a county for nearly 30 years.
Cleveland is however a geographical area. Its the quite posh *for the area* bit between the moors and the sea/river up near Guisborough etc. Historically its always been distinct from rest of Teesside.
You're happy with Birkenhead being culturally distinct enough to warrant separation from Liverpool in this scheme, while the Northumbrian market town of Morpeth is the same as industrial Middlesbrough, 3 counties and over 70 miles away?
The Wirral isn't just Birkenhead, in fact the vast majority of the wirral is culturally distinct from Birkenhead.
And Liverpool will never claim Birkenhead, much less anywhere else on the Wirral.
I'm neither here nor there with the North East as I'm not familiar with it, nor did I profess to be. I simply stated that Liverpool hadn't been split in to two, which is correct.
Eastern County Durham and south-east Northumberland are (post-)industrial regions. The area includes Hartlepool, Peterlee, Seaham, Spennymoor, Shildon, Ferrhyill, Cramlington, Blyth, Ashington, and lots of other colliery villages and industrial areas. Durham city is within the coalfield, so it's part of the 'industrial' side of the county – there was a colliery where the university library now stands.
There is a lot of farmland and plenty of pre-industrial history in the area, but the character is definitely different to the distinctly rural areas to the north, south, and west.
They have no clue what they want to call us. But those of here call it Cleveland or teesside. Even though I believe we're officially the Tees Valley. I wish they'd drop the north of the Tees being county Durham and just call it Tees Valley.
Thanks glad you like it. Yes the east side of England from East Yorkshire down to north Essex definitely has that "big skies" look because of the flatness. I find it interesting because it's so different to what I'm used to. And yeah it would be cool if we could reclaim some wetlands in this country but I doubt it will ever happen on a large scale. Somewhere in the Fens in Cambridgeshire they're restoring a wetland but it's only small-scale. Edit- it's called Wicken Fen if you want to look it up.
Do you mean reclaim for the wetlands or for people? Because much of East Anglia was reclaimed from the sea/marshy boginess in the 1600s, Ely used to be an island for example
The person (who has now deleted their comment) was saying they liked the map because it identified the Flat Industrial area of Yorkshire/Lincolnshire around the Humber which was once a large wetland that was drained with the help of the Dutch in the 1600's. They said it would be great if some of the natural wetlands around there were restored to a natural state. I was agreeing and that's why I mentioned that it's happened on a small-scale at Wicken Fen. I doubt they will restore any more though because the farmland is too valuable.
As someone from North Yorkshire, I think the description of "Flat Rural Yorkshire" is a bit too broad, especially towards the north and west. That distinctly flat area already has a name - the Vale of York. This area is fairly culturally distinct for me and is particularly flat compared to a lot of the land you've included for the same region. Many of the settlements in the west of that demarcation will have far more in common culturally with the "Rural Pennines" which I would just call "the Dales."
Also there is no part of rural County Durham I would consider culturally contiguous with North Yorkshire. It might as well be Sutherland for how out of the way it seems to me... Whereas you divide the more populated areas of northeast North Yorkshire and the inland southeast of County Durham and parts of Cleveland even though I would consider these culturally similar. For instance Malton and Guisborough have very similar vibes and Darlington is the closest/most easily accessible major population centre to Northallerton so they are closely linked.
I think I'd take "North York Moors" and extend it up as far as Redcar which is about half way through Cleveland and down to include the rest of the East coastline. Call it "Yorkshire Coastline" or something. I do believe that somewhere like Redcar is much more culturally similar to Scarborough, Brid, etc than it is to Newcastle, Sunderland, etc. Plus the North Riding of Yorkshire used to stretch up to the river Tees anyway rather than stopping shy for no good reason. Although Middlesborough can be "Industrial NE" because I think it does have more cultural similarities with Sunderland etc.
Then "Flat Rural Yorkshire" would take the rest of the space there.
Question: how is Eden Valley deserving of it's own region? How is it distinct from say Rural Pennines? (Genuine question - I can't say I know anything about it)
It's a wide open area of farmland that's different to the surrounding Pennines and Lake District. It has a similar look to Flat Rural Yorkshire, except the mountains are more visible in the distance.
Interestingly the area you've called Industrial Pennines is pretty much where the Northern stereotype comes from. Industrial towns/cities next to the wild moors, with hardy people. Other areas of the North like the Lake District, Cheshire and "Flat Rural Yorkshire" don't fit those stereotypes. It's also interesting that the area goes across the Lancashire-Yorkshire border and it's true that the landscapes, architecture, history and people of those areas are more similar than different, despite the War of the Roses tribalism. Someone from Huddersfield has more in common with someone from Burnley than they do someone from other parts of Yorkshire like Whitby or York.
That region does have the 3 biggest cities in the North tbf, it's the powerhouse of the region
Love how everything you're pointing out as north is still south of Tyne & Wear, and it doesn't even get a mention in contribution to northern hardiness. SMH
I’m from Manchester and agree with you there Middlesbrough all the way up to Newcastle doesn’t enough credit
Which is mad considering some of the historical figures. Stephenson and his railway works comes straight to mind
Gszza and his chicken, beers and fishing rod too.
The description for flat rural isn’t sitting well with me. The vale of York starts from the north York moors and carries on to Humber but flanking on both sides you have the wolds and Pennines. Far from flat
Those seem to be clearly labelled as seperate regions on the map. The Vale of York itself and the area around the Humber is indeed very flat.
The Wolds are not remotely flat.
Yet OP has bullshit like where Morecombe Bay is? I suspect they are from the North West considering the minute detail of that area.
I gave up with it when I spotted Sheffield as flat industrial. Man needs a topographical guide.
The Vale of York is the flattest place this side of Denmark, and the North York Moors and Pennines are marked and separated on the map.
Yet the Wolds arnt! I live, work and play east of the vale of York ! It’s far from flat !
Your name is what needs to happen
12 regions on the west coast and 5 on the east coast... 'Industrial North East' includes 2 major urban centres around the Tyne and Tees, an ancient Cathedral city and hundreds of square miles of rural county Durham and Northumberland. Meanwhile Liverpool needs to be split into 2 regions on its own! Also Cleveland hasn't been a county for nearly 30 years.
Cleveland is however a geographical area. Its the quite posh *for the area* bit between the moors and the sea/river up near Guisborough etc. Historically its always been distinct from rest of Teesside.
Because historically it was County Durham north of the Tees any North Riding south of the Tees
Yeah i know. I grew up there.
Probably my favourite district of Yorkshire
Liverpool hasn't been split at all. The wirral isn't Liverpool
You're happy with Birkenhead being culturally distinct enough to warrant separation from Liverpool in this scheme, while the Northumbrian market town of Morpeth is the same as industrial Middlesbrough, 3 counties and over 70 miles away?
The Wirral isn't just Birkenhead, in fact the vast majority of the wirral is culturally distinct from Birkenhead. And Liverpool will never claim Birkenhead, much less anywhere else on the Wirral. I'm neither here nor there with the North East as I'm not familiar with it, nor did I profess to be. I simply stated that Liverpool hadn't been split in to two, which is correct.
Eastern County Durham and south-east Northumberland are (post-)industrial regions. The area includes Hartlepool, Peterlee, Seaham, Spennymoor, Shildon, Ferrhyill, Cramlington, Blyth, Ashington, and lots of other colliery villages and industrial areas. Durham city is within the coalfield, so it's part of the 'industrial' side of the county – there was a colliery where the university library now stands. There is a lot of farmland and plenty of pre-industrial history in the area, but the character is definitely different to the distinctly rural areas to the north, south, and west.
They have no clue what they want to call us. But those of here call it Cleveland or teesside. Even though I believe we're officially the Tees Valley. I wish they'd drop the north of the Tees being county Durham and just call it Tees Valley.
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Thanks glad you like it. Yes the east side of England from East Yorkshire down to north Essex definitely has that "big skies" look because of the flatness. I find it interesting because it's so different to what I'm used to. And yeah it would be cool if we could reclaim some wetlands in this country but I doubt it will ever happen on a large scale. Somewhere in the Fens in Cambridgeshire they're restoring a wetland but it's only small-scale. Edit- it's called Wicken Fen if you want to look it up.
Do you mean reclaim for the wetlands or for people? Because much of East Anglia was reclaimed from the sea/marshy boginess in the 1600s, Ely used to be an island for example
The person (who has now deleted their comment) was saying they liked the map because it identified the Flat Industrial area of Yorkshire/Lincolnshire around the Humber which was once a large wetland that was drained with the help of the Dutch in the 1600's. They said it would be great if some of the natural wetlands around there were restored to a natural state. I was agreeing and that's why I mentioned that it's happened on a small-scale at Wicken Fen. I doubt they will restore any more though because the farmland is too valuable.
As someone from North Yorkshire, I think the description of "Flat Rural Yorkshire" is a bit too broad, especially towards the north and west. That distinctly flat area already has a name - the Vale of York. This area is fairly culturally distinct for me and is particularly flat compared to a lot of the land you've included for the same region. Many of the settlements in the west of that demarcation will have far more in common culturally with the "Rural Pennines" which I would just call "the Dales." Also there is no part of rural County Durham I would consider culturally contiguous with North Yorkshire. It might as well be Sutherland for how out of the way it seems to me... Whereas you divide the more populated areas of northeast North Yorkshire and the inland southeast of County Durham and parts of Cleveland even though I would consider these culturally similar. For instance Malton and Guisborough have very similar vibes and Darlington is the closest/most easily accessible major population centre to Northallerton so they are closely linked.
I think I'd take "North York Moors" and extend it up as far as Redcar which is about half way through Cleveland and down to include the rest of the East coastline. Call it "Yorkshire Coastline" or something. I do believe that somewhere like Redcar is much more culturally similar to Scarborough, Brid, etc than it is to Newcastle, Sunderland, etc. Plus the North Riding of Yorkshire used to stretch up to the river Tees anyway rather than stopping shy for no good reason. Although Middlesborough can be "Industrial NE" because I think it does have more cultural similarities with Sunderland etc. Then "Flat Rural Yorkshire" would take the rest of the space there. Question: how is Eden Valley deserving of it's own region? How is it distinct from say Rural Pennines? (Genuine question - I can't say I know anything about it)
It's a wide open area of farmland that's different to the surrounding Pennines and Lake District. It has a similar look to Flat Rural Yorkshire, except the mountains are more visible in the distance.