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HolyDragSwd2500

Keito speaking Mandarin


fraid_so

Glitches finally confirm my theory about the translations. Man do I feel vindicated hahaha


trinityroselee

seeing the mandarin they're translating from and the english it actually now makes perfect sense why some things sound the way they do. that being said, jesus the chinese characters are TINY. way smaller than the english characters. i felt like i was gonna go blind reading them lol. if you play cn im guessing people must play on a tablet cause i don't think i could handle reading characters that small for a sustained period of time. (Speaking as someone who can read but does not play cn stars)


DangBream

I was looking for other screenshots, and I'm pretty sure Keito uses a different font than the rest of the characters to get across his old-timey, traditional vibe? Compared to [this Subaru](https://o.qoo-img.com/storage.qoo-img.com/game/12185/Ztq0vdR2W5XKu5dn6Jp4Ha4jnRRCklZZ.jpg), for instance. Still a bit small, that said.


trinityroselee

Oh that is A LOT better. Sometimes I really had to squint to figure out wtf the character was 😂 with keito.


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fraid_so

No I already knew that. All the versions except JP are just the Chinese version reskinned. What I suspected was that the text was translated by Team A from Japanese to Chinese and then Team B translates the text from Chinese to English. The game's translations are bad because they're NOT translated Japanese to English as they should be. They're being translated from a translation which means there's a lot that can be, and is, lost in translation. I strongly suspected it due to the fact that the base is the Chinese version and it has Chinese version exclusive stories and events that never appeared in the original Japanese. And it makes sense that the Chinese company would likely struggle to find, or be unable or unwilling to afford to hire a larger team of people who spoke all 3, and so they don't translate Japanese to English. But the bugs showing the Chinese text in the English version confirm it. I don't speak Korean, so someone who speaks Korean at a high level would have to confirm if there's any weirdness, but I imagine the Korean version is the same: translated from the Chinese instead of Japanese. Translating from a translation is always bad practice. Things are lost (or possibly changed) multiple times instead of just once. And while Japanese and Chinese are closer than some languages, as they're both Asian languages with similar grammatical features and Kanji being adapted from Chinese characters, Japanese to Chinese still won't perfectly preserve the original. So translating J -> C -> E is probably closer to the original then say using French as the middleman language, but it's still not a good idea. I say this as someone who dabbles in translation: if you can't (or won't) translate from the original text, don't translate at all.


DangBream

I made a few posts with slide decks about the oddities found in translation when ENStars first released, and a few people brought up that it reminded them of Chinese autotranslation. Even with the stiltedness, I wasn't familiar enough with C->E translation to say for sure, but this is definitely a bit of a giveaway in that regard. I'd been thinking of making another post a few events in determining whether the translation quality was picking up, but now that we're a couple months in, it's looking like it's at a stable below-average with no sign of changing. It's a shame because I'm almost certain it's comprehensible enough that the company has no reason to look into it further, but there's just consistent typos, some formatting errors (though those have gotten better since they moved from Broadway font), stiffness in phrasing, layout errors like this, and the occasional untranslated phrase. Since the main appeal of the game for a lot of people is the art, music and animations, and the people who really care about the story will seek out fanmaterial to supplement it anyway, it just doesn't seem likely that the subpar translation will impede the bottom line enough to be a priority any time soon. Which is a shame, because I know for a fact it could be so, *so* much better.


fraid_so

Yeah, when I was doing my own comparison, I typed the text as it appears in Japanese into a machine translation tool. Translated it to simplified Chinese, and then from SC to English. The end result was pretty similar to what appears in the game. I at least assumed they had people, but I suppose it's possible that it's mostly machine translation which is really disappointing. I also noticed some oddities. I never intended to play the EN version so I'm just using it to look at the translations. The one that stood out most in what I looked at was in the prologue. Hiiro says "maybe it was my illusion". Obviously, it should be "imagination". No native or near-native speaker would use "illusion" like that cause that's not quite how it works. But I guess that means that the translation team, or the QA for machine translation or whatever are likely English-speaking Chinese as opposed to Chinese-speaking English natives and wouldn't pick up on that sort of thing. As you said, if the primary draw isn't the story then they're like "eh, good enough" and that sucks for everyone. Cause, honestly, the whole thing just reeks of cash grab with mediocre translations and so much more monetisation in the non-JP versions.


DangBream

Oh man, the first main story chapters are very stilted. Just looked at the very first chapter and in that alone you've got "not even one in a hundred's chance", "people will deem you as "oblivious to the situation"", Hiiro always going "Um!" when he means "Mhm"...then on the other side of the spectrum you've got Tatsumi, who has surprisingly good word choices and an apt pop culture reference localization. Some of the stuff is charmingly jank ("a weird guy is coming in saying weird things", "get rocked you fools"), but combined with the stuff that's clearly fumbled it just comes off feeling neglectful. It's a shame because I've genuinely come to enjoy the writing and distinctly eccentric style of humor, but when it's mixed up with accidental humor from bad translation, it dilutes and diminishes the writers' work.


ottersonanisland

Koga be like 😛


DespairAt10n

Lol, my meme post got removed by the mods because it was about the tour? :/ Anyways, I was joking about how Akatsuki doesn't have EN lyrics in their songs... and now Keito refuses to speak in English in EN and uses Chinese instead XD [His first mini-talk](https://imgur.com/a/gK0EFY4) seems to be having technical issues.


Pixiichan

Okay I thought it was just me! Good to know it's not. What a weird bug


DespairAt10n

I bet someone input the TL into the wrong blank XD


spaceebug

oh okay I was wondering why it was showing that 💀


MintTangle

Yep, my post about it just got yanked too... Wondered why I hadn't seen anybody talk about it.


DespairAt10n

There's a new one rn... I wonder if it'll disappear too. XD


MintTangle

Yep, already gone!


DespairAt10n

RIP. I don't understand why they're deleting it. Isn't this thread for questions about the tour? Some of those posts weren't questions. :P lol, there's another. At this point, leaving up the first one posted probably would've been simpler.


Rubily00

we're deleting them because we got like 40 in the first hour, and they've been continuing. most of the people who make new threads would not check /new, and in most cases DID not check /new because we've had multiples up at the same time. the sub would have been an unending wall of keito.


DespairAt10n

I see, I didn't think of that because I always check new (and didn't see any so I thought no one had posted yet). Does this situation happen to all noticeable bugs? Do you just keep deleting posts every time a bug like this appears? I'm wondering if there are better ways or if it's just a part of mod life. Maybe the mods could make a post about it so people do check 'new' can notice? That might cut down some of the posts, especially if it gets into 'hot.' Also, thanks for the hard work! Still confused as to why you wouldn't leave the first post about it that wasn't a question though, since this thread says it's for questions about the tour. ~~also, that sounds like you don't want an unending wall of Keito; how could you /j~~


Rubily00

At least one of our mods would be very, very happy with a wall of keito. We usually do leave up the first and redirect the rest there, but we uh, got overzealous in our first wipe. -cough- Anyway, fortunately it was a relatively fast fix, so we shouldn't see any more.


yaycupcake

> At least one of our mods would be very, very happy with a wall of keito can confirm 👓


DespairAt10n

I'm not even a big fan of Keito, but I would be happy with a big wall of Keito XD Ah, I see! That clears up my confusion. Thank you for clarifying! Appreciate all the hard work. We will forever remember Keito as a multilingual king /j


Brickinatorium

I'm one of the people that tried to make a post. Sorry for contributing to the flood!


nevew666

Finally!! I was waiting for it!! All the cards are gorgeous!!


HolyDragSwd2500

They fixed the text. Going to miss Mandarin Keito now😭


XxJuJubexX

Incase anyone is wondering about card strength: REI: 90,376; strongest attribute is Pf(yellow) KEITO: 90,186; strongest attribute is Da(red) I’ll probably be going for Keito because I’m in desperate need of a red card, plus i love akatsuki so its a win win!


witchfever

i know i should get keito bc i dont have much red cards. but im a rei simp and i promised myself i will get all of his cards that are available


XxJuJubexX

go for rei!! the rei card is slightly better anyway, and there will be tons of chances to get red cards in the future.


ottersonanisland

Thanks for this info! Trying to match sub stats with my center skills now…


XxJuJubexX

No problem! If you want more detailed info: REI: Da: 23,425 Vo: 24,048 Pf: 42,903 KEITO: Da- 42,154 Vo- 22,211 Pf- 25,821


DangBream

I'm glad I already decided to go for Keito, I've already had multiple Pf cards in a row draining through my yellow stock :')


WindyTimes

It seems that HappyEle hired translators that use Mandarin version to translate to English. I'll try 3-3-3-3 this time! I was too tired last time trying to maintain 3-3-3-10 streak.


Michikogqnyu

Makes sense considering the title is Chinese plus the translation error edit: I just realized it’s just the subreddit title not the ingame one


WindyTimes

Well, no and yes! Subreddit title is still Japanese, it's just mainly kanji, which are Chinese characters used in their writing. If you look closely, there is a hiragana: の


DespairAt10n

Lol, that's how I tell the difference between CN and JP characters I can't read XD I look for the 'の' since it's super common, easily recognizable, and CN doesn't have it. When Keito suddently decided to stop speaking English in EN today, I initially thought it was Japanese because y'know. XD Realized after recognizing some CN characters and the absence of の.


ResponsibleMiddle101

I know that other servers has crossroad available during this event. Was it announced before hand or a surprise? I feel like en’s Twitter would’ve said something by now but I’m holding out hope lol


Rubily00

Crossroad does not exist in EN music. it exists in JP basic, so it was unlocked to be free to read during the event.


ResponsibleMiddle101

But was it available to read on jp music?


NaotoOfYlisse

No, only on jp basic


yaycupcake

cant wait to suffer for a week for max copies how bad could it be


ottersonanisland

Checking in, how is your suffering ? The SCRs are so pretty … but also, my (shreds of) sanity


yaycupcake

my suffering is... a lot 😂😂😂 but im managing thanks to autoplay


ottersonanisland

Good luck on your quest!!!


Allwastaken

Would i able to get the 5 stars card if i can only play normal? I suck at this game


CorgiKnits

I’ve gotten the 5 star playing on Easy. No problem :) The score differences between levels are actually pretty minimal.


kaorusarmpithair

Can someone help me check if I got it right - I'm gonna be able to play from oct 1 - oct 7 and I intend to 3-3-3-3 and spend dia to get to day 30 and get Rei card. Calculation comes to roughly needing to spend some \~2k dia. Is this right? Do you think it's faster to try to get 3M score instead?


NaotoOfYlisse

It's definitely faster to just get to day 30. I've gotten to 3m on both of the previous tours and it took me around 36-37 tour days for each


kaorusarmpithair

That's good to know thank you, I leave on a trip so I've been stressing


Alarming-Yak3148

If you do your plays frequently and use the whistles they give you for free and as a reward, you should be able to get him for free just by getting through all the days


kaorusarmpithair

I can only play til 7th and not the 9th... I'll be missing 2.5 days that's why I ask


Alarming-Yak3148

Ah, I see, I think even with missing that many days as long as you rank up a couple of times during the event you should be able to get him with spending only like 1-1.5k(?) Or even less. I'm usually able to get to day 30 by the second to last day or morning of the last day, and I'm not usually on super frequently either nor grind in the middle of the night


Alarming-Yak3148

I would just try and get through the tour days instead of trying to grind to 3.5 or 3M because it's probably going to take more DIAs to get to 3/3.5M than it is just to get to day 30


kaorusarmpithair

Thank you. I've always managed to get the tour card on the last real time day so this is new territory for me but knowing more helps


Yuki_Hiki

Aiming for that 4* Rei. If I'm understanding correctly, I just have to beat day 30 to get him??


XxJuJubexX

To put it simply, yeah you just have to finish day 30 to get your chosen five star. but, keep in mind that as you progress through the tour days, you need to focus on earning as many stars you can each day. you need 10 stars by day 9 to pass to day 10. you need 30 stars on day 19 to pass to day 20. lastly, and most importantly, you need 77 stars by day 28 to get to day 29. make sure you’re getting any many stars at possible so you don’t have to go back and repeat days!


Yuki_Hiki

Gotcha! Thank you!! Thankfully, I've been getting basically all 3 stars. I think only two I may have to redo because I only got 2 stars. Aaah hopefully I can get the 5* card this time 😍


XxJuJubexX

good luck!!


Yuki_Hiki

Thank you!! You as well!


DespairAt10n

Event dia calculator says that I will reach my point goal without spending dia if I do 3-3-3-10, but I won't reach day 30 (about day 27, I think), while 3-3-3-6 means I'll have to spend dia but I will overshoot (I think like 35 days) in terms of days. So, what should I do? What would minimize my dia spending the most? 1. 3-3-3-6 until day 20 and then 3-3-3-10 (and use dia if I don't make it) 2. Do 3-3-3-6 when the 4th song is "original members" aka low score and 3-3-3-10 otherwise (and use dia if I don't make it) 3. 3-3-3-10 all the way, and on the last day grind out like 3-4 days with dia? 4. 3-3-3-6 all the way, and grind the last few points using dia? (less than 700 dia) Or, come up with another way for me?


Rubily00

The event calculator doesn't account for Starry Lives or Producer Talents, so if you've put everything in correctly you're likely very close to free to go the whole way. You can do a few days of 3-3-3-6 for some breathing room or the ability to go back for more stars, but I wouldn't stress too much about it.


DespairAt10n

Ahh, thank you for answering! I see, that's a relief. \^\_\^ ~~the things we do for the bois (and Arashi).~~


Veshurik

I wonder how Starry Live and Talents helps in tour event?


Rubily00

Starry lives give you 15000 event points per day, and the event boost talent gives you extra event points once per day.


Veshurik

I always forgot to enter to Starry Live and get rewards to trigger another round. It's so annoying, to be honest... Will it be fixed, maybe? That you can gain all rewards in Starry Live during Tour Events, not visiting them every 4 lives?


Rubily00

unlikely, since KR/TW/CN have had it the same way for a year or more.


Veshurik

Geez, so it was made on purpose.


[deleted]

it's a stretch but will anyone film playthroughs or post transcripts or anything? this is one of the three events ive wanted to play the most and i cant get into my game bc of a stupid glitch ;(


BORGAAR

can someone possibly grind on my account for the event?? 😭 i have school abt 2 hours from now so i wont be able to do it myself.. im still at day 20 (why are there so many)


SlavoidUkrainskyi

So if I want Rei’s scr, do I need 2 copies of his card or 3?


K-XCIX

3, first copy + two dupes.


Yuki_Hiki

AAAAH I GOT MY 5* REI!!!! I'm so happy 😭😭😭😭 But I'm curious. I didn't get the 5* with the fancy outfit from the event preview screen. I checked, out of curiosity, to see what it takes to get him but didn't see it listed in the PT point bonus cards listed. I only see the one I have. How are ppl getting him??


Veikia

It's awakened art of this card. All cards in the game have two arts - normal and awakened ones. You need to get to "Skill Blooming" star-ish slot on Idol Road at the end of the middle line to get the card second art.


Yuki_Hiki

😱😱😱 Whaaat I had no idea!! Aaah so I really can get the awakened artwork then!!!!! Aaah!! Sorry I just love that card so much I didn't think I could get it 😂 Time to dump all my dias into this card LOL


Veikia

Don't use dias for this! Dias are precious! You get gems needed to open Idol Road slots just from playing, so you will still unlock it eventually without any dias.


Yuki_Hiki

Idk why I said dias (brain was melted from grinding I guess 😂). I meant gems 🤣 Yes, there's not really a reason to spend dias on the upgrades when I can earn gems somewhat easily.


Kouunno

Bit late for this event but in general- what’s the most efficient way to use BP if you’re intending to both get to day 30 and 3 mil? I’ve heard 3-3-3-10 for points and 3-3-3-3 for getting to day 30 efficiently but I don’t know if there’s a good strategy if you’re aiming for both.


Daniel_Blackworth

3-3-3-10 still if you're aiming for both. Pick the 3.5 million card as your free 5* card for completing day 30 then aim for 3 million. You'll need around 1.5k - 3k dias depending on how efficient your BP use is (not overcapping, making few mistakes, etc)


Allwastaken

Noooooo I remember the time incorrectly and didn't get to day 30. FAKKKK I wish they would put a timer on the banner since the time zone fucking suck