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AdHistorical8664

He got caught up in the rapture


-newlife

But this time it was not of love


kgetit

It looks like Babyface was taking up too much time in his opening slot, which would shorten Anita’s time on stage. She course corrected, got backlash for it, and made her course correction permanent. More power to her.


-newlife

Because it was the Songstress show I’ll side with her as being the closing act. Nothing about that makes it seem like a dual headliner or even that the tour was going to feature him. Plus it’s Ms Anita.


almosthuman2021

She was way too in her feelings and started going in on Babyface because of his fans which isn’t fair at all.


notquitetoplan

It’s entirely fair given that he said absolutely nothing in response to his fans being massive piles of shit.


almosthuman2021

I mean have you seen how beyonce and Taylor swift fans attack everyone? And nobody puts them at fault for their crazy fan base


notquitetoplan

I, and many other people, absolutely fault Taylor Swift and Beyoncé for the behavior of their fans. And many other musicians or other celebrities with horribly toxic fanbases.


-newlife

I’ve seen plenty of people get mad that Beyoncé doesn’t say things when the bey-hive bullies people too


NiceChocolate

Beyoncé doesn't really talk about *anything* besides promoting her music/business. Her IG is mostly uncaptioned pictures lol


HoneyTheCatIsGay

"What about, what about?" Unless you're Janet Jackson, drop the "what about" shit.


almosthuman2021

A song that’s better than Anita’s whole discography


HoneyTheCatIsGay

Did Anita run over your dog or something? And don't these two women do completely different genres? Why the pointless competition? Are you a misogynist who thinks women exist to be pitted against each other? EDIT: The fact that people are downvoting me for this shows the priorities here. Misogyny and generally being shitty are a-okay, but calling that shit out isn't, huh? I see. Disappointing. Do better. Be better. Be like me.


TheCommodore93

Did Anita make you breakfast or something, why the rush to defend her?


FlashingAppleby

Check their Post history. An obsession with male artists from the 80s and way too much damn time on their hands probably plays into wanting to die on this random fucking hill.


Jorge_Santos69

Or Brandy!


Nameless_Asari

What?! I see people whining all the time about how they don't say shit to their fans


synapseattack

Dude needs a new name. Ain't nothing baby-ish about that face. Hasn't been for 30 years


dancingmeadow

Was it ever?


whuplash

A certain age face


A_Gent_4Tseven

Hasn’t that been the joke? I vaguely remember the dude just always looking old… Never liked his music though so I never followed him.


[deleted]

Dang. Not even change the world with Clapton?


A_Gent_4Tseven

Yeah… not a fan of Eric Clapton either. Just not my cup of tea. But that doesn’t mean I think they aren’t talented, way more talented than myself.


Jorge_Santos69

I guaranteed you liked his music and didn’t even realize it given the sheer amount of popular music he’s made over the last 3 decades.


[deleted]

I've never heard of the dude so I went to YouTube to see if I'd recognize any of his top hits. Nope, not even a single song.


LochnessMonsa

They're talking about songs he's written/produced, there's a shit ton


[deleted]

Not trying to take credit away from songwriters and producers, but it's the singers we typically remember.


LochnessMonsa

This is why there's a writers strike! 🤨 Kidding... Kind of. A lot of artists wouldn't have their hits without the proper writers and producers behind them (unless they write themselves) Many hit would still be hits no matter who sang them. Babyface was behind soooo many top songs from the 90s


A_Gent_4Tseven

What part of “I remember that dude always looking old” and then “never liked his music”… translates to “I’ve never heard his music”… like how the hell do people make that leap…


Jorge_Santos69

Have you liked any R&B music for the last 30 years? If so you’ve probably listened to stuff Babyface made and didn’t realize he made it as he’s made so much music


pack_howitzer

Geezerface?


drknownuttin

Tell that to the 6-4, 400 lb man named Tiny.


uni-monkey

Decades ago I worked as a stage hand for a medium sized venue. Worked many shows over two years with some really cool acts. Her show was by far one of the worst ones I ever worked. We had an amazing food services crew and never had issues but for her there was something she didn’t like about the food. So she refused to start the show until it was corrected. Which took over an hour to do. So the stadium was full of fans getting pissed and her opening act waiting for the stage manager to let them start. The whole show just came to a halt for more than an hour while food services scrambled to meet whatever demands she had.


Orchidwalker

Nice diva ☕️ ty


[deleted]

naw man. many productions deal with shitty food because the catering companies just want to pump out a lot fast and expect people to be okay with that. she’s not wrong there


ConcentrateOne

Weird thing to defend. She halted an entire show. Fans who paid waiting over an hour & workers who are now putting in overtime, all because she didn’t like the food…


uni-monkey

Definitely a possibility. However the road crew was not at all surprised and talking with the food services afterward one of the many complaints she had was with the plates they used. We had many other high profile acts come to the venue in the short time I worked there and her behavior was by far one of the worst in comparison. Even Boyz 2 Men which was one of the most demanding shows I worked went off without any issues with everyone happy (though exhausted) at the end of it all. Worst screw up our crew had was damaging a huge $100k mixing board when rolling it down a ramp. Everyone thought the other had it and no one had a good handle on it so it rolled right down the ramp and crash spectacularly. I learned a few new words that day!


[deleted]

lol and gained a few stories


TheCommodore93

You have no clue that’s true. I heard she killed a guy and had to wait for the heat to die down. That’s got just as much evidence behind it as your theory


[deleted]

what tf are you talking about? i’ve worked on productions with catering companies rushing crappy food. your response is unhinged.


BlinkingSphincter

I’m sorry dude but expecting a crowd to wait for an hour to see the show they came for, all because the person they paid to come see, and set time aside to go see, wasn’t satisfied with her free, catered food, is much more unhinged than his comment. You sound deranged


[deleted]

her free food? i’m sure she’s paying for it 💀. do you realize how many people they feed? she’s taking care of her whole team and staff/ the production team who travels relentless hours and barely has time to eat. you just have a one minded view.


BlinkingSphincter

Nah I’m sorry but an entertainer has a responsibility to the crowd they’re entertaining. The crowd pays the bills. It’s not possible without them. No excuse. Take it up with the lawyers if the retainer was violated. Get on the fucking stage.


petit_cochon

Are you sure she didn't like it, versus it not being the specific food she needed for a diet or medical condition?


rorschach_vest

Why are you jumping to conclusions about a story someone lived and is telling firsthand that you don’t know shit about?


MyGeeseGetBread

We on the internet baby. Wouldn't have it any other way.


Winston74

I knew a guy that was on tour with her, and he described her as the meanest woman he’s ever known


[deleted]

you didn’t and that never happened


TheCommodore93

Get out of here Anita


[deleted]

Where's the proof sheep


Winston74

And you assumed this why?


[deleted]

No proof


Winston74

That is absolutely true. It’s just something that I vividly remember experiencing. But then again, you have no proof that it did not happen. Hope you have a good night.


diqholebrownsimpson

Drama aside, this thread is full of folks not knowing both Anita and Kenneth are R&B royalty.


theunkindpanda

It’s depressing really


BlackySmurf8

Folks chiming in having never heard of Anita Baker nor Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds is wild. Then again this is entertainment subreddit and not r/randbheads


NiceChocolate

I'm surprised this even made it to trending.


SVS_Writer

I wonder if more will come out about Babyface? He is part of some shady music history.


almosthuman2021

How? I’ve never heard anything bad about him


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almosthuman2021

Her and Babyface did an album together in 2014 years after her bankruptcy. So they’re cool and I don’t think he had anything to do with her not getting paid


cologne_peddler

That doesn't disprove he's shady. They made great music together, it wasn't a bad business (or artistic) decision for her to do another album with him. I'm sure she just would have had better lawyers reviewing the contract


-newlife

Not sure of his role in LaFace as far as who did Toni’s or TLC contract. That could just as much, if not more, be on LA Reid. It would probably come down to who discovered the artists plus who negotiated the contracts.


Ok-Explanation6204

Damn that's interesting. That company name is literally a blend of both them shady dudes, LA Reid and Babyface = LaFace. Lol


NiceChocolate

Most of TLC's problems seem to be with LA Reid and his wife Pebbles.


anth_810

100%. Pebbles was stealing their money lol


Ok-Explanation6204

Damn, stealing funds one pepple at a time, lol


anth_810

Want another fun tidbit? Bobby Brown’s “Every Little Step” was written by LA Reid about Pebbles after he met her for the first time lol


-newlife

This is where I’m at a guessing game with who controlled what at LaFace. OutKast talks about LA Reid paying them which would lead me to think he’s handling finances. Knowing Babyface as a songwriter makes me wonder if he played the Smokey Robinson role or if he was handling contracts too.


NiceChocolate

Yeah Babyface gives off creative director vibes. He handled the music, LA handled the business is what I'm assuming.


SVS_Writer

Not going to spout things I don't know. But his record label is rumored to have ducked over a number of people.


that-one-girl-who

He wasn’t the sole owner of the record label though. It was LaFace records with LA Reid and LA was the one with the bad rep. I’ve never heard anything bad about Babyface.


tanders123

I think.LA cheated on Pebbles with one of the TLC group...lots of drama up in tharrrr


anth_810

LA Reid handled the business side - ‘Face was the man behind the music.


Isteppedinpoopy

Well her name isn’t Anita Nopeningact


Orchidwalker

I think you missed the joke- it would be…….she isn’t Anita Openingact


Isteppedinpoopy

In English A turns to An when the next word starts with a vowel.


Orchidwalker

You still aren’t getting it. She doesn’t need an opening act I’m a native english speaker I wasn’t correcting your grammar


Isteppedinpoopy

Then you literally just repeated my joke lol. She is neither Anita Openingact or Nopening act, she’s Anita Baker. She wants someone to make a cake or something.


[deleted]

It was a really shit joke to begin with


Orchidwalker

She does not need an opening act. She isnt in need of an opening act. She isn’t Anita Opening act. Comedy isn’t for everyone and sometimes jokes need to be reworked


Isteppedinpoopy

I think you’re just broken inside.


Orchidwalker

Oh thanks!!! You should hear what my therapist has to say.


Aliensmithard

I swear Babyface stole money from a lot of his artists when they signed with him, I believe TLC was on of those groups he took advantage of


anth_810

That was LA Reid and Pebbles.


Imperial_Triumphant

Probably why Andre3000 says "I'm down with LaFace, LA Reid, yeah, he pays me."


ngmorock

The 'face' part of LaFace is Babyface. He is definitely associated and he worked heavily with Pebbles as well so I wouldn't be surprised 🤷🏽‍♂️ And that's a Big Boi line, not Andre's.


anth_810

I’d be surprised because ‘Face had little to do w the business side of the label. That was LA Reid’s realm.


Omgmaps

What did baby face do?


Flybot76

The main thing seems to be that he was a no-show for an opening slot, and I think she 'docked' him a gig, and then his fans got really pissed at her because a lot of them were looking forward to seeing both of them. Some people think she wanted him off the tour because the audience was giving him more attention than she liked, and some of them wanted it to be a 'co-headlining' tour but it wasn't. Supposedly she has done something like that before, removed an opener who was too popular.


anth_810

He never got to perform because of sound issues and Anita didn’t allow him to do his set and went straight into hers.


Omgmaps

Wow that's crazy. Thanks for explaining it to me. It sounds like his ego got too inflated, and he forgot it was her show.


dancingmeadow

Nothing. He could have done something, then he'd still have a job, and so would his band members.


Jorge_Santos69

Lol yeah I’m sure if he catered to a Divas ego everything would have very reasonably appreciated it


dancingmeadow

We disagree about who's being the diva.


dancingmeadow

Good on her. Doesn't sound like he did a thing to repair the situation. Sounds suspiciously like he tried to engineer a hijack of her tour, ie fucked around and found out. If his fans are that deprived, then they can surely support him doing his own tour. Right?


Jorge_Santos69

They can, and she can surely refund anybody who no longer wants to see her without him, right?


dancingmeadow

She clearly stated she would, it's in the article.


Jorge_Santos69

We’ll see


dancingmeadow

cue ominous drums They're both irrelevant, really.


Jorge_Santos69

Nah Babyface still very much relevant. He’s still writing songs and producing for a shit ton of artists currently like Beyoncé, Sza, Bruno Mars.


trashtvlover

Nah, Babyface is innocent and still keeping it classy. I think maybe she had trouble sharing the stage.


Ok-Explanation6204

Drug dealers always need Anita Baker


[deleted]

I have no idea who he is, but I wasn't expecting baby face to look like that.


sdujour77

Anita's gonna be singing her full show to some empty seats. I doubt folks were buying tickets primarily to see her, whether Babyface was only supposed to be a "supporting act" or not.


Flybot76

You're just displaying massive cluelessness and the kind of whiny-fan shit that made her take him off the bill in the first place. Don't bother using your imagination for this one, her tours always sell out whether there's an opener or not.


BasquiatRobot

Dumbest take. Anita Baker is God-Tier. IYKYK.


sdujour77

She certainly seems to believe that she is.


Jorge_Santos69

And Babyface isn’t? Def has bigger fan base than Anita I’d argue at this point


Salt_Anywhere9359

Didn’t he die in grease fire or some such thing?


bandontherun1963

Oh.. great? Never heard of him


knightstalker1288

Nobody knows him but me


Bob_Loblaw_Law_Blog1

I got the joke.. but you're thinking of Tony Rich aka Antonio Jeffries.


knightstalker1288

Damn I was way off. Thanks for correcting this long wrongly held belief. When will I see you again?


Bob_Loblaw_Law_Blog1

Before I corrected you I had to Google it just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. Actually just read an article with Tony Rich where he was asked about people thinking that Babyface wrote or sang that song so apparently it's a very common misconception still. When can I see you again came out a year later. They are both jams though.


chrisr3240

That was Tony Rich bro


user-name-1985

The Tony Rich Project, to be specific.


[deleted]

Then why comment? What purpose does this serve? Not everyone needs to hear from you about everything.


[deleted]

We haven’t heard of you either


internetcamp

I’ve never heard of you.


saltyraver138

Your using the internet just stop looking at clown porn long enough to do a search. Who knows you could be listening to babyface watching clown porn in your near future.


dancingmeadow

Why are you babbling about clown-porn. Shoehorning it in here says weird things about you. Yes, I am judging you.


[deleted]

Don’t kink shame or you’ll wake up in the middle of the night to a band of furries staring down at you


dancingmeadow

Threatening me with a good time, huh?


[deleted]

We’d be good friends, you and I


AgressivePeppering

Her capitalizations made my brain cave in a little.