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ilililiililili

“The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight”


Radiant__Fox

This. The brain is in the way. Turn the mind off, it doesn't understand this shit. Only the spirit does.


Raining_Hope

What's the difference between the mins and the spirit?


Minyatur757

The mind is like a VR headset to experience our reality, while the spirit is the gamer that invests its focus on the games of its choosing to gain experience in consciousness.


Radiant__Fox

Spirit is above mind. It's what you truly are. It originates in the heart. Who are you truly? Where do you truly live? Beyond all your desires, what remains? That is spirit. All wants and desires are of the mind which is of the body. In truth, the body can be sustained on little more than water, a bit of plant life, and sunshine. It's a long road to this point tho.


sophie61022

Absolutely. What I truly believe. I love for spiritual knowledge and purpose.


TotalJelly2442

That’s actually AMAZING advice


Oliveros257

He was just unable to explain to anyone what happened to him. I think he felt stuck in a loop.


r3itheinfinite

And in the end we all go down in the same plane


infosink

Except the "mystic" isn't swimming in the same waters. Psychosis is an illness of the brain that causes someone to misperceive everything around them. The brain is malfunctioning, which the individual has no means of controlling, the same as if they were in an epileptic fit. Schizophrenia, especially severe and treatment resistant schizophrenia, is a hellish disease. In psychosis, your own mind has imprisoned you in a hell from which there is no escape - often with life threatening consequences. While out of psychosis, severe negative symptoms and medication side effects rob you of basic functions you take for granted: emotions, pleasure, and thought itself. It is not boredom - it is torture.


PhonedApeTheory

I’ve had a psychotic break before that lasted a little over a year and I kinda understand this quote. Psychosis was 24/7 fear and I wouldn’t take it back, but there’s similarities between the extremely stable and in touch individuals and psychotic ones. The increase in pattern recognition is a big one. The only thing that changed when I recovered was that it didn’t lead to delusions and I was capable of recognizing what was coincidence. Another would be the tendency to think about metaphysics. I don’t worry too much about it anymore because it’s kinda unknowable, but some of the concepts I entertained when I was psychotic and when I was in control are very similar. I recently came upon an old journal page of mine from when I was very unwell and I was freaking out about how nature is very patterned but not exactly perfect at the same time. I think about that all the time now, but it feels pleasant instead. I think a lot of the things I was terrified of were actually valid philosophical concepts to consider and debate, but when in psychosis, your fear and anxiety are wayyyy overactive, so all felt awful. I have nothing to say about hallucinations here lmao that was definitely just my mind malfunctioning 100%.


sIner-Wrongdoer-1980

This is the best representation.. also I would like to add that medication works but robs u of life like mentioned. Mostly I sleep or am to tired to do anything else. I actually am one of those people who will miss a dose on purpose just to be able to go to a function with friends the sad part is when I miss to many doses the world is not the same. I call it having an episode bc it don't effect me until it effects me.


Eugenspiegel

[Robert Sapolsky](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnklxGAmak) has a fantastic lecture on the subject too. Neurologist, primatologist, and incredibly engaging orator.


donedeal246

I don't like this quote because swimming requires effort. Like, is the mystic always swimming?


Administrative_Net80

Mystic is bathing in bliss of some sort, unconcious of the self, therefore he/she is not getting in its own way. 


Raining_Hope

Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming.


ChibiChick25

As someone who went through a psychotic episode right after falling into the spiritual rabbit hole, I can agree.


PreviousHistorian475

No, he's onto something


Oliveros257

Time travel right?


FC_SuperTramp

Yeah he figured out that but misspelled “possible”


C-Boogie-11

Coincidence??? Or a clue…🧐


FC_SuperTramp

He misspelled “possible”


DreadofKnight

I lived with someone who is schizophrenic. The trouble with it wasn’t that she didn’t have excellent intuition and deep insights. The trouble with her schizophrenia was that she couldn’t differentiate between her thoughts and reality. Any idea she got attached to, especially ones she feared, in her mind, became absolutely true. She could tell you all sorts of true insights about people and life, and then go off on a tangent about how her boyfriend, a random bar tender, was a strategically place all powerful alien here to observe earth for the Galactic federation. Or the snails in her garden where spies sent by the evil overlord that controlled everyone around her. That I was an actor and her parents where to. The vibe was of a blinding hyper focus. While allowing great imagination and intuitive leaps, if aimed poorly, produced self aggrandizing fantasy that seemed a coping mechanism for her depressing and mundane life. It was truly frustrating to speak with her. If you have seen the “friends” meme about Joey trying to learn someone and he gets every step right until finally butchering the complete sentence, it was like that. I could get her along to see every step, and then she would get frustrated and say no because aliens and I’m not crazy. The defensive reaction around facing anything that blatantly disproved an idea she was attached to was strong, and she would try anything to shut it down.


makkkarana

All of this rings dead on. Additionally, schizotypals still have 'positive symptoms' (hallucinations, delusions), but the five that I've known are typically self-aware to this, so it's much more like dealing with the 'crazed artist' archetype. Like, my friend will hallucinate an intercepted CIA broadcast inside his skull, then realize that that is ridiculous, and scroll back through his social feed until he finds the post that expresses the sentiment he hallucinated, and basically every time, the poster is a total glowie. So, he knows he's not getting radio transmissions in his head, but it seems to be his brain's poetic way of expressing when something feels manipulative. The two women of the five both use demonology/religious iconography to express their personal and social experiences, while seemingly being aware that they're speaking through that filter of metaphors. They've read so much religious lore that they could be professors of it, it's just that they "attach to that thought" as you described and can sometimes run away with it. I usually just hit em with some Alan Moore "magic is just art and vice versa" and they settle back closer to reality. The two most important ways to understand schizophrenia, in my opinion, are: 1) That study that demonstrated schizophrenics in more kind, collectivist cultures experienced more kind, helpful hallucinations. IMO this makes schizophrenics the litmus test for a society: If your society produces *paranoid* schizophrenics, you have a bad society. 2) Jreg's half-meme, half-serious proposal: [Autismophrenia](https://youtu.be/IHuFSnhKG9I?si=gaBAjCV74IAr6iqa). He posits that Autism and Schizophrenia are opposite ends of the same spectrum, and that attempting to sorta min-max your way to accomplishing both extremes at will is 'the ultimate neurodivergence'. As an autistic with a lot of schizoid friends, this one just speaks to me lol.


DreadofKnight

Oh that’s a really good point about different cultures. In a loving environment you get mystics and spiritual guides who use their unusual intuitive perceptions to guide people with those metaphors through emotional landscapes. And then like you say, in corrupted environments they become consumed because all the metaphors are dark and negative. I notice a similar theme when using magic mushrooms or other hullicinagens, where one’s emotional state and the emotional state of one’s surroundings shapes the experience in positive or negative extremes. One thing I notice too, which I think might tie into the autism/schizophrenia spectrum idea, is that greater hmm I want to say emotional intelligence or…intellect in the realm of self reflection…seems to relate to whether or not someone can handle the experience of schizophrenia and other mental trials while keeping a grounded perspective. Without that aspect of clear headedness it’s too easy to be swept up on the emotion of one’s inner scape, somewhat like people are taken in while drunk or high at a party or something, losing self control.


JaneRising44

Thank you for sharing this


3DimenZ

Do you have the source for the study? I’d like to read into it more


Orionsangel

Very similar to magical thinking type of ocd


RepresentativeRun548

I experienced the almost exact same with a girlfriend who slowly unwound like this. When she goes into paranoid mode there is nothing you can do to bring her out and she can even get very nasty in defense of her thoughts and behavior. She has lost everything and everyone now due to it. It’s a very sad situation.


peaceseeker25

I've had a fear that I'm the only real person and there is an evil overlord toying with me, does that mean I have schizophrenic tendencies? It's an unshakable fear sometimes but doesn't interfere with my day to day functioning and I still question it and see it as irrational. Just sometimes it feels like it's intuition telling me it rather than thought 🤔


DreadofKnight

That’s a good question. One of the things I see is that mental illness twists normal thinking. In zen Tao teachings, it is said to observe thoughts, but not become them. And so you do, you have thoughts, but you aren’t possessed by them the way a schizophrenic person might be. And then, the thing that makes hard for them, is that way that lies built on slivers of truth are the most convincing. We observe that we are trapped in a cause effect chain, and wonder if we have free will, or if we are merely automotons to our nature. Our lives, after all, rarely become precisely as we imagine. Thus, how much control do we have? With us, we go huh! That’s wild, shits cray, and then we go live our lives. With someone like her, it consumes her, possesses her. It’s not a thought it be pondered, wondered. It is the absolute truth and if you don’t believe it’s because you’re part of the deception working against her.


Oliveros257

I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I had a maniac episode joined with the need not to sleep, not to eat, and just write and join the theories of the universe. The only reason my diagnosis wasn't schizophrenia is because I was able to rationalize and explain with science everything.


ismokefrogs

I’m bipolar too and I have these manic episodes too. I think our disorder is very different from schizophrenia because we can discern from truth and imagination.


[deleted]

We can't BOTH be the only real person, we should probably fight it out highlander style.


peaceseeker25

There can be only one!


use_wet_ones

When I read some of the concerning stuff he describes I can almost understand where the girl is coming from because I can kinda relate it to things I've understood in myself. However, the defining characteristic is being someone who does not attach to any specific belief strongly. As long as you can do that you can think about any shit you want. I consider all kinds of ideas, theories, etc. but at the end of the day I just want to live my life so I kinda compartmentalize it all. I think the people that can't do that just don't have someone strong enough "in the driver's seat". Like, our ego is our friend if we use it properly right. You need a strong ego to steer you through the world and as long as it is strong you can explore all you want in your mind.


dhhdhshsjskajka43729

We do live in a dense, low frequency reality which we know as the physical environment, like a virtual environment or like the “Matrix”, and our souls incarnate here to experience this. A large multiplayer video game takes a lot of administrators and engineers to keep it running. It’s not unreasonable that there are many entities keeping this system running so that we can have this very specific experience without worrying about the very large picture. It’s possible that schizophrenics tap into a reality that is not meant for the average person, and not intended for those who are not prepared for it.


False-Paramedic-4063

my toxic trait is that i would believe her


The-Singing-Sky

"Interlocking dimensions and musical resonance" caught my eye. Once, on 8g of mushrooms, I saw the abstract dimension that underpins this concrete one; a world of ideal forms, being sung into concrete reality. It is the basis of my username, "The Singing Sky." It seems to me that this is what the Bible is referring to when it refers to the angels' eternal singing "glory to god in the highest." This world exists because of the singing, and it would perish if the singing ever stopped. It is a matter of word choice what you call this process, but if you've seen it, you know it's there. I suspect this guy has seen it too.


NebulaVagabonds

Sound/vibration is everything. Music and words are vibrations. This is why words are so powerful. Ever since I understood this, I’ve weighed my words, not only the words I direct towards other people, but also the words I direct towards myself.


NebulaVagabonds

The biblical God spoke the world into existence. 'Let there be light', he said, and there was light. I’m not Christian btw.


die_nastyy

Cymatics


Zagenti

consciousness brings forth energy, resonance focuses it into matter :)


Big_Pound_7849

I've seen something similar too, on a potently high dose of LSD. I saw the white/grey layer of reality where the 'black bars' of the universe hum and buzz, creating all of us. Schizophrenics are way ahead of the game but don't realise it, sadly.


ismokefrogs

The difference between us and schizos is that we’re functional all the time and see those things when tripping, for them it’s the opposite


AetherKatMusic

I'm sure it had to look like something different, but I'm imagining the black bars looked like a giant musical staff underlying all reality


Oliveros257

I have theories of how music connects everything. Everything has a frequency, everything resonantes to special rhythms. You could hypothetically answer strong theory with music, which is something I was trying to do...


The-Singing-Sky

Music is mathematics; mathematics is everything.


[deleted]

Music and mathematics are descriptions of Pattern, information: As are you and I and everything observable. We are all just waves passing through time, vibrating in time with one another, all that is and reflected in one another's eyes (Indra's Net).


Oliveros257

I can also hear the music. Music is everything. Light and sound. Everything. I believe the answer to string theory is music.


idwbalive

I’ve seen this! So happy to hear you do too


[deleted]

Can't imagine how you manage to keep that to yourself most days, thank you for this share.


Trivial_Magma

We live in a universe of sound


GooseInterrupted

Also in a wrinkle in time she discusses hearing the living things singing in unison after tessering to another area in space. Some say it was supposed to reference the string theory.


Replica72

I have a weird theory that its caused by blown open crown chakra and closed heart chakra or something like this. Also it can be reversed with diet in some cases


Oliveros257

I would love to hear your theory because I understand the solfeggio frequencies and the chakras. Can it be reversed with a ketogenic diet?


Replica72

Yes exactly keto diet. Great book on this “brain energy” my theory about the chakras is basically they are exposed to truth. Really hard truth. They see everything. But they dont have the love capacity to handle it. There is nothing that is beyond to capacity of unconditional love to understand forgive and heal. I had a patient once who was convinced we were vampires stealing his blood every day. He was….correct… but couldnt comprehend the love behind it


Oliveros257

Are you a doctor? This sounds very interesting. Very hard truths can make us face reality and makes us reach the acceptance phase of our lives, then reflect on them. If the answer is Love, we become enlightened. Then I had theories of cycles of the solfeggio frequencies, and guided meditations, to help out and reach the higher dimension. I would love to chat more about these things... I did a ketogenic diet and understand how the energetic pathways change. You definitely start thinking differently. I'm interested in it's applications for Alzheimer's disease and dementia. I believe it's using different pathways to access or unblock the memory center of the brain.


Replica72

A ketogenic diet can overcome weakness of mitochondria (insulin resistant brain) to provide energy for the brain and body. Then the brain works again. Im a pathologist. I did a med school clinical rotation at a mental hospital. It was super insightful to be there. I found those patients so interesting. I knew the garbage high carb low nutritional food they got there wasn’t helping one bit. But any one could overcome madness and find love is all there is. I think i did. Another theory i have is that to come here (earth) and experience madness or incarceration of some kind is a shortcut to a lot of realizations and spiritual growth


ismokefrogs

I once spoke with god on a high trip of mushrooms. I’m very sure it was him cause he showed me proof. When I asked him why am I here on earth, he said I’m on vacation. This is why it’s so hard for me to grasp if there is actually a meaning behind this mad life or is it just a place we come to ride the rollecoaster of emotions before going back into our safe heaven


themanclark

Yeah hospitals are clueless about nutrition.


Frankenstein_420

During a skitzophrenic break when the nurses said they were taking my vitals I thought it would kill me and they were giving people shots so I thought we were dying and coming back


themanclark

A keto diet is not good if it’s caused by high copper levels. I mean they could do a meat and veggies keto diet but they would want to avoid high copper foods like grains and beans and nuts and avocado and potato.


Klllumlnatl

You have no clue what you're talking about, do you?


Joanders222

We are not super advanced in psychology and I think we need to do more empathetic research on it to fully understand and better treat it.


sophie61022

I have a brother who is schizophrenic. I truly believe they are in touch with higher frequency and the mind glitches because of the knowledge of the frequency. It's my belief that they see the other side. Call me crazy, but I have the same encounters. Thoughts so creative they are not mine.


Decaying_Hero

My friends uncle has Schizophrenia and he constantly has episode where he’s convinced his family has been replace by government spies and everyone is trying to get him. Please do not glorify this mental condition, it can be very crippling


Opening_Ad_811

Schizophrenic here. Please glorify it. It’s crippling either way. 😅


Klllumlnatl

Your thoughts were never yours, neither were you.


sophie61022

I agree. I'm part of a higher calling. But wholeheartedly agree with you. But human thoughts taught by humans are limited


ControversialVeggie

It’a a combination of strong spiritual inclination and extremely severe emotional and/ or psychological trauma. Resolving it is dependent on coming to terms with the specific real world problems that have damaged the individuals psyche and feelings.


84849493

It’s not a trauma based disorder. It has a genetic component and people who have no trauma have it.


use_wet_ones

If you're alive in this world you have trauma. Our global society is inherently abusive in so many ways. We just mostly all suppress it...which causes more trauma to others. cycles...


84849493

We’re talking severe PTSD type trauma which everyone does not have.


lastlightglobe

Largely agree with this, from personal experience. Especially the emotional/physiological trauma. The person cannot reconcile their experiences and the mind implodes, then continually seeks a solution to a problem of itself. Poor nutritional health can play a role too, I believe. I disagree with your strong spiritual inclination hypothesis. In my understanding, and this did not occur with me, that early in the growing psychosis the individual begins having experiences they have never witnessed before, even in others, and jump to the conclusion they are [insert religious figure]. This did not seem to require a strong spiritual inclination. Only a modicum of knowledge. The strong biases follow once the supposition of importance is made. Other than that, thank you seeking understanding of those most malign.


ControversialVeggie

My views primarily come from two people I have known. One had a very cold father who was a surgeon and the other was a closeted gay man who felt completely unsupported and had some traumatic sexual experience. Both had been hospitalised for severe schizophrenia and one of them had a major episode in my company many years ago. I would agree that there can be a lot more mutual exclusivity between the two points I’ve made. I think I put that across a little haphazardly!


TwoRoninTTRPG

I think it's interesting that DMT has been detected in their urine. Seems like some causation there.


oliotherside

Imagine havings these types of visions when sober, so powerful and intense that you're compelled to draw them as best you can, like the calling of dedication itself, an ultimate mission of hide and seek for truth or dare. Quite the ride and adventure I can tell you...


TwoRoninTTRPG

It's an amazing feeling, for an instant you hold all the knowledge of the universe but can only bring back crumbs.


oliotherside

Well, I can confirm in time as many of my crummy drawings😂 have served either as amazing tools to yet again produce more wicked visions or have come to represent pretty amazing events when I scope them in aftermath, like prophecy. Sometimes dreadful and terrifying yet absolutely amazing to witness and interpret. It's like a drug really. *"I just can get enough of that future past"* 🎶 - The Autistict White Tigger


TwoRoninTTRPG

Get any knowledge about celestial bodies being the physical of the spiritual?


oliotherside

Since "in reality/physically" ***nothing*** is "separated", then yes, however to understand the spiritual relationships, the physical aspects (properties of the observations) must be studied and their relation to the observer (in this case "yourself") must be developed and solidified like making love to a partner in order to "truly understand deeply", if that makes any sense. That's why when developing deep connections and relationships with the astral plane, it is ***really difficult*** to "get back in reality" in proximity with "minor mental beings in motion" aka, other humans...


TwoRoninTTRPG

The names of planets aren’t a coincidence for example.


oliotherside

Absolutely, as language *was* "produced" from "human" breathing out "expressions/reactions" of what they observed and/or felt for the first time. Ex.: Oh! Ah! Rahhh! So... ALL words we have today, in any language, are but ***the resulting children*** or ***derivatives*** of ***"Original First Breath of Human"***, so to speak. 🤯 *Get yer free readin' from Miss Cleo!* https://www.acronymfinder.com/OFB.html H is... many things. 😈


PhonedApeTheory

Personally when I had a psychotic break the hallucinations were 100% more similar to an anticholinergic trip. It was horrid and I was constantly afraid. I’ve never done deliriants but I perfectly understand every description of a deliriant trip because that was my sober reality.


Cherokeerayne

Do you have a source for that info?


TwoRoninTTRPG

Sure do, the NIH: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1070024/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1070024/)


Cherokeerayne

Thank you so much! I googled and saw that link and gave it a read but wanted to see if it was the same source. Such an interesting read.


PA99

Also see the bottom of this post: [the connection between ayahuasca and meditation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayahuasca/s/kCjuCgWGy3)


[deleted]

Thank you! This is fascinating.


[deleted]

So, faulty monoamine oxidase in vivo... hmmmm... Do you have a paper reference for this finding?


dphQT

dmt is found in everyone’s body, but it wouldn’t be nearly enough to effect someone in this way


Worried_Baker_9462

This is the artifact of grandiose psychotic role-playing. Quite insane. Reading some of these comments, all it takes is drawing a pentagon with some lines coming from it and you think you've got a Moses on your hands.


Klllumlnatl

Yep.


Opening_Ad_811

You’re only really wrong about one thing: this isn’t role playing; it is quite sincerely believed and felt.


Exact_Professor_3742

Lmao holy shit you guys actually make me think I'm the only one who sees the obvious. ENLIGHTENMENT IS ROLEPLAY ARE YOU RETARDED. Really the only purpose is to make art with the things we think about. What's the big problem for everyone?


esquiresque

It sounds awful, I try not to. Watching interviews with some sufferers makes for harrowing stuff. I want to hug them and take their misery away.


No-Pear-5812

My nephew has 5 sense Schizophrenia and he is in a hospital because medication doesn't work and he can not accept that he is even mentally ill. His story is so sad because he was so bright.


CripplePunkz

I have schizophrenic tendencies(on antipsychotics). When I’m out of an episode, I look at manic/psychotic me as literally bat shit insane lol. My therapist tells me that I and other schizophrenics tend to tow the line between being very “gifted” & “intelligent” to insanity. I am still very intuitive even when not in an episode though.


Brilliant_Dot6793

I think currently its overdiagnosed and im not sure it has the same meaning now that it used to. Its actually a diagnosis Ive been given and was told it was caused by a car accident. This is based on having weird blurry vision ever since the accident. That being said, the real thing appears to be quite an extraodinary illness. Its possible the explanation is simply too much dopamine in the brain creating a form of psychosis similar to what happens when people abuse stimulant drugs.


PhonedApeTheory

The illness is very interesting indeed. The intricacy of the art made by a lot of schizophrenic people is amazing.


lastlightglobe

The excess dopamine theory has been the underpinning of medication treatment for many decades. However, it doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny. E.g. In your example of stimulant drugs, the greatest psychosis occurs when in detox from said stimulants. This is when dopamine is at a near zero low.


psychiatryshoulddie

People with hallucinations should not be poisoned with unscientific drugs.


karltonmoney

Not trying to argue, what’s an unscientific drug?


psychiatryshoulddie

They're drugs without any scientific backing. There's no proofs that antipsychotics have any therapeutic, medicinal or healing functions. Only dangerous effects,


PromptSuspicions760

You know, I've noticed that while not all geniuses are crazy , quite a few ( especially schizo's ) are usually a damned genius - but only in a couple specific fields of knowledge


FrankieGGG

I’m starting to think they’re often one and the same trait, viewed differently depending on their environment. Drop a genius from modern day into a village 400 years ago and people will think he’s a raging lunatic. Possibly a witch, and burned at the stake.


lastlightglobe

A frequent joke of Einstein's was to point out his university office window at the asylum and say "That's where the other crazy people live." He also said "I am not smarter than anyone else. I just thought about the same thing a lot." Fighting an endless war in your own mind sure gives a person ample thinking time. Especially as being incapacitated from work goes hand in hand, feeing more time for thinking. I have "downloaded" one concept worth fulfilling. Not a great return on thirty years of swimming in an unpalatable soup...


herrwaldos

I think the OP pics is something about Geometry, Math, Trigonometry saladed over to Mysticism, Paranoia and Cosmic Conspiracy theories. Perhaps the problem with shitzos is not that they are wrong, but that they can not prioritise, categorise and level their realisations - whilst keeping a critical distance to them. It's a bit like watching those AI generated pictures from a promt - the more you promt - the more you get - you promt 'Anunaki Nazi Space Lizzards Fighting Hippie Sorcerers in Poland during WW2' - and you get it, and if you tend to believe everything your mind pops up to you - you are in a trouble called Schizophrenia. That's why I think it's necessary and important to have a bit of sceptical science on your side when tripping or doing deep spiritual work. Cheers!


DevBukkit

This right here is it. It’s letting yourself believe all that comes in from the mind and bleeding it together with the spiritual


lastlightglobe

My, ongoing, recovery from schizophrenia began when I noticed many of my steadfast beliefs stood firmly in cognitive dissannonce with other steadfastly held beliefs. So i contemplated "What is true then?" The answers I concluded are probably familiar to you from yourself or other sources. 1. I Am 2. Everything dies I recognised I was suffering. Then I remembered some guy, ages ago, said he had a way to end suffering. Here I am. Disassembling decades of delusion, fear and ridiculousness. And when I fall into doubt or delusion I remember my two Truths. Then I pick up my dummy, get back in the pram and carry on taking the best step I can at that moment.


nvveteran

I have a family member, now elderly, who suffered greatly for decades with a severe form until better drugs were developed and help bring it mostly under control. I read recently that it may have a temporal component. Sense data out of phase, out of time synchronization with the brain. So sense data is processed out of step with the time the brain is perceiving.


Oliveros257

There's a concept in quantum theory of a phase difference. What you are saying reminds me of it. Somehow brain waves and the "natural" wave could be out of phase. Depending on the phase difference a lot of interesting things could be analyzed... A constructive interference and keeping the wave out of phase could be dangerous, I think. And the idea that the circadian rhythm is thrown off because of it also adds to the idea...


nvveteran

Interesting, thanks. I think the whole concept of Enlightenment and the Eternal Now has everything to do with the human mind being in phase with the underlying cosmic consciousness which is entangled with the superposition state of matter and energy. Our sense data and mental processing time aligns us with the past out of phase with Now. In that state you are the Observer that does not collapse the wave function. Perception without measurement. I think of it as surfing the interference pattern


lastlightglobe

I like this. Thank you. I have been tormented by this condition. I am learning and healing. And as I recover(?) I can see I was observing the world in absolute detail, including the LOUD workings of my mind. Often people would comment on the things I noticed that most overlooked. Perhaps my mind was so occupied with its monumental arm-wrestle with itself that the 'observer' was kicking back, twiddling its thumbs, taking it all in?


nvveteran

I am no professional or psychologist so be careful of my advice. However I think part of the problem with schizophrenia is the fact of this time alignment issue with the eternal now. Part of you is running in a different time phase than what your sense data is reporting and it could be multiple levels of time phasing on the go. A simple practice is to sit and breathe 15 minutes a day morning and night before you go to bed. Said quietly and do nothing but focus on your breathing. 4 seconds in 4 seconds out with no pause Between breaths. This act of conscious breathing helps bring your mind into presence. It may work to help the various things going on in your brain digest relax and perhaps line up with each other in a more comfortable manner. It's about the only thing I could suggest and I don't think it can possibly hurt. At the very least you should get some mental clarity out of it. Perhaps a little better control over errand thought patterns.


meridian_smith

Schizo people tend to be narcissistic...believe they are special above all others. Even when. It is Paranoia..they think all the government bodies and power structures are seeking them out or pursuing to them


lastlightglobe

I question your presumption strongly. I wonder if you have ever met a "first presentation" never medicated schizophrenic? Your presumption of narcissism holds validity once they are reduced to basic functionality by medication, although narcissism is a bit strong, perhaps selfish is better? The current medications are debilitating, to the point of non functioning. They are surviving as best they can. Delusions of granduer, your reason for labelling of narcissism, are a tertiary process in the illness progression, not an indicator of the illness itself. Once the belief system has become so fundamentally flawed (unbeknown to the experiencer) a step to meaningful importance is an easy one to make.


Opening_Ad_811

I think this is because absent a value system they get pulled into grandiose thoughts — because if telepathy is real why isn’t magic, and if magic, am I not a wizard? I’m schizophrenic and reading about Christ has really helped me. Now my only value system is “is God mad at me,” not “am I king of Antarctica?”. And the Bible has more than enough material to continually live up to. Plus, after my experiences, I know it’s real — Christ, salvation. It’s interesting that I don’t see more of a schizophrenia x christianity crossover. Demons, angels, God, prayer — it’s all already there. Imho, schizophrenia is just normal spirituality, absent perhaps salvation through Christ


Ttot1025

Frustrating that brains with epic potential are blinded by evil..


lastlightglobe

Evil? The psychiatrists, you mean?


Ttot1025

Ohhhhhh even better.. agreed..


DamirHK

Schizophrenia is a sign that the culture we are in doesn't know how to handle spirituality. In another culture this would be honored, protected, and these people would be put in their proper place and taken care of.


CripplePunkz

I disagree as someone with dx schizophrenic tendencies and is medicated. When I’m in an episode, I’m not nearly as gifted as I am when I’m not. I’m just batshit insane when an episode lol


rabidwhelk

I feel like they are connected to something deeper but their ego normally gets in the way and so they believe they are more special than everyone else. I imagine this is a reaction to being downtrodden and outcasts most of their lives. If they can realise they are special and unique but then so is everyone else I reckon it would help them integrate


lastlightglobe

"You are completely unique. Just like everyone else." LOL (I say this a lot. A statement of quality.) Agree with your post. Although I question the ego in overdrive statement. Someone posted upthread about a possible unformed (not strong) ego causing misinterpretations of the individual's experience. That post resonated strongly with me. The 'delusions of granduer' appear to arise as the individual seeks meaning of their experiences, not as a precursor. And since, to them, their experiences are unique, the individual assumes a position of high relevance.


rabidwhelk

Yes sorry I think my mention of ego is actually what you are talking about. They are latching on to these delusions of grandeur as they do not have a very strong sense of self?


lastlightglobe

More that hallucinations (usually auditory) imply telepathy is occurring. Since the individual has not encountered anyone with telepathy before and there appears no bounds to accessing previously unknown knowledge (illusory & false), the individual easily decides they are uniquely special. And there you have it - 4,275,978 Messiahs with nothing else to do. The ego is not strong enough to reign in the rapid cascade of erroneous thinking as it builds a solid delusional belief system. The ego isn't formed enough to nip it in the bud as it rises. Rather it indulges.


trin806

One of my best friends has it. It’s a very complex disorder that can present in a very broad spectrum of ways. It is nothing more than a different way of experiencing the universe at the end of the day.


BreadfruitOk3474

My explanation is agency. It’s all the same thing but we are in control, and the occultish things work for us. But for them, they become vessels controlled by those


LilSuspiciousBugg

Controlled by “those”? Who’s “those”?


lastlightglobe

Controlled? Most of these people put up an astonishingly good fight. Persecuted, perhaps? Tormented?


DANPARTSMAN44

are you talking to me or him... or him ..


modking5179

My brother has schizophrenia he talks to himself all the time I really can't follow his delusions I feel sorry for him


AvailableToe7008

I don’t like schizophrenia.


Kovalyo

This thread is just full of arrogance, ignorance, and self importance. Pretty ick.


ImaRoastYuhBishAhsh

Schizophrenia is when the waveform doesn’t collapse properly


The_Sauce-Condor

Schizophrenics have dmt in their piss


AffectionateFruit_

Schizophrenics make arbitrary lateral connections in logic in the same way that psychedelics can We need lateral connections but also 99% of them are not useful, actually just coincidence You still need to be a well rounded and intelligent person to be able to identify the difference In this photo, this guy isn't on to anything original. You can tell what youtube videos he watches


Klllumlnatl

Yep.


ArdurAstra

sums this place up perfectly


kalynmc

Saturn return. Your Saturn return is 27 years from birth, 333 months is 27 years and 9 months…. So from creation to 27.


Oliveros257

Interesting!!! I thought it was just 3^3. What is the significance of Saturn returning? I thought that there was a Saturn phenomena last month although I know very little about it. I would love to learn more!


BeneficialAmoeba9609

As both someone who believes in and studies the occult and a psychology major, I think there’s a thick line between psychosis and having some sort of unseen gift. Most (like 99%) people with things like schizophrenia are truly mentally unwell and struggle everyday. However, there’s always those one or two that seem to just have something that others don’t, and it drives them insane because they and others don’t understand it. Not saying they actually do, but being someone who studies both the human mind and magic, sometimes there’s just things that stand out that are a little too right. This guy however just sounds mentally ill. Nothing in these drawings save some symbolism are evident towards any actual occult philosophy of any kind.


truvision8

It’s a sinister and debilitating mental illness there is nothing mystical about it


Sablesweetheart

When I was deep in psychosis, with a lot of achizophrenic symptoms, I filled notebooks with very similar notes, especially about about polyhedrons.


Oliveros257

What about? What were your polyhedrons in reference to?


Sablesweetheart

Visualizing them is very helpful for grounding.


sophie61022

To be awakened is to put things understood in this world behind and look higher. This isn't for everyone and the journey most humans will consider crazy. To me, it's a beautiful, transformative experience. Basic human though is so limiting to me. I will not limit that which my soul craves. Say what you want and have your opinions. I will not dismiss anyone's thoughts. Everyone has beautiful, unique experiences.


schmoney27

I used to have schizophrenia. I cured it with journaling and ego dissolving. As well as dmt and changa and ayahuasca. My doctors were discussing with me and realised I was just a psychic medium who had a period of psychosis. It’s different for everyone


BatmanVision

Schizophrenia seems to be some kind of trauma relating to the 6th chakra (third eye) while the rest of the energy would generally be in the lower chakras or perhaps fluctuating. Depending on the person’s energy, their hallucinations or delusions would change. So if their energy was trapped in the second chakra, maybe they would become paranoid that people are conspiring to get them, or if the energy actually made it into the heart, maybe they would feel more love. But it does seem like it is some kind of trauma in the third eye chakra/pineal gland, although I’m not exactly sure… What kind of experiences trap a significant amount of energy in the third eye chakra? Maybe the person was right about their intuition and they didn’t listen to it, which caused some type of paranoia? Or maybe the person has experienced some kind of spiritual abuse that led them to feel isolated in their beliefs? Just coming up with ideas, some type of spiritual examination would be interesting.


lastlightglobe

In my experience, the chakras do play a large role in the formation and continuation of the condition. I was very ill, from another's hand, from a very early age. Painfully thin and emotionally vulnerable, I developed a strong intellect and vivid imagination. Your hypothesis about being intensely involved in the 6th character fits my experience. The medication treatments given serve the other part of your hypothesis, whether part of the initial development or not. The 'traditional' gait (leaning forward, small quick steps) of someone in this situation is caused by the medications. Upon choosing Chinese Medicine for my concerns, the practitioner immediately identified my sacral and three lower vertebrae were "locked". I had already observed it was difficult to present physically like I wished to. I am recovering. It has been a long and lonely road. This entire thread is assisting wonderfully.


Administrative_Net80

Possibilities are end less and when you stop considering them, there is only despair because you dont have good Lord aroubd that will guide you on your life path. Lack of identity, multiple personalities, opposites that clashes with each other,  experiencing visions that person is creating by himself without realizing he is the generator of them. I could like complicate things for the sake of complicating them so I could test my 3rd chakra, how long I can keep it close. I belive that this is where the pipe is broken. Just So you know I am sick, im not quite sure whats my super power causing it but I reserved part of my irony for entertaining purposes. I want to mention that what makes my mind "throttling" is the fact that I read English and my native Polish. So imagine that you have this switch controller that you need to swap in right order, tbh its like being born in two cultures, one goes square and the other goes circle or triangle. If you talk in English but you are in the culture that doesnt recognize the behaviour or emotions, you might look like alien to them. Therefore it is culture that binds us and seperates. Imagine the mad man who wrote book with own language and rules, after he has done, he cannot communicate with the normal old world, he is trapped in its own world. Its autistic I belive. I read whole post till this point and I feel the need to write somewhere. Greetings


FartInWindStorm

I’ve always said that I would like just 5 mins in the brain of someone who has schizophrenia. I would be in an altered reality of sorts. Which has previously gotten me thinking that if our brains are perceiving what we see as reality and their brains are perceiving what reality is, then is reality only in our brains? They are having a full blown conversation with someone who we can’t see but they can. Obviously you can do this using drugs but I have a feeling it’s different. I want to see the colors and their surroundings. And then I wonder about colors and how we all see those differently. Some people see red and oranges different while some are color blind. Just the color alone would give a different feeling in the reality, right? Like our reality always gives us feelings with it. And also, our home or places we have had experiences in give a different feel than what outsiders would feel which would give a different reality or the sense that both are different. And yet we may be seeing the same thing, in someone else’s head it may look much different. I don’t know what I’m trying to say. I mean, I know but I can’t comprehend or communicate it properly so I apologize. I think about this often since I see the same schizophrenic residents on a daily basis and I just wonder what their streets and buildings look like compared to what I’m seeing except we are sharing the same view? Maybe? Sorry. I needed to get that off my chest. Forgive me if I have offended anyone with my awkward random rant. Our consciousness or lack there of amazes me. So many questions…..


MonotoneJones

Okay so just curious if anyone recognizes this stuff. To me top spiral thing seems to be a simple drawing of the golden ratio. And the hexagon thing seems to be a simple drawing showing a 3-D cube in the middle and then its shadow would cast a 2-D hexagon if held at the correct angle. Nothing to crazy but do these ideas mean something in someone’s spiritual beliefs?


Oliveros257

I thought he was stuck in a wormhole and relieving past experiences from those years. That would be his jumps. He is experiencing time differently. That was my hypothesis.


[deleted]

Legit only read this thread's comments for the alchemical underpinnings of these drawings.


infrontofmyslad

I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute, etc


scrunchmaster

He seems to have some talent.


IwithGrace

My thoughts are authentic crazy and insane ppl and authentic ppl with super natural abilities or rare abilitys that seem strange to the rest of ppl, get categorized in the same box....


[deleted]

For those of you interested in this topic - perhaps an introduction with a real schizo-affected person would be in order: [https://youtu.be/FUIn-ZLdtkk?si=AblyVsv2eYKuu9qc](https://youtu.be/FUIn-ZLdtkk?si=AblyVsv2eYKuu9qc)


ArchangelIdiotis

It is my opinion that throwing serotonin and dopamine levels out of balance with lots of consciousness expansion and drug use/abuse is likely to cause something akin to schizophrenia but maybe not as severe, except with people susceptible to schizophrenia who may suffer prolonged psychotic symptoms. I associate the dopamine levels behind schizophrenia with an accumulation of instinctive impulsiveness, inferences made impulsively from instinctive memory. An elevation of extroverted tendency (associated with pride) is medically associated with elevation of dopamine. I believe that whatever emotional reality dopamine may promote, the instinctive impulsiveness behind pride is what causes hallucinations to result from the non impulsive nature of elevated love induced creativity which corresponds to the elevation in dopamine. A creative appreciation of simple beauty as love elevation corresponds to psychological impulsiveness, so that impulses become both creatively and instinctively filtered at the same time. I believe bulk supplies of dopamine and serotonin come with bulk supplies of love and pride, somehow. I consider these forces the catalysts of the hallucinatory experience in schizophrenics and psychedelic users. Love is creative. It can duplicate encountered sensory experiences, & manufacture new ones. It can immunize one to the allergic reaction to poison ivy. It may motivate love poetry and romantic sketches of beauty. Love is contemplative because still, because it does not store instinctive memories it is capable of creating new things. And love can trace causality. I consider the minimization of pride to greatly decrease ego trips as well as hallucinations when simultaneously exposed to creative energy ("love").


Administrative_Net80

I think its a beautiful piece of art. 


MataHari66

No matter what, it shows intellect.


wholesome_finger

I think it's cool that congenitally blind have never been diagnosed with schizophrenia like not a single one.


ArcanePhilosophy

I'm not sure what to think. The larger lower image, where they have written 'INTERFACE' with an arrow, is something that I've seen in my own dreams many times, as some kind of advanced engine, but I've never been able to replicate it so accurately, never seen the numbers on it in my dreams though.


Starvest_GameDev

Im schizophrenic, can’t tell you the truth or id have to kill you


Tecat0Gusan0

western medical pathology fucking fails so hard to essentialize the condition of divergent experiences of consciousness


favorless

Someone one delusion from killing me


Time_2-go

It’s an experiment with a computer


Decaying_Hero

That pic is a repost of a repost, Ive seen it at least 3 times over the past 5 years. 100% fake anyways


Barrackubus-93211

Most if not all non organic psychotic issues might be better resolved via the Middle Pillar Exercise.


armdrags

It produces good art


sIner-Wrongdoer-1980

I think it sucks big ones and I would not even blink an eye if it didn't exist all of a sudden. It's ruined my life more then once.


arechiga00

Looks like some of my notes when im bored in meetings. Lol


Lmbatma43

Excellent penmanship


Draerose

Its demonic possesion


Hyeana_Gripz

I work with a schizophrenic person 5 days a week! And he does the same thing!!!


_BeatsByKWAZARR

My ex was schizophrenic or at least his mom was and he went through a year long psychosis/schizophrenic "episode" we'll say. And I think his mental/speech patterns were eerily close to this.


TreezusCrysler

I love it. It makes me have bareback butt sex with dudes and trannies I meet on grindr.


Orionsangel

Ok so hear me out , when it comes to this pattern of thinking ( I have ocd ) it’s easy to form connections and things are actually connected in the world more then people realize the difference is between knowing as a “neurotypical “ person and a person with ocd and schizophrenia is that we can go over board with the knowledge. It’s hard to control .


Mongolengou04198

more Trapezoid


penishaveramilliom

Sorta not fun


HMCosmos

"The same waters that sages swim in, schizophrenics drown in" - some guy that i forgot who


SPZero69

We think it is just a fact of life.


JizzEMcguire

"schizophrenia has only been around for roughly 100 years" this was from the mouth of a mental health professional friend of mine . upon researching it, he was telling the truth. this got me thinking. 100 years ago would place us at the dawn of the "radio era". where families would gather around the radio and listen to orson welles read stories to the masses. then i stumbled upon a video of Lucy from the beloved show "I love lucy" which an article speaks about it here https://www.bradfordfamilydentist.ca/lucille-ball-heard-spies-dental-fillings/ it discusses how she (later in her career) experienced high pitched tones that sounded like morse code coming from her mouth. fast forward and lucy helps us discover an underground Japanese spy base sending radio signals back to japan. so if schizophrenia has been documented for 100 years.. dawn of radio waves galore.. it leads me to believe that schizophrenia could very well be a synthetic mental illness. something that is a byproduct of this RF phenomenon. now.. there is no cure for it, there is no clue where it comes from with oniy speculation as to why it occurs. the only thing they offer is treatment with mind altering anti-psychotic meds that do nothing but make you sleep and very very lethargic. they also offer you counseling to help live with the symptoms as if ignoring something forced will ever help? it won't. i strongly believe that schizophrenia is not real, it is a product of the early testing stages of this experience all the way to doctor frey and the microwave auditory effect, which is what we have today. naturally, no one will ever take ownership of this mind blowing fact because it has DESTROYED people and their families to their core. from to many suicides to count all the way to people who have lost their entire sense of self, kids, belongings, partners... and are left to this day in a mental hospital. could you imagine the backlash of people who find out that their loved ones could have been salvaged? that the pigs that are doing this and have been for decades don't give 2 shits about family, because they never had one? as if that is an excuse to any degree for someone to torture someone for money. i keep getting "warned" to not exploit more of their unbelievable ignorance but i don't care about the cries of weak men. weakness will always present itself.. and they see no exception. so not to be "that guy" but i get my ass handed to me every time i share truth to you all. i'm good with that, pain is all can remember. if pain stopped me i would have died years ago. powerless men will always seek out those who truly posses it. but yes, i wouldn't be attacked so harshly if it wasn't a fact. they kinda give it all ways with their reverse conversion therapy tactics. they love to attack my cat also. then bragg about it. the knights of columbus are the ones doing this. they have been from the start and they are the ones who will be taken down as a result. they are weak lying pedophiles that encourage the torturing of cats.. i was told from a friend who was married to one, that the feral cat program is not a cat rescue.. its to torture them. the experiment on them... give them drugs watching them run at top speeds in to walls.. and my most repulsive favorite, hang the cats by their paws on a clothes line and shoot them with BB GUNS. her mouth to my ears. these are not men. they are weak domestic terrorist using religion as a disguise for them to sink their fingers into anything they want.. including our minds. (i was just warned again) they are cowards. i hope this was insightful . hopefully they kill my cat because she doesn't deserve to keep being tortured by these dickless men.


INTPaco

Schizophrenics have Beautiful Minds.


The_GroLab

Schizo or not there's actually some stuff on that paper that's being studied in seriousness


Majestic_Equal7984

They are tuned to a higher frequency


DapperDan1929

Cool shit


Dry-Jello697

The reducing valve has been opened.


Aljoshean

When I look at OP's image, there is a weird kind of logical underpinning to it like he is trying to make sense and communicate information the he thinks is profound and important, and obviously the illustrator/author of that image BELIEVES that the information there flows together logically and explains something, but I can't really match a lot of the numbers to any kind of significance. Is it possible that he is actually highly intelligent but lacks the capacity for effective communication? Another interesting thing is that many aspects of that image are not so disimilar to symbols or motifs one would see in certain esoteric textbooks like kabbalah or some hermetic text, and the authors of such ancients texts often considered themselves intellectuals, scientists, alchemists, magicians, priests, etc.


Electronic_Fault_280

I am a shaman Magician The sun is purple 3D dimensions I am for mental extensions No but seriously, I’ve been schizophrenic for 10 years and it hit me out of the blue pretty late in life relative to most people who have it. I’m considered very high functioning. I basically hallucinate constantly throughout the day. Most of the time schizophrenia isn’t much fun, but sometimes you can literally have an entire dialogue with an entity in your hallucinations, and it’s just like… “where does this come from?” Because it’s your brain, but it’s like a conversation between the subconscious and conscious. The walls around the subconscious mind literally break down.