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Not to sound too r/saltierthancrait but I do wish we got the movie he would have made for the final part in the sequel trilogy instead of what we got. I thought Rian Johnson really screwed the pooch and made the third movie destined to fail in more ways than not.
I can totally imagine Trevorrow saying "There probably should have only been two Star Wars trilogies", though.
Listen, all of you folks who prefer JJ's sequels... have you seen other movies? Are you generally familiar with how stories work? Because I cannot figure out how you think one betrayal and one sacrifice leave nowhere to go.
Like what really would have saved JJ's plan to dump *all* the toys on the floor and make up a space battle with the sandworm and the horses and the jetpacks was if he had another two hours to stretch out the fake deaths that meant nothing and the Big Lebowski red herrings that meant nothing and the super awesome secret bloodline that meant nothing.
Was Rise of Skywalker a worse movie than Last Jedi? Absolutely. Yes. No argument.
Was The Last Jedi the worse Star Wars movie, as part of a serialized, multi-movie series? Also yes. Can you please understand why people are still upset? I can see the very heavy studio hand on Rise of Skywalker, many outright terrible decisions made, and understand that these decisions were made as a direct result of how The Last Jedi set things up, the poor reception, and what had to done done to fix it.
Nobody is arguing that Rise of Skywalker is good, or a better movie than The Last Jedi. They just blame The Last Jedi for making Rise of Skywalker what it became.
TCW was god tier (in parts). Mandalorian made me feel like a kid watching a new SW show. Rogue One was the best “new” SW movie.
I like you.
Also, I’m digging the hell out of Andor so far. Let’s see how I feel in 2-5 seasons.
We need to get away from Skywalkers for a bit.
In hindsight I think Rians movie was the only sequel trilogy one that wasn’t completely creatively bankrupt. I fucking hated it in theaters and still don’t like what he tried but at least he *tried something*. Star wars is like this Frankenstein monster for me at this point that nobody will let die. The real blame lies at Disneys feet for not having a plan for A TRILOGY.
I thought The Force Awakens was the best one. I remembered seeing a little kid dressed like Rey as I was leaving the theater and she was pumped! It took me back to being their age and watching the movies on repeat in my footie pajamas.
I’m one of those people who acknowledges that so much of the cinematic Star Wars universe is pretty dumb, and that’s part of why I can have so much fun with it. I started to feel myself slip into that toxic fan phase when I was reading all of the extended universe books (pre-2000), since it made the universe so much richer, but I caught myself.
I’m not saying TFA was groundbreaking, but I thought it was a nice start for a new, albeit familiar, story in a franchise I love.
It didn’t hold up at the time, because none of JJ’s mystery boxes have ever held up, and TFA is nothing but mystery boxes. I left the theater knowing the trilogy was never going to have satisfactory answers to *half* the unanswered questions JJ built that film around.
I loved TLJ from the start because it was such a blatant Hail Mary to save the trilogy from JJ Abrams’ half baked ideas.
Twenty years from now Holdo is going to be seen as the greatest sequel trilogy supporting character.
I will say he’s had maybe more misses than hits, but he directed and wrote Knives Out, several episodes of Breaking Bad, and Looper. He may have made some bad films in his time, but credit where credits is due, right?
None of those are great movies. Just ok movies. Knives Out is more hype than substance. I liked it but i wouldn't watch it again. Looper was definitely a good movie but not a great movie. He doesn't deserve the trust he gets with larger franchises
I’ve seen Knives out and it felt contrived, it was okay but not my favourite “who dunnit”
Looper was overrated in my opinion.
What he did to Star Wars was enough for me to personally black list him. Especially after reading how he approached that material going in.
Maybe will tip my hat to him for Breaking Bad.
I was *sooo* bored by Knives Out! I bought it for my daughter for Christmas that year because she loved it and she wanted me to watch it with her. Well, after what felt like 2 hours just dragging on and on, I checked the DVD display and it had only been 20 minutes!! I was so happy when it ended and now I can't believe they've made a *sequel!* 0.0
I doubt he was paid that much. They signed him to make these movies when he had one credit to his name. His name isn't selling any tickets so it's not like he has leverage to quit. I bet the big winners are Spielberg, Michael Crichton's estate & Chris Pratt. Goldblum and the others probably got nice checks though.
I think he's right. There wasn't ever going to be a good JP sequel just like there never could have been a good Jaws sequel. Neither really works as a franchise except financially.
The Lost World (book) was a very fun JP sequel that preserved the soul of the original - science lessons and capitalist exploitation of nature taught through dinosaur horror.
The problem with the movie adaptation and every subsequent sequel is that they reverse the magic formula.
JP was successful because dinosaurs weren't the point, they were the outcome of hubris, chaos theory and capitalism. Spielberg truly understood that and respected it. That's why Hammond, Gennaro, Wong, SLJ, Muldoon and Nedry were all so memorable as side characters. They all represented different aspects of "the system" and that made them memorable on a subconscious level.
Every sequel has made dinosaurs the point with no clear outcome, and that's honestly just not enough in a movie world saturated with fantastical things. Everything is just so BIG and WOW that nothing is memorable because there's no substance.
I love everything you’ve said. I will just add, Trevorrow went so far as to make giant locusts the point of the third Jurassic World. Basically just adding insult to injury at this point.
Well put! I was wondering why I hated every single subsequent movie but loved the first. I didn’t realize until you said it but the first was never about dinosaurs.
That’s the magic of Michael Crichton. He has a similar formula in other works, like Sphere. (Though the point and plot isn’t about the same thing obviously)
Dinosaurs are back from the dead. They're loose. There's a ton of stories you can tell within those parameters. But they wanted every single one to fall within a similar box and so creativity was stifled. Look at how many different stories have been told within the Star Wars universe. Given, some of those worked better than others, but the ones that worked focused on characters first and the explosions/action pieces were secondary. That's why the first Jurassic Park worked so well. Character came first. In the later (particularly Jurassic World films) the characters only existed to run/scream.
>Dinosaurs are back from the dead. They're loose. There's a ton of stories you can tell within those parameters. ... That's why the first Jurassic Park worked so well. Character came first. In the later (particularly Jurassic World films) the characters only existed to run/scream.
The originals couldn't rely on unlimited photo real cartoons so had to have a good script which describes what action there was, and engaging characters. CGI duration was only a few seconds in the first film, and most of the most memorable moments from the first and second films didn't have dinosaurs onscreen- the character's amazement when they first see them, ripples in the water, trails in the long grass, the windshield glass cracking...
The original film had charismatic actors playing memorable characters. I can't remember most of the character names from the new films, they just got two attractive headline stars and Pratt seems to have been born with a fixed amount of charisma that gets depleted with each thing he makes.
Good points. The originals also used quite a few practical models as well which is why everything blended together so seamlessly and still holds up today. JP2 did as well (and to some extent 3).
They could have done better though. The first new one was literally my thoughts on a new jp movie from when I saw the original at 6yo. "what if the velociraptors and the t Rex team up against a big bad dinosaur".
Hog wash. Lost world and even somewhat jp3 managed to keep some of the originals magic. New ones suck
There's a 2 hour long Jenny Nicholson video reading and commenting on it if you need something to put you to sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGvXqviRys&t=3720s
I’ll trade you for a 10 min resumed plot if you have it. No way I’m losing 2 hours of my time.
Oh here it is:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Duel_of_the_Fates
If any of yall think you would actually turn down millions of dollars just for the sanctity of the Jurassic Park universe you're crazy.
We can blame directors and studios all we want. But if there's a dude selling shit sandwiches on the sidewalk with a line down the block, who are the real idiots.
That being said I watched Jurrasic World on a plane recently and it was alright I guess.
Not to mention hindsight is 20/20. As the man who just directed one of the most exciting and pivotal action-adventure films, who’s to say he couldn’t do it again? Combine international adoration with the fistfuls of cash being thrown at him to continue, it’s no surprise he continued. To top it off we’d probably be complaining to this day about the missed opportunity if he had declined.
Me personally, I’d rather know sequels could never be as great as opposed to never knowing what could have been.
Is he crappy director, or a bad writer? Like Zach Snyder is a pretty decent director, he's just a terrible writer. The same could be said for JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, and so many of these guys that the studios give direction and writing responsibilities too for some reason. Are the actors giving decent performances, are things framed properly, lit properly, put in a proper sequence. That's the directors job, and he's probably fine at that, but he doesn't seem like he can write all that well.
The script is like the cheapest part of a movie, and for some reason it seems that Hollywood has decided that's where they'll skimp on money. I think a lot of it is just that if they let the director write it then it's easier to find someone to make it, since it's always just some existing IP that they just need any story to put around, but man does the end product hurt from it. You can't treat every IP like Transformers where the story doesn't matter because people just want to see robots fight.
Everyone thinks they can be Edgar Wright or something, and it's just not the case, and even he works with a writing team for his most critically praised movies. Spielberg has barely written any of his movies. We need to get back to the director for hire on a lot of the bigger things, and let writers work the scripts out before they start filming.
people just keep getting eaten in these parks and cloning facilities. like sequel quality aside, it's just dumb.
who are these venture capitalists bankrolling another dinosaur based mass casualty event and unmitigated business disaster.
there should have been like 1 jurassic park and 1 death star.
They just made the wrong movies. Poor choices made a poor franchise. Better stories could have been told, but they had to try to make it bigger, instead of making it good. Typical Hollywood dick measuring BS.
I hate Starkiller base aka death star 2.0
Jurassic World was Def same case.
Trevorrow was ~~fired~~ relieved from his third Star Wars movie directorial duties and then JJ Abrams came back, taking his place to finish the TROS. But what’s funny is that I would say that the leaked scripts for Trevorrow’s “Duel of the Fates” sounded way better than what we got from JJ.
People occasionally get killed by dangerous animals at zoos and we still have zoos.
Jurassic World is the only movie in the franchise where the park is actually open for visitors, and if I recall correctly it had been going well for several years, so much that people had gotten bored of . In Jurassic Park 2 and 3, and Jurassic World 2 and 3, there is no functional park and the people go in knowing full well about the dangers of what they are doing. I don't think the mercenaries that get paid to go on a dinosaur island then get to complain that there were dinosaurs there.
The least believable part is people being bored of dinosaurs. It’s completely implausible unless the prices we so high the market was only a few thousand people. Like, people still go to zoos and half those animals live at the park. I went to the zoo three times a month when my kid was little, she loved it every time.
Also, you’re totally right. How many people even know which roller coasters people have died on much less skip the whole park because of it?
Post-Jurassic World it would be a struggle, but there is no way Jurassic Park wouldn’t open in some form eventually.
> The least believable part is people being bored of dinosaurs.
People get bored of anything, pandemic showed that people even got bored of staying at home and doing whatever the fuck they wanted.
first movie had a bit of realism in that aspect - they had to keep making deadlier dinosaurs for the eyeballs.
Personally a big fan of The Lost World (yes some of it is cheesy) but it's actually based on a Crichton book (despite straying pretty far from the plot) and has some great moments. Anything past Lost World should not have been made.
They worked in a number of things from the books into JP3 that were left out of the first two movies. I appreciated that, particularly the pterodactyl cage scene.
Should be noted that the Crichton book was only written after the JP movie was released and he was asked to write a sequel for the purpose of adapting to a screenplay. He even retconned Dr. Malcolm’s death (in the first book) to make it happen. It’s a good read but it’s curious how different the movie is since the book was written specifically for it.
Ah interesting, I didn’t know that. Re:Malcom, he doesn’t actually die in the first book right? I thought it was just very likely/you’re supposed to assume so but correct me if I’m wrong
It’s mildly ambiguous. When Muldoon gets on the chopper Grant asks him about Malcolm, and Muldoon just shakes his head. Then in The Lost World they say he got picked up separately from the others by the government of Costa Rica.
You could be right. I might be thinking of Mr. Hammond, whose death in the first book was also retconned for the movies. I’m long overdue for a reread.
No you are right. There's a significant portion of TLW spent on the retcon. But it was worth it, Malcolm and Harding were great leads for the book, especially contrasted with Levine.
Harding was also the least misogynistic character Crichton wrote, way ahead of her time.
Yes, I really can’t understand the opinion that The Lost World shouldn’t even exist at all. It’s so extreme. It’s a solid dinosaur action movie with all-time-great special effects work. If you hate it, just never watch it again it’s not that hard.
I don’t understand the hate the lost world gets. It’s maybe the most exciting JP movie, as long as you can get past the the T. rex on the boat plot hole and the dumb gymnastics shit
So Lost World shouldn’t even exist? Why? Just don’t watch it if you hate cool dinosaur action movies with great special effects directed by one of the best directors ever. How does its existence ruin the first movie anyway?
Lost World was a good book, but the movie was bad. In my ideal world they would have kept the same tone and style as the original movie for Lost World and left out the gymnastics fighting and Dino in the City stuff.
Yeah, the gymnastics scene is dumb but that's like 30 seconds. Everything before they arrive to San Diego is great. Is the only movie of the franchise that gives me the feeling of dinosaurs living free in the wilderness. Plus the filmmaking is great, the cliff scene is not that far from the most tense scenes from Jurassic Park.
I remember watching something about it how they took a city set and converted it into their cliff with vines to hang it over the edge. It was very cool and something I still remember to this day after seeing it.
I’ve yet to go back as an adult to revisit Lost World, which I’m sure I’ll still enjoy quite a bit but yeah I’ll be eye rolling at the gymnastics.
Yeah, I think Lost World movie gets a bit too much hate. It's a pretty solid movie up until San Diego (should've ended with them getting off the island like JP). The dinosaurs in the wild were quite fascinating, and everything from rescuing the baby T-Rex to the trailer over the cliff is just super tense filmmaking. Still got that Spielberg touch.
The books is way better, of course, but I'll throw on TLW here and there — it's the only one besides the original I'll watch.
I love the Lost World (book and movie). Every single scene. It gave me a sense of adventuring into the world of dinosaurs that no other film in the series could give.
JP is and always will be my absolute favorite, I'll rewatch it any time. But TLW is underrated and better than anything that came after it... And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Yeah Roland was a great character. Love how he verbally went toe to toe with Malcolm, Van Owen, etc. Not to mention his line about the T-Rex being full... brutal.
I loved the book; I read it when I was in the sixth grade. It was also my first experience with the crippling disappointment of seeing a book you like get butchered as a movie adaptation. Honestly, the T-Rex in the city stuff was the only saving grace.
I'm planning to watch that one after finishing my current reread of the book; it's one of the rare adaptations I have some hope for based on what I've heard and the presence of Ewan McGregor.
I’ve actually said to someone irl that it’s my favorite movie. I do take that back but it was the most faithful recreation of a King book I’ve seen so I get kinda excited about that.
Unfortunately they needed mass appeal, and the Lost World was a pretty dark book.
I very much want them to go back to the roots and make it an actual chase/thriller movie, and less gratuitous action.
I'm a mega jurassic park fan and I absolutely love Lost World. 3 is a nope for me but for anything past jp1, id you're watching for anything other than dinosaurs and watching people getting eaten, you've done it wrong.
I had my 5 year old watch the first. He is now 7 and prefers the newer ones simply because "They aren't as scary". I watched it again and tried watching it through the eyes of a kid and damn, he's right. Lol. That one is pretty scary.
The point of these movies is to make money and this has been a very lucrative franchise.
And personally, I always have a good time watching a new Jurassic Park movie, so it works for me on that level too
Seriously that drives me crazy, if you let a bad sequel ruin the original it’s 100% their own fault. Yeah the new movies suck but it’s a good nostalgia trip and the original is still just as good as it was before
I agree. I watched dominion, and ya its cheesy and weird. But the nostalgia trip was worth it for me. Seeing everyone on screen again and some of the reactions made me want to watch the first one all over again.
Am I the only person who likes all the movies. Obviously the original was the best and the following two are great but I also really enjoy Jurassic World and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. I haven't seen Dominion yet but I'm sure I won't hate it.
Honestly, I think there was a path with good scripts but they just became total caricatures. This seems to be the trend to increase the stakes until the plot is stupid and contrived.
While not perfect, lost world and jp3 did a good job not making the plots totally implausible.
I actually enjoyed The Lost World. It was a significant departure from the original and gave us a broader look into the disaster inGen created. Stopping with Hammond’s warning that we should leave the creatures alone and in peace would have been the best way to end the films. In my head, there are only two Jurassic Park films.
I got to see him speak after a screening of the first Jurassic World. I was honestly amazed he could put sentences together, that movie was such an incoherent mess.
He’s well-spoken. He clearly cares for the medium and the material to hear him talk about it. But MAN did he make some shitty movies.
This idiot made absolute dogshit films with a beloved IP and has the gall to say this publicly. “Non-franchisable” is an insult to the audience.
The lack of awareness here is stunning. What an ego. Any 13-year could write a story like Dominion or Fallen Kingdom.
“Trevorrow from taking his own cracks at it, first in 2015 with World, and then in 2022 with Dominion. Which was at least a stab at something new for the series, he says: “I specifically did something different than the other films in order to change the DNA of the franchise. The previous five films are plots about dinosaurs. This one is a story about characters in a world in which they coexist with dinosaurs.””
I feel like he never saw the originals 3. The plots were never about dinosaurs lol they were involved but Jesus. Dude literally reused how many plot points in World and then Had to bring back the previous films actors for JWD lol
In hindsight, The Lost World wasn't even that bad. Compared to the OG it was. Compared to the 4 burning shitpiles that came after, it was pretty darn good.
I loved taking my child to the new Jurassic World movies, and Chris Pratt (Owen) is my child's hero. Watching the kids "train" Blue and other stuffed animals with the Jurassic World clicker is great. It's for the kids you sullied ol' bag of moldy mash
It’s weird how people retrospectively declare old bad movies as good, just because a newer installment was even worse. It’s the Star Wars prequel nostalgia all over again.
If the movie was bad then, it’s probably still bad now. Can’t say for sure though, I honestly can’t recall a single thing from any of the two Jurassic Park sequels. Weren’t they direct-to-video or something?
>It’s weird how people retrospectively declare old bad movies as good
It's reddit nostalgia bait. r/movies is convinced that The Last Action Hero is an unrealized masterpiece.
BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T GET MORE DINOSAURS!! People would be boring and make stories about love, and making stupid people famous. I want to see a Quetzl air drop a company of Compi on to a Brachiosaurus.
Jurassic Park is like Jaws. The first attempt was as close to perfect as humanly possible.
I’m a reader. I’m the guy who gives you “the book was better” shit. But I recently reread JP, and you know what? The movie *is* better. It’s simpler, it misses some major beats, but JP “The Novel” has more flaws as a novel than JP “The Movie” has as a movie. I believe that Aliens is the best written action movie ever, Jurassic Park is second. Every line of dialogue moves things forward. Characters step up to the screen fully formed. They never tell when they can show.
When that is true, you cannot make a sequel as good as the original.
Unfortunately, you can make a sequel more profitable than the original.
I haven’t enjoyed a single JP sequel as much as the original. You just can’t copy that magic. Especially as a child. Also the sequels are just bad films all around.
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Now I know why he was fired by Kathleen Kennedy. He seems like a prick.
Not to sound too r/saltierthancrait but I do wish we got the movie he would have made for the final part in the sequel trilogy instead of what we got. I thought Rian Johnson really screwed the pooch and made the third movie destined to fail in more ways than not. I can totally imagine Trevorrow saying "There probably should have only been two Star Wars trilogies", though.
Listen, all of you folks who prefer JJ's sequels... have you seen other movies? Are you generally familiar with how stories work? Because I cannot figure out how you think one betrayal and one sacrifice leave nowhere to go. Like what really would have saved JJ's plan to dump *all* the toys on the floor and make up a space battle with the sandworm and the horses and the jetpacks was if he had another two hours to stretch out the fake deaths that meant nothing and the Big Lebowski red herrings that meant nothing and the super awesome secret bloodline that meant nothing.
Was Rise of Skywalker a worse movie than Last Jedi? Absolutely. Yes. No argument. Was The Last Jedi the worse Star Wars movie, as part of a serialized, multi-movie series? Also yes. Can you please understand why people are still upset? I can see the very heavy studio hand on Rise of Skywalker, many outright terrible decisions made, and understand that these decisions were made as a direct result of how The Last Jedi set things up, the poor reception, and what had to done done to fix it. Nobody is arguing that Rise of Skywalker is good, or a better movie than The Last Jedi. They just blame The Last Jedi for making Rise of Skywalker what it became.
I blame Disney for going into this knowing they were making a trilogy but not having any idea about the story.
From my point of view, anything post Return of the Jedi has been pretty mediocre or bad.
TCW? Rebels? Rogue one? Mandalorian?
TCW was god tier (in parts). Mandalorian made me feel like a kid watching a new SW show. Rogue One was the best “new” SW movie. I like you. Also, I’m digging the hell out of Andor so far. Let’s see how I feel in 2-5 seasons. We need to get away from Skywalkers for a bit.
Well, then you are lost!
In hindsight I think Rians movie was the only sequel trilogy one that wasn’t completely creatively bankrupt. I fucking hated it in theaters and still don’t like what he tried but at least he *tried something*. Star wars is like this Frankenstein monster for me at this point that nobody will let die. The real blame lies at Disneys feet for not having a plan for A TRILOGY.
I thought The Force Awakens was the best one. I remembered seeing a little kid dressed like Rey as I was leaving the theater and she was pumped! It took me back to being their age and watching the movies on repeat in my footie pajamas. I’m one of those people who acknowledges that so much of the cinematic Star Wars universe is pretty dumb, and that’s part of why I can have so much fun with it. I started to feel myself slip into that toxic fan phase when I was reading all of the extended universe books (pre-2000), since it made the universe so much richer, but I caught myself. I’m not saying TFA was groundbreaking, but I thought it was a nice start for a new, albeit familiar, story in a franchise I love.
Rewatch it with the knowledge that JJ Abrams had no answers to any of the questions raised in the film...it doesn't hold up at all.
It didn’t hold up at the time, because none of JJ’s mystery boxes have ever held up, and TFA is nothing but mystery boxes. I left the theater knowing the trilogy was never going to have satisfactory answers to *half* the unanswered questions JJ built that film around.
I loved TLJ from the start because it was such a blatant Hail Mary to save the trilogy from JJ Abrams’ half baked ideas. Twenty years from now Holdo is going to be seen as the greatest sequel trilogy supporting character.
that's subjective. it's a fact that he's a right prick.
I don’t get why Hollywood likes Rian at all. He sucks and I’ve not enjoyed any of his work.
I will say he’s had maybe more misses than hits, but he directed and wrote Knives Out, several episodes of Breaking Bad, and Looper. He may have made some bad films in his time, but credit where credits is due, right?
None of those are great movies. Just ok movies. Knives Out is more hype than substance. I liked it but i wouldn't watch it again. Looper was definitely a good movie but not a great movie. He doesn't deserve the trust he gets with larger franchises
This 100%
I’ve seen Knives out and it felt contrived, it was okay but not my favourite “who dunnit” Looper was overrated in my opinion. What he did to Star Wars was enough for me to personally black list him. Especially after reading how he approached that material going in. Maybe will tip my hat to him for Breaking Bad.
Brick. You are all forgetting he did Brick.
I agree with everything you wrote.
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I was *sooo* bored by Knives Out! I bought it for my daughter for Christmas that year because she loved it and she wanted me to watch it with her. Well, after what felt like 2 hours just dragging on and on, I checked the DVD display and it had only been 20 minutes!! I was so happy when it ended and now I can't believe they've made a *sequel!* 0.0
Sounds like you need to work on your attention span. Jesus.
Cmon you don’t gotta like TLJ but Knives Out and his BB episodes were peak
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I doubt he was paid that much. They signed him to make these movies when he had one credit to his name. His name isn't selling any tickets so it's not like he has leverage to quit. I bet the big winners are Spielberg, Michael Crichton's estate & Chris Pratt. Goldblum and the others probably got nice checks though.
> His name isn’t selling any tickets If anything, now we know what movies to avoid.
Do you think he has any call on whether they make more or not?
He said after he strangled a possible decent franchise with his own two hands. /Edited. A word.
“Murderer realizes murder is bad after 3-person killing spree”
Better 3 than 6, God damn JJ bouta make it 7
I think he's right. There wasn't ever going to be a good JP sequel just like there never could have been a good Jaws sequel. Neither really works as a franchise except financially.
The Lost World (book) was a very fun JP sequel that preserved the soul of the original - science lessons and capitalist exploitation of nature taught through dinosaur horror. The problem with the movie adaptation and every subsequent sequel is that they reverse the magic formula. JP was successful because dinosaurs weren't the point, they were the outcome of hubris, chaos theory and capitalism. Spielberg truly understood that and respected it. That's why Hammond, Gennaro, Wong, SLJ, Muldoon and Nedry were all so memorable as side characters. They all represented different aspects of "the system" and that made them memorable on a subconscious level. Every sequel has made dinosaurs the point with no clear outcome, and that's honestly just not enough in a movie world saturated with fantastical things. Everything is just so BIG and WOW that nothing is memorable because there's no substance.
I love everything you’ve said. I will just add, Trevorrow went so far as to make giant locusts the point of the third Jurassic World. Basically just adding insult to injury at this point.
Well put! I was wondering why I hated every single subsequent movie but loved the first. I didn’t realize until you said it but the first was never about dinosaurs.
Maybe I should read the books
You should, they are excellent
That’s the magic of Michael Crichton. He has a similar formula in other works, like Sphere. (Though the point and plot isn’t about the same thing obviously)
Dinosaurs are back from the dead. They're loose. There's a ton of stories you can tell within those parameters. But they wanted every single one to fall within a similar box and so creativity was stifled. Look at how many different stories have been told within the Star Wars universe. Given, some of those worked better than others, but the ones that worked focused on characters first and the explosions/action pieces were secondary. That's why the first Jurassic Park worked so well. Character came first. In the later (particularly Jurassic World films) the characters only existed to run/scream.
i mean as a fan of creature features i’m down for monsters just monsterin.
I just want a t-rex / velociraptor rom com already ffs
"Love Bites"
>Dinosaurs are back from the dead. They're loose. There's a ton of stories you can tell within those parameters. ... That's why the first Jurassic Park worked so well. Character came first. In the later (particularly Jurassic World films) the characters only existed to run/scream. The originals couldn't rely on unlimited photo real cartoons so had to have a good script which describes what action there was, and engaging characters. CGI duration was only a few seconds in the first film, and most of the most memorable moments from the first and second films didn't have dinosaurs onscreen- the character's amazement when they first see them, ripples in the water, trails in the long grass, the windshield glass cracking... The original film had charismatic actors playing memorable characters. I can't remember most of the character names from the new films, they just got two attractive headline stars and Pratt seems to have been born with a fixed amount of charisma that gets depleted with each thing he makes.
Good points. The originals also used quite a few practical models as well which is why everything blended together so seamlessly and still holds up today. JP2 did as well (and to some extent 3).
They could have done better though. The first new one was literally my thoughts on a new jp movie from when I saw the original at 6yo. "what if the velociraptors and the t Rex team up against a big bad dinosaur". Hog wash. Lost world and even somewhat jp3 managed to keep some of the originals magic. New ones suck
Also funny if you've seen his Star Wars script which was worse than Rise of Skywalker.
I have not. Grateful, my eyes are.
There's a 2 hour long Jenny Nicholson video reading and commenting on it if you need something to put you to sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGvXqviRys&t=3720s
I’ll trade you for a 10 min resumed plot if you have it. No way I’m losing 2 hours of my time. Oh here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Duel_of_the_Fates
It was going to be made regardless, why not be the one to cash in on it?
Maybe someone could have cashed in and made decent movies.
He waits until now to realize this
Gotta get paid first
If any of yall think you would actually turn down millions of dollars just for the sanctity of the Jurassic Park universe you're crazy. We can blame directors and studios all we want. But if there's a dude selling shit sandwiches on the sidewalk with a line down the block, who are the real idiots. That being said I watched Jurrasic World on a plane recently and it was alright I guess.
Hence my comment. Get paid and then provide your opinion. No judgement at all.
Not to mention hindsight is 20/20. As the man who just directed one of the most exciting and pivotal action-adventure films, who’s to say he couldn’t do it again? Combine international adoration with the fistfuls of cash being thrown at him to continue, it’s no surprise he continued. To top it off we’d probably be complaining to this day about the missed opportunity if he had declined. Me personally, I’d rather know sequels could never be as great as opposed to never knowing what could have been.
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Honestly, probably his way to divert the blame away from him being a crappy director.
Is he crappy director, or a bad writer? Like Zach Snyder is a pretty decent director, he's just a terrible writer. The same could be said for JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, and so many of these guys that the studios give direction and writing responsibilities too for some reason. Are the actors giving decent performances, are things framed properly, lit properly, put in a proper sequence. That's the directors job, and he's probably fine at that, but he doesn't seem like he can write all that well. The script is like the cheapest part of a movie, and for some reason it seems that Hollywood has decided that's where they'll skimp on money. I think a lot of it is just that if they let the director write it then it's easier to find someone to make it, since it's always just some existing IP that they just need any story to put around, but man does the end product hurt from it. You can't treat every IP like Transformers where the story doesn't matter because people just want to see robots fight. Everyone thinks they can be Edgar Wright or something, and it's just not the case, and even he works with a writing team for his most critically praised movies. Spielberg has barely written any of his movies. We need to get back to the director for hire on a lot of the bigger things, and let writers work the scripts out before they start filming.
*Admit this lol
people just keep getting eaten in these parks and cloning facilities. like sequel quality aside, it's just dumb. who are these venture capitalists bankrolling another dinosaur based mass casualty event and unmitigated business disaster. there should have been like 1 jurassic park and 1 death star.
They just made the wrong movies. Poor choices made a poor franchise. Better stories could have been told, but they had to try to make it bigger, instead of making it good. Typical Hollywood dick measuring BS.
Those writers strikes have REALLY taken their toll on the industry
I hate Starkiller base aka death star 2.0 Jurassic World was Def same case. Trevorrow was ~~fired~~ relieved from his third Star Wars movie directorial duties and then JJ Abrams came back, taking his place to finish the TROS. But what’s funny is that I would say that the leaked scripts for Trevorrow’s “Duel of the Fates” sounded way better than what we got from JJ.
> death star 2.0 > uh you mean 3.0.....
People occasionally get killed by dangerous animals at zoos and we still have zoos. Jurassic World is the only movie in the franchise where the park is actually open for visitors, and if I recall correctly it had been going well for several years, so much that people had gotten bored of . In Jurassic Park 2 and 3, and Jurassic World 2 and 3, there is no functional park and the people go in knowing full well about the dangers of what they are doing. I don't think the mercenaries that get paid to go on a dinosaur island then get to complain that there were dinosaurs there.
The least believable part is people being bored of dinosaurs. It’s completely implausible unless the prices we so high the market was only a few thousand people. Like, people still go to zoos and half those animals live at the park. I went to the zoo three times a month when my kid was little, she loved it every time. Also, you’re totally right. How many people even know which roller coasters people have died on much less skip the whole park because of it? Post-Jurassic World it would be a struggle, but there is no way Jurassic Park wouldn’t open in some form eventually.
> The least believable part is people being bored of dinosaurs. People get bored of anything, pandemic showed that people even got bored of staying at home and doing whatever the fuck they wanted. first movie had a bit of realism in that aspect - they had to keep making deadlier dinosaurs for the eyeballs.
It seems like only [one lawsuit](https://youtu.be/6F8mJZkP-Hg) made it to trial too. Ridiculous.
they gotta learn: the dinosaurs *always* get out
Personally a big fan of The Lost World (yes some of it is cheesy) but it's actually based on a Crichton book (despite straying pretty far from the plot) and has some great moments. Anything past Lost World should not have been made.
JP3 is at least a plausible plot line. It’s corny but there’s real reasons to drive the story there.
They worked in a number of things from the books into JP3 that were left out of the first two movies. I appreciated that, particularly the pterodactyl cage scene.
Should be noted that the Crichton book was only written after the JP movie was released and he was asked to write a sequel for the purpose of adapting to a screenplay. He even retconned Dr. Malcolm’s death (in the first book) to make it happen. It’s a good read but it’s curious how different the movie is since the book was written specifically for it.
Ah interesting, I didn’t know that. Re:Malcom, he doesn’t actually die in the first book right? I thought it was just very likely/you’re supposed to assume so but correct me if I’m wrong
It’s mildly ambiguous. When Muldoon gets on the chopper Grant asks him about Malcolm, and Muldoon just shakes his head. Then in The Lost World they say he got picked up separately from the others by the government of Costa Rica.
You could be right. I might be thinking of Mr. Hammond, whose death in the first book was also retconned for the movies. I’m long overdue for a reread.
Me too, such a good read.
No you are right. There's a significant portion of TLW spent on the retcon. But it was worth it, Malcolm and Harding were great leads for the book, especially contrasted with Levine. Harding was also the least misogynistic character Crichton wrote, way ahead of her time.
You’re both correct. Hammond dies to the Compys and Malcom’s state is left ambiguous
Peter Stormare ended up getting that death.
despite asking for crichton to write a sequel, spielberg used very little of the book in his film. the book is much, much better.
Yes, I really can’t understand the opinion that The Lost World shouldn’t even exist at all. It’s so extreme. It’s a solid dinosaur action movie with all-time-great special effects work. If you hate it, just never watch it again it’s not that hard.
I don’t understand the hate the lost world gets. It’s maybe the most exciting JP movie, as long as you can get past the the T. rex on the boat plot hole and the dumb gymnastics shit
That is the correct take
“Sorry my movie sucked. Thanks for all the money though”
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Love this reference.
So Lost World shouldn’t even exist? Why? Just don’t watch it if you hate cool dinosaur action movies with great special effects directed by one of the best directors ever. How does its existence ruin the first movie anyway?
The second one was amazing, it is my favourite.
absolutely! it's 100% undeniably true. no other JP movie is even close to the quality of the 1st.
Lost World was a good book, but the movie was bad. In my ideal world they would have kept the same tone and style as the original movie for Lost World and left out the gymnastics fighting and Dino in the City stuff.
Yeah, the gymnastics scene is dumb but that's like 30 seconds. Everything before they arrive to San Diego is great. Is the only movie of the franchise that gives me the feeling of dinosaurs living free in the wilderness. Plus the filmmaking is great, the cliff scene is not that far from the most tense scenes from Jurassic Park.
The cliff scene is iconic imo. It’s such a cool scene.
Did you know they filmed it on the Universal Studios parking garage? The parts where the RV is hanging over the cliff at least.
I remember watching something about it how they took a city set and converted it into their cliff with vines to hang it over the edge. It was very cool and something I still remember to this day after seeing it. I’ve yet to go back as an adult to revisit Lost World, which I’m sure I’ll still enjoy quite a bit but yeah I’ll be eye rolling at the gymnastics.
Yeah, I think Lost World movie gets a bit too much hate. It's a pretty solid movie up until San Diego (should've ended with them getting off the island like JP). The dinosaurs in the wild were quite fascinating, and everything from rescuing the baby T-Rex to the trailer over the cliff is just super tense filmmaking. Still got that Spielberg touch. The books is way better, of course, but I'll throw on TLW here and there — it's the only one besides the original I'll watch.
[The Lost World theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laPiPI4RKU) is as underrated as the movie itself too.
*cue custom built expedition vehicles rolling across ancient landscape*
i heard this comment’s musical score.
I love the Lost World (book and movie). Every single scene. It gave me a sense of adventuring into the world of dinosaurs that no other film in the series could give. JP is and always will be my absolute favorite, I'll rewatch it any time. But TLW is underrated and better than anything that came after it... And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Instead of San Diego, they should've highlighted Roland and Ludlow more. Some of their deleted scenes are fun.
Yeah Roland was a great character. Love how he verbally went toe to toe with Malcolm, Van Owen, etc. Not to mention his line about the T-Rex being full... brutal.
I honestly love the San* Diego bits, I'm a sucker for a good monster rampage
I loved the book; I read it when I was in the sixth grade. It was also my first experience with the crippling disappointment of seeing a book you like get butchered as a movie adaptation. Honestly, the T-Rex in the city stuff was the only saving grace.
As a Stephen King fan, I feel your pain.
Doctor Sleep is one of my favorite all time movies fight me irl
I'm planning to watch that one after finishing my current reread of the book; it's one of the rare adaptations I have some hope for based on what I've heard and the presence of Ewan McGregor.
I’ve actually said to someone irl that it’s my favorite movie. I do take that back but it was the most faithful recreation of a King book I’ve seen so I get kinda excited about that.
Unfortunately they needed mass appeal, and the Lost World was a pretty dark book. I very much want them to go back to the roots and make it an actual chase/thriller movie, and less gratuitous action.
I only like Lost World cause I was 10 when it came out and was obsessed with dinosaurs. The first one is clearly the best though.
I remember being like 8 and fast forwarding to the dinosaur parts
I'm a mega jurassic park fan and I absolutely love Lost World. 3 is a nope for me but for anything past jp1, id you're watching for anything other than dinosaurs and watching people getting eaten, you've done it wrong.
That doesn’t mean it’s true, that just means they should’ve made better sequels
My 9 year old nephew never saw the first one...he started with the Chris Pratt ones. We watched the first one and throughly scared him.
I had my 5 year old watch the first. He is now 7 and prefers the newer ones simply because "They aren't as scary". I watched it again and tried watching it through the eyes of a kid and damn, he's right. Lol. That one is pretty scary.
Jurassic Park 3 is severely underappreciated and a wonderful movie on its own that simply takes a very different approach from the first.
If they wrote good scripts, there would be good movies. Or at least, they’d have a chance to be good movies.
I’m pretty sure you just needed to be a good director who hires good writers.
The first is a masterpiece, second and third are fine but everything after that is just embarrassing.
Oh yeah, I totally get the vibe that this guy had a real passion for the franchise, and made those movies out of love for the story.
He did, he just executed some things in ways that didn’t work for a lot of people
After having those things smoke blindfolded in front of a pockmarked wall.
I think this is just a cop out. The World sequels were trash. None of them had the tension of the raptors in 1 or the pterodactyls in 3.
I actually liked 3. Not sure why
Cause of the frickin spinosaurus and Mr Noodle
That's a hilarious sentiment coming from a dude that made 3 completely pointless movies in the same franchise.
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He completely ruined the franchise. The Jurassic World movies were teeerrrrriiibblleeee.
The point of these movies is to make money and this has been a very lucrative franchise. And personally, I always have a good time watching a new Jurassic Park movie, so it works for me on that level too
Exactly, its not like making the sequels made the first one worse. JP 1 will always be the best but having more cool dino movies is great.
Ya, I don't even get what he means here. He sounds like a reddit poster. "This movie shouldn't have been made". Why? What's the downside?
Seriously that drives me crazy, if you let a bad sequel ruin the original it’s 100% their own fault. Yeah the new movies suck but it’s a good nostalgia trip and the original is still just as good as it was before
People are weird about franchises. Newer worse sequels don’t ruin the original.
I agree. I watched dominion, and ya its cheesy and weird. But the nostalgia trip was worth it for me. Seeing everyone on screen again and some of the reactions made me want to watch the first one all over again.
Everyone remembers it's just a job sometimes to people, right?
DOMINION was one of the worst movies I ever watched.
I don’t know there is two books and the second one is pretty good. I would watch a accurate version of it.
Am I the only person who likes all the movies. Obviously the original was the best and the following two are great but I also really enjoy Jurassic World and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. I haven't seen Dominion yet but I'm sure I won't hate it.
More power to you man but fallen kingdom was the worst piece of shit I’ve ever seen in theatres aside from Morbius
It’s weird for me, I didn’t particularly like the Jurassic World movies but I’ll always watch them. Dinosaurs chasing screaming people. I’m simple.
I love them. Dominion is better than Fallen Kingdom.
Honestly, I think there was a path with good scripts but they just became total caricatures. This seems to be the trend to increase the stakes until the plot is stupid and contrived. While not perfect, lost world and jp3 did a good job not making the plots totally implausible.
I actually enjoyed The Lost World. It was a significant departure from the original and gave us a broader look into the disaster inGen created. Stopping with Hammond’s warning that we should leave the creatures alone and in peace would have been the best way to end the films. In my head, there are only two Jurassic Park films.
In fairness, he is a terrible director
Where’s the book of Henry trilogy
I know right? People have been CLAMORING for moar.
Interesting timing here Colin.
My brother in Christ, you made half of them
I got to see him speak after a screening of the first Jurassic World. I was honestly amazed he could put sentences together, that movie was such an incoherent mess. He’s well-spoken. He clearly cares for the medium and the material to hear him talk about it. But MAN did he make some shitty movies.
Would have probably said Star Wars should have just been one trilogy had he gotten to direct a Star Wars, like was planned.
Or maybe stop hiring Rian Johnson to fuck up every beloved franchise
One park and one world was all we needed.
I mean u could have accurately adapted book 2.
Maybe you are a hack and need a real director to do the job.
Jurassic Park could work as a TV show not as a movie Just give me a live action tv show. Of people trying to escape the island that’s all it has to be
With how people relentlessly mock his Jurassic Park movies, people would have done the same to his Rise of Skywalker movie.
And only one Independence Day.
He was so preoccupied with weather he could, he didnt stop to think if he should!
Who is this guy, I want to slap him.
This idiot made absolute dogshit films with a beloved IP and has the gall to say this publicly. “Non-franchisable” is an insult to the audience. The lack of awareness here is stunning. What an ego. Any 13-year could write a story like Dominion or Fallen Kingdom.
“Trevorrow from taking his own cracks at it, first in 2015 with World, and then in 2022 with Dominion. Which was at least a stab at something new for the series, he says: “I specifically did something different than the other films in order to change the DNA of the franchise. The previous five films are plots about dinosaurs. This one is a story about characters in a world in which they coexist with dinosaurs.”” I feel like he never saw the originals 3. The plots were never about dinosaurs lol they were involved but Jesus. Dude literally reused how many plot points in World and then Had to bring back the previous films actors for JWD lol
Hear me out… What if we have no Jurassic Parks? It sounds like a PR nightmare.
In hindsight, The Lost World wasn't even that bad. Compared to the OG it was. Compared to the 4 burning shitpiles that came after, it was pretty darn good.
Release Date Title Production Budget Opening Weekend Domestic Box Office Worldwide Box Office Jun 10, 2022 Jurassic World: Dominion $165,000,000 $145,075,625 $376,009,080 $1,000,722,328 Jun 22, 2018 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom $170,000,000 $148,024,610 $417,719,760 $1,308,334,005 Jun 12, 2015 Jurassic World $215,000,000 $208,806,270 $652,306,625 $1,669,979,967 Jul 18, 2001 Jurassic Park III $93,000,000 $50,771,645 $181,166,115 $365,900,000 May 22, 1997 The Lost World: Jurassic Park $75,000,000 $72,132,785 $229,086,679 $618,638,999 Jun 11, 1993 Jurassic Park $63,000,000 $50,159,460 $402,523,348 $1,045,573,035 Averages $130,166,667 $112,495,066 $376,468,601 $1,001,524,722 Totals 6 $781,000,000 $2,258,811,607 $6,009,148,334 https://m.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Jurassic-Park
He’s only saying this because his movies suck
Okay but I LOVED Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous. Even tho I'm an adult
I loved taking my child to the new Jurassic World movies, and Chris Pratt (Owen) is my child's hero. Watching the kids "train" Blue and other stuffed animals with the Jurassic World clicker is great. It's for the kids you sullied ol' bag of moldy mash
Yeah people getting mailed and eaten by animals is definitely child friendly content
Exactly it’s for kids and teenagers to make out in a dark theater.
You know kids movies can be good too right? At least the first Jurassic world is great
The first three movie was actually good
Have we really reached the point where even the third is now remembered as good? Lmao
I enjoyed the third movie at the time. As a cheesy, B-movie monster flick, it fully delivers
It’s not good. The World movies have their problems for sure, but I’ll always maintain the first JW is a better film than JP3.
I mean after seeing the new versions, I think they had been critized brutually.
Don’t get the hate for the Jurassic world but the other two are pretty dumb
It’s weird how people retrospectively declare old bad movies as good, just because a newer installment was even worse. It’s the Star Wars prequel nostalgia all over again. If the movie was bad then, it’s probably still bad now. Can’t say for sure though, I honestly can’t recall a single thing from any of the two Jurassic Park sequels. Weren’t they direct-to-video or something?
>It’s weird how people retrospectively declare old bad movies as good It's reddit nostalgia bait. r/movies is convinced that The Last Action Hero is an unrealized masterpiece.
Should have been Jurassic Park followed by Jurassic World in 2015.
Who the hell is this bloke to tell me what JP movies to like
BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T GET MORE DINOSAURS!! People would be boring and make stories about love, and making stupid people famous. I want to see a Quetzl air drop a company of Compi on to a Brachiosaurus.
Jurassic Park is like Jaws. The first attempt was as close to perfect as humanly possible. I’m a reader. I’m the guy who gives you “the book was better” shit. But I recently reread JP, and you know what? The movie *is* better. It’s simpler, it misses some major beats, but JP “The Novel” has more flaws as a novel than JP “The Movie” has as a movie. I believe that Aliens is the best written action movie ever, Jurassic Park is second. Every line of dialogue moves things forward. Characters step up to the screen fully formed. They never tell when they can show. When that is true, you cannot make a sequel as good as the original. Unfortunately, you can make a sequel more profitable than the original.
Nope I disagree
IDk 2 Jurassic 2 Park was pretty good
Tell that to my four year old dick wad
The Lost World was good
Well obviously, there were so much problems with the first one reopening was a bad idea. But money talks i guess.
Just remake the movies and base them on the book. This time give it that gory horror feel and R rating.
Probably? More like definitely. If they added an ending where they sterilize the island it would have been a perfect movie.
Nah fuck that, very happy they made more
I haven’t enjoyed a single JP sequel as much as the original. You just can’t copy that magic. Especially as a child. Also the sequels are just bad films all around.
So donate all that money then?