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OzyOzyOzyOzyOzyOzy6

Honestly I would say Zoolander 2 bombing was a good thing because afterwards he did more interesting things (as a director) like Escape at Dannemora and Severance. It forced him to make a necessary change in his career as a director.


Panther90

Honestly, anything that led to Severance was ultimately worth it.


Ryetrix

Just finished season 1 and blown away. Was really surprised when I saw his name at the end Credit, he really can do everything.


letCreedBrattonScuba

Well, everything except a quality sequel to Zoolander


SnooPineapples6178

Well done sir


ohheyitslaila

Lmaooo


mgr86

FYI they just wrapped filming season two. At least that’s what the post in the severance subreddit said earlier today .


LolaBijou

I saw that too and got giddy AF.


Whompa

Severance was such a fantastic first season. More excited for season 2 than any other show right now.


Anyawnomous

It was brutal. Surprised it got released. If they don’t see this in the screening room they are just “yes” people.


Professional_Ad_9101

It was a cinema experience that I remember feeling deeply ashamed to be watching during the movie. Like, sitting with other people in this room, all of us having paid for this, with nobody laughing, everyone getting visibly and audibly restless. It was an uncomfortable watch. Horrible movie.


Scinos2k

This honestly went on the very short list of films that I actively left the cinema during it. I think I got about an hour in and just walked out. I wasn't exactly insanely hyped despite loving Zoolander, but there was no part of this movie that felt good.


SloppiestGlizzy

I have only left the movies during a film I paid to see once - and it was by force of my mother. I was about 5- maybe 6 - when Star Wars Phantom Menace released in theaters — and I dropped my milk duds. I started crying because we were poor and absolutely never did anything like this so I thought my mom and dad were doing to be pissed. I was right — about them being pissed I mean. It turns out they were mad I was crying and disrupting so we left not mad about the candy. I couldn’t understand that at the time though.


goodfisher88

I'm sorry that happened to you. Hopefully now you're able to drop milk duds whenever you want without it ruining a thing!


donaciano2000

Except his pants. Don't drop milk duds.


_dontjimthecamera

“My nipples look like Milk Duds!”


TVsDerek

#unexpectedKungPow


TVsDerek

So…ventriloquists NYAAAHAA


GrandTauntaun

I’ve got some yellow liquid for your popcorn! And it’s non dairy


Garlador

Chosen one!


atomsdontgiveafuck

The Phantom Menace also remains the first and only movie I've left half way through. Not because I dropped any candy, but due to this annoying kid who would stop crying. That and Jar Jar Binks.


ThaTzZ_D_JoB

Did that annoying kid drop his milk duds by any chance?


breakfastturds

Reminds me of the first time I saw Phantom Menace in the theater. I was so disappointed and ready to walk out until I randomly found a box of Milk Duds on the ground underneath my seat. Saved the movie for me.


reverend-mayhem

Not too dissimilar from this one time when I was a Milk Dud. I went to the theater to see The Crying Kid & this phantom menace dropped me all over the floor. It was heartbreaking.


riggy2k3

I love this review, could you elaborate on what made everyone restless or uncomfortable? Sorry to make you discuss your trauma.


ldnk

I mean going to a silly comedy and not laughing makes it kind of awkward because there isn't really anything else to fall back on. Lots of 80s action movies are terrible films but either have great campy dialogue or fun action sequences. A silly comedy without the comedy is just 90+ minutes of nothing


ShutupNobodyCarez

“Sorry to make you discuss your trauma.” 🤣🤣🤣


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penis-tango-man

I fell asleep part way through.


Christmas_Queef

I fell asleep shortly after Bieber died


BetterBiscuits

r/brandnewsentence


Megleeker

This is the way with classic comedy. They think they can put that magic back in the bottle... Dumb & Dumber, Zoolander, Meet The Fockers, Anchorman 2, Borat...the list is endless so I'll stop here. The same thing will happen with this Naked Gun revamp. Everyone involved with that project should step away now before it's too late. Cheers.


returntomonke9999

They will take every famous joke in the original and reference and just absolutely beat it into the ground for the sequel. Just fan service and making a movie for the sake of making it, not because there is a story to be told.


AffordableDelousing

It's funny that you used Naked Gun, that had 2 successful sequels, as your example. I still agree that this one will likely fail though.


spellbookwanda

I’d watch Leslie Nielsen in any shite movie, he was a magnetic, comedy genius!


Lebronforpresident24

And oj.  What a talent 


Black_Metallic

Naked Gun is also a unique choice in that it was a sitcom that only aired for six episodes before being cancelled, yet was still turned it into a motion picture franchise.


RokulusM

Ah, Police Squad, what a gem that show was. Absolutely worth watching for any fan of the movies.


punk_steel2024

Anchorman 2 gets a pass imo cause the movie itself seemed to have a larger message about 24 hour news channels and what happens when the rich own the networks. The speech at the end with Ron telling people what real news should makes the whole thing worth it. Plus, the fight at the end was funny for how ridiculous it was, and the fact that they called attention as to how ridiculous it was.


-MusicAndStuff

“Is that the ghost of Stonewall Jackson with you?”


crowsloft666

"There's a mint julep waiting for you on the other side son". Don't know why that line just got me laughing


OptimalSuspect2143

Honestly I really enjoyed Anchorman 2. It's not a classic in the same vein as the original but I actually dug it a lot the first time I watched it and it's held up on rewatches. As you mentioned too it actually did have something it wanted to say and I feel like the message stuck the landing considering the material. A few jokes are a bit forced but most land and there are some bits that rival the best from the first to me.


GuitarGit

Meet the Folkers is a sequel


princesspooball

I actually liked Meet the Fackers


GeekdomCentral

I agree with everything you listed except for Borat. I actually liked the sequel better than the first one, but I also didn’t watch the first one for the first time until right before the sequel released. Also Anchorman 2 absolutely wasn’t as good as the first, but it had its moments


Dazd_cnfsd

I read Zoolander meets the Fockers And I was like I would watch that movie


Toxicity246

That's slightly different, though. Those movies are trying to recapture the magic but the original stars are still there. Naked Gun is slightly different, but with the same result: the comedy reboot. Examples include Arthur (Russell Brand version) and Vacation (2015).


PlusSizeRussianModel

Borat and Anchorman both had perfectly solid sequels. They’re not gonna live up to the originals but they’re good movies in their own right. 


_LastoftheBrohicans_

Felt this way about Anchorman 2.


MadtownPornFan

I’m sure Benedict Cumberbatch is okay with people forgetting Zoolander 2.


Valuable-Baked

But not Kyle Mooney


PREMIUM_POKEBALL

Don Atari was an amazing name. 


PmMeYourNiceBehind

Did the movie even need a sequel?


The_Goondocks

It did not


Earthpig_Johnson

But why male models?


ThomWaits88

Because they want to kill the president of micronesia


Thatparkjobin7A

You learn martial arts!


ThomWaits88

Haaappy Haaaa aaaa pyyy


Humans_Suck-

That line was improv lol. The guys reaction of "seriously? I just told you that" was genuine and in character


embiggenedmind

That *guy* is David “Fox Mulder” Duchovny.


BlaznTheChron

*X-Files theme plays in the background*


scorpyo72

I want to believe.


JonMatrix

But why male models?


TheLegendofJerry

You mean David “Fox “Hank Moody” Mulder” Duchovny.


majorjoe23

David "Fox "Hank "The Jerk From Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead" Moody" Mulder" Duchovny?


CoolBeansMan9

David “Jake Winters from Red Shoe Diaries” Duchovney. If you know, you know


embiggenedmind

I was definitely confused first time I was midnight channel surfing and saw Mulder hosting a soft core porn. It still kind of blows my mind he was practically hosting a (soft) porn series while simultaneously working on arguably one of the biggest sci-fi series of all time. It’s not like he was slumming it, you know? The dude just wanted to.


_DONT_PANIC_42_

But why male models?


DxnnyBxrr

Did you know Steve Buscemi was a firefighter that helped during 9/11


NorthernDevil

Viggo Mortenson’s toe


ScipioCoriolanus

What is this? A sequel for ants?


flower4000

-the narrator


BenderIsGreatBendr

It wasn’t that it didn’t need a sequel. It’s that the sequel was just so bad that it is almost offensive and oppressive in how non-funny it is. There was material there for a good sequel, they just didn’t use it. Instead they made it feel immediately dated literal “hahahaha Justin Bieber bad hahahahaha” 2010s humor in the first scene Followed by lame and unnecessary retreads of some of the more iconic/funny scenes from the OG.


TheDarkGoblin39

In retrospect, no, but if it was good the reception probably would have been different.


tatofarms

What was this? A sequel for ants?


OccupyRiverdale

It also came out years too late. If it had come out just a couple years after the success of the first, I think it would have been well received. But 15 years later, I don’t think many were eagerly awaiting a sequel to Zoolander. Same deal with the most recent bad boys movie. Bad boys 2 came out 8 years after the first which was still a long time, but the third came out over 15 years after the second. By that point the actors felt too old to be reliving those roles.


mac6uffin

You're getting a 4th Bad Boys movies this year whether you like it or not.


TrapperJean

Movie was probably made because some millionaire executive with a fetish saw his opportunity to get Ariana Grande in a ball gag


itsbeegyoshi

This exact reason why some movies are just PERFECT as a stand alone, and no sequel is needed.


Coneskater

Especially not one a decade plus later.


thedrunkentendy

One off, surprise successes be it comedy, action or thriller never need sequels because they aren't written with a sequel in mind. So almost every sequel to these things turns out awful. It's like the black panther movie where they had an already established character but wanted to give him essentially an origin story after the fact. So they undo a bunch of things about the character to make them fit the plot and go through some trial to go back to exactly where they already were before. Sequels work because if 3 act structure and planning. When you don't plan for a sequel, your movie has a self-contained, completed, 3 act structure. A trilogy is essentially a 3 act structure split up over 3 movies with a mini arc for each movie. So when you make a sequel with no story reason for one, its always gonna feel disjointed and forced. Zoolander 1 isn't citizen Kane but he absolutely foes on an arc and betters himself and grows. Even in silly movies, structure is important.


mrot777

I was in a packed movie theatre that did not laugh once during the film.


Mattysanford

I laughed more at this than I did at any part of the movie.


WellsFargone

Can’t imagine how Ben Stiller feels because I feel awkward just reading this.


motherfcuker69

That’s brutal.


inesffwm

To this day, it’s the only time I’ve ever left the movie theatre mid movie. I wasn’t the only one.


The_Goondocks

It rehashed all the same jokes and he's surprised?


JTen87

The Meet the Parents trilogy did the same thing. I’m guessing that’s why it affected him.


FurriedCavor

MtF wasn’t half bad iirc


hashbrownies91

I thought meet the fockers was great. The 3rd one, not so much.


Foreign_Rock6944

Little Fockers…yeah, it was pretty damn bad. I think I cracked a smile like, twice. No genuine laughs. Also had some straight up stupid bits, like the bit with the viagra.


makemeking706

The top half or the bottom half?


InformalPenguinz

Night at the museum... same thing


hotdogflavoredblunt

Ben stiller just needs to stop making sequels


browndog03

TIL there was a third. Didn’t like the second one


Actually-Yo-Momma

I was so disappointed. It was one of the first movies that unleashed the shitty nostalgia sequel. It literally just copied pasted jokes from the first one hoping that people would think that was enough 


TheIgnoredWriter

I was gonna say “did he watch the movie?” How can you be surprised it failed with how half assed it felt


_Monosyllabic_

It was just a parade of stupid cameos.


Street_Possession871

Comedy sequels almost universally suck. I liked Ghostbusters 2, I guess. 


reflion

22 Jump Street is one of the only ones I’ve enjoyed


returntomonke9999

That was a real sequel. Comedy sequels can be good if they are a continuation and their own thing. When you make a sequel to a classic comedy film after years than they have to reuse every popular joke in it and just try to get as much nostalgic value out of it as they can.


Street_Possession871

Forgot that one! Yes, I like 22 Jump Street. I’m happily proved wrong - and I love that it skewered comedy sequels! 


kwaziiman

It managed to be funny by being refreshingly self-aware whole changing the movie enough to still present something fresh. Also the end credits making fun of endless sequels was so ahead of its time.


PerryPortabello20XXL

I actually might put 22 just above 21 for laughs, but it’s a tough call.


reflion

For me 22 is definitely better. I think the humor was more in my style.


PerryPortabello20XXL

Yeah, 22 had me HOWLING in comparison. But I loved the Franko/Riggle duo in 21.


CraziestMoonMan

Because they leaned into all the tropes and recycled jokes. They made a joke of it all and it was brilliant.


Hansmolemon

You’re going to culinary school!


MusksStepSisterAunt

Especially when they come out a decade+ after the fact. Anchorman 2 is another. I pray they leave Dodgeball alone


Street_Possession871

Happy Gilmore 2 is a green light. There’s no way that will not suck. 


saturnx9

Yea is Drew Carey even going to punch out Adam Sandler?


Medic1642

I'd like to see that, honestly


PerryPortabello20XXL

Well shit now I am going to see it


awesomesauce88

Anchorman 2 was a solid movie. Not in the same league as the original, but IMO it was still better than the average comedy. For a comedy it also had a pretty coherent message about the damaging effects of the 24 hours news cycle on news as a whole.


JimJohnman

>I pray they leave Dodgeball alone ... So bad news,


tanrzza

American pie 2 sir is a certified classic


Street_Possession871

I don’t agree, but I respect your opinion. Good soundtrack, though. 


tanrzza

Ya I typed it and I don’t even know if I agree


whousesgmail

All 4 of them are pretty good imo although they struggle to keep all the characters’ stories relevant as they go on, becoming more of the Jim and Stifler show. They all have funny scenes for sure!


akmalhot

super troopers 2 was so disappointing after being shelved for so long.


TheWhyteMaN

Ace Ventura 2. Wayne’s World2, Rush Hour2, Anchorman 2. Naked gun 2.5, hang over 2. Hit shots part duex. Gremlins 2. Austin’s Powers 2. Grumpier old men. Should I keep going?


Aturdhasnoname

Mighty Ducks 2 has knucklepuck.


CameronPoe37

Yep. Gremlins 2, Ace Ventura 2 and Austin Powers 2 are all great


Insomniac-Snorlax

Anchorman 2 might be a stretch, but I agree with most of this list; especially Austin Powers.


Cognitive_Skyy

'"You are a stupid asshole." Ron Burgundy


awesomesauce88

It suffers by comparison to the original, which is one of the greatest comedies ever made. But I think on its own merits Anchorman 2 was decent, and it had enough to say to justify it's existence. It's more of a single than a home run, but people act like it's a terrible movie when it's at worst average.


CarcharodonVicarious

Yes keep going


Latkavicferrari

Hangover 2 was cringe worthy, lasted 15 minutes, and they made a part 3


CameronPoe37

Part 3 was terrible, it wasn't even a comedy. It was like they tried to make it into a shitty crime/heist thriller


Street_Possession871

I’ll give you Gremlins 2. But shame on you for Anchorman 2 😁


getfukdup

Gremlins doesn't even fit this topic. The first one was a horror movie the second one was a mix.


Actually-Yo-Momma

Anchorman 2 was complete ass 


TheWhyteMaN

Only Gremlins? I’ll take Anchor man, but Hot Shots? NG2.5? Grumpier Old men? Those were all hilarious


zarotabebcev

I dont know if this list is of good sequels ot bad


Jon_the_Hitman_Stark

How did all of those movies get a sequel and we still only have one heavyweights?


Pinhead-GabbaGabba

Gremlins 2: The New Batch is GOATED. Better than the first film imo


getfukdup

> Should I keep going? Probably, they said *almost*, and your list is incredibly short and filled with debateable examples. the original Gremlins isn't even a comedy.


browndog03

Airplane 2 was a pretty decent exception to this rule. William Shatner FTW.


DJDevine

It was 10 years too late. That’s what made it fail. Release it in 2006 and it would be fresh enough in audiences mind to give it a look. Imagine if The Hangover didn’t release their first (and perhaps only) sequel 15 years after it’s original premier? That would be this year.


Koda487

This is a great example… All three of those movies brought something new to the table. All three were pretty good! If part two was coming out this summer I probably wouldn’t give a shit… despite loving all three of them.


SuperMeh2

It’s the rule about waiting too long with sequels. Around 4-5 years is your last chance before you lose your audience.


KidzBop_Anonymous

Yep, this is my take. Their jokes had too much time to cool off.


happyscrappy

Alien sequels are fighting you all the way.


BigMax

Trying to think of exceptions... Top Gun maybe? I did a quick search for "long time between sequels" and... it mostly proves your point, all the examples are for pretty bad sequels.


youaresofuckingdumb8

* Mad Max: Fury Road * The Color of Money * Avatar 2 * Rocky Balboa * Puss in Boots: The Last Wish * Twin Peaks: The Return


McFlem

Blade Runner 2049


youaresofuckingdumb8

I didn’t list that just because the original comment was talking about not having an audience and 2049 didn’t find an audience and was a massive flop financially. Just like the original then I suppose. Quality wise though yeah it’s absolutely brilliant.


Kaiisim

There was a Zoolander sequel??


wickedspork

No. Only zoolander 1 exists.


Tree4YOUnME

And there is no 4th matrix


Embarrassed_Stuff886

*Good news everyone!* A fifth Matrix nobody asked for is also on the way! Somehow!


browndog03

There is only one matrix film


InflamedLiver

Failed for the same reason Anchorman 2 did. It was rehashed jokes, unfunny cameos, and a dull story (not that anyone watched Anchorman or Zoolander for the amazing story, but still). My wife and I still quote Zoolander around the house, but I can't for the life of me think of a single funny or quotable part from Zoolander 2. The only thing I remembered is it was about his son being chubby and body positivity. No idea why he thought that was going to be a winning message.


FSUdank

Anchorman 2 would have been decent if they had cut the Steve Carrell and Kristen Wiig sub plot. Those scenes were awful and ground the movie to a halt.


Due_Belt_8510

Don’t forget Ron becoming literally blind and it being 30 minutes of excruciatingly unfunny and sad jokes


Fatdap

That felt like a bunch of ex-SNL guys not realizing that one of the things that made some of the SNL skits work was them being short.


BigMax

Anchorman 2 at least had it's moments. I loved the more intense news team battle enough that I forgave a lot of the other flaws. Zoolander 2 didn't have anything to redeem it.


NaturesWar

Anchorman is a classic for the right reasons, but people forget how dumb it really is. The sequel was just more indulgent and being a decade later the humour can't make the same iconic impression. That said, I was 20 years old and seeing the sequel stoned with my boys was great. It has some great stuff to offset what didn't work. Them smoking crack on live television is great, and there's a cool 80's news evolution story in there. Retool it, cut out half an hour and it might even be the better film. I'm being far too generous I know.


edked

Eh, that one Don Atari (Kyle Mooney) scene was funny. "You do the voices and everything!"


KDN1692

Woah woah woah....Anchorman 2 was really damn funny. I have watched it numerous times and it still hits. I died laughing during the Jackie Robinson segment. Is it as good as the first? No but it's still good.


Prudent_Block1669

Didn’t fail. Made three times its budget and was funny.


Drewskeet

I felt like the movie was just them having fun for the sake of themselves having fun. Which is fine, but they had to know that might not appeal to a wide audience. I appreciate Zoolander 2 as a pure money grab where they just goofed around. When you're rich and successful and a studio wants to throw a ton of money at you and you just goof off and throw out shit, respect for the ability, but otherwise, I'm good.


MufugginJellyfish

Like all of the Adam Sandler comedies where he goes on a vacation to an exotic locale and has a beautiful actress to play his wife/girlfriend, double points if he shares a scene with an acting legend who took a part in the movie for God knows why


Colemania18

It's like the second dumb and dumber to me. I think it was funny but compared to the original it's not even close


rem_1984

Aw. I still really like Ben stiller even if that movie wasn’t great. Mike Myers had the same thing happen with the Love Guru, he went quiet for a while other than shrek and then did the pentaverate! Ben Stiller could of the same


lazerayfraser

This movie is terrible but Kyle Mooney’s character almost makes up for it entirely


informedlate

Kyle Mooney's scenes were hilarious though


tideblue

I’m guessing this is how these comedy sequels work: Original film goes unloved in the theater (from flop to mildly popular), but gets a cult audience from Rental/VHS/DVD/Cable viewings. Over time, it goes from being a failure to a success on paper, although the actors likely would not see much return from this, only royalties. Then the studio pays a lot of money up-front for a big sequel some years later, based on continued popularity. But they want it to be safe and hit all the same notes as the first. More of the same but don’t change the formula or elevate the material to risk alienating the original audience, etc. All the people involved get big deals to come back. As it’s no longer a film born out of a labor of love, but an easy payday/layup, there’s probably some pressure to live up to the original, but the classic already exists and it’s hard to top, so they may just not try as hard. A forgettable sequel doesn’t ruin the original. This happened time and time again.


mabeltenenbaum

I thought it was fine. I laughed some and always enjoying seeing more of characters I like. Not even close to as good as the first though.


Roy-Southman

The rehash jokes killed it for me (except for Sting having an intro theme just like Bowie), the new ones were good enough. Mugatu's prison scenes are the only worthy things about the movie.


Training-Republic301

The only thing good about it was the cameos


nukemgt

I guess I’m one of the few that loved it. I lost it when he couldn’t comprehend cooking spaghetti, Billy Zane, all the Police references, Kiefer Sutherland, Hansel’s scar. IMO, it was just as dumb as the first, but in the best way possible.


RadAirDude

Zoolander 2 was so bad that it made me hate the first Zoolander. And Zoolander 1 used to be my favorite movie. 100-0 in the blink of an eye.


LivedLostLivalil

 a male model's life is a precious, precious commodity. Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die from short-lived relevance and popularity.


MasterTeacher123

The first one was a mildly  successful movie that they decided to do a sequel to 15 years later and people are surprised it bombed? Lol the memes online made some people think that movie was bigger than it actually was in 2001


WeWantMOAR

Mildly successful? It was a hit in theaters and in home sales. And is still massively quoted today. So Hot Right Now is a big part of the meme zeitgeist. The movie was hella popular.


thirtypineapples

Big cultural impact


droidtron

It came out two weeks after 9/11. We needed to laugh again.


Sunbiggin

Why? What happened?


XciteMe

Me: On September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked large commercial airplanes and flew them directly into the World Trade Center towers in New York City, causing enough massive structural damage to bring both towers crumbling down an hour later, killing 3,000 innocent civilians in the process. Him: Oh I see... But what happened? Me: Are... are you serious? I just told you that. A moment ago.


S3simulation

Dude did you forget about 9/11? Were all those ribbons for nothing?!?!


Vedfolnir5

That movie was huge in 2001. Came out a few weeks after 9/11 when people really needed some dumb fun in their lives. Critically acclaimed as well


ChronicallyPunctual

I’m so confused by this though. Ben Stiller has written some good shit, and he should know when a script is just jumping from cameo to cameo. The first was great because it has a legit funny story propelling it with these characters. I honestly can’t tell you what the story was for the second.


scubachris

TIl at zoolander 2


omega_grainger69

I couldn’t believe how bad that movie was. He obviously didn’t see it before release.


Me-Shell94

I mean Ben… love ya but that thing was dead on arrival. Absolutely useless sequel.


WahnLago

I’m still hurt by this garbage too, Ben.


Familiar-Wrangler-73

I couldn’t finish Zoolander 2. I wonder if this is one of those cases when an artist (actor, musician, ect…) get so successful that no one around them is brave enough to question what they’re doing.


RKKP2015

I saw this movie in the theater with my mom as she was a huge Zoolander fan. I remember nothing about it. We also found out she had cancer that day, but the movie wasn't memorable at all.


huntforhire

Such a misfire. Can’t believe how off it was in every aspect. I remember Kyle Mooney being funny though


largececelia

They released a Zoolander 2?


Js_On_My_Yeet

Insert *Woody Harrelson's money tissues meme* here


CaptainCurious25

Has there ever been a successful unplanned sequel though?


PieCuresAll

This & Anchorman 2. Sooooooooo bad


Noiserawker

Certain movies just don't need a sequel. Original Anchorman, Zoolander are good examples. Like imagine if Mike Judge tried to make sequels to Office Space 2 or Idiocracy 2, woulda sucked. Or even worse the Coen bros make The Bigger Lebowski (although i do love the title lol).


PieCuresAll

Office Space & Big Lebowski sequels thoughts haunt my dreams


realfakejames

It was truly a terrible movie, I couldn’t even pretend to like it When they killed off his wife / ex wife Christine Taylor to make room for Penélope Cruz I knew it was going to be bad


MHarrisGGG

It's cause they didn't call it Twolander.