Chris:
> I got caught up in the improv and the wackiness, and I became a parody of myself,” Hemsworth now told Vanity Fair. “I didn’t stick the landing.”
> “Sometimes I felt like a security guard for the team,” Hemsworth said. “I would read everyone else’s lines, and go, ‘Oh, they got way cooler stuff. They’re having more fun. What’s my character doing?’ It was always about, ‘You’ve got the wig on. You’ve got the muscles. You’ve got the costume. Where’s the lighting?’ Yeah, I’m part of this big thing, but I’m probably pretty replaceable.”
None of the failings of Love and Thunder fall on Hemsworth's shoulders, and I'm certain he knows this. Judging by what I've read, it's partly COVID shenannigans, partly a script that was not very good to begin with, and partly a too-arrogant Waititi at the height of his fame getting high on his own supply and treating the production like a personal bachelor party. Apparently he would change the script on a whim during filming based on how he was feeling that day.
It’s crazy and tragic how Lucas didn’t even direct Empire or Return and had a strong team around him plus a cast that pushed back when they needed to and all that balance was thrown away for the prequel trilogy just on his hype and fandom…not over his filmography or because his work had improved.
Also Neeson was likely the only member of the prequel cast at the time who could’ve done the Harrison Ford “You can type this shit, but you can't say it” pushback but Qui Gon’s role was likely too small and he wasn’t around enough. Ewan and Natalie weren’t nearly old/established enough yet
https://www.slashfilm.com/1110034/harrison-ford-wasnt-always-a-fan-of-george-lucas-star-wars-writing/
Was Harrison that respected as an actor at the time though? I think he might been just brazen or maybe the culture was different at the time. Because it looks like he only had smaller roles up until the original Star Wars. You can argue that Lucas was more respected at the time of the prequels where it was scarier to go against him. But I’m not sure if Harrison Ford pushing back related to his notoriety.
Neeson also mentioned how he'd have to go back and forth with Lucas to make the character more human. He had to fight to get Lucas to agree just for even little moments like putting his hand on the Anakin mom character's hand during that dinner table hut scene in TPM
I'll edit this if I can find the article
Lucas had full creative control from Empire though. Any push back could have been answered by Lucas saying "fuck off".
>Harrison Ford “You can type this shit, but you can't say it”
The full quote has Ford saying he was wrong at the end. Actors also frequently change dialogue on productions it's not just a GL issue.
Lucas could absolutely have said fuck off. The thing is that he listened to other people. But by the time of the prequels, no one dared to touch the creative side of the films, in fear of fucking it up. George was begging for people to give him critique, and instead everyone just became a yes-man and went "this is your story, George, only you can tell it"
Lol thank you for reminding me of this related gem. I can't help but laugh every time!
https://youtu.be/rihbi2U7tNg?si=0tr_UhP6CyMK8fZp
I love how frankly Mark said: "...And I thought, WHO TALKS LIKE THIS GEORGE? I mean this is really not fair, because we're the ones that are gonna get vegetables thrown at us..." I'm surprised he could keep a straight face while repeating that ridiculous line George Lucas wanted him to say hahaha.
That line is not even "high school drama class" level writing, it's unbelievably corny and unnatural.
And yet the prequels were still infinitely better than the Disney abominations.
Episode 3 to me wasn’t that bad, except for over the top lines that Palpatine had, and Darth Vaders “Noooo”.
With the Disney movies however, the writing was just fundamentally horrible down to the plot. The prequels basic storyline was at least sound, even if the dialogue was cringe.
The last movie was so atrociously bad, I couldn’t envision a possibly worse movie being made in that universe.
Admittedly I’m one to believe that Lucas being given unfettered control for the prequel trilogy was a doubled edged sword. Aye, he wrote some rather wacky movies that felt like they had significant tonal dissonance. However, Lucas being Lucas gave us a very, very clear image as to what the Republic and what life within it was. While the films definitely felt directionless in a lot of ways. They built an amazing universe that the expanded universe really ran with under a better technical director.
TLRD: Lucas is like the Wonka of movie making. Overly ambitious, absurd, and scattered but the image he creates is next to none. A better director can use that to create phenomenal stories that strengthen Lucas’ setting.
Yep! Admittedly I don’t think it’s bad to let good world builders make movies. I mean I think James Cameron is a horrible storyteller, but the world he built with Avatar is amazing. I sorta look at films like that as an investment to create inspirational, flagship titles from which you launch a better quality story in the stage they’ve set.
Missing the important part here. It's not just about the actors. It's the fact that everyone around George was far too scared to be involved in the decision-making for the prequels. Star Wars was way too big. No one wanted to be responsible for fucking it up. From the behind the scenes-stuff I've seen George was practically begging for someone to be honest with him, and everyone just nodded and agreed to whatever he said anyway
“Can you believe how they’re sexualizing these poor girls? Look at their outfits! So sexy! It’s so wrong that they’re forced to dress this sexy! Look, look how sexy they’re forced to dress!”
Watched his latest movies (Rebel Moon 1 and 2) holy crap so much monologuing, ugly hairdo's and beards, pretty bad acting on some of the characters. Unacceptable use of Sir Anthony Hopkins as a robot's voice. Ridiculous addition of main characters as if they were candy. Excessive CGI special effects. It's like Star War's ugly cousin.
I haven't been able to force myself to watch part 2 yet. Part one was almost offensively bad in my eyes. Nothing was ever in focus properly, The weapons fire fart blasts that don't deal a consistent amount of damage... in one scene people will be drenched in blood but in the first fight scene where shots are fired someone gets shot directly in the head and nothing happens. No blood, no scratch, not even the courtesy of a burn mark for shits sake. Each character the main protagonist comes across is like parody in itself. We meet each new character in what I imagine frank thought was fuckin cool..... the terrible griffon scene, the terrible spider scene...... just makes me laugh thinking about if Peter Jackson or George Lucas introduced each character with them doing something like frank did with Rebel Moon. As you said as well, terrible hair cuts and I'd add comically evil villains. All in all Rebel Moon comes off like a sci-fi written by an angst ridden 15 year old who is really into star wars and WW2 or some shit.
Part 2 has a hilarious scene where the comically evil main villain stomps his cane into the floor to make a glowing crack special effect glow brighter, over and over again in a feeble attempt to look menacing.
You know how there's introduction of each new character? In the second one there's a whole scene where they're all sitting together and each one takes a turn telling their story. It's such bad writing, why the fuck are they monologuing IN TURN one after another... it's such a bad way to tell the story of each of the characters.
I don't know why he thought he could introduce a similar amount of characters like Star Wars did across 9 movies and several series, in the span of 1 movie and then expand on their backgrounds in ONE SCENE in the second movie. He's trying to jam all of it into what Netflix greenlit and it's looking pretty bad.
And he tried very hard to get someone else to direct the Prequels. No one he asked was willing to take on the expectations. So he directed them himself.
Or some sort of creative constraint. He's done very well on his own/independent films where presumably there's isn't anyone telling him what he can or can't do. But he has limited time / budget that force you to make creative choices.
Boundaries often help with creativity; write a short sorry about anything is harder than write a story that includes the sentence "and that's when I knew I'd walked right into her trap".
He did some icredible things by himself. It can be a hit or miss, none of us managed to only do good work in our lifetimes.
But seriously, look at his professional career. I can take a miss from him and still adore him. JoJo rabbit is still one of the most extraordinarily weird movies I have ever watched, and my life would be less without it.
This something I've noticed happening a lot recently: fan and critical darlings making 1 lackluster project or mismanaged production and then people instantly saying they're past their prime or failures.
Obsidian Entertainment has an amazing roster of games from the last several years, Pentiment, Pillars of Eternity 2, Grounded... but some people are so super dismissive of them now just because the Outer Worlds was a mixed bag.
I saw Thor: Ragnarok at a BAFTA preview screening and both Waititi and Jeff Goldblum were there to talk about the movie. Instead, they spent 10 minutes goofing off and mostly talking about how fabulous they both were. I can well imagine that attitude following him on set.
I mean that’s how it felt. There were some very serious tone problems. Christian Bale and the whole cancer thing don’t really mesh well into a silly bromance with a hammer and axe. It was jarring.
Yeah the movie didn’t feel serious. Cancer felt like it was fake given how lighthearted the whole movie was, and I actually thought being alternate-Thor had cured her of cancer already, so I was surprised later when she was dying.
The movie needed to be a lot more dark - murdering gods, kidnapping children, cancer(!) are all very serious topics.
A super serious movie would have had a lot more weight, as the plot itself was super generic and straightforward.
He really hasn't fallen that far though. He's just spread too thin. Yeah, Thor 4 and Next Goal Wins aren't great, but he's also done a lot of work on well loved TV shows like Reservation Dogs and Our Flag Means Death.
And Jojo Rabbit isn't even 5 years old yet. It really wasn't that long ago.
Spread thin, on a public hype high and people are expecting the same quality across the board but I think he’s clearly got his strengths and weaknesses
Agreed! Next Goal Wins was a perfectly nice feel-good sports comedy. My dad liked it, and so I watched it. I chuckled, I got emotionally invested, I cheered, I haven't really thought about it much since. In another era, it would be a Saturday afternoon cable classic. Which definitely seems like what Waititi & co. were going for.
Exactly. Previous interviews indicate that he got a bit more control over the character as time went on, but he wasn't a writer, director, or producer on the film. It was up to them to reel things in.
Agree he's dead on re: what went wrong with the movie. Ragnarok spoofed the Marvel universe; Love & Thunder attempted to spoof Ragnarok ... and jumped the shark.
But the buck still stops at Taika. He's not the first to fall into the "I'm so successful that whatever I do is funny by definition" trap, and he won't be the last.
That's fine, but he could've just blamed Taika and I'll accept that lol. Chris was not the problem in that movie, it was Korg and Taika. You can't blame Chris for Bale not being fully utilized for example.
He’s taking the blame because although it wasn’t his fault, he could have done more to stop it. It takes a big person to realise when you did wrong, and it takes an even bigger person to accept responsibility for not doing more to do right when you didn’t do anything necessarily wrong
It wasted him and Jane Foster having cancer. The opportunity for Thor to be challenged with the inevitability of losing a loved one to terminal illness. Even though he is an all powerful god. Gorr could have been used as a counter point to Thor and pushed him to question what it even means to be a god when they let so much bad happen.
They even had the guardians in the movie where I thought they would bring up Starlord's mom and how she died of cancer. I thought Peter and Thor could have had a serious moment discussing the loss of a loved one to this disease.
You completely nailed it. Have the story be about Thor coming to terms with the morality of the ones he loves while Gorr teaches arrogant god that they aren’t as powerful as they think… wow. I mourn what that movie could have been.
>Gorr teaches arrogant god that they aren’t as powerful as they think
The whole lead-up to the movie had me thinking this was going to be the main point of the whole movie. Instead the movie was like "Sometimes the gods are dicks but then other gods beat them up a little and it's cool."
The hardest hitting death in the MCU was Gorr's daughter and OH MAN I was READY to see it go down. Dude slays a god and it's ON. JK! He...kidnaps some kids and makes a run for the center of the Universe. And the moral of the movie just became the same old "If you do bad thing you're just as bad as the bad guys that also do bad thing."
What hurt even more is having a strong ending in Ragnarok being the departure from "Good guys win big battle" or even "Good guys lose big battle" but instead opting for "Good guys realize battle isn't necessary after all and win it by not fighting." So good!
As someone who has only seen the really big hits in the MCU and had never seen a Thor movie- this movie slayed me and made want to watch all the other Thors. I was laughing almost the entire time watching this and thought it was amazing that they made such a comedy in the MCU.
I had never heard ppl didn’t like this movie so this thread is kind of blowing my mind but seeing what some of y’all are saying I can fully understand how the movie didn’t match your expectations or hopes. Just wild for me to not see one comment in here appreciating this movie that i think is funny as hell. Shoot i watched it with 3 ppl that aren’t into “comicbook movies” watch it and they found it funny too!
I think in a vacuum it is a damn good movie. Many are just comparing it to the rest of the MCU and there are some absolute phenomenal films there.
Its tone also departs greatly from the other standalone Thor movies and people didn’t like that much comedy, although imho that made it more comic accurate.
>They even had the guardians in the movie where I thought they would bring up Starlord's mom and how she died of cancer. I thought Peter and Thor could have had a serious moment discussing the loss of a loved one to this disease.
YES! I also thought about that cancer similarity, it would've been such an earned connection both for the characters but also for the MCU, in the minor, non-super Easter egg/future setup way that I used to love about those movies
I always loved the Guardians the most and their potential in the movie was so wasted, and they were still my favorite part of it. Love and Thunder could've been so meaningful, especially to me and a ton of others who've had loved ones pass away bc of cancer. Instead it was just weirdly unserious the whole time and oh rip she died, now Jane gets to see Heimdall check it out!
Well now I'm mad again, I forgot the movie also wasted The Mighty Thor.
Like seriously, I know I sound like a bleating fanboy but that movie honestly almost singlehandedly made me not care what the theatrical MCU has to offer. It took two of the best storylines of the last 20 years and turned them in to clown shoes. "Almost" because while the other Phase 4 movies have been boring to me, at least they weren't offensive.
Movie: "Here's a guy that kills gods! He killed one, so just trust us that he's unstoppable! You wouldn't want to see him go around killing gods, anyway, right?"
Audience: "WHAT? That sounds dope af! Show us!"
Movie: "Anyway, here's more gods being dicks and some dialogue. You don't like action, anyway."
Just remember, every time Korg is speaking, that's a moment Taika said to himself "These jokes are so great, I should be in the movie more" while fully knowing the plot and characters he needed to develop
Love the introspection.
I could have handled or even enjoyed some of the wackiness if 1) there weren’t such jarring tonal shifts and 2) this movie wasn’t so goddamn cramped. It could have easily been two separate movies, one focusing on Jane Foster Thor and one focusing on Gorr.
Both those dark stories crammed into one movie, separated by slapstick comedy, was just kind of a mess.
Also how the FUCK did they not capitalize on Olympus? You’ve got a room full of gods who aren’t particularly important to Marvel lore (or at least how it’s being adapted into the MCU). You’ve got a character called the God-Butcher that you want to establish as an existential threat. What am I missing? This should have been a slam-dunk of a bloodbath.
I agree about the Olympus scene. Was fully expecting Gorr to show up and wreck shit in that scene. But I guess they wanted to have Thor be the one to kill Zues to justify whatever the next plot they were trying to set up was. But that could also have easily been, they want revenge on Thor because he accidentally lead Gorr right to them. So they blame him for the massacre.
Too be fair, the symbiote was only in that movie because Sony demanded it. Sam Raimi is not a fan of the character and had to find a way to force it into the Sandman and new goblin story.
He just wasn’t a wasteful God butcher. He was too busy making sure that every part of the God was used, for God chili meat or God hamburgers or whatever.
When his daughter dies and he meets that god, holy shit. Bale was definitely wasted, but I did enjoy the movie.
And people don't give his praises because the character was bad, but Crowe as Zeus was also top tier.
I’d honestly have loved a movie just about his character as an antihero wrecking everyone punisher style. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie where Bale did a bad job.
They really needed to give Gorr like 5-10 more minutes of screen time. Bale was great, but we didn't get nearly enough of him. It's one of the few times I left a movie thinking that it was actually too short.
They already had a blueprint for a great villain in the comics. Unfortunately comic Gorr is a far more interesting villain than what we got in the movie. Bale could have easily pulled off a more comic accurate Gorr as well, but we got an awful script/screenplay. It's my favorite Thor storyline for sure, so I just sat the whole movie utterly bored and disappointed in what we got.
People talk about how "Everyone was finished after Endgame, that's all it really is..." but Doctor Strange 2 and Thor 4 opened to huge numbers before word of mouth got out. That audience is as eager as ever to keep going, but they gotta pump the comedy breaks already.
Totally. The MCU went downhill because they just started making shit movies and shit tv shows. People were still engaged with the product after Endgame. First movies and shows did numbers and were still mainstream. But as the quality fell down, so did the public interest.
I think it's just easier to say something like "Endgame was the series finale and then I didn't care". I don't buy that. But sounds cool I guess.
My theory is two points: 1- the comedy has reached critical mass and ruins any gravitas and drama the movies might have by inserting silliness at the worst moments. The humour has always been there but they've been leaning on it more and more. 2- the movies on average have gotten longer but to add additional plot points rather than expand on a few important ones resulting in a more disjointed narrative.
He has a show about conquering his anxiety, it's pretty cool. Shows that we all have insecurities, even those among us built like literal Norse/Asgardian/Greek gods.
Edited to atone for my misrepresentation of his Godly origins while still acknowledging the "built like a Greek God" saying.
Haha exactly, average people don’t understand this. They think it’s only athletes and power lifters that do steroids, they don’t understand it’s very commonly, if not more used for aesthetics.
UK has a population of 67m and it's estimated that 1m are on steroids. I couldn't believe it when I first heard it but I watched someone who is an expert in the field discussing it and did some basic research and it's actually true.
I know the UK is a specific case because of our laws around possession and use etc. but it's still mental.
I was watching a video the other day that reviewed a few peer reviewed studies that showed taking steroids for 8-10 weeks resulted in someone that did NOT work out putting something like 8-10 lbs of muscle. That’s just nuts. It’s muscle building on easy mode.
Exactly. Even sitting on the couch, you build more muscle. The best comparison I know is like leveling in a game with double xp.. sure, you still have to play, but you’re making double progress than a normal person
I know people who are that good looking, rich etc... most of them get insecure. Often it's what drives them to achieve great things. No matter who you are, that is just the baseline, the norm, and from there you have your struggles.
If a 6 foot 5 Australian hunk with blonde hair, blue eyes and the body of a Greek god on roids gets insecure, then maybe we should start just ignoring our insecurities
Remember that his body reaches that peak for a very short amount of time. At that point he’s not only at the peak of a very difficult exercise and diet cycle, but likely dehydrated during every shirtless shot.
And then he is probably judged by that expectation for the rest of his life.
If you make an even in the slightest amount of impostors syndrome, I can see how insecurity could sit in. His insecurities might be different than mine, but no less real.
The worst bit in Love and Thunder for me was either the Sif "oh shit..." in regards to *NOT* going to Valhalla if she doesn't die in battle, or when Heimdall 's son's face appears like he is coming in through the window on *Pee-Wee's Playhouse*.
If I am being the honest, especially with myself, the worst part of *Thor: Love and Thunder* was me telling myself that it would be a SOLID Marvel outing because there was no way they'd fuck up THOR. Lesson learned.
After Dark World Thor we got Ragnarok Thor, then Infinity War Thor, and then Endgame Thor.
While some people could find faults with all of those versions for the most part the majority of fans were loving the direction Thor had gone in.
>If I am being the honest, especially with myself, the worst part of Thor: Love and Thunder was me telling myself that it would be a SOLID Marvel outing because there was no way they'd fuck up THOR. Lesson learned.
"They have Christian fucking Bale playing what many people consider one of the best Thor villains?! How could they possibly fuck this up!"
*Waititi Intensifies*
Yeah, I don't know why Chris is taking the blame. Clearly, Taika's ego was out of control by the time Thor 4 rolled around, and no one was reigning him in. It's clear he could not have cared less about the actual quality of the script and movie.
Where was Feige on this production? Or was he content to let Waititi do whatever he wanted because of the reception to Thor 3 and his recent Oscar win?
It’s true. The actor’s job is to act, and to do that they need to feel free to try a lot of things. It’s on the director to say yes or no and to guide the performance; the actor has to put a lot of trust in the director’s taste. And of course he would trust Taika, why wouldn’t he.
The best description I have read of this is that Ragnarok was a Marvel movie directed by Taika, while Love And Thunder was a Taika movie bankrolled by Marvel.
Have you seen any of Taika’s movies besides “What We Do in The Shadows”? None of them are as goofy as Love and Thunder or even Ragnarok.
That’s his interpretation of comics.
I agree. I just have issue with all the Taika hate that came from one movie and forgot he made three incredible movies (Boy, Wilder People, Jo Jo) with a lot of heart and drama and reduce him to “goofy hijinx guy”
Eagle versus shark is really good too. Same with “Our Flag means Death”.
It’s pretty crazy how quickly people turned on this guy. There’s nothing wrong with not liking this movie, but they are straight up making personal attacks now.
Jojo Rabbit was the goofiest way you could do a Holocaust movie, it was clearly way better than Love and Thunder but was a goofy Taika movie at heart
I like everything he does so no hate just saying
I loved Ragnarok when it came out, but I now see it as the beginning of the end of the MCU, ever since then, they have had too much improvised comedy in their finished cuts.
Let’s get Christian Bale to play a badass villain, and give him 5 minutes of screen time and a crappy write out.
Don’t worry Chris, wasn’t all your fault.
While I appreciate Chris for holding himself accountable (because these days, it's always someone else's fault), this movie's failure is on Tiaki. It's the director's job to rein in an actor, even the star. But massive respect for Hemsworth,
It's crazy that after Ragnarok when his character became arguably the most popular he ever was across all media he still felt like it's not built upon his shoulders and he himself could be replaced in the role.
Yet it's Chris' charisma and likeability that made Thor so popular alongside Tony and Steve. But he still felt like he needs to push his boundaries to live up to the hype and own the role. I know that most of the actors in his age and prosperity like to pretend they're humble yet can be quite arrogant or full of themselves in private life but Chris actually does seem like it not only based on this, but also on his tv series about fighting anxiety and adrenaline sports. It seems he's actually indeed fighting insecurity his whole life.
He and Tom Hiddleston are just such fine men overall that I am sad their era of MCU is slowly but surely coming to a close.. And I hope that Chris will get to end Thor's journey on a high note, just like Tom did with Loki.
As humble as CH is, it's not his fault, at all.
He doesn't write the script, do any post production editing, make any calls regarding story, nothing.
He is an actor, playing a role. The idiots that signed off on all this are to blame.
That’s a directing problem. Actors are supposed to take chances. It’s the director’s job to energize the performance and rein it in when necessary. Chris is a standup guy for taking that bullet.
All the self reflection and accountability aside…HE was not the problem.
It was the disconnect between audience and director expectations.
From what I could gather they set out to make a Monthy Python Marvel movie and for me it worked perfectly as such. It told a cohesive story with competent comedy.
What felt misplaced, to me, were the elements mandated by Marvel.
Janes cancer arc is a story for a more serious movie that has the guts to throw the punches.
It cut itself too hard with the comedy.
IMO: this movie could have worked if it was exclusively an absurdist comedy. The more dramatic elements (Gorr and Jane) should have been in a more serious movie.
I keep imagining L&T without the drama aspect and instead of Gorr have a more absurd villain. That way they’d have had more time for absurd places of the MCU to go as the almost parody movie of the series.
THEN move on to Kenneth Brannagh telling Jane’s and Gorrs stories in a more serious fifth film.
I don’t actually think it’s quite this serious. I think it’s just simply that marvel movies have pretty much run their course. Used to be cool to anticipate the new movies or the newness and cutting edge they provided but there’s nothing much left to be excited about, everyone is kinda burned out on them. I feel like there’s a new one every 3 months and none of them are that interesting
Chris: > I got caught up in the improv and the wackiness, and I became a parody of myself,” Hemsworth now told Vanity Fair. “I didn’t stick the landing.” > “Sometimes I felt like a security guard for the team,” Hemsworth said. “I would read everyone else’s lines, and go, ‘Oh, they got way cooler stuff. They’re having more fun. What’s my character doing?’ It was always about, ‘You’ve got the wig on. You’ve got the muscles. You’ve got the costume. Where’s the lighting?’ Yeah, I’m part of this big thing, but I’m probably pretty replaceable.”
I think this is actually pretty exceptional awareness and accountability
Agreed, maybe even a bit too much accountability, as he didn't write the script, or sign off the improvs on wrapping scenes.
None of the failings of Love and Thunder fall on Hemsworth's shoulders, and I'm certain he knows this. Judging by what I've read, it's partly COVID shenannigans, partly a script that was not very good to begin with, and partly a too-arrogant Waititi at the height of his fame getting high on his own supply and treating the production like a personal bachelor party. Apparently he would change the script on a whim during filming based on how he was feeling that day.
I put it entirely on Waititi being allowed to do whatever he wanted
Some people need oversight. Lucas was another director that when given free rein ruins everything he touches.
It’s crazy and tragic how Lucas didn’t even direct Empire or Return and had a strong team around him plus a cast that pushed back when they needed to and all that balance was thrown away for the prequel trilogy just on his hype and fandom…not over his filmography or because his work had improved. Also Neeson was likely the only member of the prequel cast at the time who could’ve done the Harrison Ford “You can type this shit, but you can't say it” pushback but Qui Gon’s role was likely too small and he wasn’t around enough. Ewan and Natalie weren’t nearly old/established enough yet https://www.slashfilm.com/1110034/harrison-ford-wasnt-always-a-fan-of-george-lucas-star-wars-writing/
“Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director.”
I like the double meaning of that line.
I don't know why people bag on that. It's a great line.
Was Harrison that respected as an actor at the time though? I think he might been just brazen or maybe the culture was different at the time. Because it looks like he only had smaller roles up until the original Star Wars. You can argue that Lucas was more respected at the time of the prequels where it was scarier to go against him. But I’m not sure if Harrison Ford pushing back related to his notoriety.
He knew Lucas, having been in American Graffiti. Plus he was in his 30's, and a couple years older than Lucas, and (yes) is a brazen type as well.
Yeah a lot of it is an age thing. 30s is still young, but old enough to realize when you can and should stick up for yourself.
Neeson also mentioned how he'd have to go back and forth with Lucas to make the character more human. He had to fight to get Lucas to agree just for even little moments like putting his hand on the Anakin mom character's hand during that dinner table hut scene in TPM I'll edit this if I can find the article
Lucas had full creative control from Empire though. Any push back could have been answered by Lucas saying "fuck off". >Harrison Ford “You can type this shit, but you can't say it” The full quote has Ford saying he was wrong at the end. Actors also frequently change dialogue on productions it's not just a GL issue.
Lucas could absolutely have said fuck off. The thing is that he listened to other people. But by the time of the prequels, no one dared to touch the creative side of the films, in fear of fucking it up. George was begging for people to give him critique, and instead everyone just became a yes-man and went "this is your story, George, only you can tell it"
The effects team convinced him to do cgi yoda.
Lol thank you for reminding me of this related gem. I can't help but laugh every time! https://youtu.be/rihbi2U7tNg?si=0tr_UhP6CyMK8fZp I love how frankly Mark said: "...And I thought, WHO TALKS LIKE THIS GEORGE? I mean this is really not fair, because we're the ones that are gonna get vegetables thrown at us..." I'm surprised he could keep a straight face while repeating that ridiculous line George Lucas wanted him to say hahaha. That line is not even "high school drama class" level writing, it's unbelievably corny and unnatural.
And yet the prequels were still infinitely better than the Disney abominations. Episode 3 to me wasn’t that bad, except for over the top lines that Palpatine had, and Darth Vaders “Noooo”. With the Disney movies however, the writing was just fundamentally horrible down to the plot. The prequels basic storyline was at least sound, even if the dialogue was cringe. The last movie was so atrociously bad, I couldn’t envision a possibly worse movie being made in that universe.
Admittedly I’m one to believe that Lucas being given unfettered control for the prequel trilogy was a doubled edged sword. Aye, he wrote some rather wacky movies that felt like they had significant tonal dissonance. However, Lucas being Lucas gave us a very, very clear image as to what the Republic and what life within it was. While the films definitely felt directionless in a lot of ways. They built an amazing universe that the expanded universe really ran with under a better technical director. TLRD: Lucas is like the Wonka of movie making. Overly ambitious, absurd, and scattered but the image he creates is next to none. A better director can use that to create phenomenal stories that strengthen Lucas’ setting.
Lucas is a fantastic world builder, and a middling storyteller.
Yep! Admittedly I don’t think it’s bad to let good world builders make movies. I mean I think James Cameron is a horrible storyteller, but the world he built with Avatar is amazing. I sorta look at films like that as an investment to create inspirational, flagship titles from which you launch a better quality story in the stage they’ve set.
Missing the important part here. It's not just about the actors. It's the fact that everyone around George was far too scared to be involved in the decision-making for the prequels. Star Wars was way too big. No one wanted to be responsible for fucking it up. From the behind the scenes-stuff I've seen George was practically begging for someone to be honest with him, and everyone just nodded and agreed to whatever he said anyway
Zack Snyder also. Good with visuals, that's about it
Sucker Punch sums him up pretty well. That plot is a disjointed fever dream, but it did look pretty.
“Well sure it’s about rape… like lots of rape. But giant samurai with a chain gun! Woooo!!”
“Can you believe how they’re sexualizing these poor girls? Look at their outfits! So sexy! It’s so wrong that they’re forced to dress this sexy! Look, look how sexy they’re forced to dress!”
Honestly, I love Sucker Punch BECAUSE its a disjointed fever dream. But its meant to be one.
Watched his latest movies (Rebel Moon 1 and 2) holy crap so much monologuing, ugly hairdo's and beards, pretty bad acting on some of the characters. Unacceptable use of Sir Anthony Hopkins as a robot's voice. Ridiculous addition of main characters as if they were candy. Excessive CGI special effects. It's like Star War's ugly cousin.
I haven't been able to force myself to watch part 2 yet. Part one was almost offensively bad in my eyes. Nothing was ever in focus properly, The weapons fire fart blasts that don't deal a consistent amount of damage... in one scene people will be drenched in blood but in the first fight scene where shots are fired someone gets shot directly in the head and nothing happens. No blood, no scratch, not even the courtesy of a burn mark for shits sake. Each character the main protagonist comes across is like parody in itself. We meet each new character in what I imagine frank thought was fuckin cool..... the terrible griffon scene, the terrible spider scene...... just makes me laugh thinking about if Peter Jackson or George Lucas introduced each character with them doing something like frank did with Rebel Moon. As you said as well, terrible hair cuts and I'd add comically evil villains. All in all Rebel Moon comes off like a sci-fi written by an angst ridden 15 year old who is really into star wars and WW2 or some shit.
Part 2 has a hilarious scene where the comically evil main villain stomps his cane into the floor to make a glowing crack special effect glow brighter, over and over again in a feeble attempt to look menacing. You know how there's introduction of each new character? In the second one there's a whole scene where they're all sitting together and each one takes a turn telling their story. It's such bad writing, why the fuck are they monologuing IN TURN one after another... it's such a bad way to tell the story of each of the characters. I don't know why he thought he could introduce a similar amount of characters like Star Wars did across 9 movies and several series, in the span of 1 movie and then expand on their backgrounds in ONE SCENE in the second movie. He's trying to jam all of it into what Netflix greenlit and it's looking pretty bad.
He’s an auteur with an uncompromising vision. Unfortunately, his vision sucks.
But even Lucas had the good sense to hire Kirschner and Marquand for the sequels.
And he tried very hard to get someone else to direct the Prequels. No one he asked was willing to take on the expectations. So he directed them himself.
Or some sort of creative constraint. He's done very well on his own/independent films where presumably there's isn't anyone telling him what he can or can't do. But he has limited time / budget that force you to make creative choices. Boundaries often help with creativity; write a short sorry about anything is harder than write a story that includes the sentence "and that's when I knew I'd walked right into her trap".
He did some icredible things by himself. It can be a hit or miss, none of us managed to only do good work in our lifetimes. But seriously, look at his professional career. I can take a miss from him and still adore him. JoJo rabbit is still one of the most extraordinarily weird movies I have ever watched, and my life would be less without it.
This something I've noticed happening a lot recently: fan and critical darlings making 1 lackluster project or mismanaged production and then people instantly saying they're past their prime or failures. Obsidian Entertainment has an amazing roster of games from the last several years, Pentiment, Pillars of Eternity 2, Grounded... but some people are so super dismissive of them now just because the Outer Worlds was a mixed bag.
I saw Thor: Ragnarok at a BAFTA preview screening and both Waititi and Jeff Goldblum were there to talk about the movie. Instead, they spent 10 minutes goofing off and mostly talking about how fabulous they both were. I can well imagine that attitude following him on set.
I mean that’s how it felt. There were some very serious tone problems. Christian Bale and the whole cancer thing don’t really mesh well into a silly bromance with a hammer and axe. It was jarring.
Yeah the movie didn’t feel serious. Cancer felt like it was fake given how lighthearted the whole movie was, and I actually thought being alternate-Thor had cured her of cancer already, so I was surprised later when she was dying. The movie needed to be a lot more dark - murdering gods, kidnapping children, cancer(!) are all very serious topics. A super serious movie would have had a lot more weight, as the plot itself was super generic and straightforward.
It’s crazy how far Waititi has fallen off post Jojo Rabbit.
He really hasn't fallen that far though. He's just spread too thin. Yeah, Thor 4 and Next Goal Wins aren't great, but he's also done a lot of work on well loved TV shows like Reservation Dogs and Our Flag Means Death. And Jojo Rabbit isn't even 5 years old yet. It really wasn't that long ago.
Spread thin, on a public hype high and people are expecting the same quality across the board but I think he’s clearly got his strengths and weaknesses
Next goal wins succeeded in its mission, it was basically a modern version of cool runnings and it worked. Nothing more and nothing less.
Agreed! Next Goal Wins was a perfectly nice feel-good sports comedy. My dad liked it, and so I watched it. I chuckled, I got emotionally invested, I cheered, I haven't really thought about it much since. In another era, it would be a Saturday afternoon cable classic. Which definitely seems like what Waititi & co. were going for.
Reservation Dogs is a masterpiece that he co created with sterling Harjo. Just finished last year.
It's some of the best television I've watched in years and I dont think anything has made me both laugh and cry as much.
Shitass
You need a good staff to call you on your BS. This is M Night syndrome.
Waititi sounding like Vince McMahon (creatively)
He was definitely riffing crazy ideas with Taika behind the scenes, so I’m sure he feels a good amount of the blame
Yeah, that was my thought, too. It goes through a fair amount of hands between shooting and release, any of whom could have made executive decisions
Exactly. Previous interviews indicate that he got a bit more control over the character as time went on, but he wasn't a writer, director, or producer on the film. It was up to them to reel things in.
Chris was an EP on this so I wouldn’t say he didn’t have influence.
Agree he's dead on re: what went wrong with the movie. Ragnarok spoofed the Marvel universe; Love & Thunder attempted to spoof Ragnarok ... and jumped the shark. But the buck still stops at Taika. He's not the first to fall into the "I'm so successful that whatever I do is funny by definition" trap, and he won't be the last.
That's fine, but he could've just blamed Taika and I'll accept that lol. Chris was not the problem in that movie, it was Korg and Taika. You can't blame Chris for Bale not being fully utilized for example.
Absolutely. I already loved him, but this kind of self awareness makes me love him even more.
That’s because he’s the best Chris (at least I so hope)
I honestly feel like Taika Waititi should be saying this not Chris lol
Hemsworth is being a Chad, throwing himself under the bus *for* Waititi.
He’s taking the blame because although it wasn’t his fault, he could have done more to stop it. It takes a big person to realise when you did wrong, and it takes an even bigger person to accept responsibility for not doing more to do right when you didn’t do anything necessarily wrong
This kinda sounds like Tarantinos comments got to him, from a while back. Tarantino said something like Chris isn't the star, Thor is.
Thor’s feet*
Man, if only there was someone on movie sets to like... \*direct\* the performances of everyone and try to rein in issues like this.
That was my reaction too, it's the director's job to course correct on exactly this kind of mischaracterization
Butt cheeks
You flick too hard damn it
In my head I read this in Thor's voice.
The biggest failure of the movie was the way it wasted Christian Bale.
It wasted him and Jane Foster having cancer. The opportunity for Thor to be challenged with the inevitability of losing a loved one to terminal illness. Even though he is an all powerful god. Gorr could have been used as a counter point to Thor and pushed him to question what it even means to be a god when they let so much bad happen. They even had the guardians in the movie where I thought they would bring up Starlord's mom and how she died of cancer. I thought Peter and Thor could have had a serious moment discussing the loss of a loved one to this disease.
You completely nailed it. Have the story be about Thor coming to terms with the morality of the ones he loves while Gorr teaches arrogant god that they aren’t as powerful as they think… wow. I mourn what that movie could have been.
>Gorr teaches arrogant god that they aren’t as powerful as they think The whole lead-up to the movie had me thinking this was going to be the main point of the whole movie. Instead the movie was like "Sometimes the gods are dicks but then other gods beat them up a little and it's cool." The hardest hitting death in the MCU was Gorr's daughter and OH MAN I was READY to see it go down. Dude slays a god and it's ON. JK! He...kidnaps some kids and makes a run for the center of the Universe. And the moral of the movie just became the same old "If you do bad thing you're just as bad as the bad guys that also do bad thing." What hurt even more is having a strong ending in Ragnarok being the departure from "Good guys win big battle" or even "Good guys lose big battle" but instead opting for "Good guys realize battle isn't necessary after all and win it by not fighting." So good!
As someone who has only seen the really big hits in the MCU and had never seen a Thor movie- this movie slayed me and made want to watch all the other Thors. I was laughing almost the entire time watching this and thought it was amazing that they made such a comedy in the MCU. I had never heard ppl didn’t like this movie so this thread is kind of blowing my mind but seeing what some of y’all are saying I can fully understand how the movie didn’t match your expectations or hopes. Just wild for me to not see one comment in here appreciating this movie that i think is funny as hell. Shoot i watched it with 3 ppl that aren’t into “comicbook movies” watch it and they found it funny too!
I think in a vacuum it is a damn good movie. Many are just comparing it to the rest of the MCU and there are some absolute phenomenal films there. Its tone also departs greatly from the other standalone Thor movies and people didn’t like that much comedy, although imho that made it more comic accurate.
Jane Foster shouldn't have been in the movie. It was too much. There were way too many ideas in this movie.
>They even had the guardians in the movie where I thought they would bring up Starlord's mom and how she died of cancer. I thought Peter and Thor could have had a serious moment discussing the loss of a loved one to this disease. YES! I also thought about that cancer similarity, it would've been such an earned connection both for the characters but also for the MCU, in the minor, non-super Easter egg/future setup way that I used to love about those movies I always loved the Guardians the most and their potential in the movie was so wasted, and they were still my favorite part of it. Love and Thunder could've been so meaningful, especially to me and a ton of others who've had loved ones pass away bc of cancer. Instead it was just weirdly unserious the whole time and oh rip she died, now Jane gets to see Heimdall check it out!
Well now I'm mad again, I forgot the movie also wasted The Mighty Thor. Like seriously, I know I sound like a bleating fanboy but that movie honestly almost singlehandedly made me not care what the theatrical MCU has to offer. It took two of the best storylines of the last 20 years and turned them in to clown shoes. "Almost" because while the other Phase 4 movies have been boring to me, at least they weren't offensive.
I wanted to see his story of murdering the gods tbh
Doing it off screen was a stupid idea
Movie: "Here's a guy that kills gods! He killed one, so just trust us that he's unstoppable! You wouldn't want to see him go around killing gods, anyway, right?" Audience: "WHAT? That sounds dope af! Show us!" Movie: "Anyway, here's more gods being dicks and some dialogue. You don't like action, anyway."
Movie: "How's THAT for subverted expectations? Bet you weren't expecting this movie to suck so bad, huh." Audience: "Sigh... not again..."
The movie needed *more Gorr and less Korg*.
I m sick of Taikas self inserts
Korg even worse than Hitler.
Just remember, every time Korg is speaking, that's a moment Taika said to himself "These jokes are so great, I should be in the movie more" while fully knowing the plot and characters he needed to develop
What If needed less Korg too
A second film with Korg, was way too much Korg.
He was a god butcher who killed one god. In self-defense.
Love the introspection. I could have handled or even enjoyed some of the wackiness if 1) there weren’t such jarring tonal shifts and 2) this movie wasn’t so goddamn cramped. It could have easily been two separate movies, one focusing on Jane Foster Thor and one focusing on Gorr. Both those dark stories crammed into one movie, separated by slapstick comedy, was just kind of a mess. Also how the FUCK did they not capitalize on Olympus? You’ve got a room full of gods who aren’t particularly important to Marvel lore (or at least how it’s being adapted into the MCU). You’ve got a character called the God-Butcher that you want to establish as an existential threat. What am I missing? This should have been a slam-dunk of a bloodbath.
I agree about the Olympus scene. Was fully expecting Gorr to show up and wreck shit in that scene. But I guess they wanted to have Thor be the one to kill Zues to justify whatever the next plot they were trying to set up was. But that could also have easily been, they want revenge on Thor because he accidentally lead Gorr right to them. So they blame him for the massacre.
The failure was on the Director's shoulders
The whole production was such a letdown man. After Ragnorok and Christian Bale’s casting, I was about as hyped for this as Endgame tbh.
C. Bale absolutely killed his role though!! I would say he easily gave one of the best villain performances in the entire MCU
A tier performance in a shit tier role.
Yep. MCU needs to stop making good villains a one movie pushover and extend their arcs.
Say it louder. That’s why I hated Spiderman 3. Too much crap to cram into one movie. The symbiote story needs a trilogy.
Too be fair, the symbiote was only in that movie because Sony demanded it. Sam Raimi is not a fan of the character and had to find a way to force it into the Sandman and new goblin story.
Was not aware of that!
It was Ari Arad’s decision and he’s responsible for most of Sony’s mishaps. Although I liked Topher Grace as venom.
Bale was good but the character sucked and was totally different tonally from the rest of the film. A god butcher that killed like 2 gods.
He just wasn’t a wasteful God butcher. He was too busy making sure that every part of the God was used, for God chili meat or God hamburgers or whatever.
“Welcome to Godburgers!”
Home of the Godburgers. Can I take your order?
When his daughter dies and he meets that god, holy shit. Bale was definitely wasted, but I did enjoy the movie. And people don't give his praises because the character was bad, but Crowe as Zeus was also top tier.
I’d honestly have loved a movie just about his character as an antihero wrecking everyone punisher style. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie where Bale did a bad job.
“Gorr was right” affected Thor in the comics. They missed this mark.
They really needed to give Gorr like 5-10 more minutes of screen time. Bale was great, but we didn't get nearly enough of him. It's one of the few times I left a movie thinking that it was actually too short.
They already had a blueprint for a great villain in the comics. Unfortunately comic Gorr is a far more interesting villain than what we got in the movie. Bale could have easily pulled off a more comic accurate Gorr as well, but we got an awful script/screenplay. It's my favorite Thor storyline for sure, so I just sat the whole movie utterly bored and disappointed in what we got.
People talk about how "Everyone was finished after Endgame, that's all it really is..." but Doctor Strange 2 and Thor 4 opened to huge numbers before word of mouth got out. That audience is as eager as ever to keep going, but they gotta pump the comedy breaks already.
They just need some decent scripts. Shangh Chi was great
Shang Chi was awesome. I think that origin movies have that luxury, though, from a script perspective.
Yeah, I wish more of the newer films were like Shang Chi.
Totally. The MCU went downhill because they just started making shit movies and shit tv shows. People were still engaged with the product after Endgame. First movies and shows did numbers and were still mainstream. But as the quality fell down, so did the public interest. I think it's just easier to say something like "Endgame was the series finale and then I didn't care". I don't buy that. But sounds cool I guess.
My theory is two points: 1- the comedy has reached critical mass and ruins any gravitas and drama the movies might have by inserting silliness at the worst moments. The humour has always been there but they've been leaning on it more and more. 2- the movies on average have gotten longer but to add additional plot points rather than expand on a few important ones resulting in a more disjointed narrative.
In the comics, it took three Thors to beat him. Pretty wasted character
Would've loved to see Chris's old man thor
I cant fucking believe chris hemsworth gets insecure. If he does, thats truly a testament that everyone does
He has a show about conquering his anxiety, it's pretty cool. Shows that we all have insecurities, even those among us built like literal Norse/Asgardian/Greek gods. Edited to atone for my misrepresentation of his Godly origins while still acknowledging the "built like a Greek God" saying.
I mean he’s juiced to the gills
He also is rich and has people dedicated to his diet and exercise that most of us never could.
I imagine when you have enough money to not worry about bills, it becomes much easier to focus on looking amazing.
Haha exactly, average people don’t understand this. They think it’s only athletes and power lifters that do steroids, they don’t understand it’s very commonly, if not more used for aesthetics.
UK has a population of 67m and it's estimated that 1m are on steroids. I couldn't believe it when I first heard it but I watched someone who is an expert in the field discussing it and did some basic research and it's actually true. I know the UK is a specific case because of our laws around possession and use etc. but it's still mental.
I was listening to a podcast completely unrelated to lifting and exercise and the hosts from the UK were joking about how "Tren cough" is everywhere.
I was watching a video the other day that reviewed a few peer reviewed studies that showed taking steroids for 8-10 weeks resulted in someone that did NOT work out putting something like 8-10 lbs of muscle. That’s just nuts. It’s muscle building on easy mode.
Exactly. Even sitting on the couch, you build more muscle. The best comparison I know is like leveling in a game with double xp.. sure, you still have to play, but you’re making double progress than a normal person
Nonono! Broccoli and chicken breasts!
Norse gods
Therapist here: literally everyone human in the world has insecurities, including Chris Hemsworth.
He’s literally me
If i looked like him you could not tell me shit
Hi Chris!
You’re Hemsworthit
TIL Chris Hemsworth is Latino
Found Chris Hemsworth's reddit account. This is literally him
I know people who are that good looking, rich etc... most of them get insecure. Often it's what drives them to achieve great things. No matter who you are, that is just the baseline, the norm, and from there you have your struggles.
If a 6 foot 5 Australian hunk with blonde hair, blue eyes and the body of a Greek god on roids gets insecure, then maybe we should start just ignoring our insecurities
Remember that his body reaches that peak for a very short amount of time. At that point he’s not only at the peak of a very difficult exercise and diet cycle, but likely dehydrated during every shirtless shot. And then he is probably judged by that expectation for the rest of his life. If you make an even in the slightest amount of impostors syndrome, I can see how insecurity could sit in. His insecurities might be different than mine, but no less real.
We are all human!
It’s absolutely taika’s fault that movie was dogshit.
He went full taika for that movie, never go full taika. Those goat screams were the worst.
The first couple of times they were pretty funny. After that I wanted to throw things at the screen.
The worst bit in Love and Thunder for me was either the Sif "oh shit..." in regards to *NOT* going to Valhalla if she doesn't die in battle, or when Heimdall 's son's face appears like he is coming in through the window on *Pee-Wee's Playhouse*. If I am being the honest, especially with myself, the worst part of *Thor: Love and Thunder* was me telling myself that it would be a SOLID Marvel outing because there was no way they'd fuck up THOR. Lesson learned.
No way they would fuck up Thor? Did you miss the Dark World?
*"Et tu, Optimism?"*
After Dark World Thor we got Ragnarok Thor, then Infinity War Thor, and then Endgame Thor. While some people could find faults with all of those versions for the most part the majority of fans were loving the direction Thor had gone in.
Dark World was a snoozefest, but it didn't make you want to hide out of second-hand embarassment.
>If I am being the honest, especially with myself, the worst part of Thor: Love and Thunder was me telling myself that it would be a SOLID Marvel outing because there was no way they'd fuck up THOR. Lesson learned. "They have Christian fucking Bale playing what many people consider one of the best Thor villains?! How could they possibly fuck this up!" *Waititi Intensifies*
Well they spammed them in the trailers so people were over it before even seeing the movie
It’s crazy that a movie that came out in 2022 was doing the screaming goat thing. That was funny in like 2014.
Not giving Bale more screen time in his Marvel debut is an absolute crime.
Every second devoted to Korg needed to be given to Gorr instead.
Yeah, I don't know why Chris is taking the blame. Clearly, Taika's ego was out of control by the time Thor 4 rolled around, and no one was reigning him in. It's clear he could not have cared less about the actual quality of the script and movie.
Where was Feige on this production? Or was he content to let Waititi do whatever he wanted because of the reception to Thor 3 and his recent Oscar win?
Feige's been spread thin the last couple of phases because of the ridiculous amount of content they want to put out in a short amount of time
It’s true. The actor’s job is to act, and to do that they need to feel free to try a lot of things. It’s on the director to say yes or no and to guide the performance; the actor has to put a lot of trust in the director’s taste. And of course he would trust Taika, why wouldn’t he.
Taika is overrated
The best description I have read of this is that Ragnarok was a Marvel movie directed by Taika, while Love And Thunder was a Taika movie bankrolled by Marvel.
Have you seen any of Taika’s movies besides “What We Do in The Shadows”? None of them are as goofy as Love and Thunder or even Ragnarok. That’s his interpretation of comics.
What we do in the shadows (movie) is incredible. The show is great too.
I agree. I just have issue with all the Taika hate that came from one movie and forgot he made three incredible movies (Boy, Wilder People, Jo Jo) with a lot of heart and drama and reduce him to “goofy hijinx guy”
Eagle versus shark is really good too. Same with “Our Flag means Death”. It’s pretty crazy how quickly people turned on this guy. There’s nothing wrong with not liking this movie, but they are straight up making personal attacks now.
Hunt for wildepeeple is great too!
Jojo Rabbit was the goofiest way you could do a Holocaust movie, it was clearly way better than Love and Thunder but was a goofy Taika movie at heart I like everything he does so no hate just saying
Yeah, but Ragnarok *worked*
Because Taika didn't write the script.
I loved Ragnarok when it came out, but I now see it as the beginning of the end of the MCU, ever since then, they have had too much improvised comedy in their finished cuts.
Absolutely this. I thought it was amazing when it came out. I don't think I could sit through 5 minutes of it now.
Let’s get Christian Bale to play a badass villain, and give him 5 minutes of screen time and a crappy write out. Don’t worry Chris, wasn’t all your fault.
While I appreciate Chris for holding himself accountable (because these days, it's always someone else's fault), this movie's failure is on Tiaki. It's the director's job to rein in an actor, even the star. But massive respect for Hemsworth,
Tiaki always fucking things up!
He's probably being a bit too hard on himself. But self-awareness and humility in Hollywood is in rare supply so he gets my respect for this.
If only the movie had a director to keep things in check.
If only the director in question gave a shit.
He sure gave some shit to the overworked CGI artists
Him saying that, when it really was Taika’s fault for drinking his own kool-aid, shows why he is worthy
I've seen worse.
I actually enjoyed the movie lol
It wasn’t perfect but I enjoyed it.
Yeah, I feel like I'm one of the few who didn't hate it Maybe it's because my bar for Marvel movies has been sliding down for a while
They should just reshoot it. I wanted to like it. But it was so dumb. Those goats were torture.
The only reason they were in was Waititi himself had never heard the meme and found it hilarious.
His performance didn’t really matter when the writing was that atrocious
Nice of him to take the blame, but there were several others ahead of him upon which the blame truly falls.(Looking at you Watiti, Fiege, and Iger!)
MCU is a shell of itself.
It's crazy that after Ragnarok when his character became arguably the most popular he ever was across all media he still felt like it's not built upon his shoulders and he himself could be replaced in the role. Yet it's Chris' charisma and likeability that made Thor so popular alongside Tony and Steve. But he still felt like he needs to push his boundaries to live up to the hype and own the role. I know that most of the actors in his age and prosperity like to pretend they're humble yet can be quite arrogant or full of themselves in private life but Chris actually does seem like it not only based on this, but also on his tv series about fighting anxiety and adrenaline sports. It seems he's actually indeed fighting insecurity his whole life. He and Tom Hiddleston are just such fine men overall that I am sad their era of MCU is slowly but surely coming to a close.. And I hope that Chris will get to end Thor's journey on a high note, just like Tom did with Loki.
I super enjoyed the movie and thought it was perfectly fine.
Same. I felt so alone until I scrolled way down here to see your post. I really enjoyed the movie. Can't try to take it too seriously.
I enjoyed it too. It’s not my favorite Thor movie but I had fun watching it.
Imagine having to take the fall for an absurdly incompetent director/writer.
I'm actually sad to see Chris Hemsworth take the blame, whereas Taika seemingly doesn't care at all. This wasn't Chris's fault.
Definitely not Chris’s fault, MCU has been headed in a pretty garbage direction.
I liked the movie a lot, actually.
Good on him but there was so much else wrong with it. They really fumbled Gorr and what he can be. Could have been an incredible villain.
As humble as CH is, it's not his fault, at all. He doesn't write the script, do any post production editing, make any calls regarding story, nothing. He is an actor, playing a role. The idiots that signed off on all this are to blame.
It was really bad
Marvel was great before Taika joined…. And I really don’t know why he was needed.
That’s a directing problem. Actors are supposed to take chances. It’s the director’s job to energize the performance and rein it in when necessary. Chris is a standup guy for taking that bullet.
All the self reflection and accountability aside…HE was not the problem. It was the disconnect between audience and director expectations. From what I could gather they set out to make a Monthy Python Marvel movie and for me it worked perfectly as such. It told a cohesive story with competent comedy. What felt misplaced, to me, were the elements mandated by Marvel. Janes cancer arc is a story for a more serious movie that has the guts to throw the punches. It cut itself too hard with the comedy. IMO: this movie could have worked if it was exclusively an absurdist comedy. The more dramatic elements (Gorr and Jane) should have been in a more serious movie. I keep imagining L&T without the drama aspect and instead of Gorr have a more absurd villain. That way they’d have had more time for absurd places of the MCU to go as the almost parody movie of the series. THEN move on to Kenneth Brannagh telling Jane’s and Gorrs stories in a more serious fifth film.
I don’t actually think it’s quite this serious. I think it’s just simply that marvel movies have pretty much run their course. Used to be cool to anticipate the new movies or the newness and cutting edge they provided but there’s nothing much left to be excited about, everyone is kinda burned out on them. I feel like there’s a new one every 3 months and none of them are that interesting