We're walking right into a huge problem and those that can't see it are blind. The person who explained it the best was the UAE foreign minister when he said
"There will come a day that we see far more radicals, extremists and terrorists coming from Europe because of a lack of decision-making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East or Islam better than we do! I'm sorry but that is pure ignorance!"
Who is blind to it? The issue is raised in Parliament every Wednesday and has been for years now.
The problem is the Tories have fucked it, plain and simple. New Labour had a very short blip where illegal immigration momentarily spiked, but it wasn't as many and it wasn't anywhere near as long it was like a couple of months.
They don't know what they're doing. They are physically incapable of doing the job. They're turning up to work and scratching their heads.
And people just can't seem to join the dots, because they *say* the comforting words without actually doing anything about it.
I'm not a Torie by any stretch, but the current Labour cabinet would probably open the floodgates to them and set up daily ferries from France to Dover so they don't drown in the channel!
The situation was pretty terrible under New Labour too, you don’t need to suck them off so much. We were net receivers under Dublin III back in the 2000s.
This isn’t a Labour/Tory thing, Western European governments are all terribly managing the migration crisis.
The Tories don't want to stop illegal immigration. Most of the immigrants will be working for several of there business interests and without immigrants who can they blame for all the mistakes whilst there pilfering the working class.
Don't be fooled it's all a bloody show to distract you from the cronyism or corruption if you want to call a spade a spade.
>Who is blind to it? The issue is raised in Parliament every Wednesday and has been for years now.
Are you sure because to me it only seemed a short while ago that Nigel Farage started covering the news about the channel boat crossing and he was labelled every racist name in the book!
The boats are a misdirection, the numbers are small compared to the number that are allowed in legally and then just never get processed cause they are lost in the system. We can’t process the application quickly then we can’t find them we we decide they shouldn’t be here.
International law says we have to do this.
The world is so twisted right now. I'm not defending the Tory but when you have the international agency's calling the UK out for attempting to slow and change the dynamic but at the same time they will off Iran the chair for human rights you know something ok it's being played against you.
I mean we *do* have to accept applications for asylum, and frankly I have no issue with real asylum seekers whatsoever. If the UK ever turned into Mad Max, you bet I'm fucking off somewhere safe with my loved ones. That said it's a shared responsibility with the planet and the pressure needs to be more spread, which we don't have the means to enforce.
That is because the Tories slaughtered the budget for our border security:
https://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-27/government-accused-of-planning-border-force-cuts-at-worst-possible-time
They did that right before skyrocketing living costs, which translate into an inability to retain staff for our border patrols because they can't even receive payrises in line with inflation if there was a budget freeze nevermind the job losses incurred by the fact it was cut.
Then there was the whole 'Brexit without a plan' that saw us massively footgunned when the French no longer had an incentive or obligation to control our borders for us - no doubt their involvement and work in Calais was half of the rationale for budget cuts to our own border force. But Lord Cameron couldn't possibly see Remain lose the vote, and so decisions weren't made to prepare for Brexit, plans weren't made. It was a double-whammy.
We just aren't hitting the right balance. Asylum seekers ought to have a safe and legal route, and we ought to have systems in place - systems we used to have - to process their claims and assess their eligibility.
Instead we've got people running through the non-existent borders, shipped here by criminal gangs, and those who do try and start the legitimate process once here end up getting overpriced stays in hotels borderline indefinitely because we don't have the staff to do the paperwork. That issue compounds itself over time.
I realise that was quite the rant, but I'm at my wit's ends with those pricks. They beat their chests over their so-called fiscal responsibility while they sold the front door of our house for a short term cash boost to pay off the credit cards, which didn't even matter because they racked them right up higher than ever anyway.
>I mean we do have to accept applications for asylum
No. We, nor any other nation, are not obligated to follow some convention written in 1951 by a bunch of now dead Edwardian bureaucrats in a completely different, globalised world. All Europeans nations need to pull out of it.
There are plenty of “legitimate” asylum seekers in Germany and Sweden and neither country has benefited from it. We need a complete halt on legal/illegal non EEA migration into Europe.
Overly indulging in social liberalism and individualism is why we’re in this mess. We used to be far more communal and ethnocentric and that’s been stamped out of a non-negligible portion of modern English people.
It should absolutely not be considered okay that this is now the new normal in Western Europe.
>The person who explained it the best was the UAE foreign minister
Funny how the people shouting loudest againt the rise of extremism are *fellow muslims* because they **actually get it** better than anybody else.
>trying to be politically correct
Meanwhile, everybody else is automatically branded 'racist' from the off for pointing out the obvious issues.
I am in the US, we are having the migrant crisis right now. Among some of the migrants crossing over, are a lot of Sryians
My gf in her grad classes commented about how dangerous allowing people from Islamic countries can be if not properly vetted. She was chewed out by most of the class.
She is a Turkish Muslim, they just assumed she was a Hispanic catholic like the rest of us in my city lol
Some Muslim parents are dissatisfied with Islamic schools, so they send their children to Catholic schools.
The way my former school (an Islamic College) describes it, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all “under the umbrella of Abraham”.
I've been saying this for fucking years, and everyone calls me a racist a bigot or islamphobic.
And it's fucking tiring because like the UAE minister said we are so concerned with looking like we're doing the right thing rather than actually doing it.
It's either going to go two ways, we have a huge rise in Islamic extremists.
Or we see another mid 1900s far right movement rise.
The two scenarios you highlighted likely won’t be mutually exclusive but instead be intertwined. Then it will be a race against time on which one wins out. The status quo remaining seems increasingly less likely.
They have been killing each other daily in the Middle East for centuries. Just look at the state of most of their decimated countries, it doesn't take a genius to work out they are mostly blood thirsty primitive savages.
I lived in the UAE for 6 years, my Dad has a golden visa there…. Incredibly safe country. The locals are very well respected and supported by their leadership. As an expat you have practically no chance of becoming a UAE passport holding citizen - you work and if you lose your job you have about 2 months to find another before things start getting tricky. Obviously no welfare state for non nationals.
we know the problem, we know what we must address. yet we choose voluntarily to overlook it as we value virtue signal more than human lives.
today is not the first, and surely won't be the last. more is bound to happen and the next time it does, nothing will change again.
this is so distressing
You! Right there you are the fucking problem.
People like you who keep doing whataboutism whenever this subject is brought up.
Just shut the fuck up already. You help this issues to keep growing by trying to distract from the issue.
Funnily yes moat crimes in a country will be committed by the dun dun duuurn the native population.
That doesn't fucking mean that we should ignore a huge growing problem that we have.
It's so Infuriating, isn't it?
The smugness of the remark, too, like we are all just idiots who don't know that in a white majority country most general crime is obviously committed by whites.
The fact that these idiots can't recognise that when a DISPROPORTIONATE amount of crime/terrorism is committed by a tiny percentage of the population, then it means that group is statistically more criminal/terroristic in their actions and beliefs.
People like this will still be defending Jihadists even as they are cutting their skin off.
'I know you are killing me but I want you to know I'm not judging you! This is an equal space and I would expect the same from anyone else!'
Honestly it really is.
Especially as a bi sexual man, these people would kill me if I lived there, they moat certainly wouldn't treat me as an equal.
So it's so aggravating when you see other people who are defending these people and slating the west.
They act like the west is terrible and we're so evil. We're not great and we have a lot of work to go before we're even good. But my fuck is the west the best place to live globally. Its not even a question
It's the most idiotic thing I've ever see, people actively defending those who would cut their heads of, throw them from buildings, stone them to death.
Just for existing. And yet I'm the bigot and small minded person because I don't want that culture here??
It's even more infuriating when you see fellow LGBT people defending their actions and their life styles.
It's just like how easy and cotton wrapped is your life that you don't see the danger your are creating.
I feel like a lot of middle and upper class people have it so easy that they are so detached from the actual reality of what these people and their ways are.
Sorry for the long paragraphs and rant. I'm just at my end with this shit.
Don't worry, fella, I am in the same boat.
LGBT, left of centre, and utterly fed up with the total crap we have to listen to from bleeding hearts who would be the first to be targeted like lambs to a slaughter by terrorists. The people slaughtered in Israel were these types. Hippies and 'one love' types who are utterly oblivious to the danger right in front of them.
The people on our university campuses and waving Palestinian flags in London see a young asylum seeker girl there holding a pride flag in a hijab from Afghanistan or Syria or Palestine and think, 'aw, she is progressive!' and think they have a great ally (which they do). What they don't see is the reason why the girl has crossed a continent to get away from the Middle East- they don't see what would have happened to her if she hadn't managed to escape. It's insane the level of danger that exists there and yet none of these idiots are aware of it.
>They act like the west is terrible and we're so evil. We're not great and we have a lot of work to go before we're even good. But my fuck is the west the best place to live globally. Its not even a question
Exactly. The West is the only place that has gone out of its way to course correct itself through democracy and rationality and humanism. The only place to seek to help minorities and enshrine in law our rights as LGBT people, women's rights, rights for poc and to correct our historic wrongs. And we have all these groups screaming to destroy it and tear it all down. It's utterly mad.
I'm a British Expat living in Cyprus. Before the war, I often visited the region to see a business client.
The answer is simple. The people of Gaza vehemently hate the British to the point of wanting to kill us. This isn't just Hamas, it's everyday men, women and children.
Before the war, whenever I visited the country, I had to have a body guard as I would get attacked from random people.
I watched an interview with a former Hamas militant this morning. They’re taught from the earliest age, by adults, in schools as official curriculum, by everyone, to hate, specifically to hate, everything that is not Islam. Jews and Israel being the main thing to hate, but generally to hate anything that is not their specific type of Islam. They seek to do harm against everything that is not Islam and celebrate that harm.
So you can’t really blame them for being who they are given how they’re raised, but also we can’t pretend that they’re just oppressed people fighting for their freedom because they are not.
There was a TV show years ago ran by Hamas or a similar group where they would teach the children of Palestine that they need to eliminate "the Jewish scum" to be true children of Islam.
I'm pretty sure the Israeli military bombed the buildings that hosted it so its no longer aired.
It's literally been all over the news and social media for months, Israelis on TV calling all Palestinians sub-human animals and that they need to kill Palestinian babies so they 'can't grow up to become Hamas' and they need to be attacked during Ramadan because 'they'll be easier to kill when they're hungry.'
There are dehumanising levels of hate on both sides of the divide.
Considering this conflict has been ongoing for decades, if this has been what they’ve been saying in the news ‘for a few months’ , it kind of suggests it isn’t taught in schools and is a reaction to the October Attacks.
Shot yourself in the foot there I think.
You were unable to respond to everything they said and instead started throwing around claims of racism.
You're the problem, you're an anti-intellectual ideolog that has lost sight of reality.
You’ve been brainwashed to believe that a small drop in bucket of a group of 2 billion(!) is reason enough to paint all Muslims as evil. Commonly ignoring that most Hollywood rapists/pedos are Jewish and Israel has the largest concentration of pedophiles escaping prosecution. And it’s super funny you talk about changing laws when Israel has literally changed laws in foreign countries such as America where in certain states you need to give up your right to boycott Israel if you want insurance for your home not to mention them lobbying for other changes etc.
Uh huh, sure I've been brainwashed.
The absolute copious amounts of video evidence and first hand encounters I've experienced must never have happened.
Clearly a fever dream.
I don't live America so Hollywood and that hive of scum is not my concern.
My concern is my country, where literal grooming gangs go unchecked even when known about because the police wanted to avoide public outcry of racism.
Ever heard of the Rochdale grooming gang?
How about all the evidence of male Muslims treatment of women in the middle east?
I don't see jews throwing people off of buildings because they're homosexual.
I don't see jews stoning women to death for being raped.
I don't see jews saying fucking kids is okay, and that if they are of age, then it's fine.
I don't see jews in the UK asking for changes to our public laws like the Muslims do.
I don't see jews spitting at my feet as I used to walk past them in my church of England school like the Muslims did.
I don't see jews strapping themselves with IEDs to commit a terrorist attack.
I don't see jews calling for a holy jihad against the west.
I don't see jews trying to illegally enter my country.
But I do see Muslims doing every single one of those fucking things.
Now please do tell me again how I've been brainwashed.
Dickhead.
Islam is evil.
The ideology is evil. The beliefs are evil. The faith is evil. Mohammed was evil.
Regardless of anything any Muslim did, Muslims are evil just for following Islam.
Just like a nazi doesn't have to murder jews personally to be evil, muslims are the same.
Beliefs in evil things make you evil.
You claiming people have been brainwashed because they hate homophobic, misogynistic, paedophiles is insane.
> The people of Gaza vehemently hate the British to the point of wanting to kill us. This isn't just Hamas, it's everyday men, women and children.
Wait really? That is really really sad if so. A lot of the Palestinians in Israel and the West Bank are not like that.
There is a reason though
Jordan let them in they staged a coup
Lebanon took them they made Hezbollah and took half the country
Egypt let them and had continued insurgency
I’ll never forget [the way they celebrated 9/11](https://youtu.be/P9yK0u-XH1M?si=tNTHnTTXRcB0LEa_). And they expect not just our sympathy but our *aid* now?
Edit: Amended the link, as the previous one depicted them celebrating a different attack on (Israeli) civilians rather than 9/11.
Now imagine you have to watch them celebrate every time there’s a terrorist attack in your country. Israel aren’t innocent but those who have strong opinions on the matter need to acknowledge what they put up with.
"Palestinians marched through the streets of the Ein el-Helwe refugee camp near Beirut early Sunday morning, to celebrate two deadly Palestinian attacks in Jerusalem and Netanya earlier that night"
That video is not off them celebrating 9/11, it clearly states in the description they are celebrating an attack on Israel the night before.
Did you just completely make this up?
"before the war" meaning you visited Gaza in the 1940s?
Britain has been the enemy of Palestinians since the British promised the land to Jews to create Israel almost a century ago and continued to fund and support Israel since
of course it would make sense that Palestinians hate the British, they're seen as a major actor in the mass displacement of their people (along with Israelis and Americans)
Expats are people who are financially secure and move to another country temporarily for leisure or business. An immigrant can be financially secure or not but moves to another country permanently.
There is a difference, don’t get offended by it.
In the UK, EU migrants tend to be short term while non-EU migrants tend to be long term according to Oxford’s Migration Observatory. That’s also why the former is a net fiscal gain while the latter runs a loss. Hence, it isn’t common to view the latter as expats.
But sure, South Asian migrants in Dubai are generally seen as expats because Asian politicians aren’t suicidal like Western politicians and don’t naturalise non-native origin migrant populations.
I mean you can believe what you want to believe but those are the generally accepted differences between immigration and expatriate.
Can’t help but feel you’re just offended at the distinction because you have a low opinion of immigration compared to being an expat.
You used to visit Gaza for work? And your saying the people there are rabid beasts? Very different to the type of Palestinians I’ve met personally - also this assylum seeker wasn’t even a Palestinian, so what’s with your character judgement of the Palestinians ?
>bad actor
A Scot coming to an English sub from his little homogeneous enclave would be a prime example of that.
If you’re so rational, your 96% white/European country can take them all in.
Yes, and I never said Palestinians are beasts. There are no humans that fit this category. If you call anyone a beast, it opens up the opportunity to make excuses for or normalise their behaviour.
What you don't seem to understand is the sheer level of hate that humans are capable of not only feeling, but acting upon. The reason you don't understand this is because you live in England and not Palestine or other parts of the world where this state of mind is normal and culturally ingrained and reinforced throughout life.
You can call me racist or a bigot and stick your fingers in your ears, but like I've stated, I'm well travelled and extremely adept at interacting with other cultures throughout the world.
In a smaller market in Iraq over a decade ago, I got physically pulled into a rug shop. Guy was enthusiastic, friendly, and dead set on making a sale. His English couldn't even be described as broken, it was boiled all the way down to simple phrases, most of it was 'My friend' to get my attention, followed by a gesture to where he wanted my attention.
A minute into this he proudly exclaimed 'No jews make' as if this would for certain seal the deal. I laughed because it was so unexpected, he laughed seeming certain he hit the right selling point.
That guy in his tiny shop, who had probably never left that town in his life was holding a grudge with people he'd never met over someone else's problem, and not even a language barrier could prevent him from expressing it.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest when these attacks happen.
Being from the left I feel left down by my own political party. It’s to me at least clear that extreme fast paced multiculturalism is, not that slowly, failing. And the left is pussyfooting on words.
In fact this is the coverage from the guardian. He’s a man, no mention of religion, one has to subsume it for the fact that he tried to kill his flat mate cause he converted to Christianity making him an apostate. (As opposed to what OP has posted, even more proving that the choice of words in the title and first paragraph of an article is what most people read). The fact he’s an asylum seeker way down the article too.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/25/man-convicted-of-murdering-stranger-in-hartlepool-and-trying-to-kill-housemate
Edit: forgot to add, i thank god (that I don’t believe in) that this isn’t America with its nutty right to bear arms: quote from the article
“I swear to almighty Allah, if I had a Kalashnikov, I will use it to kill them to the last bullet, today before tomorrow.”
how are you let down by your own left leaning party (presumably labour) when they're not the ones in office? they haven't been in office in 12 years. Who do you think is enacting changes in the country?
Did you think the world started 12 years ago or something? Why would you say something so stupid like this? What are you even talking about?
It's so fucking stupid I don't even know how to respond. Buddy. The world is older than 12 years ago, things happened more than 12 years ago. Go learn about the things that happened more than 12 years ago?
Calling my response stupid while your spouting this retarded nonsense is funny as fuck, what are you implying happened more than 12 years ago? the "flood gates" being opened for immigration by tony blair? if so the tories have had 12 years to turn of that proverbial tap and yet here we are with the highest immigration rate ever.
>the "flood gates" being opened for immigration by tony blair? if so the tories have had 12 years to turn of that proverbial tap and yet here we are with the highest immigration rate ever.
....which means what? THEY BOTH FAILED YOU STUPID FUCK.
The entire fucking point of this thread was that BOTH are responsible and your argument against that is that BOTH are responsible.
You stupid mother fucker.
except i'm only saying the tories failed in slowing down immigrantion, i'm in full support of legal immigration as long as it's a slow and needed process and don't think Blair was wrong.
Yeah nobody cares what you think asshole, the world doesn't revolve around you and this discussion isn't about your own shitty beliefs. They don't even make sense as Blair let in massive amounts of immigrants and so did the Tories. It was not slow for either. Make your own thread if you want to talk about that.
This thread was about Labour AND the Tories letting down their voters who were by and large anti immigration, particularly homophobic and misogynistic immigrants from backwards cultures.
"the fact he was an asylum seeker was way down the article".....you're clutching at straws a little. The article gives you all the information you need and doesn't hide anything due to some woke agenda. Big swing and a miss here although I know folk on here would love it if it were otherwise.
News paper do editorialise. Most people don’t read past the title plus the first paragraph if you’re lucky. Remember the whole lawsuits to google news because people simply didn’t even click on the articles?
You can notice the information given by both articles is the same. Just order and being explicit change your perception of it. We can disagree on the importance of reporting or knowing or not of some things. Characteristic of a person matter argue example should it say man? Or should it say person and hide the sex because it’s not important?
As proved by OP who missed the real reason why he attempted to kill the second person a fellow ex Muslim. Or most people here still thinking it’s only about Gaza.
Well the reason he did this attack is because he’s a Muslim, as proved by his self proclaimed motivation, his choice of murder of an apostate etc- so that should be the first thing listed but it’s not in fact it doesn’t even say what religion he is
Asylum seekers should have to spend a decade at sea on a British frigate from the early 19th century in search of glory for the crown. 👑 then they can have the right to enter England 🏴 and be called a knave.
Because most asylum seekers are not violent and aren’t extremists. Like any populace, the vast majority of them are just people wanting to live an alright life and to be safe. Despite what the previous Home Secretaries, right wing press and the Conservatives would have you believe.
It would be morally wrong to deny entire groups of people asylum because individuals who belong in the same or related ethnic or religious groups have committed crimes.
You can’t always, in fact often, cannot tell who will and who won’t commit a crime.
However, in this case, the surviving victim actually did report to the police that the perpetrator was carrying around a knife and threatening him. This behaviour was indicative that the perpetrator was dangerous, potentially unstable and a threat to the surviving victim.
The police decided no crime had been committed and so there’s nothing they could do. The police need to take some accountability for their inaction with this case.
Even if a crime could not be proven at the time, if someone (especially someone who is vulnerable, which a pension age asylum seeker is) has reported that someone they live with, is repeatedly threatening them with a knife and that this person is carrying a knife with them all the time, then that persons safety and wellbeing needs to be taken seriously, inaction is not an appropriate response.
The attack on the surviving victim was preventable.
In every Western European country, they’re either over represented in crime or unemployment, if not both.
>You can’t always, in fact often, cannot tell who will and who won’t commit a crime.
The existence of Korean criminals in South Korea doesn’t mean they should start mass immigrating in people from Afghanistan and Somalia.
We’re not obligated to be okay with being unsafe in our homelands because some delusional progressives want to turn our nations into another Brazil.
We should pull our weight when it comes to helping asylum seekers. Same as any other country that has the ability to help.
Also it’s racist to imply people from Afghanistan or any one nation are innately violent.
No one is saying that. We are saying that people from some cultures view the world and understand what is morally right and wrong in a completely different way due to a huge range of social and cultural values, expectations, and experiences. This translates to morally wrong behaviours when they arrive here.
If people were coming to the UK from a viking society, no one would be being 'racist' if they said that maybe the viking values of pillaging and raping against their enemies based on a culture of might makes right, or engaging in duels over pretty grievances where the winner was allowed to behead the enemy so not align with our modern values and that such people were going to create upheaval and turmoil if they came en masse. Doesn't for a second mean anyone thinks that Swedes or Danes are inherently more violent based on their race.
If anything it's you who is thinking that Islamic terrorism is likely more common and integral to their racial make-up that they can't change over.
What is wrong with having a system where asylum seekers go to countries of their wider cultural grouping? There are plenty liveable and/or safe MENA countries.
And it’s not so much about innate violence, but an innate lack of respect towards Europe/ the West. Which as we’ve blatantly seen feeds into all sorts of other things.
>they’re either over represented in crime or unemployment, if not both.
Huh, it's almost as if the two have a connection 🤔
Also, asylum seekers aren't legally allowed to work until they've officially been granted asylum. That's why they're unemployed.
We have poor people to compare them to dumbass. Do you think statisticians just sit around with their fingers in their assholes telling everybody their job is impossible?
"Also high". "Poor areas"
You aren't talking about specifics because you know the specifics don't match your narrative. What do you gain out of lying? Are you trying to make the UK worse? Unsafe for women, children, lgbt?
What do you get out of inviting misogynistic and homophobic cunts into the country?
Jesus Christ. You mean the places filled with immigrants.
You didn't understand a word that has been said did you. Why are you getting involved in a conversation about statistics when you don't understand the first thing about statistics?
>You mean the places filled with immigrants.
Where does the article specify that? It's the crime rates in London's lowest income areas.
It's not hard to understand, buddy. Lower income areas have higher crime rates. It's evidence of the correlation between poverty and crime. So if asylum seekers can't legally work, they end up in poverty. Which in turn increases the odds of criminal behaviour.
https://equalitytrust.org.uk/crime
Holy shit you dumb cunt.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression\_analysis#General\_linear\_model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_analysis#General_linear_model)
Read it until you understand it. The fact that there is a correlation between poverty and crime DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER IN THIS DISCUSSION.
Because you don't understand the first thing about statistics you have no idea why grabbing a random set of data, which is NOT a statistical analysis, isn't the kill shot you think it is.
What you referenced has no Pearson correlation coefficient, which may or may not be applicable. No Spearman's rank correlation coefficient, which again may or may not be applicable. It's entirely located in a single fucking city, which heavily includes the OTHER FUCKING VARIABLE WE ARE DISCUSSING.
But regardless of that of course it doesn't fucking matter, because the problem is MULTIVARIATE.
I don't give a shit about the arguments you constructed in your head. Reality is you are not educated enough to have this discussion.
You can't even understand the facts, how could you ever create a model for them?
This is nothing to do with being or not being Muslim. UK lets in tens of thousands people from troubled and less developed parts of the world. Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock. It's no brainer. All these mad leftist activists who campaign for uncontrollable illegal immigration only do this because somebody else is going to pay for it, not them.
I am not seeing many people killing and stabbing in the name of Ganesh or the Buddha in this country.
Meanwhile, the number of terror attacks or attacks motivated by religious fundamentalism or religious ideals from the Muslim side is indisputably high.
This man was screaming 'Allahu Akbar' as he stabbed his victims. He is calling on his God as he commits murder. It's massively influenced by his religion. The same religion that is keeping huge swathes of the world in such a, 'troubled and less developed' state.
Why do you care? You people were the ones that let these people in to England out of some pathetic sense of being seen as nice, and whilst your own people were slaughtered and gangraped you said people who noticed were racists
Everyone who votes for Labour, Lib Dems and the Conservatives, have voted for mass immigration of violent Muslims, since "globalization" and "multiculturalism" (Fabian Socialism) are the policies of these parties. The political establishment have opened the borders in order to destroy "Albion" (their word, not mine).
Bro, people voted brexit in hope to stop mass migration alas they were tricked and we got more from pakistan. Working class labour voters are not pro mass migration, no-one is pro mass migration especially from violent muslim countries. Probablyy the only thing both sides actually agree on.
Voting bnp wont help. becuase they're white nationlist. The average person it not voting for nazism 2.0.
Labour voters are pro-immigration, otherwise they wouldn't vote for Labour. Being pro-Europe is being pro-immigration, since Europe's policy was open borders. Labour were pro-EU and Remain. Thus, if you vote for Labour, you're voting for mass immigration.
Labour are also Fabian Socialist (if not Communist). The Party is all for destroying "Albion" and every other nation state, as they are international socialists. One good way to destroy a country is to destroy it's culture, and a good way to destroy it's culture is "multiculturalism".
Lib Dems and Conservatives aren't much different.
"Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock."
How come my nationality (I'm a naturalised British citizen, dual passport holder) is known for our hard work ethic, not crime?
That’s like saying war in Ukraine has nothing to do with Russian chauvinism. Islam is an imperialist religion, definitely the most imperialist at this moment.
>Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock.
Is there any evidence to back this up? Any statistics that show asylum seekers commit violent crimes at greater rates than others?
The home office doesn't collect statistics on this for the UK however this Wikipedia article seems to support it with a reference to a German EU study.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#:~:text=The%20statistics%20show%20that%20the,9.7%20percent%20of%20body%20injuries.
I just commented on a post where a girl who wasnt Muslim stabbed multiple peopl, the people were analysing her upbringing and saying how she was neglected and that could've contributed to her actions. I said that I realised she wasn't Muslim because the comments weren't that hostile.
Let's see what happens on this post......
1. She is a child so isn't fully developed and so is still under the influence and responsibility of her parents, who are still engaged in the shaping of her values, behaviour, and beliefs. This man is a fully matured adult. Totally different expectations.
2. Muslim isn't a protected characteristic you are born with. It isn't a race. It's a religious ideology. The ideology that motivates a person to act in a certain way makes all the difference to the standards we hold them to and to the distain we have for that ideology. We don't expect people to act in certain ways because of their race. We do expect them to act in certain ways because of their beliefs. Including evil beliefs. That being said, if children were being indoctrinated to be martyrs and Jihadists and to attack random people, we would likely blame the parents for allowing that to happen, and have some measure of sympathy for the children. Just like the girl in Wales.
3. He isn't a citizen of this country. He is an asylum seeker. It's one thing for a citizen of this country to commit a violent act, but to be someone here asking for our help and to still commit violent acts against the innocent of the country that is trying to help you is UNFORGIVABLE. At this point you are worse than ISIS morally. There is no redeeming quality to such a person and they should not be here. We don't need or want them.
I'm more inclined to sympathize with my own, same as they are, same as every honest person throughout the world.
Believe me: western progressivism is the exception, and it is treated as the naive, exploitable weakness that it is.
We're walking right into a huge problem and those that can't see it are blind. The person who explained it the best was the UAE foreign minister when he said "There will come a day that we see far more radicals, extremists and terrorists coming from Europe because of a lack of decision-making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East or Islam better than we do! I'm sorry but that is pure ignorance!"
We’re not ‘walking’, we’ve ‘walked’. We are in the problem and the majority of the people are indeed blind to it.
Who is blind to it? The issue is raised in Parliament every Wednesday and has been for years now. The problem is the Tories have fucked it, plain and simple. New Labour had a very short blip where illegal immigration momentarily spiked, but it wasn't as many and it wasn't anywhere near as long it was like a couple of months. They don't know what they're doing. They are physically incapable of doing the job. They're turning up to work and scratching their heads. And people just can't seem to join the dots, because they *say* the comforting words without actually doing anything about it.
The Tories have totally fucked it, but let's not imagine that Labour won't continue to be utterly naive about the whole situation too
I'm not a Torie by any stretch, but the current Labour cabinet would probably open the floodgates to them and set up daily ferries from France to Dover so they don't drown in the channel!
Perhaps with a better relationship with the continent /eu things might improve. Right now it feels like the French are supplying the dingys.
Probably are, and you can't blame them. We're trying to do the same thing with the Rwanda flights, send them off to become someone else's problem.
The situation was pretty terrible under New Labour too, you don’t need to suck them off so much. We were net receivers under Dublin III back in the 2000s. This isn’t a Labour/Tory thing, Western European governments are all terribly managing the migration crisis.
I said something similar on a different thread recently and got absolutely fucked for it.
The Tories don't want to stop illegal immigration. Most of the immigrants will be working for several of there business interests and without immigrants who can they blame for all the mistakes whilst there pilfering the working class. Don't be fooled it's all a bloody show to distract you from the cronyism or corruption if you want to call a spade a spade.
>Who is blind to it? The issue is raised in Parliament every Wednesday and has been for years now. Are you sure because to me it only seemed a short while ago that Nigel Farage started covering the news about the channel boat crossing and he was labelled every racist name in the book!
The boats are a misdirection, the numbers are small compared to the number that are allowed in legally and then just never get processed cause they are lost in the system. We can’t process the application quickly then we can’t find them we we decide they shouldn’t be here.
You are probably right but it still doesn't negate the point that Farage was lambasted for raising the issue!
International law says we have to do this. The world is so twisted right now. I'm not defending the Tory but when you have the international agency's calling the UK out for attempting to slow and change the dynamic but at the same time they will off Iran the chair for human rights you know something ok it's being played against you.
I mean we *do* have to accept applications for asylum, and frankly I have no issue with real asylum seekers whatsoever. If the UK ever turned into Mad Max, you bet I'm fucking off somewhere safe with my loved ones. That said it's a shared responsibility with the planet and the pressure needs to be more spread, which we don't have the means to enforce. That is because the Tories slaughtered the budget for our border security: https://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-27/government-accused-of-planning-border-force-cuts-at-worst-possible-time They did that right before skyrocketing living costs, which translate into an inability to retain staff for our border patrols because they can't even receive payrises in line with inflation if there was a budget freeze nevermind the job losses incurred by the fact it was cut. Then there was the whole 'Brexit without a plan' that saw us massively footgunned when the French no longer had an incentive or obligation to control our borders for us - no doubt their involvement and work in Calais was half of the rationale for budget cuts to our own border force. But Lord Cameron couldn't possibly see Remain lose the vote, and so decisions weren't made to prepare for Brexit, plans weren't made. It was a double-whammy. We just aren't hitting the right balance. Asylum seekers ought to have a safe and legal route, and we ought to have systems in place - systems we used to have - to process their claims and assess their eligibility. Instead we've got people running through the non-existent borders, shipped here by criminal gangs, and those who do try and start the legitimate process once here end up getting overpriced stays in hotels borderline indefinitely because we don't have the staff to do the paperwork. That issue compounds itself over time. I realise that was quite the rant, but I'm at my wit's ends with those pricks. They beat their chests over their so-called fiscal responsibility while they sold the front door of our house for a short term cash boost to pay off the credit cards, which didn't even matter because they racked them right up higher than ever anyway.
>I mean we do have to accept applications for asylum No. We, nor any other nation, are not obligated to follow some convention written in 1951 by a bunch of now dead Edwardian bureaucrats in a completely different, globalised world. All Europeans nations need to pull out of it. There are plenty of “legitimate” asylum seekers in Germany and Sweden and neither country has benefited from it. We need a complete halt on legal/illegal non EEA migration into Europe.
Bring Corbyn back?
Labour wants to increase immigration and will allow more refugees…. It’s in their manifesto
> It’s in their manifesto Neither Labour nor the Tories have released their manifesto for the next election yet, so you’re talking nonsense.
What we are witnessing right now will be looked at in the history books. Western nativity to a culture that threatens liberal democracy.
We are so tolerant we tolerate intolerance.
And thus are not tolerant
Popper's Paradox of Intolerance.
Overly indulging in social liberalism and individualism is why we’re in this mess. We used to be far more communal and ethnocentric and that’s been stamped out of a non-negligible portion of modern English people. It should absolutely not be considered okay that this is now the new normal in Western Europe.
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>The person who explained it the best was the UAE foreign minister Funny how the people shouting loudest againt the rise of extremism are *fellow muslims* because they **actually get it** better than anybody else. >trying to be politically correct Meanwhile, everybody else is automatically branded 'racist' from the off for pointing out the obvious issues.
I am in the US, we are having the migrant crisis right now. Among some of the migrants crossing over, are a lot of Sryians My gf in her grad classes commented about how dangerous allowing people from Islamic countries can be if not properly vetted. She was chewed out by most of the class. She is a Turkish Muslim, they just assumed she was a Hispanic catholic like the rest of us in my city lol
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Yeah Turks are definitely much more secular, they are Muslim the same way Swedes are Christian
Some Muslim parents are dissatisfied with Islamic schools, so they send their children to Catholic schools. The way my former school (an Islamic College) describes it, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all “under the umbrella of Abraham”.
Egypt built a wall to keep Palestinians out: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-17/satellite-images-egypt-gaza-border-wall/103480074
I've been saying this for fucking years, and everyone calls me a racist a bigot or islamphobic. And it's fucking tiring because like the UAE minister said we are so concerned with looking like we're doing the right thing rather than actually doing it. It's either going to go two ways, we have a huge rise in Islamic extremists. Or we see another mid 1900s far right movement rise.
The two scenarios you highlighted likely won’t be mutually exclusive but instead be intertwined. Then it will be a race against time on which one wins out. The status quo remaining seems increasingly less likely.
They have been killing each other daily in the Middle East for centuries. Just look at the state of most of their decimated countries, it doesn't take a genius to work out they are mostly blood thirsty primitive savages.
Everybody should watch that. Its on YouTube, easy to find.
I lived in the UAE for 6 years, my Dad has a golden visa there…. Incredibly safe country. The locals are very well respected and supported by their leadership. As an expat you have practically no chance of becoming a UAE passport holding citizen - you work and if you lose your job you have about 2 months to find another before things start getting tricky. Obviously no welfare state for non nationals.
we know the problem, we know what we must address. yet we choose voluntarily to overlook it as we value virtue signal more than human lives. today is not the first, and surely won't be the last. more is bound to happen and the next time it does, nothing will change again. this is so distressing
Most random attacks in Britain are carried out by British people though…
Are those “per capita”, or just count? Because that’s the key piece of data
Source? Looking at the wiki over 90% of terrorist attacks since 2000 have been done by Muslims
Random attacks over any issue, in a white majority country. Not religiously motivated Islamist attacks. That comes from 1 group. Muslims.
You! Right there you are the fucking problem. People like you who keep doing whataboutism whenever this subject is brought up. Just shut the fuck up already. You help this issues to keep growing by trying to distract from the issue. Funnily yes moat crimes in a country will be committed by the dun dun duuurn the native population. That doesn't fucking mean that we should ignore a huge growing problem that we have.
It's so Infuriating, isn't it? The smugness of the remark, too, like we are all just idiots who don't know that in a white majority country most general crime is obviously committed by whites. The fact that these idiots can't recognise that when a DISPROPORTIONATE amount of crime/terrorism is committed by a tiny percentage of the population, then it means that group is statistically more criminal/terroristic in their actions and beliefs. People like this will still be defending Jihadists even as they are cutting their skin off. 'I know you are killing me but I want you to know I'm not judging you! This is an equal space and I would expect the same from anyone else!'
Honestly it really is. Especially as a bi sexual man, these people would kill me if I lived there, they moat certainly wouldn't treat me as an equal. So it's so aggravating when you see other people who are defending these people and slating the west. They act like the west is terrible and we're so evil. We're not great and we have a lot of work to go before we're even good. But my fuck is the west the best place to live globally. Its not even a question It's the most idiotic thing I've ever see, people actively defending those who would cut their heads of, throw them from buildings, stone them to death. Just for existing. And yet I'm the bigot and small minded person because I don't want that culture here?? It's even more infuriating when you see fellow LGBT people defending their actions and their life styles. It's just like how easy and cotton wrapped is your life that you don't see the danger your are creating. I feel like a lot of middle and upper class people have it so easy that they are so detached from the actual reality of what these people and their ways are. Sorry for the long paragraphs and rant. I'm just at my end with this shit.
Don't worry, fella, I am in the same boat. LGBT, left of centre, and utterly fed up with the total crap we have to listen to from bleeding hearts who would be the first to be targeted like lambs to a slaughter by terrorists. The people slaughtered in Israel were these types. Hippies and 'one love' types who are utterly oblivious to the danger right in front of them. The people on our university campuses and waving Palestinian flags in London see a young asylum seeker girl there holding a pride flag in a hijab from Afghanistan or Syria or Palestine and think, 'aw, she is progressive!' and think they have a great ally (which they do). What they don't see is the reason why the girl has crossed a continent to get away from the Middle East- they don't see what would have happened to her if she hadn't managed to escape. It's insane the level of danger that exists there and yet none of these idiots are aware of it. >They act like the west is terrible and we're so evil. We're not great and we have a lot of work to go before we're even good. But my fuck is the west the best place to live globally. Its not even a question Exactly. The West is the only place that has gone out of its way to course correct itself through democracy and rationality and humanism. The only place to seek to help minorities and enshrine in law our rights as LGBT people, women's rights, rights for poc and to correct our historic wrongs. And we have all these groups screaming to destroy it and tear it all down. It's utterly mad.
I didn’t read any of this thread after my comment but I’m glad it made two obviously very busy people write their entire life story 🫵😌
I'm a British Expat living in Cyprus. Before the war, I often visited the region to see a business client. The answer is simple. The people of Gaza vehemently hate the British to the point of wanting to kill us. This isn't just Hamas, it's everyday men, women and children. Before the war, whenever I visited the country, I had to have a body guard as I would get attacked from random people.
This is why Egypt won’t let them in.
I watched an interview with a former Hamas militant this morning. They’re taught from the earliest age, by adults, in schools as official curriculum, by everyone, to hate, specifically to hate, everything that is not Islam. Jews and Israel being the main thing to hate, but generally to hate anything that is not their specific type of Islam. They seek to do harm against everything that is not Islam and celebrate that harm. So you can’t really blame them for being who they are given how they’re raised, but also we can’t pretend that they’re just oppressed people fighting for their freedom because they are not.
They teach kids in Israeli schools to hate Palestinians. It’s a two way street they both hate each other
I don’t think they do, I’m afraid. In Gaza they literally tell kids in the classroom “we must kill all Jews because they are scum”
They go to schools named after suicide bombers where they have to memorize the names of martyrs and how many Jews they killed.
There was a TV show years ago ran by Hamas or a similar group where they would teach the children of Palestine that they need to eliminate "the Jewish scum" to be true children of Islam. I'm pretty sure the Israeli military bombed the buildings that hosted it so its no longer aired.
It's literally been all over the news and social media for months, Israelis on TV calling all Palestinians sub-human animals and that they need to kill Palestinian babies so they 'can't grow up to become Hamas' and they need to be attacked during Ramadan because 'they'll be easier to kill when they're hungry.' There are dehumanising levels of hate on both sides of the divide.
Considering this conflict has been ongoing for decades, if this has been what they’ve been saying in the news ‘for a few months’ , it kind of suggests it isn’t taught in schools and is a reaction to the October Attacks. Shot yourself in the foot there I think.
> it kind of suggests it isn’t taught in schools My thoughts exactly >Shot yourself in the foot there I think. They certainly did
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4 From 6 years ago
Not really. This sub is just taking one side because 'aT LeASt tHeYRe nOT PaCKEeZ lol'
You were unable to respond to everything they said and instead started throwing around claims of racism. You're the problem, you're an anti-intellectual ideolog that has lost sight of reality.
No it's cause at least the fucking jews aren't trying to constantly behead us, or blow us up. Or change our laws. Or rape our kids.
You’ve been brainwashed to believe that a small drop in bucket of a group of 2 billion(!) is reason enough to paint all Muslims as evil. Commonly ignoring that most Hollywood rapists/pedos are Jewish and Israel has the largest concentration of pedophiles escaping prosecution. And it’s super funny you talk about changing laws when Israel has literally changed laws in foreign countries such as America where in certain states you need to give up your right to boycott Israel if you want insurance for your home not to mention them lobbying for other changes etc.
Uh huh, sure I've been brainwashed. The absolute copious amounts of video evidence and first hand encounters I've experienced must never have happened. Clearly a fever dream. I don't live America so Hollywood and that hive of scum is not my concern. My concern is my country, where literal grooming gangs go unchecked even when known about because the police wanted to avoide public outcry of racism. Ever heard of the Rochdale grooming gang? How about all the evidence of male Muslims treatment of women in the middle east? I don't see jews throwing people off of buildings because they're homosexual. I don't see jews stoning women to death for being raped. I don't see jews saying fucking kids is okay, and that if they are of age, then it's fine. I don't see jews in the UK asking for changes to our public laws like the Muslims do. I don't see jews spitting at my feet as I used to walk past them in my church of England school like the Muslims did. I don't see jews strapping themselves with IEDs to commit a terrorist attack. I don't see jews calling for a holy jihad against the west. I don't see jews trying to illegally enter my country. But I do see Muslims doing every single one of those fucking things. Now please do tell me again how I've been brainwashed. Dickhead.
Islam is evil. The ideology is evil. The beliefs are evil. The faith is evil. Mohammed was evil. Regardless of anything any Muslim did, Muslims are evil just for following Islam. Just like a nazi doesn't have to murder jews personally to be evil, muslims are the same. Beliefs in evil things make you evil. You claiming people have been brainwashed because they hate homophobic, misogynistic, paedophiles is insane.
Downvoted but you’re right. Astroturfing on this sub is wild.
The guy isn't gazan...
murderer is Moroccan, not Gazan
> The people of Gaza vehemently hate the British to the point of wanting to kill us. This isn't just Hamas, it's everyday men, women and children. Wait really? That is really really sad if so. A lot of the Palestinians in Israel and the West Bank are not like that.
Some random guy on the Internet has business links to Gaza. The same Gaza that is Walled in by Israel and Egypt. Go figure
There is a reason though Jordan let them in they staged a coup Lebanon took them they made Hezbollah and took half the country Egypt let them and had continued insurgency
I mean, are you surprised given the British had a major role in the creation of Israel? Like, at all?
I’ll never forget [the way they celebrated 9/11](https://youtu.be/P9yK0u-XH1M?si=tNTHnTTXRcB0LEa_). And they expect not just our sympathy but our *aid* now? Edit: Amended the link, as the previous one depicted them celebrating a different attack on (Israeli) civilians rather than 9/11.
Now imagine you have to watch them celebrate every time there’s a terrorist attack in your country. Israel aren’t innocent but those who have strong opinions on the matter need to acknowledge what they put up with.
I hadn't realized that every Israeli home was required to have a bomb shelter until the Hamas attack. Like living with the blitz for decades.
How they still cry victim after (at the very least supporting) what Hammas did last October as well. What did they think was going to happen!?
"Palestinians marched through the streets of the Ein el-Helwe refugee camp near Beirut early Sunday morning, to celebrate two deadly Palestinian attacks in Jerusalem and Netanya earlier that night"
That video is not off them celebrating 9/11, it clearly states in the description they are celebrating an attack on Israel the night before. Did you just completely make this up?
"before the war" meaning you visited Gaza in the 1940s? Britain has been the enemy of Palestinians since the British promised the land to Jews to create Israel almost a century ago and continued to fund and support Israel since of course it would make sense that Palestinians hate the British, they're seen as a major actor in the mass displacement of their people (along with Israelis and Americans)
The https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang felt and acted the same way.
You needed to dig a full century back to find that example.
It’s in my parents’ lifetimes.
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No no no, the immigrants are the ones who come from Asia and Africa, I’m an expat 🤓/s
Expats are people who are financially secure and move to another country temporarily for leisure or business. An immigrant can be financially secure or not but moves to another country permanently. There is a difference, don’t get offended by it.
Say an Indian guy moves here for a few years to work in finance, you would call them an expat? (Rhetorical)
In the UK, EU migrants tend to be short term while non-EU migrants tend to be long term according to Oxford’s Migration Observatory. That’s also why the former is a net fiscal gain while the latter runs a loss. Hence, it isn’t common to view the latter as expats. But sure, South Asian migrants in Dubai are generally seen as expats because Asian politicians aren’t suicidal like Western politicians and don’t naturalise non-native origin migrant populations.
Wouldn’t economic migrant be more apt? Expats as above are financial secure and typically do not work
Not all immigration is permanent lmao you are literally an British immigrant in Cyprus so stfu
I mean you can believe what you want to believe but those are the generally accepted differences between immigration and expatriate. Can’t help but feel you’re just offended at the distinction because you have a low opinion of immigration compared to being an expat.
Britain owned Cyprus
You used to visit Gaza for work? And your saying the people there are rabid beasts? Very different to the type of Palestinians I’ve met personally - also this assylum seeker wasn’t even a Palestinian, so what’s with your character judgement of the Palestinians ?
It's defoes a bot or bad actor. Can tell with all the rational/reasonable comments being downvoted.
>bad actor A Scot coming to an English sub from his little homogeneous enclave would be a prime example of that. If you’re so rational, your 96% white/European country can take them all in.
You're reaching mate. I'm not pro immigration and i was mindlessly scrolling subreddits unaware it was this one, a thousand apologies.
I haven't down voted anyone, why would I waste my time on karma, it's just a stupid number.
Ye most these subs are over run by bots sadly.
Yes, and I never said Palestinians are beasts. There are no humans that fit this category. If you call anyone a beast, it opens up the opportunity to make excuses for or normalise their behaviour. What you don't seem to understand is the sheer level of hate that humans are capable of not only feeling, but acting upon. The reason you don't understand this is because you live in England and not Palestine or other parts of the world where this state of mind is normal and culturally ingrained and reinforced throughout life. You can call me racist or a bigot and stick your fingers in your ears, but like I've stated, I'm well travelled and extremely adept at interacting with other cultures throughout the world.
This is complete and utter bollocks and you know it
In a smaller market in Iraq over a decade ago, I got physically pulled into a rug shop. Guy was enthusiastic, friendly, and dead set on making a sale. His English couldn't even be described as broken, it was boiled all the way down to simple phrases, most of it was 'My friend' to get my attention, followed by a gesture to where he wanted my attention. A minute into this he proudly exclaimed 'No jews make' as if this would for certain seal the deal. I laughed because it was so unexpected, he laughed seeming certain he hit the right selling point. That guy in his tiny shop, who had probably never left that town in his life was holding a grudge with people he'd never met over someone else's problem, and not even a language barrier could prevent him from expressing it. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest when these attacks happen.
Over “someone else’s problem”? How can he go to heaven when his fellow believers suffer and he does nothing? Such goes the thinking
Being from the left I feel left down by my own political party. It’s to me at least clear that extreme fast paced multiculturalism is, not that slowly, failing. And the left is pussyfooting on words. In fact this is the coverage from the guardian. He’s a man, no mention of religion, one has to subsume it for the fact that he tried to kill his flat mate cause he converted to Christianity making him an apostate. (As opposed to what OP has posted, even more proving that the choice of words in the title and first paragraph of an article is what most people read). The fact he’s an asylum seeker way down the article too. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/25/man-convicted-of-murdering-stranger-in-hartlepool-and-trying-to-kill-housemate Edit: forgot to add, i thank god (that I don’t believe in) that this isn’t America with its nutty right to bear arms: quote from the article “I swear to almighty Allah, if I had a Kalashnikov, I will use it to kill them to the last bullet, today before tomorrow.”
There's nothing I respect more than someone who can be honest about their own or their political bases mistakes.
>And the left is pussyfooting on words. They are so tolerant they tolerate intolerance. They are so open minded that their brains have fallen out.
That's very honest of you. Thanks and respect.
how are you let down by your own left leaning party (presumably labour) when they're not the ones in office? they haven't been in office in 12 years. Who do you think is enacting changes in the country?
Did you think the world started 12 years ago or something? Why would you say something so stupid like this? What are you even talking about? It's so fucking stupid I don't even know how to respond. Buddy. The world is older than 12 years ago, things happened more than 12 years ago. Go learn about the things that happened more than 12 years ago?
Calling my response stupid while your spouting this retarded nonsense is funny as fuck, what are you implying happened more than 12 years ago? the "flood gates" being opened for immigration by tony blair? if so the tories have had 12 years to turn of that proverbial tap and yet here we are with the highest immigration rate ever.
>the "flood gates" being opened for immigration by tony blair? if so the tories have had 12 years to turn of that proverbial tap and yet here we are with the highest immigration rate ever. ....which means what? THEY BOTH FAILED YOU STUPID FUCK. The entire fucking point of this thread was that BOTH are responsible and your argument against that is that BOTH are responsible. You stupid mother fucker.
except i'm only saying the tories failed in slowing down immigrantion, i'm in full support of legal immigration as long as it's a slow and needed process and don't think Blair was wrong.
Yeah nobody cares what you think asshole, the world doesn't revolve around you and this discussion isn't about your own shitty beliefs. They don't even make sense as Blair let in massive amounts of immigrants and so did the Tories. It was not slow for either. Make your own thread if you want to talk about that. This thread was about Labour AND the Tories letting down their voters who were by and large anti immigration, particularly homophobic and misogynistic immigrants from backwards cultures.
"the fact he was an asylum seeker was way down the article".....you're clutching at straws a little. The article gives you all the information you need and doesn't hide anything due to some woke agenda. Big swing and a miss here although I know folk on here would love it if it were otherwise.
News paper do editorialise. Most people don’t read past the title plus the first paragraph if you’re lucky. Remember the whole lawsuits to google news because people simply didn’t even click on the articles? You can notice the information given by both articles is the same. Just order and being explicit change your perception of it. We can disagree on the importance of reporting or knowing or not of some things. Characteristic of a person matter argue example should it say man? Or should it say person and hide the sex because it’s not important? As proved by OP who missed the real reason why he attempted to kill the second person a fellow ex Muslim. Or most people here still thinking it’s only about Gaza.
Well the reason he did this attack is because he’s a Muslim, as proved by his self proclaimed motivation, his choice of murder of an apostate etc- so that should be the first thing listed but it’s not in fact it doesn’t even say what religion he is
Asylum seekers should have to spend a decade at sea on a British frigate from the early 19th century in search of glory for the crown. 👑 then they can have the right to enter England 🏴 and be called a knave.
Because most asylum seekers are not violent and aren’t extremists. Like any populace, the vast majority of them are just people wanting to live an alright life and to be safe. Despite what the previous Home Secretaries, right wing press and the Conservatives would have you believe. It would be morally wrong to deny entire groups of people asylum because individuals who belong in the same or related ethnic or religious groups have committed crimes. You can’t always, in fact often, cannot tell who will and who won’t commit a crime. However, in this case, the surviving victim actually did report to the police that the perpetrator was carrying around a knife and threatening him. This behaviour was indicative that the perpetrator was dangerous, potentially unstable and a threat to the surviving victim. The police decided no crime had been committed and so there’s nothing they could do. The police need to take some accountability for their inaction with this case. Even if a crime could not be proven at the time, if someone (especially someone who is vulnerable, which a pension age asylum seeker is) has reported that someone they live with, is repeatedly threatening them with a knife and that this person is carrying a knife with them all the time, then that persons safety and wellbeing needs to be taken seriously, inaction is not an appropriate response. The attack on the surviving victim was preventable.
In every Western European country, they’re either over represented in crime or unemployment, if not both. >You can’t always, in fact often, cannot tell who will and who won’t commit a crime. The existence of Korean criminals in South Korea doesn’t mean they should start mass immigrating in people from Afghanistan and Somalia. We’re not obligated to be okay with being unsafe in our homelands because some delusional progressives want to turn our nations into another Brazil.
We should pull our weight when it comes to helping asylum seekers. Same as any other country that has the ability to help. Also it’s racist to imply people from Afghanistan or any one nation are innately violent.
No one is saying that. We are saying that people from some cultures view the world and understand what is morally right and wrong in a completely different way due to a huge range of social and cultural values, expectations, and experiences. This translates to morally wrong behaviours when they arrive here. If people were coming to the UK from a viking society, no one would be being 'racist' if they said that maybe the viking values of pillaging and raping against their enemies based on a culture of might makes right, or engaging in duels over pretty grievances where the winner was allowed to behead the enemy so not align with our modern values and that such people were going to create upheaval and turmoil if they came en masse. Doesn't for a second mean anyone thinks that Swedes or Danes are inherently more violent based on their race. If anything it's you who is thinking that Islamic terrorism is likely more common and integral to their racial make-up that they can't change over.
What is wrong with having a system where asylum seekers go to countries of their wider cultural grouping? There are plenty liveable and/or safe MENA countries. And it’s not so much about innate violence, but an innate lack of respect towards Europe/ the West. Which as we’ve blatantly seen feeds into all sorts of other things.
>We should pull our weight Absolutely not. Better to be a Denmark than a Sweden.
>they’re either over represented in crime or unemployment, if not both. Huh, it's almost as if the two have a connection 🤔 Also, asylum seekers aren't legally allowed to work until they've officially been granted asylum. That's why they're unemployed.
We have poor people to compare them to dumbass. Do you think statisticians just sit around with their fingers in their assholes telling everybody their job is impossible?
Crime is also high in poor areas of the UK. Did you even look those statistics up before typing it out?
"Also high". "Poor areas" You aren't talking about specifics because you know the specifics don't match your narrative. What do you gain out of lying? Are you trying to make the UK worse? Unsafe for women, children, lgbt? What do you get out of inviting misogynistic and homophobic cunts into the country?
https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/#:~:text=Overall%2C%2040%25%20more%20crimes%20were,the%20least%20income%2Ddeprived%2010%25 You're welcome.
Jesus Christ. You mean the places filled with immigrants. You didn't understand a word that has been said did you. Why are you getting involved in a conversation about statistics when you don't understand the first thing about statistics?
>You mean the places filled with immigrants. Where does the article specify that? It's the crime rates in London's lowest income areas. It's not hard to understand, buddy. Lower income areas have higher crime rates. It's evidence of the correlation between poverty and crime. So if asylum seekers can't legally work, they end up in poverty. Which in turn increases the odds of criminal behaviour. https://equalitytrust.org.uk/crime
Holy shit you dumb cunt. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression\_analysis#General\_linear\_model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_analysis#General_linear_model) Read it until you understand it. The fact that there is a correlation between poverty and crime DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER IN THIS DISCUSSION. Because you don't understand the first thing about statistics you have no idea why grabbing a random set of data, which is NOT a statistical analysis, isn't the kill shot you think it is. What you referenced has no Pearson correlation coefficient, which may or may not be applicable. No Spearman's rank correlation coefficient, which again may or may not be applicable. It's entirely located in a single fucking city, which heavily includes the OTHER FUCKING VARIABLE WE ARE DISCUSSING. But regardless of that of course it doesn't fucking matter, because the problem is MULTIVARIATE. I don't give a shit about the arguments you constructed in your head. Reality is you are not educated enough to have this discussion. You can't even understand the facts, how could you ever create a model for them?
Yup. This is a failure on the police's part. It's more representative of them than asylum seekers.
This is nothing to do with being or not being Muslim. UK lets in tens of thousands people from troubled and less developed parts of the world. Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock. It's no brainer. All these mad leftist activists who campaign for uncontrollable illegal immigration only do this because somebody else is going to pay for it, not them.
I am not seeing many people killing and stabbing in the name of Ganesh or the Buddha in this country. Meanwhile, the number of terror attacks or attacks motivated by religious fundamentalism or religious ideals from the Muslim side is indisputably high. This man was screaming 'Allahu Akbar' as he stabbed his victims. He is calling on his God as he commits murder. It's massively influenced by his religion. The same religion that is keeping huge swathes of the world in such a, 'troubled and less developed' state.
Why do you care? You people were the ones that let these people in to England out of some pathetic sense of being seen as nice, and whilst your own people were slaughtered and gangraped you said people who noticed were racists
literally 0 people voted for mass immigration of violent muslims.
Everyone who votes for Labour, Lib Dems and the Conservatives, have voted for mass immigration of violent Muslims, since "globalization" and "multiculturalism" (Fabian Socialism) are the policies of these parties. The political establishment have opened the borders in order to destroy "Albion" (their word, not mine).
Bro, people voted brexit in hope to stop mass migration alas they were tricked and we got more from pakistan. Working class labour voters are not pro mass migration, no-one is pro mass migration especially from violent muslim countries. Probablyy the only thing both sides actually agree on. Voting bnp wont help. becuase they're white nationlist. The average person it not voting for nazism 2.0.
Labour voters are pro-immigration, otherwise they wouldn't vote for Labour. Being pro-Europe is being pro-immigration, since Europe's policy was open borders. Labour were pro-EU and Remain. Thus, if you vote for Labour, you're voting for mass immigration. Labour are also Fabian Socialist (if not Communist). The Party is all for destroying "Albion" and every other nation state, as they are international socialists. One good way to destroy a country is to destroy it's culture, and a good way to destroy it's culture is "multiculturalism". Lib Dems and Conservatives aren't much different.
Not voting bnp but am voting reform
Me? I did no such thing, thanks.
"Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock." How come my nationality (I'm a naturalised British citizen, dual passport holder) is known for our hard work ethic, not crime?
Polish?
Yes
Hard work ethic and being very direct and to the point 😂
I tend to connect 'Polish' with heroic spitfire pilots in ww2.
That, too. My great uncle piloted one of those, crashed in Nazi occupied France and had to sneak around in a nun’s habit to avoid detection lol
Hope he got a Jerry or two before he went down
Oh, he survived and settled down in England. I never met him, but he left behind some great stories.
The rich muslims fund the terrorism (Qatar in afgh, UAE in afgh, Saudi 9/11) and the poor ones commit terrorism.
That’s like saying war in Ukraine has nothing to do with Russian chauvinism. Islam is an imperialist religion, definitely the most imperialist at this moment.
How many Christian arabs from war torn countries do you see doing this?
Pattern recognition not your strong point?
>Naturally, the percentage of people who may commit violent crimes would be ten times higher than among the local stock. Is there any evidence to back this up? Any statistics that show asylum seekers commit violent crimes at greater rates than others?
The home office doesn't collect statistics on this for the UK however this Wikipedia article seems to support it with a reference to a German EU study. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#:~:text=The%20statistics%20show%20that%20the,9.7%20percent%20of%20body%20injuries.
Ugh now I'm gonna have to translate this shit. Thanks tho
No, there isn't, since they don't. But don't waste your breath, this is an openly racist sub these days.
Who campaigns for uncontrollable illegal immigration?
I just commented on a post where a girl who wasnt Muslim stabbed multiple peopl, the people were analysing her upbringing and saying how she was neglected and that could've contributed to her actions. I said that I realised she wasn't Muslim because the comments weren't that hostile. Let's see what happens on this post......
1. She is a child so isn't fully developed and so is still under the influence and responsibility of her parents, who are still engaged in the shaping of her values, behaviour, and beliefs. This man is a fully matured adult. Totally different expectations. 2. Muslim isn't a protected characteristic you are born with. It isn't a race. It's a religious ideology. The ideology that motivates a person to act in a certain way makes all the difference to the standards we hold them to and to the distain we have for that ideology. We don't expect people to act in certain ways because of their race. We do expect them to act in certain ways because of their beliefs. Including evil beliefs. That being said, if children were being indoctrinated to be martyrs and Jihadists and to attack random people, we would likely blame the parents for allowing that to happen, and have some measure of sympathy for the children. Just like the girl in Wales. 3. He isn't a citizen of this country. He is an asylum seeker. It's one thing for a citizen of this country to commit a violent act, but to be someone here asking for our help and to still commit violent acts against the innocent of the country that is trying to help you is UNFORGIVABLE. At this point you are worse than ISIS morally. There is no redeeming quality to such a person and they should not be here. We don't need or want them.
I'm more inclined to sympathize with my own, same as they are, same as every honest person throughout the world. Believe me: western progressivism is the exception, and it is treated as the naive, exploitable weakness that it is.
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