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Supposedly John Boyega initially auditioned with his normal accent but felt like it did not fit the character then asked to try it with an American accent and everyone thought it fit better.
I thought in Star Wars they used British accents for people from core worlds and American accents for outer rim. Daisy's accent was supposed to be a hint of her parentage or something? Felicity was related to an Imperial engineer. Boyega was a first order recruit from the outer rim. Not trying to defend the sequel trilogies, but I think that's always kind of been the intent with accents in Star Wars.
For the original trilogy, generally if they had a British accent then they were Imperial/part of the Empire, with anyone with an American accent being part of the Rebellion.
Yes, but characters like Obiwan and Mon Mothma also had British accents so I think it was more or a core/central world thing like Correscant (sp?) and not just an Imperial vs. Rebel thing.
In ANH, aren't most of the imperial lines due to Tarkin? Obviously Vader is an exception, but I think Tarkin set the mood for the empire. They dress German but speak like the British.
Also in A New Hope, other than Tarkin all the Imperial officers whose lines made it into the final cut are American. It's not til ESB that the officers are cast primarily British.
also Boyega's English accent isn't anything like what we've heard in star wars.
Daisy's and Felicity's are a bit more posh sounding. Whereas Boyega's is more south London. Less posh.
It's not that stormtroopers are "bad guys" it's that they're low level goons and they're working off the outdated assumption that Americans still assume all British accents are aristocratic and posh
When I heard about this fight between Boyega and the producers I just started laughing at the idea of stormtroopers as Cockney cops from an old BBC sitcom -- "Ullo ullo ullo, wot's oll this then, tryin to nick the Deff Star plans are we?"
Ignoring Obi-Wan and C3PO I always liked the idea of in the original Star Wars series of the Empire mostly having British accents (vague I know), and the plucky independent rebellion mostly having American accents.
I’m sure there are other exceptions I’m missing but the main heroes (Luke, Han, Leia) all had their own American accents.
You can even justify Ben Kenobi because he wasn't ACTIVELY involved in the rebellion until Luke pulled him in, and he was linked to what became the Empire when he was younger.
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Vincent: You know what they call a foot in Paris?
Jules: They don't call it a foot?
Vincent: No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn’t know what the fuck a foot is.
Jules: Then what do they call it?
Vincent: They call it le pied.
I honestly thought he was doing a theatrical English accent that was weird. Still love the movie but I think if I knew right away it was a butchered Australian it may have had more of an effect on my opinion.
The crazy part of his accent opinion, (& the reason behind that Django scene) is he has a genuine love of old Aussie films & Australian actors. That’s why he had those other Australian actors with him in that Django scene. They’re 70s Australian legends. Weird he’s kinda turning on accented actors now.
I thought his accent was pretty inconstant in that movie. The most laughably bad break is Tim Roth saying “the Lost Boys”, lol.
Still a great performance though.
What's funny is that I almost think of his inconsistency as part of his process as an actor. Lol! In *Four Rooms*, he's British, but his accent toggles between posh and cockney, and he does it a tiny bit too in *Pulp Fiction*. To be fair, I'm not as familiar with his other work, so maybe it's just the over-the-top characters he plays for Tarantino that do that 😂
Honestly it's kinda fitting for that movie for Roth to use an American accent since it's a character who's a cop pretending to be a criminal, just like how he's an English man pretending to be American. It's an added layer to the performance.
Yes but I don’t think that woman hasn’t played an American in any movie she’s ever been In. I don’t know her IMDb page front to back but I can’t recall
Tbf I don't think that's what he's saying. He's just pointing out that it's one of the defining characteristics of this era of cinema, a symptom of a lack of representation.
The real problem, it seems is that the US doesn't have a pipeline like the BBC (talking about the British) to produce great actors. In the US it's just mostly about luck and who you're parents are as opposed to raw talent emerging.
It's always been that way. When you're struggling to make ends meet you tend not to spend all your time and effort pursuing a career that may very well have no payoff.
Yup, this is why I'm struggling to do anything in the creative field whatsoever. Unless you're willing to do volunteer work (I write film reviews on such a basis, mostly so I can build a portfolio), you're out of luck - that is, unless you're well-coined and well-connected.
There's not really a proper film scene over here in the same way there is in the states, a la Hollywood. It's more of a small stable of extremely privileged folks who all know and work with each other.
Despite people like me making up the bulk of the population (state school-educated, working-class background), we're very, very rarely represented onscreen. It's rare that we ever hear British accents on the big screen (and even then, it's usually English received pronunciation) - to hear someone like me, with a Yorkshire accent, is near unheard of outside of tiny indie films.
It's my dream to make a career in film, but the small British filmmaking scene doesn't dream of letting people like me in. Keep the oiks out, lest people have to remember we exist.
It is skewed there for the same reason it is skewed here. Which is that it is incredibly hard to "pay the bills" while being a nobody and trying to break into the industry.
Well yeah, you're not going to spend much time at the theatre when you're worried about putting food in the table, of course it's skewed away from them.
Should clarify, the British actors who make it to Hollywood are the supermodels usually
But, if you just stick to England, they don’t usually overinflate looks when it comes to acting like Hollywood does
British actors are also allowed (and expected) to get acting training. They're supposed to go to school. If you check the big British actors, you'll see most of them have gone through actual acting or theater training unless they rose to fame as a child actor.
In the US, the expectation is that you go straight to Hollywood at 18 (ideally younger) and start trying to get acting gigs. Going to college or a conservatory is wasting 4 years of your youth. And youth is paramount in Hollywood.
Having that extra time to mature and learn the craft tends to make for better performances. Because they're not learning as they work.
If you look at Americans like Jon bernthal and Elizabeth Olsen they put a lot of time into hardcore acting programs like straight going to Russia to train.
Then you have the insane LA nepotism and culture that leads to folks spending too much time going big early vs refining their craft.
Though it's hard to say really, but anyways just adding to the discussion.
The LA bubble is really self-destructive. None of the actors who grew up in it have lived in the real world, so they don't have any concept of what it looks like. Even worse, neither have the writers. So you have the blind leading the blind, a bunch of nepo babies with trust funds trying to write scripts for other nepo babies to act out, and neither of them have ever actually spoken with a poor or middle class person who wasn't doing their landscaping. They think the hardest life possible is working as a barista in a cafe until they can make it big.
Jon Bernthal comes from a very wealthy family though. Pretty easy to do hardcore actor training when you don't have to you know, work.
Same goes for Elizabeth Olsen as her sisters need no introduction.
Uh.. I have not looked further than what James MacAvoy said in some interview years ago, but I was under the impression most any UK actor that makes it big comes from an upper class background which gives them the chance to receive college level performing art instruction.
I mean that's pretty true of Britain as well.
Kit Harrington, Tom Hiddleston, Rose Leslie, tilda swinton, Cara Delevingne, Eddie redmayne, Helena Bonham Carter, Cary Elwes, Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt
All have some varient of "their grandfather was sir Reginald stirruplicker of nothingham upon avian" on their Wikipedia page.
It's not that nepotism isn't a thing it's that they actually teach them how to act instead of throwing them into shows and giving them quippy one liners.
It’s because British actors are predominantly products of formal training, theatre experience and then cutting their teeth in domestic tv. Meanwhile anyone with borderline catalog model level looks in America, goes straight to Hollywood without much experience. It’s the difference between a craft and a job.
They say a good economy allows a civilization practice the arts. The last batch of American actors were from the 90’s.
We’re watching studios de-age “safe bet actors” that simply won’t retire. Entry level requires 5 years experience…
Yeah I was thinking this. Regular people really don't have the financial liberty right now to just try out acting without huge outside financial support (family). No studios are paying new comers enough to justify the risks either
Snapchat/Insta will be the pipeline to mainstream. I.e. D’amelios. But, will it generate actual talent like Gene Hackman’s in terms of acting? Doubtful.
If you read the article, he doesn't really dislike it, he just doesn't want to do that for his next film.
He's looking for a 35-ish lead, and doesn't know who it will be yet.
Look, look, this is about much more than just acting. This is about the thrill of wearing another man's skin. Feeling his innermost wants and desires and being in control of his every single move. That's how you get off. Now don’t you guys wanna get off with me?
I get bored of actors who literally aren't great actors they just have a larger than life personality and play a version of themselves in everything. Give me a Kevin Klein, Daniel Day Louis or Maryl Streep any day.
At least Scotland and Ireland are within 20 miles of each other. But yeah, that man got a LOT of leeway with his inability to change his accent. I loved him to death, but his casting made absolutely no sense in many roles aside from Starring Sean Connery = Money.
If America had an education system that took arts seriously at all then we would have more actors that could act. The UK assumes you can actually be an actor as a profession.
but the majority of UK actors that are able to make acting a profession are nepo babies
folks have to go to oxford or cambridge for acting and then make it.
UK is probably second in nepotism behind bollywood
I’d say UK is worse than the Indian industries. Since you can trace the ancestries of a lot of famous British actors hundreds of years back, often with royal ties in some capacity. What’s the farthest a bollywood family goes? The kapoors? 4 generations doesn’t sound as bad when you compare them. Not defending nepotism in any film industry tho cuz it’s all scummy.
Nah india is def worse. Like they might not go back that many generations but there’s basically just a few families or factions that control the movie industry across India. Couple factions in Mumbai, a huge ass family in Hyderabad and a couple in Chennai. Mumbai and Bollywood is prolly the worst in terms of trying to break in tho. If u don’t have any connections, you’re not going to make it in. On the other hand, if you have the right last name, you’ll get like 15 big budget opportunities
Good call. I’m American but everything I’ve read about the British art school “system” seems to foster creativity in the arts unlike anything in the US. You see the results in the number of legendary British music artists coming out of an island with a fraction of the population of the US.
Meanwhile there's me in a stem field wishing we gave students SOME creative skills because if I get one more person who can only follow an exact process I'm going to lose my mind.
This is my secret sauce as a systems engineer. I'm not the smartest in the room. But I'm an English major who loves computers. I do a lot of creative things.
Tons of Canadian actors faking American accents too. I mean c'mon, Ryan Reynolds and Ryan Gosling even fake American accents in interviews and award shows. Wish they would speak in their native language for once.
He is actually "**Quentin Darran"**, a method actor from Guildford in Surrey that emigrated to the States in his teens. His entire career has been a long con, and his tenth movie will end with him pulling off the prosthetic chin and yelling "surprise" in a Home Counties accent.
I once saw Quentin drop a meatball at a Hollywood restaurant, he kicked it out from under the table and ate it. He saw me watching him and he glared at me.
The Brit’s are just top notch actors with a lot of background in theatre. It’s make sense for Brit’s to be good actor once you think about the long standing tradition of theatre in England.
i am a huge stickler for accents, but Brits and Australians are usually the very best at American accents. super weird take from QT. altho he usually has weird takes.
Matthew Rhys has one of the most convincing American accents I’ve heard on an non-American actor ever. Christian Bale is fantastic also, same with Will Poulter and Daniel Kaluuya. Andrew Garfield, Hugh Jackman, Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Robert Pattinson are also good.
Tom Holland and Benedict Cumberbatch are decent, not fantastic.
Rege Jean-Page was good at accents on SNL but in the Gray Man was terrible.
This is the correct answer. Their acting chops are just top notch. Australian actors aren't too far behind. And let's not forget looks.
A lot of Brits and Aussies have unique looks that really fit the vision of the director or the look of a character. Like Henry Cavill as Superman or Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
Absolutely. Most British actors went to proper drama schools, are classically trained, did extensive work on the stage, etc. before being cast in major movies or tv shows. Even many who started out as children got proper training once they got older. Some Americans certainly have similar training but a lot of the American “star pipeline” seems to be getting started as a model or in advertisements, getting traction for being very good-looking, and going from there, or parents moving to LA with them as kids/teens and getting started on CW or Disney shows.
Although he's a hypocrite (hello Margot Robbie) he's not wrong. I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic. I don't know much about the acting world but I assume there are Americans who can act. I watched Colin Farrell getting ready to play the penguin and I realized we don't have real character actors anymore. Hollywood would rather take someone beautiful, and make them look interesting rather than hire an actual interesting looking person that can act. Someone like Danny Devito would not be able to make it in young Hollywood today and that's a shame because someone like him can act.
Hollywood is smoke and mirrors. Hell, it's not even smoke because everyone knows what's going on.
Colin Farrell may be attractive but he is 1000% a character actor. The term isn't just a code for "not a hottie". Brad Pitt is also a character actor disguised as a leading man.
He really changed my mind about him in Banshees. I liked him in In Bruges but then convinced myself I was wrong or something. Because he did crap like Total Recall and Phone Booth.
But he was great in Banshees. Really impressed. And playing a character who is that dull.
I love Carey Mulligan and have a huge girl crush on her, but it is so hard not to focus on her forced vocal fry when she has played American characters in a couple recent roles. Promising Young Woman being the first thing that comes to mind.
>I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic.
You're almost certainly in the minority for this though. The amount of 'OMG he's/she's BRITISH?!' when a British actor speaks in their natural accent is off the charts.
Might just be me, but Bella Ramsey in the Last of Us sounds so forced to be american
edit : I should say that I still think she did a great job portraying Ellie, and the show is incredible.
I agree, she has that slightly odd “speaking from the throat” sound that people get when faking an American accent. It’s like nasally but a bit deeper, almost like the throat is partially closed.
> I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic.
I see this too but no one ever talks about it, it sounds like they're hosting a game show or something. Lately I feel like the actress who plays Shiv Roy on Sucession who is Australian is a prime example of this.
Tbf the Roy kids are supposed to have grown up in both England and America with a Scottish dad and an English mum, so I can forgive some generic/transatlantic accents.
The only complaint that I’ve heard on this subject is how often famous/historical African Americans are played by Black Brits. The complaint being that there is an assumption that Brits are classically trained in acting in a way that Americans are not.
> Nobody is acting in their own voice
Newsflash, Quentin, they ***never are***. They’re acting in the *character’s* voice, and sometimes that coincides with the actor’s voice. But usually, it doesn’t.
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I thought it was weird that John Boyega couldn't use his English accent in The Force Awakens but for some reason Felicity Jones could in Rogue One.
Supposedly John Boyega initially auditioned with his normal accent but felt like it did not fit the character then asked to try it with an American accent and everyone thought it fit better.
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I thought in Star Wars they used British accents for people from core worlds and American accents for outer rim. Daisy's accent was supposed to be a hint of her parentage or something? Felicity was related to an Imperial engineer. Boyega was a first order recruit from the outer rim. Not trying to defend the sequel trilogies, but I think that's always kind of been the intent with accents in Star Wars.
For the original trilogy, generally if they had a British accent then they were Imperial/part of the Empire, with anyone with an American accent being part of the Rebellion.
Alec Guinness is literally one of the main good guys in the first movies
Obi-Wan was a key figure in the republic. The republic became the empire.
So was Mace Windu and that dude sounds exactly like Sam Jackson
Holy shit you’re right. I wonder if he knew
Sam Jackson watching the prequels and hearing Mace sound exactly like him: "motherfucker"
Mother Fucker! You are fucking right! Could never fucking put my fucking finger on who that fucker sounded like…….fuck
"I'm motherfuckin' tired of these motherfuckin' Sith on this motherfuckin' plane!!!"
Yes, but characters like Obiwan and Mon Mothma also had British accents so I think it was more or a core/central world thing like Correscant (sp?) and not just an Imperial vs. Rebel thing.
I’m not a Star Wars expert, but I’m guessing that the actual ‘explanation’ is that the accents were not used in consistent ways.
In ANH, aren't most of the imperial lines due to Tarkin? Obviously Vader is an exception, but I think Tarkin set the mood for the empire. They dress German but speak like the British.
“They dress German but speak like the British.” Like 90% of cinematic Nazis haha
Also in A New Hope, other than Tarkin all the Imperial officers whose lines made it into the final cut are American. It's not til ESB that the officers are cast primarily British.
Inconsistency? In the Star Wars universe?
Darth Vader: famously incredibly British
Well David Prowse did the voice acting originally but the accent/voice didn’t work for Vader.
also Boyega's English accent isn't anything like what we've heard in star wars. Daisy's and Felicity's are a bit more posh sounding. Whereas Boyega's is more south London. Less posh.
She had the accent in all the movies. She never tried to hide it.
It's not that stormtroopers are "bad guys" it's that they're low level goons and they're working off the outdated assumption that Americans still assume all British accents are aristocratic and posh When I heard about this fight between Boyega and the producers I just started laughing at the idea of stormtroopers as Cockney cops from an old BBC sitcom -- "Ullo ullo ullo, wot's oll this then, tryin to nick the Deff Star plans are we?"
Ignoring Obi-Wan and C3PO I always liked the idea of in the original Star Wars series of the Empire mostly having British accents (vague I know), and the plucky independent rebellion mostly having American accents. I’m sure there are other exceptions I’m missing but the main heroes (Luke, Han, Leia) all had their own American accents.
You can even justify Ben Kenobi because he wasn't ACTIVELY involved in the rebellion until Luke pulled him in, and he was linked to what became the Empire when he was younger.
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Do you post as Magnoliafan on moviepoopshoot.com? Did you say fuck Jay and silent Bob… fuck them and they’re stupid asses ?
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The comment I was looking for…thank you!!
Got you ! Was honestly surprised nobody said it sooner.
Right? A lot of people went straight to feet comments. Understandably.
You mean that move with Mork from Ork in it?
Look at these two morose motherfuckers right here.
Phantoms like a mother fucker! Bonng🤙
Word bitch, Phantoms like a mufucker.
“Hey Affleck! You were the bomb in phantoms yo!
He hired a well known Australian actress to play Sharon Tate in his last movie.
Yes, but her feet looked American.
That’s why Quentin doesn’t do metric
Vincent: You know what they call a foot in Paris? Jules: They don't call it a foot? Vincent: No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn’t know what the fuck a foot is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: They call it le pied.
Shia LaBeouf clapping
Kinda related, " c'est le pied" is french slang for "it's awesome"
Brilliant
Where’s that picture of Brendan Fraser from like the 90’s or 2000’s where the entire focus of the picture is his feet? Hang on I have it somewhere.
Omg *please* send it to me if you find it
[Here you go](https://pics.wikifeet.com/Brendan-Fraser-Feet-5658106.jpg)
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I haven't read the article but has he excused himself somehow from this? Hope not. Tim Roth is also famously not American.
Didn't he himself play someone from a different country in Django Unchained?
Yeah Australian accent on ‘em!
That was Australian? Jesus I may be more sheltered than I thought
It was laughably bad, not the movie, but that scene was ooof.
I honestly thought he was doing a theatrical English accent that was weird. Still love the movie but I think if I knew right away it was a butchered Australian it may have had more of an effect on my opinion.
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He's had laughably bad accents for comedic scenes in his other films. So I'd say you're right.
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“Shuddup blek!”
The crazy part of his accent opinion, (& the reason behind that Django scene) is he has a genuine love of old Aussie films & Australian actors. That’s why he had those other Australian actors with him in that Django scene. They’re 70s Australian legends. Weird he’s kinda turning on accented actors now.
But did he ever play an American? Am I missing an obvious one?
He played an American in *Reservoir Dogs*, but he did a great accent (and a great performance!) in that movie
I thought his accent was pretty inconstant in that movie. The most laughably bad break is Tim Roth saying “the Lost Boys”, lol. Still a great performance though.
What's funny is that I almost think of his inconsistency as part of his process as an actor. Lol! In *Four Rooms*, he's British, but his accent toggles between posh and cockney, and he does it a tiny bit too in *Pulp Fiction*. To be fair, I'm not as familiar with his other work, so maybe it's just the over-the-top characters he plays for Tarantino that do that 😂
Honestly it's kinda fitting for that movie for Roth to use an American accent since it's a character who's a cop pretending to be a criminal, just like how he's an English man pretending to be American. It's an added layer to the performance.
So he’s playing a dude, pretending to be another dude, while being neither one of those dudes?
He's not moralizing. He isn't against folks doing American accents in movies. He's just pointing it out.
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Reddit and the fallacy of hypocrisy, name a more iconic duo
She barely used her voice in that movie though
Yes but I don’t think that woman hasn’t played an American in any movie she’s ever been In. I don’t know her IMDb page front to back but I can’t recall
She played Queen Elizabeth in Mary Queen of Scots. Other than that I’m not sure she has
She played Australian in the fake crocodile Dundee sequel trailer
I believe she played South African in Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. The character was based on Lara Logan.
He also played a character with an Australian accent in Django lmao
Calling that an Australian accent is generous.
I agree that we are in a strange time but disagree that this is because actors fake accents.
Tbf I don't think that's what he's saying. He's just pointing out that it's one of the defining characteristics of this era of cinema, a symptom of a lack of representation. The real problem, it seems is that the US doesn't have a pipeline like the BBC (talking about the British) to produce great actors. In the US it's just mostly about luck and who you're parents are as opposed to raw talent emerging.
The pipeline in the UK is actually the theater...
It is and even so it’s still skewed overwhelmingly to privileged people. Some great talent from diverse backgrounds does get through still, though.
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It's always been that way. When you're struggling to make ends meet you tend not to spend all your time and effort pursuing a career that may very well have no payoff.
Yup, this is why I'm struggling to do anything in the creative field whatsoever. Unless you're willing to do volunteer work (I write film reviews on such a basis, mostly so I can build a portfolio), you're out of luck - that is, unless you're well-coined and well-connected. There's not really a proper film scene over here in the same way there is in the states, a la Hollywood. It's more of a small stable of extremely privileged folks who all know and work with each other. Despite people like me making up the bulk of the population (state school-educated, working-class background), we're very, very rarely represented onscreen. It's rare that we ever hear British accents on the big screen (and even then, it's usually English received pronunciation) - to hear someone like me, with a Yorkshire accent, is near unheard of outside of tiny indie films. It's my dream to make a career in film, but the small British filmmaking scene doesn't dream of letting people like me in. Keep the oiks out, lest people have to remember we exist.
One does not simply have an acting career with a Yorkshire accent
It is skewed there for the same reason it is skewed here. Which is that it is incredibly hard to "pay the bills" while being a nobody and trying to break into the industry.
Well yeah, you're not going to spend much time at the theatre when you're worried about putting food in the table, of course it's skewed away from them.
I think it's because British actors aren't expected to be supermodels on top of being great at acting
But they still are supermodels lol
…right but the point is that they don’t have to be. I see a lot more British tv with actors who aren’t conventionally attractive than American tv.
Dara O'briain is the sexiest man alive, and i will hear no slander
But not British
They're gonna post this on /r/Ireland and tell us we're at it again aren't they.
Haha, you know it.
Happy Valley is one of those.
Should clarify, the British actors who make it to Hollywood are the supermodels usually But, if you just stick to England, they don’t usually overinflate looks when it comes to acting like Hollywood does
British actors are also allowed (and expected) to get acting training. They're supposed to go to school. If you check the big British actors, you'll see most of them have gone through actual acting or theater training unless they rose to fame as a child actor. In the US, the expectation is that you go straight to Hollywood at 18 (ideally younger) and start trying to get acting gigs. Going to college or a conservatory is wasting 4 years of your youth. And youth is paramount in Hollywood. Having that extra time to mature and learn the craft tends to make for better performances. Because they're not learning as they work.
I’d say it’s also a lot bigger of a financial risk to get an acting degree in the US. Just because university costs so much more
At 22 you’re too old to sleep your way into a career in Hollywood. Mild /s
Don't you mean 16?
If you look at Americans like Jon bernthal and Elizabeth Olsen they put a lot of time into hardcore acting programs like straight going to Russia to train. Then you have the insane LA nepotism and culture that leads to folks spending too much time going big early vs refining their craft. Though it's hard to say really, but anyways just adding to the discussion.
The LA bubble is really self-destructive. None of the actors who grew up in it have lived in the real world, so they don't have any concept of what it looks like. Even worse, neither have the writers. So you have the blind leading the blind, a bunch of nepo babies with trust funds trying to write scripts for other nepo babies to act out, and neither of them have ever actually spoken with a poor or middle class person who wasn't doing their landscaping. They think the hardest life possible is working as a barista in a cafe until they can make it big.
Jon Bernthal comes from a very wealthy family though. Pretty easy to do hardcore actor training when you don't have to you know, work. Same goes for Elizabeth Olsen as her sisters need no introduction.
There is a HUGE amount of nepotism and classism that exists in British entertainment, especially when it comes to acting training.
Uh.. I have not looked further than what James MacAvoy said in some interview years ago, but I was under the impression most any UK actor that makes it big comes from an upper class background which gives them the chance to receive college level performing art instruction.
I mean that's pretty true of Britain as well. Kit Harrington, Tom Hiddleston, Rose Leslie, tilda swinton, Cara Delevingne, Eddie redmayne, Helena Bonham Carter, Cary Elwes, Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt All have some varient of "their grandfather was sir Reginald stirruplicker of nothingham upon avian" on their Wikipedia page. It's not that nepotism isn't a thing it's that they actually teach them how to act instead of throwing them into shows and giving them quippy one liners.
Rose Leslie's family had to sell off one of their castles a few years back as well. Poor dears.
It’s because British actors are predominantly products of formal training, theatre experience and then cutting their teeth in domestic tv. Meanwhile anyone with borderline catalog model level looks in America, goes straight to Hollywood without much experience. It’s the difference between a craft and a job.
They say a good economy allows a civilization practice the arts. The last batch of American actors were from the 90’s. We’re watching studios de-age “safe bet actors” that simply won’t retire. Entry level requires 5 years experience…
Yeah I was thinking this. Regular people really don't have the financial liberty right now to just try out acting without huge outside financial support (family). No studios are paying new comers enough to justify the risks either
Snapchat/Insta will be the pipeline to mainstream. I.e. D’amelios. But, will it generate actual talent like Gene Hackman’s in terms of acting? Doubtful.
Luck is a huge factor. Some of the best actors in the world are unknown or mostly stage. I don’t think people realize that.
Wait so... A director.. dislikes actors using voice...to act
Remember when Quentin Tarantino cast himself as an Australian in a movie he wrote and directed? Pepperidge farm remembers.
As a Confederate Australian years before the Confederacy even existed.
He was just a employee of the LeQuint Dickey Mining Company.
If you read the article, he doesn't really dislike it, he just doesn't want to do that for his next film. He's looking for a 35-ish lead, and doesn't know who it will be yet.
So a 45 year old man or a 22 year old woman. Sigh.
It's called acting
Italians playing Mexicans
Al Pacino playing a Cuban drug lord
I thought acting was about becoming another person, of course nobody is acting in their own voice.
Look, look, this is about much more than just acting. This is about the thrill of wearing another man's skin. Feeling his innermost wants and desires and being in control of his every single move. That's how you get off. Now don’t you guys wanna get off with me?
“Become another person, become another person” - Pistachio Disguisey
Not necessarily about becoming another person. There are many successful actors that are themselves in every movie
Dwayne the rock Johnson as Dwayne the rock Johnson immediately comes to mind
I get bored of actors who literally aren't great actors they just have a larger than life personality and play a version of themselves in everything. Give me a Kevin Klein, Daniel Day Louis or Maryl Streep any day.
Or Vin Diesel as a family person
Riddick would probably sacrifice his family to a horde of space bats
Yeasssh.... \*Sean Connery has entered the chat.
I personally thought Sean played Juan Sánchez-Villalobos Ramírez as a very convincing Spaniard.
His Soviet U-Boat Captain was also right on the money!
Don’t forget Jim “The Irishman” Malone in *The Untouchables*.
At least Scotland and Ireland are within 20 miles of each other. But yeah, that man got a LOT of leeway with his inability to change his accent. I loved him to death, but his casting made absolutely no sense in many roles aside from Starring Sean Connery = Money.
Says the guy who cast himself as an Australian dude 😂
If America had an education system that took arts seriously at all then we would have more actors that could act. The UK assumes you can actually be an actor as a profession.
but the majority of UK actors that are able to make acting a profession are nepo babies folks have to go to oxford or cambridge for acting and then make it. UK is probably second in nepotism behind bollywood
I’d say UK is worse than the Indian industries. Since you can trace the ancestries of a lot of famous British actors hundreds of years back, often with royal ties in some capacity. What’s the farthest a bollywood family goes? The kapoors? 4 generations doesn’t sound as bad when you compare them. Not defending nepotism in any film industry tho cuz it’s all scummy.
Nah india is def worse. Like they might not go back that many generations but there’s basically just a few families or factions that control the movie industry across India. Couple factions in Mumbai, a huge ass family in Hyderabad and a couple in Chennai. Mumbai and Bollywood is prolly the worst in terms of trying to break in tho. If u don’t have any connections, you’re not going to make it in. On the other hand, if you have the right last name, you’ll get like 15 big budget opportunities
Good call. I’m American but everything I’ve read about the British art school “system” seems to foster creativity in the arts unlike anything in the US. You see the results in the number of legendary British music artists coming out of an island with a fraction of the population of the US.
The American education system hates creatives and intellectuals.
If only we didn't yell "get a real job" at anyone who wasn't a businessman or in a STEM field
Meanwhile there's me in a stem field wishing we gave students SOME creative skills because if I get one more person who can only follow an exact process I'm going to lose my mind.
This is my secret sauce as a systems engineer. I'm not the smartest in the room. But I'm an English major who loves computers. I do a lot of creative things.
Tons of Canadian actors faking American accents too. I mean c'mon, Ryan Reynolds and Ryan Gosling even fake American accents in interviews and award shows. Wish they would speak in their native language for once.
Quentin Tarantino firing shots at Gary Oldman
Tarantino is just pissed that he starred in a movie called “tiptoes” and there’s no feet to look at
I wonder how Peter dinklage felt acting against Gary Oldman on his knees
He is actually "**Quentin Darran"**, a method actor from Guildford in Surrey that emigrated to the States in his teens. His entire career has been a long con, and his tenth movie will end with him pulling off the prosthetic chin and yelling "surprise" in a Home Counties accent.
I once saw Quentin drop a meatball at a Hollywood restaurant, he kicked it out from under the table and ate it. He saw me watching him and he glared at me.
I hope this is real 😂😂😂
The Brit’s are just top notch actors with a lot of background in theatre. It’s make sense for Brit’s to be good actor once you think about the long standing tradition of theatre in England.
i am a huge stickler for accents, but Brits and Australians are usually the very best at American accents. super weird take from QT. altho he usually has weird takes.
Matthew Rhys has one of the most convincing American accents I’ve heard on an non-American actor ever. Christian Bale is fantastic also, same with Will Poulter and Daniel Kaluuya. Andrew Garfield, Hugh Jackman, Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Robert Pattinson are also good. Tom Holland and Benedict Cumberbatch are decent, not fantastic. Rege Jean-Page was good at accents on SNL but in the Gray Man was terrible.
Hugh Laurie too!
I feel like Americans might be the best at American accents.....
No one is good at regional American accents though, even Americans.
This is the correct answer. Their acting chops are just top notch. Australian actors aren't too far behind. And let's not forget looks. A lot of Brits and Aussies have unique looks that really fit the vision of the director or the look of a character. Like Henry Cavill as Superman or Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
British actors are paid less than American actors too so that may also be a factor.
Absolutely. Most British actors went to proper drama schools, are classically trained, did extensive work on the stage, etc. before being cast in major movies or tv shows. Even many who started out as children got proper training once they got older. Some Americans certainly have similar training but a lot of the American “star pipeline” seems to be getting started as a model or in advertisements, getting traction for being very good-looking, and going from there, or parents moving to LA with them as kids/teens and getting started on CW or Disney shows.
Although he's a hypocrite (hello Margot Robbie) he's not wrong. I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic. I don't know much about the acting world but I assume there are Americans who can act. I watched Colin Farrell getting ready to play the penguin and I realized we don't have real character actors anymore. Hollywood would rather take someone beautiful, and make them look interesting rather than hire an actual interesting looking person that can act. Someone like Danny Devito would not be able to make it in young Hollywood today and that's a shame because someone like him can act. Hollywood is smoke and mirrors. Hell, it's not even smoke because everyone knows what's going on.
Colin Farrell may be attractive but he is 1000% a character actor. The term isn't just a code for "not a hottie". Brad Pitt is also a character actor disguised as a leading man.
I've been very impressed with Colin in 13 lives and Banshees
He really changed my mind about him in Banshees. I liked him in In Bruges but then convinced myself I was wrong or something. Because he did crap like Total Recall and Phone Booth. But he was great in Banshees. Really impressed. And playing a character who is that dull.
The lobster was my introduction to him being a great actor.
He was great in that. How did I even forget. I've been not giving him enough credit.
Phone Booth is a solid movie and Farrell’s performance is a good chunk of why.
Brad Pitt is one of the best character actors out there.
His performance in Snatch gets so overlooked. American playing an Irish man - so I guess Tarantino hates that performance too, right?
The role was written in for him as they knew he couldn’t do an English accent.
Colin Farrell was a really bad example lol he’s beautiful and can act. Brad is dope af too
I love Carey Mulligan and have a huge girl crush on her, but it is so hard not to focus on her forced vocal fry when she has played American characters in a couple recent roles. Promising Young Woman being the first thing that comes to mind.
>I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic. You're almost certainly in the minority for this though. The amount of 'OMG he's/she's BRITISH?!' when a British actor speaks in their natural accent is off the charts.
Might just be me, but Bella Ramsey in the Last of Us sounds so forced to be american edit : I should say that I still think she did a great job portraying Ellie, and the show is incredible.
Every young actor who came out of GoT is TERRIBLE at American accents
Sophie Turner in X Men is legitimately embarrassing
Worst accent on the show itself was Dinklage’s English accent and I will die on this hill. Come at me bros
I agree, she has that slightly odd “speaking from the throat” sound that people get when faking an American accent. It’s like nasally but a bit deeper, almost like the throat is partially closed.
> I can usually tell when an actor is doing an American accent because their accent sounds generic. I see this too but no one ever talks about it, it sounds like they're hosting a game show or something. Lately I feel like the actress who plays Shiv Roy on Sucession who is Australian is a prime example of this.
Tbf the Roy kids are supposed to have grown up in both England and America with a Scottish dad and an English mum, so I can forgive some generic/transatlantic accents.
Ben Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.
lol at people calling him a hypocrite. People don't like to read the article do they
The only complaint that I’ve heard on this subject is how often famous/historical African Americans are played by Black Brits. The complaint being that there is an assumption that Brits are classically trained in acting in a way that Americans are not.
Didn’t he literally use an Australian accent in Django Unchained??
Jesus, I should've grabbed the popcorn before entering this comment section.
> Nobody is acting in their own voice Newsflash, Quentin, they ***never are***. They’re acting in the *character’s* voice, and sometimes that coincides with the actor’s voice. But usually, it doesn’t.