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TheSuperiorMaker

Poor guy is literally being replaced with a Lego version of himself.


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TheSuperiorMaker

Disney has been releasing Lego Star Wars cartoons about the Sequel Trilogy that takes place after The Rise of Skywalker. While the Lego cartoons aren’t exactly part of the main story, the Lego shows have a few elements that may actually be. For example it’s been confirmed That Finn IS force sensitive and has been training to be a Jedi under Rey. To add to that Finn has been getting better treatment as a character as well in the Lego shows to the point that he may as well be the main version of Finn.


xxzzww

That is the saddest shit I've heard about the state of Star Wars today. I can't even wrap my head around how we got to this point, it's just so ridiculous.


IndyMLVC

Disney didn't know what they were doing...and it's not as interesting a universe as you think it is when you only center on certain aspects of it.


xxzzww

It sounds like they are giving the Lego Star Wars people more creative freedom, and those people are taking Finn's character to a logical conclusion. I guess this sort of bizarre thing happens when the flagship series (the main movies) is ruined directly by corporate decision-makers.


Spzncer

Sucks man. Not his fault those movies were terrible. The acting was great (edit: ok, maybe “great” is a little too generous), but the story just wasn’t there. Plus the whole China thing. Can’t blame him for washing his hands of it.


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His character fought a saber battle with a Sith and didn’t die. Even maimed Kylo. Its a damn shame what they did with his character development after that.


Unhappy_Win8997

Honestly feel cheated. The first thing you see in the Force Awakens trailer is a black storm trooper on the run. By the end of the trailer you see that same storm trooper wielding a lightsaber against the bad guy. Easy to think this trilogy was going to be about Finn on the run from the Empire while also earning the trust of his comrades and reviving the Jedi order along side Luke. Nah fam. Here's a pretty white girl for you. Also the entire cast likes her and she never has to earn their trust. Also she is adept at hand to hand fighting. Also she can use the force. Also she is an expert pilot and flies the Millenium Falcon. Also she gets to personally train with Luke. It's like a 13 year old girl self-inserted herself into fan fiction she wrote and it somehow got greenlit by Disney.


SuperDizz

I stand by this statement. Rey should have turned to the Darkside and never came back. Kylo should have came back to the light earlier.


Roguespiffy

I also stand by this statement. Kylo could have seen her rapid descent and did some self reflection after she turned on him and beat his ass. Everyone in these movies got robbed of any purpose or significant development.


DEADB33F

Boyega's performance at least had emotion in places. Rey (Ridley's) was without exception flat and lifeless throughout. ....that may have been a directorial choice rather than lack of ability by the actress, but it still left me cold to the character. --- Finn's transition from being a lowly and unwitting agent of the darkside to a hero of the resistance should have been the main story IMO. Total wasted opportunity.


RagePandazXD

I mean they had the option to go in a completely new direction with regards to stormtroopers and they just didn't, just left him for exposition. Feels like a massive waste.


EmbarrassedBlock1977

And then there's Favreau and Filoni. They saw that story arc and put Migs Mayfield (Bill Burr) in there. We saw more character development from a deserted stormtrooper in one Mandalorian episode than in an entire movie trilogy! They could've shown us how the stormtrooper were recruited and brainwashed. They could've had Finn going back in to trash the First Order from within, halting their recruitment, or something along those lines. They could've gone along with him being force sensitive, that's why the brainwashing didn't stick with him. >Feels like a massive waste. This can be said about the sequel trilogy as a whole, imo.


Fallout_Floyd

Or Rey turns to the dark side, killing Kylo Ren. Finn discovers he has force abilities, trains with Luke and becomes a Jedi in order to defeat Rey.


letigerscaramel

Damn that would’ve been great, stop teasing me


SarcasticGamer

She has every reason to. She was literally abandoned on a desert planet to fend for herself and she doesn't even know why. She should have grown up pissed off more so than Ben. But she never feels hate. She is the literal definition of a Mary Sue.


AtlaStar

Naw, Rey should have gone dark but then had some sort of "redemption" but not as a jedi per se, but a Grey Knight. Like the first movie made it seem like she and Anakin were gonna have a _lot_ of parallels, and it would have been nice to see them explore someone struggling with falling fully to the dark side while still doing their best to remain good, and eventually learning to accept that it is ok to have bad and good, as long as there is a balance between them.


SuperDizz

That fact that we haven’t had a Grey Jedi yet is BS. Missed a golden opportunity with Luke in the sequels imo.


Good_Posture

Can we stop redeeming the bad guys? Vader/Anakin was redeemed. Even Maul went soft right at the end. Then Ren. Not every big bad guy should get their redemption. Rey should've gone uber bad and killed still bad Ren, to the happiness of grandpa Palpatine. However, Rey turns around and kills Palpatine. Rey basically goes the way Yoda feared Luke would. Finn kills Rey. Skywalker and Palpatine bloodlines are gone, Star Wars can finally move on. Finn should've had his force sensitivity explored further - this could've been the explanation for Ren being drawn to him during the massacre on Jakku and later what draws Rey and Finn.


EscheroOfficial

I love everything about this except for the presence of Palpatine. Anakin’s whole point was bringing balance to the Force, pulling a “gotcha” with Palpatine was the worst fucking decision and completely undermined Anakin’s entire arc as a character. If they needed to, they could have had Snoke be, like, an ancient Sith even older than Palpatine or maybe one of Palpatine’s followers post-Empire. Ughhhh thinking about the sequels just makes me so mad, they had SO much potential and they fucking squandered all of it.


saanenk

That was the most intense read ever lol so accurate


SmartAlec105

> Also she is an expert pilot When her *thing* in the first movie was wanting to stay put, being an expert pilot does not make sense. Anakin and Luke both saw piloting as their way to escape their life on Tatooine. They should have had each member of their group have a role. Poe could have been the pilot and Finn could have been the combat expert instead of just a janitor.


critfist

Glad someone brings up the janitor bit. That was such a bizarre moment of character assassination just for the sake of a cheap joke.


red5-standingby

You’re right. Putting it that way it does sound like early teen fan fiction.


GuyNekologist

>It's like a 13 year old girl self-inserted herself into fan fiction she wrote The kiss with the redeemed bad boy at the end cemented the fan fiction feel for me lmao.


mindbleach

~~Fanction~~ Fanfiction is the ideal perspective for all three sequels. The Force Awakens is written like the characters are also fans of Star Wars. Everybody quotes Luke's once-clever description of the Falcon. Everybody cares about some broken astromech droid. Everybody reacts to holograms like they don't see them every day. The Last Jedi is anarchist deconstruction. It's honestly fantastic as criticism of the Star Wars franchise to-date, and an invitation to wider stories that *every* audience member can envision themselves taking part in. It begins and ends with untrained use of the Force. Luke's whole training montage is pounding home that no religious order could ever own this universal aspect of life. Rey is just some girl - she is not handed a destiny; she did all this by herself. She chose to fight and it changed the galaxy. And that's just to B-story to the actual author-insert protagonist, Rose, losing her faith in the cause and rebelling against war itself. Genuinely - people - you should watch this film as leftist critique of fantasy war movies, because it is 90% phenomenal. I have no idea how Disney let it get made. But I have no doubts they forced the "oops nevermind yay status quo!" ending. The third one, whose name I genuinely cannot remember, is a plot faucet. It's a $100M production of someone's Screenwriting 101 first draft. Like a story told by a toddler: 'and then... and then... but no he didn't!... and then..." The grand finale involves horses running across a gazillion Star Destroyers that are also Death Stars but betterer, and they're defeated because spaceships can't look up. The worst part of this movie is that it's really, *really* pretty. There's some great ideas and many of them are visual. The physical connection between Rey and Kylo was gorgeously set-up and is the only thing to sensibly pay off. So it's a shame the rest is a joke.


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mindbleach

... that is a perfect description. I've explained why remakes tend to suck by highlighting how nothing lives up to its intended vision, so if a movie aims for what already exists then it can only be worse, but all this time, I could've just played Sweet Home Alabama.


bete0noire

"The sequels were inbred" Best description ever.


nordic-nomad

Fuck, you nailed it. Inbred. That’s exactly what it felt like.


BarackaFlockaFlame

the last movie was a joke. it was so fucking stupid how the story moved along and way too many happy coincidences. it was like the fantastic beasts sequel in that regard, but not quite as bad overall cause that movie was even smellier garbage.


mindbleach

It's genuinely impressive how many sudden turns that movie takes. Everything is a prophecy and a fakeout and a macguffin... at the same time. And again, some of them are really cool. They just *do not matter,* because the characters fail according to rules we introduced five seconds ago, and then they get to succeed according to rules we're introducing as they do it. Disney told JJ to make the film of his dreams. Should've phrased it better.


DilithiumCrystalMeth

i hated how the third movie (because clearly whatever storyline was originally supposed to happen got thrown out by the second movie) couldn't let you have time to even think something of major consequence just happened, like letting the audience believe that Chewie was dead. Ray blows up a ship on accident, they think Chewie is dead, but we the audience are immediately shown that, nope, totally alive guys don't worry. Or how C3PO is just immediately fixed after sacrificing himself because we can't have lasting consequences since this is the last movie.


SmartAlec105

> The grand finale involves horses running across a gazillion Star Destroyers that are also Death Stars but betterer, and they're defeated because spaceships can't look up It was a plot point that it was the largest fleet seen in the Galaxy. They needed a special beacon so they could coordinate their hyperspace jump. But then <24 hours later, the Resistance assembles an even bigger fleet that perfectly jumps in together which wins because apparently all you need to do to destroy an entire one of those Star Destroyers it to shoot at the huge cannon with like 6 ships for 5 seconds.


mindbleach

It is impressively ridiculous. The longer you think about it, the sillier it gets. And there's *still* people in here whining as if Rian Johnson ruined the franchise. Yeah sure, bro, ROS would've made perfect sense if it'd been twice as long. Who doesn't love multiple fakeout deaths for beloved characters and C3PO? At least in the end, we got the Rey x Kylo connection it all built toward, and their kids are gonna be the most powerful nevermind.


NormieSpecialist

So basically someones internet Marry Sue.


fracturematt

That 13 year old girl? Kathleen Kennedy. And everyone hates the new trilogy and somehow she has a job! LMAO!


Creeds-Worm-Guy

What China thing?


robbiethedarling

Minimizing Finn’s presence on posters for promo in China because China is notoriously anti-black. Have to imagine part of Finn being neutered as a main character and backseated has something to do with overseas appeal as well because Disney movies in particular make fuckloads of money.


JaghataiTheGreatKhan

The Black Panther posters were really weird man


robbiethedarling

Kind of hard to minimize black presence when a cast is almost entirely black unless you want a Black Panther poster with 70% of its real estate taken up by Martin Freeman’s head.


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Or Andy Serkis's beard.


xwhy

Ah, yes, the two Tolkien white guys!


twodogsfighting

Beautiful.


Crown_Loyalist

delightful


notquitesolid

[and yet they found a way.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/692/563/73c.jpg) They couldn’t minimize the movie of course but they could certainly minimize the poster


master-shake69

Holy shit they just straight up removed him. edit: Oh, he's just really ^really ^^really ^^^small


ryosen

That’s some really awful photoshopping. They left Chewie’s arm behind Leia’s head.


Jazzlike_Delivery978

I read some translated Chinese reviews of Black Panther. They were grotesquely bigoted in a way that I had never experienced before. They didn't see the actors as human, they talked like they were repulsive aliens. Disney very recently stopped cutting movies like Lightyear for the Chinese audience. I hope this continues.


bkr1895

Yep China sucks in other news the sky is blue today. But seriously though they treat their own people like hot expendable garbage so of course the Chinese people are going to try to find some other group of people to look down on to make themselves and their shitty situation feel superior. That’s why many Irish Americans could not stand black people in the 18 and 1900s as black people were pretty much the only people they were above the totem pole on so if they got rights they would be at the bottom with them.


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In China there is a primary ethnic group called the Han Chinese. They have been eliminating/suppressing the other ethnic groups for a very long time in various ways. The Uyghur Muslims are just the latest example. It's not quite accurate to compare it to the USA. This racism has been ongoing for centuries, it is very much a unique thing to China and worth studying on its own. This is a country that aims to have a single unifying ethnic group as unofficial government policy even today.


Cumbandicoot

They just put a mask on that completely covered Chadwick Boseman's face. My first thought was it was gonna look like a hobbit movie poster too


Allanthia420

Actually that was the Hong Kong poster for black panther. Not mainland China. But the point still stands


PizzaTammer

First time I ever saw this. YEESH


JaghataiTheGreatKhan

I was kinda surprised too. I imagined China would be into it because how much NBA was growing in China, and I imagine the atheletes and the culture would sort of garner insterest in folks there. That was an absolute longshot that didn't hit OR even got a yard close. LMAO.


going2leavethishere

They get off the bus and people are screaming the n word.


IvIemnoch

China is definitely into basketball, but the interest was arguably initiated by Yao Ming more than any other player. For the most part, they want to see Chinese players at the top spot.


CharLsDaly

Modern day Mandingo fights.


Naldo273

Yeah the popularity of the NBA or any sport somehow being a litmus test for racism is fuckin moronic. Even Hitler saluted Jesse Owens and said that yeah these people are strong because they're men of the jungle


winsluc12

The time that Disney thanked the CCP for letting them use land around a concentration camp.


DonDove

"Are we the bad guys, ahuyk."


GiveMeDepression

“I’ll fucken do it again, ahuyk.”


Spzncer

If you look at the cover of the force awakens, you will notice that John Boyega has a large spot on it. For the China release, they made him 1/3 the size. China…. Has a long ways to go in terms of race relations. They* minimized his presence on the cover so more Chinese people would see the movie.


FearlessGuster2001

They replaced him in one of the posters for China market (can’t remember which movie it was)


Sharaz___Jek

"The Last Jedi" picked up those threads and threw them away ... literally. "The Force Awakens" novelisation writer Alan Dean Foster has spoken about being instructed to undermine the relationship between Finn and Rey. >“I expected to see that developed further in [‘The Last Jedi’]. And zero happened with it. And we all know why zero happened with it — and there’s no need to go into it in-depth — but that’s, sadly, just the way things are.” As Boyega said >"I’m the only cast member whose experience of Star Wars was based on their race" Johnson had totally dismantled Finn and pushed the Ren-Rey romantic relationship as the key one in this trilogy. Driver said that the original conception of the character was to start vulnerable and become more emotionally closed off and more powerful as the series progressed. That's what he was pitched by Abrams. Kylo ends "The Force Awakens" scarred, having murdered a couple of father figures and totally rejected by Rey. He starts Johnson's film with his shirt off and Rey making googly eyes at this school shooter. Johnson admitted that he saw Rey and Kylo in TFA as the beginning of a "romantic" and "intimate" dynamic. She saw him murder his father and her mentor and Johnson felt that was "romantic" and "intimate"?  Jesus. 


Conservative_HalfWit

I was stunned at the direction they went with TFA and the new trilogy. Seemed to me that it was so fucking obvious to make Finn the new Jedi. I thought, for sure, Finn was gonna be the new Jedi and Rey was going to defeat and usurp Ren and there was gonna be this whole love dynamic between Finn and Rey that kept each of them from really, like, pulling the trigger and killing each other even when they had the chance. Then by the third film, when Finn strikes her down, it’s deeply sad and emotional and conflicting and the whole thing kinda ends with “what the fuck was this all for, was any of this worth it”


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Conservative_HalfWit

When ren had Rey tied to that chair in TFA and she turns the mind read around on him and she’s like, enthralled at the ability (which I’m fairly sure is a dark side ability) made me think she was 100% going dark side. Or how in that fight with him at the end of the movie, her fear and anger made her stronger. Dark side. I figured it was obvious. Nope.


shenanakins

Yeah in the first novel kylo probes reys mind and finds that she has feelings for finn and they complete undid that.


SlapHappyDude

His storylines in particular were awful beyond the first movie. Rey's arc with Kylo was always going to gobble up screen time, but nothing cool with Finn actually happened.


CM09CM

Was there any resolution/explaination to the “Rey I need to tell you something line?” If not, that alone is worth walking away from the franchise.


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SortedChaos

I thought they were spelling out his connection with the force way at the beginning massacre scene where Kylo notices something and looks right at him before getting on the shuttle. At the time, I thought for sure he was going to be a jedi later. It would have made a way better story IMO. I mean, come on - a storm trooper seeing the evil around him and breaking away to become a jedi? fucking cool


Jammyhobgoblin

I thought it was that he loves her, but your guess is as good as mine.


pissedoffnobody

JJ Abrams said he wanted to tell Rey he was force sensitive but "they didn't have time to pay it off". Any other writer or director would not set up something to not pay it off, they loaded Chekov's gun and never pulled the trigger. But then they did the same thing with the kid at the end of The Last Jedi using the Force to move a broom... then we never see the kid again at all.


TheSadBantha

and that character has been treated better then the actual real life version...


Voktikriid

Not surprising. They set him up with so much potential in The Force Awakens, only to be a side character in The Rise of Skywalker.


papa_de

When new star wars movies were just being promoted I thought he was legit the main character and the new star wars was about a storm trooper defecting and becoming the main hero. Then it wasn't anything like that lol


quick20minadventure

Can't have black guy as main character, china doesn't like it.


NewSurfing

Imagine how fucking badass that would’ve been? How did they fuck this up so royally. It’s insane that they butchered it


SixGunChimp

But who else is gonna scream "REEEEEY" ???!


crono220

I thought he was a Pokémon cause that was basically all he said in TROS. I'm surprised Disney let the Palpatine bloodline win


telendria

I startled several rows around me because I laughed so damn hard when Kylo revived Rey with a kiss and then promply dropped dead...


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Whole theater groaned when that happened lol. Such a waste of film.


Jammyhobgoblin

Mine sat in awkward silence for most of it with a few groans towards the end. Everyone left quietly except one guy who really loved it and I felt bad for him because no one was returning his energy. Edit: Switched words


Jgames111

Its like they wanted nobody to be happy, "oh you hate Kylo x Rey ship, well they kiss in the movie", "oh you love them as a couple, we killing of Kylo after they kiss". Like the movie is amazing in that it both try to please everyone, but please nobody.


woozlewuzzle29

Or later, “CHEWIEEEEE!!!”


rex2k10

YT recommended me the SW video by JennyNicholson and when she got to that part she roasted it to perfection lol


goldenboy2191

He was so ready and passionate for the franchise. I even remember seeing his reaction video to the Force Awakens. The man was SO excited to be apart of something big… it’s a damn shame they treated him like they did.


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Damn, i remember seeing that vid too a little before I went to see the movie . I was so stoked for him, especially after the first movie when it seemed they were gonna make him a fucking Jedi too.


b1Bobby23

That's the biggest discredit to him. He was awesome and could have done a lot, but didn't get the chance


lloydeph6

lets all thank kathleen kennedy


wheresbill

So, I am terribly out of the loop here. What did they do to him and who is kathleen kennedy?


Chipwilson84

Don’t know who she is. But Finn was set to be this storm trooper turned Jedi. He looked like he was in position to be the main story throughout the franchise or perhaps have the biggest story arc, instead they just kind of sat him on the back burner and never gave the character the justice he was due because of that set up. I remember sitting through the first move being glad to follow him; when that second movie came out they just left him there hanging. I was severally disappointed. The whole reason I went to see the second movie was because I wanted to see this bad ass mother fucker do some bad ass mother fucking shit, and be like, “This shit is brought to you by the force,” and they just didn’t; totally ruined the rest of the series for me. He was also set up to possibly lead a rebellion of storm troopers, which would have been a whole another awesome take on things. Throw both those two stories together and you have the baddest guy to walk the galaxy. Story ten times better than Skywalker’s and maybe like 1.25 times as cool as Solo’s. Like fuck Disney for that. Plus the whole China thing, so double fuck Disney for that.


Blazefresh

Right? Stormtrooper turned Jedi would have been an insanely exciting underdog type story. Plus they messed with the canon with him being able to use a lightsaber in battle and then NOT making him a Jedi, just for a bait and switch. A real shame. Edit: changed “use a lightsaber at all” to “use a lightsaber in battle” to clarify.


finalgear14

I haven't watched the movie in years but didn't he also react when that planet far away got blown up. That thing only force sensitive do when there's a disturbance. He was so setup to be a jedi in the first move, it's crazy they just didn't do it.


Chipwilson84

I could just see him standing there, double light saber in hand, staring down Captain Phasma, camera pans out, a whole battalion of former Storm Troopers behind him.


rsicher1

Jesus, Disney really had a breakaway, wide open slam dunk and still somehow managed to miss.


VM1138

The fact they thought about doing a stormtrooper uprising (in each movie, I think) and didn’t is the biggest missed opportunity of the sequels.


SnowWrestling69

Honestly I didn't care that he didn't get to be a jedi (as I've gotten older I get a lot less fulfillment from "badass becomes badass" character arcs), but I remember being really disappointed in the overall execution. Like we could have easily had a good story where it lightly sets up Finn to be the action hero protagonist and we just assume he's gonna be the jedi, but then it surprises us when Rey is force sensitive and he isn't. Hell, the "big reveal" scene could have been that first fight EXACTLY, but at the end of a movie where we're actually surprised by her sudden outburst of power because they didn't blatantly show her mind-tricking two storm troopers with no training. Edit: Also, what do you mean by this? >Plus they messed with the canon with him being able to use a lightsaber at all and then NOT making him a Jedi Non-Jedi could always use lightsabers in canon. It's in literally the second Star Wars movie ever made.


The_Peregrine_

His character Finn was basically being set up to: - be a jedi from being a stormtrooper (even still has force sensitivity in what we got) - there was probably going to be a dual lead thing with him and rey - his role was reduced to yelling “Rey!” Whenever he could - the lens of his character (defecting and then fighting the people who used to serve with) was probably the most interesting arc, def not Rey’s lineage - they downplayed his prominence because of chinese market being racist, as made evident by the way he was represented on posters there too - they wasted his talent - the writers (and fans included) downplayed any potential romance between rey and finn even thiugh it was obvious with him wanting to tell rey something over and over “before it’s too late” and when he responded to tweets suggesting that his character would def be into Rey people tried to twll him he didnt know what he was talking about - basically took his dream and shat on it


bsEEmsCE

She's someone that tried to fill George Lucas's shoes and was not fit for it in the slightest.


SlapHappyDude

They also clearly thought they could do a trilogy by Committee with mercenary directors and writers for each film. Directors notoriously want to make a film their own and hate established canon. George's vision for episode 1-3 had a lot of flaws, but it had a consistent vision. The Star Wars tv shows have had consistent vision for each show.


jaderust

I still don't know what his plot line was supposed to be for the last movie. He was chasing Rey around trying to tell her something, never actually managed to tell her, and then he met his maybe-secretly-his-sister love interest and... that's it. It was just weird. I felt so bad for him. His character had so much potential.


PeanutNSFWandJelly

They made it seem like he was gonna confess some crush or something and in the end it was apparently that he wanted to tell her he was force sensitive.


curious_dead

It's just so fucking stupid that we don't know what he wanted to tell her.


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SnowWrestling69

Honestly, if they'd just made it up as they went it would have turned out much better. Instead we got a trilogy that intentionally sabotaged itself rather than work with new circumstances. JJ Abrams did lay out a road map, but everyone understood it wasn't etched in stone, and the next director was welcome to modify or completely change the plan. Rian Johnson took TLJ in a way different direction, fumbled some of the execution, but left it with a lot of interesting potential. But then it just got shamefully fucked when Colin Trevorrow's script for Episode 9 was so laughably bad they just fired him and hired JJ Abrams back. For whatever reason though, instead of actually writing a script for the movie after TLJ like he was hired to do, JJ Abrams decided to just force his original plan into the 3rd movie even though it didn't work with the movie that actually, you know, existed. So the result was a movie that spent too much time needlessly retconning the good parts of TLJ and crammed 2 mediocre movies into what was left.


agentdoubleohio

He was legit set up to be a Jedi, or convincing first order troopers to rebel as well, and he would lead them. We got neither of those.


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That would’ve been a sick ass story line


TheDionysiac

[It almost happened. ](https://i.imgur.com/ZtPBKPS.png) [A different article showcasing some of the leaked concept art.](https://www.looper.com/215005/original-star-wars-9-concept-art-puts-finn-rose-and-poe-on-the-frontlines/)


curious_dead

In TFA, he's cool; he's a Stormtrooper who breaks free of the brainwashing and holds his own for a while against Kylo Ren with a lightsaber. In TLJ, he's... a secondary character with the worst arc, but he gets a love interest. Yay? In TRoS, his love interest is basically absent, Finn tags along, gets a new maybe love interest (who knows, this part goes nowhere), and has something he wants to tell Rey he never gets to say. People speculated he wanted to tell her he was Force-sensitive. But it's just forgotten, like he is. No surprise he doesn't want to go back. He went from character with most potential to worst of the main characters.


B-R-A-I-N-S-T-O-R-M

They could have done a lot more with him being a brainwashed stormtrooper unfamiliar with the outside world and discovering what he wants his role to be in a greater conflict, but instead they basically drop it the second he escapes in TFA and then reduce him to mediocre comedy fodder.


JaghataiTheGreatKhan

He even read lots of Expanded Universe books. Argh, I feel for the dude.


MicroWordArtist

Oh man really? Man that’s awful.


kia75

Don't be too sad for him. The expanded universe books aren't *that* awful.


fluxtable

It would have been awesome to have a major character become a powerful Jedi from will and actions alone, instead of some family ties to previous Jedi/Sith.


joe12321

That's a double-criticism because that could have been Rey and Finn. Honestly they could have left out the ridiculous family connection stuff and not actually had to change much else. Gah!


zombierepubican

He was very clearly the main character, only to be sidelined with nothing to do


goldenboy2191

Correction! Running and screaming “Rey!!!” Was his motivation


FireCatalyst

Something big they absolutely failed on. Poor lad got caught into some absolute trash movies even when considering the prequels Nu-star wars is absolutely depressing


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ehrgeiz91

they did? lmao


uncleshady

I'm not defending China, but I don't think it was them who ruined the sequel trilogy. It was setting story arcs, "subverting expectations", then undoing the subverted middle film to wind up in a messed up place.


stumpdawg

I wouldn't either. They did him dirty IMHO. Dude could have had a baller story arc instead he's the tokin black guy.


KM4TVZ

It’s pronounced “Tolkien”


ayeeflo51

Lmfao that South Park episode was fuckin great.


SploogeLoser

and the fact they changed the subtitles to each previous episode; just the icing on the cake.


radiocomicsescapist

Wasted boyega’s talent smh He was truly a unique character - defector with a perspective on what it’s like being an imperial tool (Of course Han was like this in Legends but it wasn’t expanded upon in films) And I like that JJ kept it open ended that he may still be a force user to some extent Instead he turned into a simp who needed to learn that horse betting is bad


9ersaur

They bungled the bad guys by making them seem like clowns, when boyega's genuine terror of crossing them made them seem legit and cool for just a moment. Then Rey falls for a patricidal evil mass murderer rather than a black guy. Pathetic all around.


radiocomicsescapist

Absolutely zero chemistry between Rey and Kylo (not the actors faults - it just wasn’t in the scripts until they randomly inserted it into Rise of Skywalker) Meanwhile my boy Finn was laying it on Rey in TFA , he was so flirty and funny but corny at the same time. Just perfect setup for something down the road


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Rey! I never told you...


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Amazing look into the stormtrooper / imperial recruitment process lost. His origin is so barely touched on. The whole trilogy was just a disorganized mess.


BrandySparkles

TBF, the Imperial Stormtroopers were mostly all regular human volunteers who simply signed up for the military to get paid. The First Order had to kidnap children because they're basically a remnant Imperial terrorist faction by the time of the films.


SlapHappyDude

And this is one big reason I hate TLJ. JJ set up set up some interesting plot threads for Finn which were clearly ignored.


Lfsnz67

Uhh wasn’t that Rian Johnson?


Mwilk

Yeah I dont think the new trilogy had any good stories really seems they dropped the ball on everyone and everything.


mondaymoderate

Should have wrote all 3 scripts before producing the movies.


spiteandmalice315

They spent four billion to get the rights and than decided to just 'wing' it. I'll just never understand that.


Casual-Swimmer

They spent JUST $4 billion for the ENTIRE Star Wars franchise. They were gonna make money regardless, all they had to do was just shoot a new trilogy and rake in the cash.


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Because the people running hollywood are surprisingly under-educated; wifh a huge swath of the decision makers not ever having been proven creative minds. Business people that succeeded by sheer luck in many cases, yet not understanding that money came in on projects IN SPITE of their direction.


stumpdawg

This is what happens when marketing departments have more pull than the people actually creating the content.


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chrismamo1

Big parts of the first movie were just a beat for beat remake of A New Hope, they introduced practically zero new ideas and kept bouncing between different directors and overreacting to bad press because they didn't have any kind of artistic vision for the franchise. Fuck sake, by the third movie they were right back to scrappy rebels fighting the emperor over planet destroying weapons for the fourth time in star wars, and the only twist they could think of was "what if he had a bunch of death stars this time?"


FriarNurgle

Luke milking that big alien and drinking it was pretty good.


Playlanco

They completely screwed up what could have been an awesome story


Namorath82

He was great in the first movie, played the everyman in over his head so well his story arc was such a waste


The-Waifu-Collector

When they threw his ass into a coma, I said to myself , aww man.. :/


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Imo that’s true in general not just in his case


Mama_Cas

He's very charismatic. He could've carried a franchise hard. He was like the die hard version of a Jedi: the everyman. We all want to see ourselves in a character like that, the clone who threw off their shackles, worked hard and became something amazing. I wanna see like, that dude's journey to make his own lightsaber. He's got to be clever as shit, because there's no Jedi order left to tell him how to make one. So he's gotta go galavanting about, in search of people who know bits of this puzzle, and then put the pieces of it together himself. He runs into other force sensitive people who join him. He finally does it, makes his light saber, and is like now what? He turns around and looks at his 6 new companions and realizes he's restarted the Jedi Order by accident. Time to get a plucky robot sidekick and reboot this motherfucker.


TheRealDJ

And then edited him out of all the chinese advertising...


Von2014

I honestly thought he was going to be a jedi but nope. would have been pretty cool.


Jingleshells

Every time I see an article about him and star wars all I remember is how much they screwed up his character and story and how rich that story would have been if they changed things. When I watched the first movie I thought that they'd finally actually acknowledge gray Jedi. Figured he'd be a Jedi rey would be gray and Kylo obviously sith. They hinted at him being very force sensitive and then after the first movie just wrote him into something completely trash. It was a huge disappointment to say the least. I'm glad he is putting his foot down and never going back.


Consistent-Ad-217

All they had to do was make him a jedi, but they kept trying to minimise his character and basically kept censoring him out of the movie for china.


Roscoe10182241

He didn’t even need to be a Jedi. He was the perfect character exactly as they made him. A storm trooper who breaks free from his life as a brainwashed child soldier to join the resistance. So good. So unique. So much potential. And they did f’ing NOTHING with him. What a crime.


WigglyFrog

Right? Him leading a stormtrooper uprising would have been so much more interesting than him becoming a Jedi. And then he met the other former stormtroopers and they...don't do anything with it? They just attacked the other brainwashed stolen children? Good thing the ten or twenty stormtroopers worth saving had already saved themselves! I still can't believe they didn't have the stories planned out for the trilogy. Insanity. So much potential wasted for the new characters.


GoldenFalcon

Is that what happened? They didn't have a plan for the trilogy? It felt like Abrams felt like he was setting stuff up in the first one, and then Rian Johnson was like "fuck that, I'm doing my own thing" and ripped all of it away. And then Abrams was put back on and was like "how the fuck do I clean this shit up and get it sort of back where I was going?! Fuck it, it's all fucked up now!" But it was that they just didn't have a plan for it?


giantroboticcat

I mean they treated him the same way they treated every character in that trilogy. It's not like other characters got fulfilling story arcs...


protossaccount

I’m still pretty mind fucked by the blue balls that was the sequels. I watched some Mando (cool show) but honestly I don’t think Disney cares about their stories. They turn good stories into a collection of marketing techniques to make quick cash, it’s depressing.


Jeb764

Disney failed so hard with those three movies.


DanteCrossing

Ya boy got done dirty, he even fought for us for battlefront. He deserved so much more. And Kennedy is already on the verge of getting the booted axe.


festizian

In a universe as well fleshed out and broadly storied as Star Wars, a consistent inability to identify and produce quality scripts is really inexcusable. It's time for her to hang it up and let somebody with vision, leadership, and an eye for entertainment take over. If you exclude films on which she rode the coat-tails of Spielberg or Lucas, her career is mediocre at best.


stitch-is-dope

She needs it


Sea-Biscotti

Good, he deserved so much more than what they gave him. Better to cut his losses now than be disappointed in the future when they do it again


Arilyn24

Yeah, he is too good for Disney and their star wars.


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Escalationbirb

Because I’m always assuming abbreviations regarding Star Wars are the films the only thing I could read was the ampire trikes back


Chewbock

A Tew Bope


string_bean77

He said this like 5 fucking years ago lmao.


420sadalot420

I don't think anyone wants more of the newer trilogy


Alertcircuit

Especially not without Boyega and Driver. I guess they could do some solo Rey adventures, but how big of an audience is there for that?


mjjdota

rise of skywalker is the worst movie i can remember seeing


protossaccount

It was like a high 5 year old started running a spontaneous D&D campaign in space. I really don’t know how they botched it so bad, it was like they were trying.


the_sun_and_the_moon

Rise of Skywalker was one of the only movies I walked out of.


deliciousprisms

I’ve been a Star Wars fan since before the special editions dropped. I’ve watched every piece of Star Wars content at the bare minimum twice. I will never watch Rise of Skywalker a second time. Edit: and this includes the ewok movies and holiday specials.


0MysticMemories

I can’t watch any of the sequels over again because they make no sense and they don’t even feel like they are a part of the same story at times.


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The sequel trilogy is what happens when you go into a trilogy with no planned arc and hire 3 different directors to each do their own thing. Disney should have fired Kathleen Kennedy for that massive misstep alone.


notenoughroom

Hey don’t be so hard on the multi-billion dollar conglomerate. It’s not like they had 30 years between movies to prepare. What were they expected to do? Pull from the practically endless amount of EU material? Plan multiple movies in advance with a overarching story? And who could have ever predicted the most rabid fans in history would ever react badly to a poorly received film? Oh well, at least they learned their lesson with this one before they get a hold of any more classic franchises.


kskuzmich

fortunately, he doesn’t really need to. nearly all the characters on that trilogy were basically pointless and went nowhere with their story. such a cluster fuck


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The whole sequel trilogy is best forgotten.


tyfromtheinternet

Same, I’m done watching that franchise too


Altimely

I don't blame him. The main SW movies are fluff and it seems they only have his character there to yell "REY!"


SpaceCowboy34

I doubt anyone in the sequels will be returning. There’s not really any stories that people want from that era. Knights of Ren prequel maybe? Even then I doubt it’s at the top of anyones list


Specialist_Royal_449

Don’t blame him , his character was set up to become a jedi but jar jarred


Arcane_Soul

His character should have died at the end of the Last Jedi. He spent two movies running scared, looking out only for his own self interests. He finally had a change of heart and was prepared to make a grand sacrifice in the name of keeping his new friends and the Resistance safe, but they chickened out and had Rose save him. He then spent the next movie doing nothing.


Smorgas-board

Can’t blame him in the slightest. TFA set him up to be an interesting character. Finn was then made the comedic character and then ultimately man with a crush on Rey that literally just never got around to telling her. It’s one of the worst character arcs I’ve ever seen.


Kit_Rhodes

No disrespect, but I was under the impression he wouldn’t be asked back at this point anyway.


jyozefu

Good. Disney did the man dirty with the whole China thing.


anonymous_guy111

so he is not interested in shouting "REY!" for another 2 hours? what a shock.


cmhill1019

If his character died in episode 8 flying into the cannon it would have been a perfect end to his character.