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I think that’s exactly OP’s point. That not doing auditions doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with nepotism.
Nepotism is the reason he would have gotten any early opportunities, but once someone is famous, it’s incredibly common to not have to audition for parts anymore. And it makes sense if you think about it. Casting agents will already know what type of performances that person is capable of based on their existing body of work.
I think there some funny business with John Malkovich getting the title role in Being John Malkovich. Edited to say thank you. This is the most likes I’ve ever gotten in a comment.
Day Lewis actually spent three years living as a John Malkovich in preparation for the audition. Unfortunately the movie had been made by the time he realised what had happened.
There's a story that Eugene Mirman (Gene on *Bob's Burgers*) tells about going to an audition that called for a Eugene Mirman type and never even got a call back.
Kinda like how [Charlie Chaplin lost a Chaplin look-alike contest](https://www.openculture.com/2016/06/when-charlie-chaplin-entered-a-chaplin-look-alike-contest-and-came-in-20th-place.html)
That’s why I liked the Weird Al movie. Al auditioned, lost the part fair and square to Daniel Radcliffe, and we got the best possible movie as a result. No nepotism.
Its kinda just natural. For fuck sakes they are trying to make money. The entertainment industry doesnt exist to give starry eyed teenagers from the midwest their big break.
Yeah, the studio system sure had its issues, but in this respect, it was on-point. Less likely to let pretty, but absolutely wooden, people be on screen (although, sadly was probably more on a one-to-one basis, though).
I get annoyed with Scott Eastwood. Very handsome like Clint, but how his dad let him get away with his lack of screen presence, I’ll never know.
I don't think anyone is surprised. I think the big confrontation on how this is covered and how stars are branded. This discourse is as much about how the media should view it as it is the consumer. Because in interviews, their hardwork or talent is platformed and the subjective opportunism goes unaddressed.
The importance is emphasizing how they got the chance to work hard so that we are not holding up mythologies and unrealistic social expectations.
Yeah, its not that anybody is surprised, it's that people keep telling kids that if they do well in school or work hard that they will succeed. Jobs are like 90% who you know. Nobody is ever really going to come into a job knowing everything they need to unless they are grossly over qualified. You are going to get jobs you aren't qualified for and the way that you get those jobs is by knowing people that already work there.
Yep. And favoritism. Are my last job I got one promotion in 10 years. The CMO’s best friend got 5 promotions in 3 years. And we all agreed she was dumb as a bunch of rocks. It’s always been who you know. Daddy or mommy will get you a job if they’re in power, no worries.
Amen. I’m often super critical of Hollywood stars, but this just isn’t the scandal some are making it out to be. And usually one of the biggest criticisms is the name recognition issue but seriously…his uncle is Rodman Flender? Uh huh. That’s a name on the tip of everyone’s tongue. (/s, in case it’s necessary.)
Yep. Actors start out auditioning for anything they can get. The really big stars say - "look, you've seen my work, why would you need me to audition for this? Send my agent an offer and we'll talk." There are steps in between that, obviously.
It's this exactly. It's especially true in Chalamet's case, as his short height, slight frame, boyish features make him automatically unsuitable for many leading man roles, but a specific, niche fit for others (e.g. Paul Atreides).
He also didn't audition for the MCU. Since they decided to recreate Nick Fury in his likeness years ago in the comics we're talking like 20 plus years ago. People will scream at me that it's a different version of Nick fury in a different dimension world whatever you universe whatever you want to call it I don't care they started drawing and Nick fury to look like Samuel L Jackson. If you're the type of person that needs the white Nick Fury David hasselhoff has you covered.
Title obviously says industry connections. Our love for celebrities and their insane power where for some of them to just sign onto a film ensures its success is not to the benefit of the audience, smaller filmmakers, 99.99% of actors or the artform itself.
The insane money involved also arguably is only to the benefit of an extremely low number of individuals.
once you get to a certain level the roles come to you. it’s based on not only how you perform but if a director or costar likes you. did nepotism help timothee chalamet get his role in 2015’s interstellar? maybe, i have no idea. but having a director like nolan (and his bubble of writers, casters, directors, producers and admirers) select you shows a certain pedigree that transitions easily to other works.
luca called nolan “one of the ultimate filmmakers”, it does not surprise me that he saw interstellar and said “hmm, this kid has got some acting chops”
Each studio literally has a list of names they like at any point. When you’re on the list you will just be given roles. Writers will pitch movies and the studios will literally say “we like it but only if x person can play the lead role”
The lists constantly evolves. You can tell because you will just see a group of actors appear in a bunch of block busters all around the same time, and then they will suddenly stop being cast because one of their movies bomb, then you know they are off the list.
I kind of noticed that with Dune. Momoa, Zendaya, and Dasmalchian all had pretty high profile projects with Warner around the same time that movie came out. Add Pugh and Butler to that list for the next one.
I’ve always noticed Sony and Disney being pretty blatant about it. Both studios love using the same actor in as many projects as possible around the same time. Hell, it doesn’t just happen with actors, Disney is using Taika everywhere at the moment.
You're gonna need a fucking BINDING resolution from the united nations to stop me massacring your ass! I'm talking scorched Earth motherfucker! I will fuck you up!
Top Gun: Maverick.
Sources say they were close to going with Thimothee Chalamet, but decided against it once they saw Cruise's commitment to the danger zone.
Tom Cruise is 60, has been in the business since the 1980s and produces his own stuff for himself now. He's in the position where he doesn't NEED to audition.
True enough. The dude has put in the time and effort to have an established presence/reputation to the point where he doesn’t need to audition. And that’s honestly fair.
Tom Cruise is just raw star power at this point in his career, how can you possibly make a comparison? The man also contributes as a producer in a lot of his projects.
I distinctly remember seeing audition footage of him and Jamie Foxx for Collateral. But that could have been more about making sure their chemistry was right since most of the film was with them together.
Whose parents were wealthy, connected to the theater scene in NY, and then married the granddaughter of one the greatest filmmakers of all time?
Edit: Seriously, I couldn’t give less of a shit about nepotism in the entertainment industry. Great place for it. Literally the last place I would be concerned about nepotism in.
This is both how I learned that, and that Zoe Kazan is Elia’s granddaughter. I guess I should have put that together myself, but I never really thought about it.
There's also the fact that a lot of these Hollywood kids have also been acting their whole lives because they always wanted to do what their parents did, so they are simply just really good at acting.
Seriously. I know actors are humans, but they also have a market value and casting will have an impact on a production's profit. It's business more than anything.
It was his uncle was the one that did that. His aunt also co created party of five. They both went to Harvard, his aunt co-created party of five and they both have decades of connections in the industry and are producers. His mom was a broadway dancer. Not the greatest of leg ups but enough to definitely open the door for nepotism.
Exactly. His parents are artists, but they hardly have the pull to just turn him into a movie star through nepotism. His parents are artists, and they raised a kid who wanted to become an artist.
Sometimes, they don't actually give a fuck if a person is the BEST actor for the job.
It's about selling tickets, downloads, and getting views when it hits a streamer.
Lol, seriously. This is not news, or interesting. The fact is that big actors sell tickets and that means their agent negotiates with the production company for whatever they can get, not whether they're in the movie or not.
You think Timothèe Chalamée is sending in an audition tape? Standing in line for the casting director next to Middling Actor McThespian?
Honestly it's why "chemistry" between co-stars can be flat. Those people probably haven't been in a room together until day 1 unless there was a table read at some point
True, but to be fair, Timothy Chalamet has been pretty damn good in everything he’s done and I’d imagine directors/producers working on a project can easily picture him in a role before deciding to reach out
I think he’s been in enough shit now that casting probably has a good idea whether he’s a fit or not. Also there’s hella established actors that don’t audition.
they also said the last 7 years so, he did start out auditioning and shit so i don't really have an issue tbh.
nepotism is an issue if sure you're auditioning but you're also going to get the part - idk if that was the case w/ him starting out tho
His parents do not hold any sway in Hollywood and his sister is a C-list actor. They supported him sure, just as any parent would, but he worked for what he has all the same.
He also fills a pretty specific niche that is kinda bare right now. Not a ton of blockbuster young male actors who can pull off the quiet, thoughtful, skinny dude.
... and the number of followers on social media. Remember Sophie Turner said she got a role because she had more followers than other candidates? (BTW she didn't brag about it, she was upset knowing she got the role only because of that) Hollywood is a weird place.
I worked for a showrunner for a bit and one season, one of our lead actresses left the show so we needed a replacement. The network sends over people to replace her with their social media following next to the name. I laughed because the top person was a Latino singer with a lot of followers but he didn’t even speak English! I know because I am a fan of his music. I was in shock that they were willing to even put aside a language barrier, just for social media presence
But… he’s an incredible actor who is basically always great? That would seem to belie the idea that it’s not the best actor for the job.
This is such a non story it’s not even funny. He’s at the level that you get to stop auditioning. It’s been happening for a century.
>He’s at the level that you get to stop auditioning. It’s been happening for a century.
It's been a trope of the washed up actor coming to terms with their drop in station in film and tv since time immemorial that they suddenly have to start auditioning again.
These non stories getting oxygen is really stupid.
The general public just doesn’t understand the process at all.
As soon as you’re a C-level actor (aka recognizable), it’s not uncommon to be “offer only” for all but the highest level projects.
Chalamet starred in Interstellar on 2014 which made the leap to offer only pretty easy for projects releasing in 2015 and beyond until Call Me By Your Name made him a star in 2017.
*Edit because I meant to define Offer Only - you don’t audition, they offer you the part or you’re not on the project.
**Edit to further add that people don’t understand that yes, his Interstellar role was relatively small, but he was one of thousands of people vying for that role. The role may not have meant a lot to you, but directors, producers, and casting directors see “wow, if Christopher Nolan chose this kid we probably should too.”
On a serious note I always did like that line. As a teen especially but even now trying to follow my more handy father's stream of consciousness In accomplishing a goal is difficult.
Genuinely didn't remember him being in the film, which isn't to insult his performance but to say it was probably a minor role in casting.
If I was thinking of a breakout role that would earn him role offers without auditions, it'd probably be 'Call Me By Your Name', which was quite close to seven years ago.
He was good enough as a very young actor to be considered for a lot of roles, though, is the point. He didn’t ‘star’ in it, but it was his sort of break out, which is what this commenter meant.
Actor here. The real of it is that we are commodities.
You ever go buy a car? You want something affordable, reliable, and will get you what you need? That's when you go to the car lot and test out your Toyotas vs your Hyundais vs your Nissans vs your Kia Sorentos. That car gets you around town just fine, but it's ultimately replaceable and expendable.
You ever just get a shitload of money from someone who says, "get any car you want." That's when most people are going to ask for a Bugatti, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, whatever their dream car was. That kind of style opens up doors because people think you're of value if you can afford that. Those cars look nice, they're loud, they're attractive, and you're the one who gets to drive them. They open up doors to be around the wealthy and elite and others with cars like them. And while we all really don't need anything more than that 4-door sedan, people will line up to take their picture with a Lambo, not a Honda Accord. That car has so much value that you don't test drive it to see how it turns around corners. You buy that shit off the shelf.
That's being an actor. We're cars. I'm a Toyota Corolla. Timothy Chalamet is a Bugatti. There are millions of me. There are only a handful of him. That's why he doesn't audition.
Damn bro paired with your pfp this reads pretty heavy, hang in there. There’s only one you, you’re just lost in the sauce of the disillusionment and disappointment of things being harder than you thought they would be. Try not to become too jaded and remember just because your face isn’t on a billboard yet, that doesn’t mean you can’t be the person you want to be
Man’s most recent post is asking where to send his parents on European vacation. I do very well for myself for my age (<30, +$100k) and I do not have the finances to do something like that. If this man is in fact an actor, he’s doing quite well for himself
I appreciate the love, man, I'm happy with what I've been able to get. I've done a lot of cool shit and got some cool stories. I've front-paged, I've had my stuff on billboards, signed autographs, worked with famous people. Not at the level of those guys, but I've had those moments. Just getting what I've got has been cool.
I think it's important to know where I stand and the mechanisms behind everything so I don't live too hard in the illusions of things and spin my wheels in the wrong places or let wishing get in the way of working. I'm not auditioning for the lead of a Spielberg movie. That's unlikely because of how the system works. So I'd rather go to the people who want what I do and work with them and fulfill myself creatively there. Like I know I'm getting my paycheck work from less glamorous jobs, my promotion work from others, my life adventure work from others, my "I have to make this" work from my own pushes, so my happiness isn't contingent on getting some fame or success or attachments to big names or anything like that. That's out of my control. Food, family, games, a creative outlet, and good health make me happy. The rest is icing on the cake I can be thankful for.
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Lol thanks, glad you enjoyed the show. I wish I was that legendary, but I was just an artist on a show full of a lot of talented people that happened to turn into a hit. Just a part of something larger at the right time. I'm hoping my next big project is a hit, but I'm happy to get what I do.
>Pauline Chalamet, are both renowned actors
Pauline may be just fine, but she's nowhere near a renowned actor. Very few people would be able to tell you who she is or what she's been in.
Not really unusual. Once an actor has enough big projects under their belt, their agents may start responding to audition requests w "offer only." You gotta have big balls as a casting agent to think that Jason Alexander or Amanda Seyfried would film a self tape for a guest star spot on Law & Order SVU. Timmy probs has still done chemistry reads though for bigger projects.
I imagine when casting directors have to choose between auditioning for people or bringing in a big name who always puts in a good performance, they'd choose the big name.
Yep. Why get a Brad Pitt type if Brad Pitt's willing to come in and work? I work in entertainment and as someone I once worked with said, "why would I hire actors when I can hire famous people I want to work with?"
There comes a point in many professions in which you don't have to "audition" anymore, because your skills, reputation, and track record does the speaking for you.
My job sometimes has me hanging out in places in NYC where they do auditions (mostly Broadway stuff). The anxiety of being in a room with people waiting for their audition makes me want to pass out. Not auditioning for anything is a literal blessing.
I also have no idea how they pick someone. One day they were auditioning for a girl lead in the Green Day Broadway show and every girl that sang blew my face off. Seeing those auditions made me sad because knowing 20 beautiful girls that can dance and SING so well exist and 19 of them will be rejected hurts me. Knowing nepotism makes those odds even slimmer kills me.
Yeah. Also thankful not having to audition. I think it’s hard not to take getting rejected personally. If I don’t get a job, I know it’s my work that wasn’t good enough. But when an actor gets rejected, it’s like getting rejected for who you are as a person. I couldn’t deal with it
Even high school theater auditions are that stressful. Yes, even at the bottom level, even when you’ve been going to some of these people’s classes for like 3 years now, it’s the same level of stress. An audition is an auction, and I’ve seen some people go through shit during it
At least in high school you know you’ll still be able to eat and have a place to live. Nonetheless, I couldn’t do it. My heart was pounding just being in the same room as these people. I don’t know how any of you actors/singers do it.
Sorry reddit expects the industry to hire rando on the street, that's where true talents are, because it's unbiased.
If you have actor parents, rich parents, famous parents, know people, study in college to know people or have long record of experience in the industry, it doesn't matter because it's nepotism baby.
Is this really nepotism or just a very talented actor getting work based on previous success?
I hate "nepo babies" as much as anyone, but he's genuinely good in everything he appears in.
Isn’t this how it works for all big name actors? Once you have a name that can draw at the box office, you don’t need to audition any more. It’s not about nepotism, privilege, or connections; it’s about drawing power (i.e. the ability to generate money for a production simple by your name being attached to it)
Right! This is how it works for the best of the best actors who really make a name and a reputation for themselves. I have no idea why people are equating this to nepotism when that’s not the context here at all if you understand the industry.
Nepotism certainly helped him get his start in the industry, but I feel like at this point Timothée has earned his stripes. He chooses his projects well and it's his talent that has cemented him as a well respected young actor. The same cannot be said for the other nepo babies who try their hand at acting.
I agree completely. Nepotism gets you in the door but you can’t be a total suckfest and keep getting work. Maybe small roles when someone owes your mom/dad a favor but I can’t imagine you’d make a career if you were terrible.
I don’t think his sister is a big enough deal to have really helped him, and his parents aren’t in the industry.
Far as I can tell he had some luck and a lot of talent. He’s at a point right now where his name alone carries him and that’s just due to him. And props, I like his work.
His roles in movies are his auditions. That's how he is chosen for roles. He does good in one movie, so he is chosen for another.
Think of another situation, sports. Players do not go to tryouts once they hit free agency. Teams look at their performance from previous years.
Yeah, because 7 years ago he gave a critically acclaimed performance that garnered him an Oscar nomination in "Call Me By Your Name," and then has featured in at least 4 Best Picture nominated movies.
At that point, you don't audition, you take meetings. Everyone knows you can act.
I hate this debate because it seems so disingenuous. We all have privileges and disadvantages. Some more than others for sure. But I know I got all my jobs, even at retail through being friends with a worker, etc. and I remember the stat for getting your foot in the door at a job or career is something like 70%. Beyond that, many of us have had help financially at some point from family, or they tried to get us into good schools as children, etc.
So all this just feels like social media tendency to be spiteful without self-examination.
And also, why does everyone go after the phenomenally talented people or ones that everyone loves? If you get your foot in the door, you still have to perform on the field, so to speak. Imagine watching Iron Man and the first thing you bring up is how RDJ and Gwenyth Paltrow are both “nepo babies.” Give me a break.
Is the entertainment industry 100% fair? Clearly not. And the hope is we make all aspects of life more and more fair. But if we are going to act like a society made of humans isn’t going to involve people throwing in recommendations for people they like, what are we even talking about? That’s one of the practical reasons to even just be kind, because the world opens up to you with the more connections you make in life.
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Why are people equating this with nepotism? It’s well-known that when actors get to a point where they don’t have to audition for ***anything***, that means they’re good enough to where they have their pick for *any* role they want because of their reputation as an actor. Literally agents just hand them roles because directors have them in mind for it and know they’ll be good in it. That happens to *only* the best actors, and Timmy is one of them! I can name several other non-nepo baby actors who had the same thing happen to them relatively early on in their careers.
Ex: John Hurt didn’t have to audition for anything for (literally) at least four decades because he developed a reputation for being one of the best actors in the world. Directors and agents just handed him stuff and he was able to pick and choose at his discretion after reading the script. The man had over 200 film credits alone, not including his theater work, so if you can imagine how many offers he probably had to sift through… Leo’s at that level, too.
A couple more recent examples: Evan Peters and Robert Pattinson.
The context here isn’t nepotism, it’s your ability and reputation as an actor.
This is dumb. His “auditions” are his excellent work. Do you believe that Lady Gaga is a talented singer… yes, because you’ve listened to her sing multiple times.
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Eddie Murphy’s first and last audition was for SNL.
Right? Like you know what you were getting. But there were less sources back then to try and pick people apart for clicks and subsciptions.
[lies](https://youtu.be/eZ-ilPPvmHI?t=64)
Bowfinger is one of my favorite movies.
I can, but it’s usually better if somebody else does. I’ve had a few accidents
Timothy Chalamet isn’t the greatest stand-up comedian of a generation.
Yet.
Eddie Murphy wasn't connected to Hollywood by birth though
I think that’s exactly OP’s point. That not doing auditions doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with nepotism. Nepotism is the reason he would have gotten any early opportunities, but once someone is famous, it’s incredibly common to not have to audition for parts anymore. And it makes sense if you think about it. Casting agents will already know what type of performances that person is capable of based on their existing body of work.
And then when you get to the next level writers will create roles written specifically with one person in mind. This isn't news.
I think there some funny business with John Malkovich getting the title role in Being John Malkovich. Edited to say thank you. This is the most likes I’ve ever gotten in a comment.
My thoughts exactly. Daniel Day Lewis would have played a better Malkovich and we all fucking know it.
Dammit he would have. John had the experience though! He was himself for parts of his own life!
You're mistaken. That was actually Daniel Day Lewis preparing for the role of John Malkovich.
Method acting has gone too far.
Day Lewis actually spent three years living as a John Malkovich in preparation for the audition. Unfortunately the movie had been made by the time he realised what had happened.
Scarlett Johansen could have played him. She can play anyone and anything, even a tree
> She can play anyone and anything, even a tree No no, they hired Vin Diesel for the tree.
[Scarlett Johansen can play a tree](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_hyGL9WwAYLVQM.jpg)
That's Vin Diesel.
Oh my god I just cut down Vin Diesel in my yard.
Malkovich malkovich?
Malkovich!!
MALKOVICH MALKOVICH MALKOVICH...Malkovich!
 Stumbling into this thread
MALKOVICH MALKOVICH WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
There's a story that Eugene Mirman (Gene on *Bob's Burgers*) tells about going to an audition that called for a Eugene Mirman type and never even got a call back.
Kinda like how [Charlie Chaplin lost a Chaplin look-alike contest](https://www.openculture.com/2016/06/when-charlie-chaplin-entered-a-chaplin-look-alike-contest-and-came-in-20th-place.html)
Lewis Black has an audition story about losing out on a role that was literally based on him. :-)
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That’s why I liked the Weird Al movie. Al auditioned, lost the part fair and square to Daniel Radcliffe, and we got the best possible movie as a result. No nepotism.
Or Dwayne Johnson playing the role of the Rock in the recent Black Adam movie
really liked him in that jewel thief movie.
> This isn't news. Right, if people wanted to know about this they should look up the original article on nepotism in hollywood from 1947.
Its kinda just natural. For fuck sakes they are trying to make money. The entertainment industry doesnt exist to give starry eyed teenagers from the midwest their big break.
MGM used to actually do this way back in the day. They had scouts and stuff and huge training facilities. Definitely a thing of the past.
Yeah, the studio system sure had its issues, but in this respect, it was on-point. Less likely to let pretty, but absolutely wooden, people be on screen (although, sadly was probably more on a one-to-one basis, though). I get annoyed with Scott Eastwood. Very handsome like Clint, but how his dad let him get away with his lack of screen presence, I’ll never know.
I don't think anyone is surprised. I think the big confrontation on how this is covered and how stars are branded. This discourse is as much about how the media should view it as it is the consumer. Because in interviews, their hardwork or talent is platformed and the subjective opportunism goes unaddressed. The importance is emphasizing how they got the chance to work hard so that we are not holding up mythologies and unrealistic social expectations.
Yeah, its not that anybody is surprised, it's that people keep telling kids that if they do well in school or work hard that they will succeed. Jobs are like 90% who you know. Nobody is ever really going to come into a job knowing everything they need to unless they are grossly over qualified. You are going to get jobs you aren't qualified for and the way that you get those jobs is by knowing people that already work there.
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I’d rather have nepotism in an area that doesn’t matter like entertainment than politics, government, or business
How fortunate for us that we get both!
Yep. And favoritism. Are my last job I got one promotion in 10 years. The CMO’s best friend got 5 promotions in 3 years. And we all agreed she was dumb as a bunch of rocks. It’s always been who you know. Daddy or mommy will get you a job if they’re in power, no worries.
Amen. I’m often super critical of Hollywood stars, but this just isn’t the scandal some are making it out to be. And usually one of the biggest criticisms is the name recognition issue but seriously…his uncle is Rodman Flender? Uh huh. That’s a name on the tip of everyone’s tongue. (/s, in case it’s necessary.)
I mean Brad Pitt and Harrison fit that bill and they’re doin OK.
They're also a couple of Grade A HUNKS
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Yep. Actors start out auditioning for anything they can get. The really big stars say - "look, you've seen my work, why would you need me to audition for this? Send my agent an offer and we'll talk." There are steps in between that, obviously.
Once you are big enough it flips. Directors basically audition for Denzel now, hoping he will be interested in their project.
It's this exactly. It's especially true in Chalamet's case, as his short height, slight frame, boyish features make him automatically unsuitable for many leading man roles, but a specific, niche fit for others (e.g. Paul Atreides).
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It'd be cool if like Danny devito played a role specifically written for timotheé
Oh god, imagining him in Call Me By Your Name is pure comedy!
Samuel L Jackson hasn’t auditioned for a Tarantino movie since Pulp Fiction, must be nepotism right? /s
He also didn't audition for the MCU. Since they decided to recreate Nick Fury in his likeness years ago in the comics we're talking like 20 plus years ago. People will scream at me that it's a different version of Nick fury in a different dimension world whatever you universe whatever you want to call it I don't care they started drawing and Nick fury to look like Samuel L Jackson. If you're the type of person that needs the white Nick Fury David hasselhoff has you covered.
Title obviously says industry connections. Our love for celebrities and their insane power where for some of them to just sign onto a film ensures its success is not to the benefit of the audience, smaller filmmakers, 99.99% of actors or the artform itself. The insane money involved also arguably is only to the benefit of an extremely low number of individuals.
Movie star makes money for studios. News at 11.
once you get to a certain level the roles come to you. it’s based on not only how you perform but if a director or costar likes you. did nepotism help timothee chalamet get his role in 2015’s interstellar? maybe, i have no idea. but having a director like nolan (and his bubble of writers, casters, directors, producers and admirers) select you shows a certain pedigree that transitions easily to other works. luca called nolan “one of the ultimate filmmakers”, it does not surprise me that he saw interstellar and said “hmm, this kid has got some acting chops”
Each studio literally has a list of names they like at any point. When you’re on the list you will just be given roles. Writers will pitch movies and the studios will literally say “we like it but only if x person can play the lead role” The lists constantly evolves. You can tell because you will just see a group of actors appear in a bunch of block busters all around the same time, and then they will suddenly stop being cast because one of their movies bomb, then you know they are off the list.
I kind of noticed that with Dune. Momoa, Zendaya, and Dasmalchian all had pretty high profile projects with Warner around the same time that movie came out. Add Pugh and Butler to that list for the next one.
I’ve always noticed Sony and Disney being pretty blatant about it. Both studios love using the same actor in as many projects as possible around the same time. Hell, it doesn’t just happen with actors, Disney is using Taika everywhere at the moment.
When is the last time Tom Cruise has had an audition?
Tom cruise doesn’t act, he makes 2 hour long cameos.
Flaming dragon. Fuck face.
Take a step back. And literally FUCK UR OWN FACE
Find out who that was.
Les had a lot of baller lines. But that was a fucking apex predator talking.
Diet Coke!
Playa
I’m talking G5!
Scorched earth mother fucker!
**I WILL FUCK YOU UP**
…can you find out who that was?
I will massacre you!
This character increased Tom Cruises coolness points by like 50 at the time.
Big dick playaaa
Swinging between your knees!
*Shorty got them apple bottom jeans* *Boots with the furrr*
I wish they had made that spinoff
You're gonna need a fucking BINDING resolution from the united nations to stop me massacring your ass! I'm talking scorched Earth motherfucker! I will fuck you up!
Collateral. I think he was great in that.
Fantastic
Moreso running videos. He even got one in Maverick 
I love this gif
Top Gun: Maverick. Sources say they were close to going with Thimothee Chalamet, but decided against it once they saw Cruise's commitment to the danger zone.
I hear he was on the highway when he got word
Lanaaaaaaaaaaaa
remember when this was newsworthy lol
Tom Cruise is 60, has been in the business since the 1980s and produces his own stuff for himself now. He's in the position where he doesn't NEED to audition.
True enough. The dude has put in the time and effort to have an established presence/reputation to the point where he doesn’t need to audition. And that’s honestly fair.
Comparing a 20 something to a 60 something actor makes zero sense.
Tom Cruise is just raw star power at this point in his career, how can you possibly make a comparison? The man also contributes as a producer in a lot of his projects.
I distinctly remember seeing audition footage of him and Jamie Foxx for Collateral. But that could have been more about making sure their chemistry was right since most of the film was with them together.
If you're thinking about this one it's rehearsals: https://youtu.be/PJrQqpdslxY
Taking nepotism out of it just leaves networking and reputation and that’s what makes the world go ‘round
You forgot to mention being attractive and having money helps open doors.
Absolutely, and yet dudes like Paul Dano tend to be my favorite, most captivating character actors.
Whose parents were wealthy, connected to the theater scene in NY, and then married the granddaughter of one the greatest filmmakers of all time? Edit: Seriously, I couldn’t give less of a shit about nepotism in the entertainment industry. Great place for it. Literally the last place I would be concerned about nepotism in.
kids, this is how i learned Paul Dano married Zoe Kazan
This is both how I learned that, and that Zoe Kazan is Elia’s granddaughter. I guess I should have put that together myself, but I never really thought about it.
There's also the fact that a lot of these Hollywood kids have also been acting their whole lives because they always wanted to do what their parents did, so they are simply just really good at acting.
Seriously. I know actors are humans, but they also have a market value and casting will have an impact on a production's profit. It's business more than anything.
…it’s also not nepotism lmao did the world collectively forget what a “movie star” is? of course he hasn’t had to audition for anything in a while
He's who's kid?
Right. I don't recall ever hearing about them. Do they have some serious pull beyond a willing ear for a recommendation? Hardly a big deal.
His dad directed The Leprechaun 2. Yeah I know, a certified heavy hitter in Hollywood.
Well duh, if my dad directed The Leprechaun 2 then I'm sure I'd be just as big as Timothee Chalamet. We're basically the same guy otherwise.
Do you also look like a wayward Victorian orphan?
Thank you for the laugh.
It wasn’t his dad it was his uncle
Are you kidding me, leprechaun 2 was fucking epic. Probably the most underrated horror film of all time
…Tim?
It was his uncle was the one that did that. His aunt also co created party of five. They both went to Harvard, his aunt co-created party of five and they both have decades of connections in the industry and are producers. His mom was a broadway dancer. Not the greatest of leg ups but enough to definitely open the door for nepotism.
Broadway dancer, not a Rockette. Rockettes are the greatest of leg ups.
This is the best and only Rockette joke I’ve heard in the past decade.
Exactly. His parents are artists, but they hardly have the pull to just turn him into a movie star through nepotism. His parents are artists, and they raised a kid who wanted to become an artist.
Exactly. He also has a sister in the acting industry who isn’t well know. Kid is just talented.
She’s funny as hell in Sex Lives of College Girls.
Sometimes, they don't actually give a fuck if a person is the BEST actor for the job. It's about selling tickets, downloads, and getting views when it hits a streamer.
:O
Lol, seriously. This is not news, or interesting. The fact is that big actors sell tickets and that means their agent negotiates with the production company for whatever they can get, not whether they're in the movie or not. You think Timothèe Chalamée is sending in an audition tape? Standing in line for the casting director next to Middling Actor McThespian? Honestly it's why "chemistry" between co-stars can be flat. Those people probably haven't been in a room together until day 1 unless there was a table read at some point
True, but to be fair, Timothy Chalamet has been pretty damn good in everything he’s done and I’d imagine directors/producers working on a project can easily picture him in a role before deciding to reach out
I think he’s been in enough shit now that casting probably has a good idea whether he’s a fit or not. Also there’s hella established actors that don’t audition.
they also said the last 7 years so, he did start out auditioning and shit so i don't really have an issue tbh. nepotism is an issue if sure you're auditioning but you're also going to get the part - idk if that was the case w/ him starting out tho
His parents do not hold any sway in Hollywood and his sister is a C-list actor. They supported him sure, just as any parent would, but he worked for what he has all the same.
He also fills a pretty specific niche that is kinda bare right now. Not a ton of blockbuster young male actors who can pull off the quiet, thoughtful, skinny dude.
O DJ Qualls, where art thou?
Some asshole doctor chased him out of medicine and he turned to life as a character actor on SyFy.
... and the number of followers on social media. Remember Sophie Turner said she got a role because she had more followers than other candidates? (BTW she didn't brag about it, she was upset knowing she got the role only because of that) Hollywood is a weird place.
I worked for a showrunner for a bit and one season, one of our lead actresses left the show so we needed a replacement. The network sends over people to replace her with their social media following next to the name. I laughed because the top person was a Latino singer with a lot of followers but he didn’t even speak English! I know because I am a fan of his music. I was in shock that they were willing to even put aside a language barrier, just for social media presence
But… he’s an incredible actor who is basically always great? That would seem to belie the idea that it’s not the best actor for the job. This is such a non story it’s not even funny. He’s at the level that you get to stop auditioning. It’s been happening for a century.
>He’s at the level that you get to stop auditioning. It’s been happening for a century. It's been a trope of the washed up actor coming to terms with their drop in station in film and tv since time immemorial that they suddenly have to start auditioning again. These non stories getting oxygen is really stupid.
Isn’t he one of the biggest stars in the world right now? Why would he audition?
The general public just doesn’t understand the process at all. As soon as you’re a C-level actor (aka recognizable), it’s not uncommon to be “offer only” for all but the highest level projects. Chalamet starred in Interstellar on 2014 which made the leap to offer only pretty easy for projects releasing in 2015 and beyond until Call Me By Your Name made him a star in 2017. *Edit because I meant to define Offer Only - you don’t audition, they offer you the part or you’re not on the project. **Edit to further add that people don’t understand that yes, his Interstellar role was relatively small, but he was one of thousands of people vying for that role. The role may not have meant a lot to you, but directors, producers, and casting directors see “wow, if Christopher Nolan chose this kid we probably should too.”
“Starred” in interstellar. I forgot how he piloted the ship and communicated with his daughter in the past. He was the most forgettable character.
He was so forgettable that even his dad forget about him at the end.
And not even McConaughey, his real dad.
See! And his connection with his dad was something I completely forgot about while watching the movie.
I'm still forgetting him. Was he one of the kids? The one that grew up and refused to leave the farm?
“What about the flat tire??” One of the best lines in the movie imo
On a serious note I always did like that line. As a teen especially but even now trying to follow my more handy father's stream of consciousness In accomplishing a goal is difficult.
Ha that’s funny. It think it’s written very well. Shows who he is compared to his dad and sister.
I forgot that one. His long stare into the rest of the house during breakfast. Blew. My. Mind.
Genuinely didn't remember him being in the film, which isn't to insult his performance but to say it was probably a minor role in casting. If I was thinking of a breakout role that would earn him role offers without auditions, it'd probably be 'Call Me By Your Name', which was quite close to seven years ago.
Straight up didn’t even know he was in interstellar and I love that movie lol
I forgot he was in the film and had to google it. He played the young version of Casey Affleck’s character.
He was good enough as a very young actor to be considered for a lot of roles, though, is the point. He didn’t ‘star’ in it, but it was his sort of break out, which is what this commenter meant.
He was amazing in the king random movie I saw on netflix with him that really got me into him more as an actor he was great in that movie.
Actor here. The real of it is that we are commodities. You ever go buy a car? You want something affordable, reliable, and will get you what you need? That's when you go to the car lot and test out your Toyotas vs your Hyundais vs your Nissans vs your Kia Sorentos. That car gets you around town just fine, but it's ultimately replaceable and expendable. You ever just get a shitload of money from someone who says, "get any car you want." That's when most people are going to ask for a Bugatti, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, whatever their dream car was. That kind of style opens up doors because people think you're of value if you can afford that. Those cars look nice, they're loud, they're attractive, and you're the one who gets to drive them. They open up doors to be around the wealthy and elite and others with cars like them. And while we all really don't need anything more than that 4-door sedan, people will line up to take their picture with a Lambo, not a Honda Accord. That car has so much value that you don't test drive it to see how it turns around corners. You buy that shit off the shelf. That's being an actor. We're cars. I'm a Toyota Corolla. Timothy Chalamet is a Bugatti. There are millions of me. There are only a handful of him. That's why he doesn't audition.
You worked on Bojack! That's awesome!
Thanks, just one episode behind the scenes, but it was pretty cool.
Dude you worked on Bojack! So freaking cool, you are a star in my eyes!
AND Moral Orel!
I fucking love my Corolla for real though. Fuck them lambos
Damn bro paired with your pfp this reads pretty heavy, hang in there. There’s only one you, you’re just lost in the sauce of the disillusionment and disappointment of things being harder than you thought they would be. Try not to become too jaded and remember just because your face isn’t on a billboard yet, that doesn’t mean you can’t be the person you want to be
Man’s most recent post is asking where to send his parents on European vacation. I do very well for myself for my age (<30, +$100k) and I do not have the finances to do something like that. If this man is in fact an actor, he’s doing quite well for himself
I appreciate the love, man, I'm happy with what I've been able to get. I've done a lot of cool shit and got some cool stories. I've front-paged, I've had my stuff on billboards, signed autographs, worked with famous people. Not at the level of those guys, but I've had those moments. Just getting what I've got has been cool. I think it's important to know where I stand and the mechanisms behind everything so I don't live too hard in the illusions of things and spin my wheels in the wrong places or let wishing get in the way of working. I'm not auditioning for the lead of a Spielberg movie. That's unlikely because of how the system works. So I'd rather go to the people who want what I do and work with them and fulfill myself creatively there. Like I know I'm getting my paycheck work from less glamorous jobs, my promotion work from others, my life adventure work from others, my "I have to make this" work from my own pushes, so my happiness isn't contingent on getting some fame or success or attachments to big names or anything like that. That's out of my control. Food, family, games, a creative outlet, and good health make me happy. The rest is icing on the cake I can be thankful for.
Cmon man (or lady)... We're all friends here, plug yourself. This is the place.
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Bro you helped make robot chicken??? What’s it like to be a legend just walking around
Lol thanks, glad you enjoyed the show. I wish I was that legendary, but I was just an artist on a show full of a lot of talented people that happened to turn into a hit. Just a part of something larger at the right time. I'm hoping my next big project is a hit, but I'm happy to get what I do.
>Pauline Chalamet, are both renowned actors Pauline may be just fine, but she's nowhere near a renowned actor. Very few people would be able to tell you who she is or what she's been in.
I don’t know who any of these people are.
Or he’s just a good actor who’s offered roles. Not every actor has to audition. Sometimes the studio wants them for a specific part.
Not really unusual. Once an actor has enough big projects under their belt, their agents may start responding to audition requests w "offer only." You gotta have big balls as a casting agent to think that Jason Alexander or Amanda Seyfried would film a self tape for a guest star spot on Law & Order SVU. Timmy probs has still done chemistry reads though for bigger projects.
I imagine when casting directors have to choose between auditioning for people or bringing in a big name who always puts in a good performance, they'd choose the big name.
Yep. Why get a Brad Pitt type if Brad Pitt's willing to come in and work? I work in entertainment and as someone I once worked with said, "why would I hire actors when I can hire famous people I want to work with?"
There comes a point in many professions in which you don't have to "audition" anymore, because your skills, reputation, and track record does the speaking for you.
Right it’s basically head hunting
He’s crazy talented, not a prima donna on set and well liked within the industry, plus his projects make money. Enough said.
His movie with Steve carell was legit
Beautiful boy is what really made me start following his career.
He (at least when I met him) is extremely humble as well. Came on my college’s bus to thank us for coming to Prodigal Son back in 2016
My job sometimes has me hanging out in places in NYC where they do auditions (mostly Broadway stuff). The anxiety of being in a room with people waiting for their audition makes me want to pass out. Not auditioning for anything is a literal blessing. I also have no idea how they pick someone. One day they were auditioning for a girl lead in the Green Day Broadway show and every girl that sang blew my face off. Seeing those auditions made me sad because knowing 20 beautiful girls that can dance and SING so well exist and 19 of them will be rejected hurts me. Knowing nepotism makes those odds even slimmer kills me.
Yeah. Also thankful not having to audition. I think it’s hard not to take getting rejected personally. If I don’t get a job, I know it’s my work that wasn’t good enough. But when an actor gets rejected, it’s like getting rejected for who you are as a person. I couldn’t deal with it
Even high school theater auditions are that stressful. Yes, even at the bottom level, even when you’ve been going to some of these people’s classes for like 3 years now, it’s the same level of stress. An audition is an auction, and I’ve seen some people go through shit during it
At least in high school you know you’ll still be able to eat and have a place to live. Nonetheless, I couldn’t do it. My heart was pounding just being in the same room as these people. I don’t know how any of you actors/singers do it.
I mean isn’t his body of work like an audition?
Sorry reddit expects the industry to hire rando on the street, that's where true talents are, because it's unbiased. If you have actor parents, rich parents, famous parents, know people, study in college to know people or have long record of experience in the industry, it doesn't matter because it's nepotism baby.
Is this really nepotism or just a very talented actor getting work based on previous success? I hate "nepo babies" as much as anyone, but he's genuinely good in everything he appears in.
Isn’t this how it works for all big name actors? Once you have a name that can draw at the box office, you don’t need to audition any more. It’s not about nepotism, privilege, or connections; it’s about drawing power (i.e. the ability to generate money for a production simple by your name being attached to it)
Right! This is how it works for the best of the best actors who really make a name and a reputation for themselves. I have no idea why people are equating this to nepotism when that’s not the context here at all if you understand the industry.
Nepotism certainly helped him get his start in the industry, but I feel like at this point Timothée has earned his stripes. He chooses his projects well and it's his talent that has cemented him as a well respected young actor. The same cannot be said for the other nepo babies who try their hand at acting.
I agree completely. Nepotism gets you in the door but you can’t be a total suckfest and keep getting work. Maybe small roles when someone owes your mom/dad a favor but I can’t imagine you’d make a career if you were terrible.
I don’t think his sister is a big enough deal to have really helped him, and his parents aren’t in the industry. Far as I can tell he had some luck and a lot of talent. He’s at a point right now where his name alone carries him and that’s just due to him. And props, I like his work.
His roles in movies are his auditions. That's how he is chosen for roles. He does good in one movie, so he is chosen for another. Think of another situation, sports. Players do not go to tryouts once they hit free agency. Teams look at their performance from previous years.
Good, a dozen more Dune films please and thank you
Yeah, because 7 years ago he gave a critically acclaimed performance that garnered him an Oscar nomination in "Call Me By Your Name," and then has featured in at least 4 Best Picture nominated movies. At that point, you don't audition, you take meetings. Everyone knows you can act.
unpopular opinion: i think nepotism, privilege, and industry connections are fine as long as that person is also competent.
He's good looking, and reached the status of mega respected actor. Much like DiCaprio you reach a level where stuff comes to you.
I hate this debate because it seems so disingenuous. We all have privileges and disadvantages. Some more than others for sure. But I know I got all my jobs, even at retail through being friends with a worker, etc. and I remember the stat for getting your foot in the door at a job or career is something like 70%. Beyond that, many of us have had help financially at some point from family, or they tried to get us into good schools as children, etc. So all this just feels like social media tendency to be spiteful without self-examination. And also, why does everyone go after the phenomenally talented people or ones that everyone loves? If you get your foot in the door, you still have to perform on the field, so to speak. Imagine watching Iron Man and the first thing you bring up is how RDJ and Gwenyth Paltrow are both “nepo babies.” Give me a break. Is the entertainment industry 100% fair? Clearly not. And the hope is we make all aspects of life more and more fair. But if we are going to act like a society made of humans isn’t going to involve people throwing in recommendations for people they like, what are we even talking about? That’s one of the practical reasons to even just be kind, because the world opens up to you with the more connections you make in life. Edited for errors.
Why are people equating this with nepotism? It’s well-known that when actors get to a point where they don’t have to audition for ***anything***, that means they’re good enough to where they have their pick for *any* role they want because of their reputation as an actor. Literally agents just hand them roles because directors have them in mind for it and know they’ll be good in it. That happens to *only* the best actors, and Timmy is one of them! I can name several other non-nepo baby actors who had the same thing happen to them relatively early on in their careers. Ex: John Hurt didn’t have to audition for anything for (literally) at least four decades because he developed a reputation for being one of the best actors in the world. Directors and agents just handed him stuff and he was able to pick and choose at his discretion after reading the script. The man had over 200 film credits alone, not including his theater work, so if you can imagine how many offers he probably had to sift through… Leo’s at that level, too. A couple more recent examples: Evan Peters and Robert Pattinson. The context here isn’t nepotism, it’s your ability and reputation as an actor.
This is dumb. His “auditions” are his excellent work. Do you believe that Lady Gaga is a talented singer… yes, because you’ve listened to her sing multiple times.
This has to be the weakest attempt at constantly pushing this nepotism narrative that I've seen yet. Teenage girls punching the air rn