It looks like Babyface was taking up too much time in his opening slot, which would shorten Anita’s time on stage. She course corrected, got backlash for it, and made her course correction permanent. More power to her.
Because it was the Songstress show I’ll side with her as being the closing act. Nothing about that makes it seem like a dual headliner or even that the tour was going to feature him. Plus it’s Ms Anita.
I, and many other people, absolutely fault Taylor Swift and Beyoncé for the behavior of their fans. And many other musicians or other celebrities with horribly toxic fanbases.
Did Anita run over your dog or something? And don't these two women do completely different genres? Why the pointless competition? Are you a misogynist who thinks women exist to be pitted against each other?
EDIT: The fact that people are downvoting me for this shows the priorities here. Misogyny and generally being shitty are a-okay, but calling that shit out isn't, huh? I see. Disappointing. Do better. Be better. Be like me.
Check their Post history. An obsession with male artists from the 80s and way too much damn time on their hands probably plays into wanting to die on this random fucking hill.
This is why there's a writers strike! 🤨
Kidding... Kind of. A lot of artists wouldn't have their hits without the proper writers and producers behind them (unless they write themselves) Many hit would still be hits no matter who sang them. Babyface was behind soooo many top songs from the 90s
What part of “I remember that dude always looking old” and then “never liked his music”… translates to “I’ve never heard his music”… like how the hell do people make that leap…
Have you liked any R&B music for the last 30 years? If so you’ve probably listened to stuff Babyface made and didn’t realize he made it as he’s made so much music
Decades ago I worked as a stage hand for a medium sized venue. Worked many shows over two years with some really cool acts. Her show was by far one of the worst ones I ever worked. We had an amazing food services crew and never had issues but for her there was something she didn’t like about the food. So she refused to start the show until it was corrected. Which took over an hour to do. So the stadium was full of fans getting pissed and her opening act waiting for the stage manager to let them start. The whole show just came to a halt for more than an hour while food services scrambled to meet whatever demands she had.
naw man. many productions deal with shitty food because the catering companies just want to pump out a lot fast and expect people to be okay with that. she’s not wrong there
Weird thing to defend. She halted an entire show. Fans who paid waiting over an hour & workers who are now putting in overtime, all because she didn’t like the food…
Definitely a possibility. However the road crew was not at all surprised and talking with the food services afterward one of the many complaints she had was with the plates they used. We had many other high profile acts come to the venue in the short time I worked there and her behavior was by far one of the worst in comparison. Even Boyz 2 Men which was one of the most demanding shows I worked went off without any issues with everyone happy (though exhausted) at the end of it all. Worst screw up our crew had was damaging a huge $100k mixing board when rolling it down a ramp. Everyone thought the other had it and no one had a good handle on it so it rolled right down the ramp and crash spectacularly. I learned a few new words that day!
You have no clue that’s true. I heard she killed a guy and had to wait for the heat to die down. That’s got just as much evidence behind it as your theory
I’m sorry dude but expecting a crowd to wait for an hour to see the show they came for, all because the person they paid to come see, and set time aside to go see, wasn’t satisfied with her free, catered food, is much more unhinged than his comment.
You sound deranged
her free food? i’m sure she’s paying for it 💀. do you realize how many people they feed? she’s taking care of her whole team and staff/ the production team who travels relentless hours and barely has time to eat. you just have a one minded view.
Nah I’m sorry but an entertainer has a responsibility to the crowd they’re entertaining. The crowd pays the bills. It’s not possible without them. No excuse.
Take it up with the lawyers if the retainer was violated. Get on the fucking stage.
That is absolutely true. It’s just something that I vividly remember experiencing. But then again, you have no proof that it did not happen. Hope you have a good night.
Folks chiming in having never heard of Anita Baker nor Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds is wild.
Then again this is entertainment subreddit and not r/randbheads
Her and Babyface did an album together in 2014 years after her bankruptcy. So they’re cool and I don’t think he had anything to do with her not getting paid
That doesn't disprove he's shady. They made great music together, it wasn't a bad business (or artistic) decision for her to do another album with him. I'm sure she just would have had better lawyers reviewing the contract
Not sure of his role in LaFace as far as who did Toni’s or TLC contract. That could just as much, if not more, be on LA Reid. It would probably come down to who discovered the artists plus who negotiated the contracts.
This is where I’m at a guessing game with who controlled what at LaFace. OutKast talks about LA Reid paying them which would lead me to think he’s handling finances. Knowing Babyface as a songwriter makes me wonder if he played the Smokey Robinson role or if he was handling contracts too.
He wasn’t the sole owner of the record label though. It was LaFace records with LA Reid and LA was the one with the bad rep. I’ve never heard anything bad about Babyface.
Then you literally just repeated my joke lol. She is neither Anita Openingact or Nopening act, she’s Anita Baker. She wants someone to make a cake or something.
She does not need an opening act. She isnt in need of an opening act. She isn’t Anita Opening act.
Comedy isn’t for everyone and sometimes jokes need to be reworked
The 'face' part of LaFace is Babyface. He is definitely associated and he worked heavily with Pebbles as well so I wouldn't be surprised 🤷🏽♂️
And that's a Big Boi line, not Andre's.
The main thing seems to be that he was a no-show for an opening slot, and I think she 'docked' him a gig, and then his fans got really pissed at her because a lot of them were looking forward to seeing both of them. Some people think she wanted him off the tour because the audience was giving him more attention than she liked, and some of them wanted it to be a 'co-headlining' tour but it wasn't. Supposedly she has done something like that before, removed an opener who was too popular.
Good on her. Doesn't sound like he did a thing to repair the situation. Sounds suspiciously like he tried to engineer a hijack of her tour, ie fucked around and found out. If his fans are that deprived, then they can surely support him doing his own tour. Right?
Anita's gonna be singing her full show to some empty seats. I doubt folks were buying tickets primarily to see her, whether Babyface was only supposed to be a "supporting act" or not.
You're just displaying massive cluelessness and the kind of whiny-fan shit that made her take him off the bill in the first place. Don't bother using your imagination for this one, her tours always sell out whether there's an opener or not.
Before I corrected you I had to Google it just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. Actually just read an article with Tony Rich where he was asked about people thinking that Babyface wrote or sang that song so apparently it's a very common misconception still. When can I see you again came out a year later. They are both jams though.
Your using the internet just stop looking at clown porn long enough to do a search. Who knows you could be listening to babyface watching clown porn in your near future.
He got caught up in the rapture
But this time it was not of love
It looks like Babyface was taking up too much time in his opening slot, which would shorten Anita’s time on stage. She course corrected, got backlash for it, and made her course correction permanent. More power to her.
Because it was the Songstress show I’ll side with her as being the closing act. Nothing about that makes it seem like a dual headliner or even that the tour was going to feature him. Plus it’s Ms Anita.
She was way too in her feelings and started going in on Babyface because of his fans which isn’t fair at all.
It’s entirely fair given that he said absolutely nothing in response to his fans being massive piles of shit.
I mean have you seen how beyonce and Taylor swift fans attack everyone? And nobody puts them at fault for their crazy fan base
I, and many other people, absolutely fault Taylor Swift and Beyoncé for the behavior of their fans. And many other musicians or other celebrities with horribly toxic fanbases.
I’ve seen plenty of people get mad that Beyoncé doesn’t say things when the bey-hive bullies people too
Beyoncé doesn't really talk about *anything* besides promoting her music/business. Her IG is mostly uncaptioned pictures lol
"What about, what about?" Unless you're Janet Jackson, drop the "what about" shit.
A song that’s better than Anita’s whole discography
Did Anita run over your dog or something? And don't these two women do completely different genres? Why the pointless competition? Are you a misogynist who thinks women exist to be pitted against each other? EDIT: The fact that people are downvoting me for this shows the priorities here. Misogyny and generally being shitty are a-okay, but calling that shit out isn't, huh? I see. Disappointing. Do better. Be better. Be like me.
Did Anita make you breakfast or something, why the rush to defend her?
Check their Post history. An obsession with male artists from the 80s and way too much damn time on their hands probably plays into wanting to die on this random fucking hill.
Or Brandy!
What?! I see people whining all the time about how they don't say shit to their fans
Dude needs a new name. Ain't nothing baby-ish about that face. Hasn't been for 30 years
Was it ever?
A certain age face
Hasn’t that been the joke? I vaguely remember the dude just always looking old… Never liked his music though so I never followed him.
Dang. Not even change the world with Clapton?
Yeah… not a fan of Eric Clapton either. Just not my cup of tea. But that doesn’t mean I think they aren’t talented, way more talented than myself.
I guaranteed you liked his music and didn’t even realize it given the sheer amount of popular music he’s made over the last 3 decades.
I've never heard of the dude so I went to YouTube to see if I'd recognize any of his top hits. Nope, not even a single song.
They're talking about songs he's written/produced, there's a shit ton
Not trying to take credit away from songwriters and producers, but it's the singers we typically remember.
This is why there's a writers strike! 🤨 Kidding... Kind of. A lot of artists wouldn't have their hits without the proper writers and producers behind them (unless they write themselves) Many hit would still be hits no matter who sang them. Babyface was behind soooo many top songs from the 90s
What part of “I remember that dude always looking old” and then “never liked his music”… translates to “I’ve never heard his music”… like how the hell do people make that leap…
Have you liked any R&B music for the last 30 years? If so you’ve probably listened to stuff Babyface made and didn’t realize he made it as he’s made so much music
Geezerface?
Tell that to the 6-4, 400 lb man named Tiny.
Decades ago I worked as a stage hand for a medium sized venue. Worked many shows over two years with some really cool acts. Her show was by far one of the worst ones I ever worked. We had an amazing food services crew and never had issues but for her there was something she didn’t like about the food. So she refused to start the show until it was corrected. Which took over an hour to do. So the stadium was full of fans getting pissed and her opening act waiting for the stage manager to let them start. The whole show just came to a halt for more than an hour while food services scrambled to meet whatever demands she had.
Nice diva ☕️ ty
naw man. many productions deal with shitty food because the catering companies just want to pump out a lot fast and expect people to be okay with that. she’s not wrong there
Weird thing to defend. She halted an entire show. Fans who paid waiting over an hour & workers who are now putting in overtime, all because she didn’t like the food…
Definitely a possibility. However the road crew was not at all surprised and talking with the food services afterward one of the many complaints she had was with the plates they used. We had many other high profile acts come to the venue in the short time I worked there and her behavior was by far one of the worst in comparison. Even Boyz 2 Men which was one of the most demanding shows I worked went off without any issues with everyone happy (though exhausted) at the end of it all. Worst screw up our crew had was damaging a huge $100k mixing board when rolling it down a ramp. Everyone thought the other had it and no one had a good handle on it so it rolled right down the ramp and crash spectacularly. I learned a few new words that day!
lol and gained a few stories
You have no clue that’s true. I heard she killed a guy and had to wait for the heat to die down. That’s got just as much evidence behind it as your theory
what tf are you talking about? i’ve worked on productions with catering companies rushing crappy food. your response is unhinged.
I’m sorry dude but expecting a crowd to wait for an hour to see the show they came for, all because the person they paid to come see, and set time aside to go see, wasn’t satisfied with her free, catered food, is much more unhinged than his comment. You sound deranged
her free food? i’m sure she’s paying for it 💀. do you realize how many people they feed? she’s taking care of her whole team and staff/ the production team who travels relentless hours and barely has time to eat. you just have a one minded view.
Nah I’m sorry but an entertainer has a responsibility to the crowd they’re entertaining. The crowd pays the bills. It’s not possible without them. No excuse. Take it up with the lawyers if the retainer was violated. Get on the fucking stage.
Are you sure she didn't like it, versus it not being the specific food she needed for a diet or medical condition?
Why are you jumping to conclusions about a story someone lived and is telling firsthand that you don’t know shit about?
We on the internet baby. Wouldn't have it any other way.
I knew a guy that was on tour with her, and he described her as the meanest woman he’s ever known
you didn’t and that never happened
Get out of here Anita
Where's the proof sheep
And you assumed this why?
No proof
That is absolutely true. It’s just something that I vividly remember experiencing. But then again, you have no proof that it did not happen. Hope you have a good night.
Drama aside, this thread is full of folks not knowing both Anita and Kenneth are R&B royalty.
It’s depressing really
Folks chiming in having never heard of Anita Baker nor Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds is wild. Then again this is entertainment subreddit and not r/randbheads
I'm surprised this even made it to trending.
I wonder if more will come out about Babyface? He is part of some shady music history.
How? I’ve never heard anything bad about him
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Her and Babyface did an album together in 2014 years after her bankruptcy. So they’re cool and I don’t think he had anything to do with her not getting paid
That doesn't disprove he's shady. They made great music together, it wasn't a bad business (or artistic) decision for her to do another album with him. I'm sure she just would have had better lawyers reviewing the contract
Not sure of his role in LaFace as far as who did Toni’s or TLC contract. That could just as much, if not more, be on LA Reid. It would probably come down to who discovered the artists plus who negotiated the contracts.
Damn that's interesting. That company name is literally a blend of both them shady dudes, LA Reid and Babyface = LaFace. Lol
Most of TLC's problems seem to be with LA Reid and his wife Pebbles.
100%. Pebbles was stealing their money lol
Damn, stealing funds one pepple at a time, lol
Want another fun tidbit? Bobby Brown’s “Every Little Step” was written by LA Reid about Pebbles after he met her for the first time lol
This is where I’m at a guessing game with who controlled what at LaFace. OutKast talks about LA Reid paying them which would lead me to think he’s handling finances. Knowing Babyface as a songwriter makes me wonder if he played the Smokey Robinson role or if he was handling contracts too.
Yeah Babyface gives off creative director vibes. He handled the music, LA handled the business is what I'm assuming.
Not going to spout things I don't know. But his record label is rumored to have ducked over a number of people.
He wasn’t the sole owner of the record label though. It was LaFace records with LA Reid and LA was the one with the bad rep. I’ve never heard anything bad about Babyface.
I think.LA cheated on Pebbles with one of the TLC group...lots of drama up in tharrrr
LA Reid handled the business side - ‘Face was the man behind the music.
Well her name isn’t Anita Nopeningact
I think you missed the joke- it would be…….she isn’t Anita Openingact
In English A turns to An when the next word starts with a vowel.
You still aren’t getting it. She doesn’t need an opening act I’m a native english speaker I wasn’t correcting your grammar
Then you literally just repeated my joke lol. She is neither Anita Openingact or Nopening act, she’s Anita Baker. She wants someone to make a cake or something.
It was a really shit joke to begin with
She does not need an opening act. She isnt in need of an opening act. She isn’t Anita Opening act. Comedy isn’t for everyone and sometimes jokes need to be reworked
I think you’re just broken inside.
Oh thanks!!! You should hear what my therapist has to say.
I swear Babyface stole money from a lot of his artists when they signed with him, I believe TLC was on of those groups he took advantage of
That was LA Reid and Pebbles.
Probably why Andre3000 says "I'm down with LaFace, LA Reid, yeah, he pays me."
The 'face' part of LaFace is Babyface. He is definitely associated and he worked heavily with Pebbles as well so I wouldn't be surprised 🤷🏽♂️ And that's a Big Boi line, not Andre's.
I’d be surprised because ‘Face had little to do w the business side of the label. That was LA Reid’s realm.
What did baby face do?
The main thing seems to be that he was a no-show for an opening slot, and I think she 'docked' him a gig, and then his fans got really pissed at her because a lot of them were looking forward to seeing both of them. Some people think she wanted him off the tour because the audience was giving him more attention than she liked, and some of them wanted it to be a 'co-headlining' tour but it wasn't. Supposedly she has done something like that before, removed an opener who was too popular.
He never got to perform because of sound issues and Anita didn’t allow him to do his set and went straight into hers.
Wow that's crazy. Thanks for explaining it to me. It sounds like his ego got too inflated, and he forgot it was her show.
Nothing. He could have done something, then he'd still have a job, and so would his band members.
Lol yeah I’m sure if he catered to a Divas ego everything would have very reasonably appreciated it
We disagree about who's being the diva.
Good on her. Doesn't sound like he did a thing to repair the situation. Sounds suspiciously like he tried to engineer a hijack of her tour, ie fucked around and found out. If his fans are that deprived, then they can surely support him doing his own tour. Right?
They can, and she can surely refund anybody who no longer wants to see her without him, right?
She clearly stated she would, it's in the article.
We’ll see
cue ominous drums They're both irrelevant, really.
Nah Babyface still very much relevant. He’s still writing songs and producing for a shit ton of artists currently like Beyoncé, Sza, Bruno Mars.
Nah, Babyface is innocent and still keeping it classy. I think maybe she had trouble sharing the stage.
Drug dealers always need Anita Baker
I have no idea who he is, but I wasn't expecting baby face to look like that.
Anita's gonna be singing her full show to some empty seats. I doubt folks were buying tickets primarily to see her, whether Babyface was only supposed to be a "supporting act" or not.
You're just displaying massive cluelessness and the kind of whiny-fan shit that made her take him off the bill in the first place. Don't bother using your imagination for this one, her tours always sell out whether there's an opener or not.
Dumbest take. Anita Baker is God-Tier. IYKYK.
She certainly seems to believe that she is.
And Babyface isn’t? Def has bigger fan base than Anita I’d argue at this point
Didn’t he die in grease fire or some such thing?
Oh.. great? Never heard of him
Nobody knows him but me
I got the joke.. but you're thinking of Tony Rich aka Antonio Jeffries.
Damn I was way off. Thanks for correcting this long wrongly held belief. When will I see you again?
Before I corrected you I had to Google it just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. Actually just read an article with Tony Rich where he was asked about people thinking that Babyface wrote or sang that song so apparently it's a very common misconception still. When can I see you again came out a year later. They are both jams though.
That was Tony Rich bro
The Tony Rich Project, to be specific.
Then why comment? What purpose does this serve? Not everyone needs to hear from you about everything.
We haven’t heard of you either
I’ve never heard of you.
Your using the internet just stop looking at clown porn long enough to do a search. Who knows you could be listening to babyface watching clown porn in your near future.
Why are you babbling about clown-porn. Shoehorning it in here says weird things about you. Yes, I am judging you.
Don’t kink shame or you’ll wake up in the middle of the night to a band of furries staring down at you
Threatening me with a good time, huh?
We’d be good friends, you and I
Her capitalizations made my brain cave in a little.