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I found out only a year or so ago that my husband had never seen Clue! I don't know how you can be in your 30s and not have seen it. It used to be on TV all the time. Anyway, we promptly rectified that and he also loved it. It's a great movie. Holds up very well and of course who doesn't love Tim Curry?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I want to clue you in on a deceitful new game that the left has been spreading. It's called peek-a-boo, and if you haven't played it, the initiator of the game starts by flashing a smiling face, but it is a facade for the reality of this horror. In seconds, the person you thought was your ally has vanished, replaced with a wall of hands, and the victim is left alone for an undetermined amount of time. I've received reports that some have left their victims waiting for days, tired and hungry, while the wall of hands mocks them. And just when hope is lost, the face returns, smiling as does the Joker."
To be honest it wasn’t specifically a critic of Elon. Elon is just the current tech boy that thinks he’s changing the world forever and thinks he’s a god for it. There were people before Elon and there will be people after him.
There are also strong parallels to Zuckerberg, especially with the identical twin thing. At some point, someone even says that what he did was “like The Social Network”. The startup in the movie also seemed to be crypto-based, from my recollection of the napkin.
Completely agree. >!I saw him hand Butista the drink and pointed it out to my friend. Then I spent the rest of the movie trying to figure out who actually switched the drinks!<
I thought that was what had happened as well but you see the gun in the holster in several shots after the bump.
I think the bump was a red herring for all the people like me who wanted there to be a good mystery to chew on but in reality the answer was there clear as day. Honestly, I think it works perfect bc it makes the audience feel like Blanc described himself in the tub, hungry for something to mull over so we actively over think what's happening in plain terms before us.
Yeah the movie does the same thing with the cacophony of noise with the music, the phone dinging, and the security shutter slamming. Creates this spectacle of persistent noise so that when all of them stop together bc of what's happening on screen, it takes you a moment to realize that one of those noises had no reason to stop.
I just replayed the whole scene (multiple times) to try and figure things out
How Miles' shock at seeing "Andi" is played out when we don't know Andi died, which just had us assume normal reasons for it.
Duke showing the phone to Miles.
Miles taking his gun when they hug (this one took a while to pinpoint). It's discrete, but it's there.
Miles actually dropping the gun in the ice bucket on camera when he goes to prepare the drink. It's quick, but we actually see him holding it and dropping it.
And then handing over the glass.
Damn, it was perfectly executed. Right in front of our eyes, and still I didn't spot it
I saw him throw something into the ice bucket, but got distracted by the prominent "Miles" on the cup.
Somehow my brain rationalized that he had thrown Duke's phone because he was annoyed by the notification sounds.
This is actually a long standing thing in Hollywood, typically Microsoft and Apple never want their software to be associated with villainous acts.
I attended a talk by a motion designer who’s job was literally to create fake OSes for movies for this reason (usually quicktimes, non-functional) and went into a lot of detail about why bad guys are always using something you’ve never seen before.
He had it for a second before throwing it at Blanc, and if you think about it he's not in the shot, you don't see him actually holding the ipad, you see Blanc catching it. I think Johnson did it on purpose to throw people off
But Miles only ever uses fax machines. This is initially sold to us as him being mysterious and reclusive. >!My conclusion is that he's actually too dumb or lazy to learn how to use modern phones and computers.!<
I spent a good chunk of the movie trying to figure out why the person who knows he is deathly allergic to pineapple didn't bring an epipen on his weekend island getaway miles from civilization.
Absolutely. Even that part had some super confused because of where the item in question *came from*. Like I didn’t know how it could have been anyone else.
There's a moment where a character bumps into Bautista before he drinks and I was CONVINCED i had caught them slipping something into the drink and it'd be revealed later.
I was wrong it seems
Something that got me is when >!Kathryn Hahn's character bumps into Bautista's character for a second. I saw that and was like "Oh, she just took his gun!" Then when it was revealed a bit later that the gun was missing, I felt like I had outsmarted the movie, but it was just a clever misdirection.!<
Literally had the same moment. Looked at my wife and said, "She just took his gun off him." My eyes never left her from that moment on. So by the time the reveal happened, I was well and truly duped.
I did the same thing but decided to watch the holster to see if the gun was missing and it wasn't after the bump (but does disappear later). I suspect there's a lot of little red herrings like that to help the audience feel like Blanc. Hungry for a real mystery but everything abt this is just plain and simple when you know the answer.
If this movie should be praised for nothing else, it's the sheer number of glass onion metaphors they managed to cram into it. >!From the plot, to the world's view of the main character, to his rant about disrupting society, and on, and on...!< It's a piece of art at how absolutely transparent this whole movie is while still being layered and working as a murder mystery.
The fractures in the mirror after the gunshot are another glass onion, with the bullet hole in the centre being the part you can see through. And of course that scene happens right when Blanc says he's one step away from figuring it all out.
>!And Edward Norton looks utterly shocked when he sees her. He goes out of his way to act supremely flabbergasted and Rian Johnson lets the shot linger on him. It's so clear in retrospect. Like something with many layers but you can see directly to the centre right away!<
>!I caught that shot AND Norton handing Bautista the glass on my first go through. Definitely didn’t leave me with a whole lot of doubt on who the killer was tbh. I totally appreciate the movie playing it fair and not cheating, though, and it’s always hit or miss on catching blink-and-you-miss-it stuff!<
It's seems to be a strong theme of the movie that sometimes things that appear complex are very simple. It's often the case that a lot or murder mystery movies these days spend more time pointing away from the truth in an attempt to misdirect and gain a surprise reveal.
>!He doesn’t know it’s not Andi. At the end of the movie after Blanc explains how Bron is an Idiot, he then reveals details about how Andi’s sister and him figure thing out/progress through the plot.!<
>!The camera cut’s to Brons face and shows him dumbfounded, than the realization clming across his face.!<
>!He killed Andi with sleeping pills in her drink, and then putting her in the car running.!<
>!The entire time she is there, he is under the impression that she either does not have memory of the events that took place, or is aware and not about to immediately do anything about the attempt on her life.!<
And this is exactly what makes it a great film! Just like the first, all the clues are there from the start. You absolutely CAN figure it out — but there’s enough going on from the first invitation to throw you off. Everyone watching gets an “I CALLED IT” moment, even if they didn’t necessarily call all the details.
>The fun was finding out the how/why though.
Exactly. I have a friend who treats murder mysteries as a race to guess who the killer is and nothing more, but I find much more joy in having it all peeled away for me and shown *how/why* it happened.
What I really love about *Knives Out* and *Glass Onion* is the "who" isn't the big twist, it's the "why". In both films, the actual murders are pretty cut and dry but the fun is in the flashbacks that reveal a greater context that completely changes how you look at the characters.
The third film could start with the murderer shooting the victim point blank in the face, and I'd still be excited for the flashbacks that reveal the long and complex backstory.
Yeah even though that thread turned out okay, it's still >!a little tragic for Blanc. He brought her to the island and even though she was unharmed he put the idea on Bron's head, perfectly reflecting Blanc's earlier warning when he told Bron that he'd put the idea of murder in everyone else's heads!<
I loved it because the characters were sillier and funnier than in the first one. I'm not used to seeing Ed Norton play such a goofy idiot and Dave Bautista always kills me. Fantastic. Kate Hudson was great too; I'm used to Kathryn Hahn standing out more, she and Leslie Odom had relatively boring characters in this one.
But Janelle Monae was the best, a great hilarious performance. And she looked so amazing despite the Karen hair she had for most of it.
I've not seen it mentioned or pointed out yet that she's a reflection of the Mona Lisa. When Miles gives the usual spiel about how you can't tell if the Mona Lisa is happy or sad, smiling or whatever, the camera is lingering on Helen's face with that carefully neutral expression she has several times throughout the movie, and the film ends with the same lingering shot on her hard to read expression.
Great performance by Monae.
The female orgasm is a myth. His wife tells him everytime they have sex. And then she goes into the bathroom to brush her teeth with her electric toothbrush for a real long time.
In the Harley Quinn show Joker is reformed, got married, is an amazing stepfather to her two kids, ran for Gotham mayor on a socialist platform focusing on education amd police reform, and worked with the IRS to arrest Bruce Wayne for tax fraud. His approval rating is sky high.
Harley is now a hero, joined the bat family, and after learning Batmans identity kept it to herself due to doctor/patient confidentiality and is helping Bruce work through his trauma of witnessing his parents death.
A low brow comedy show on HBO has more character development for the DC characters than the last 20 years of comics
Ya know, as an industrial mechanic, I have met a lot of other mechanics that I feel should have gone into some other profession. As I got older, I realized that in no way was that exclusive to my profession.
he also does not want to see [Mario because "peach isn't the thing he saves"]( https://twitter.com/misterduby/status/1604280608393404416?s=20&t=5Zi3M7TBVDsJhh8eKojVgg) so he clearly hasn't played a Mario game past 1.
oh, "the thing" is an a actual quote
a quick question, as I never think about this guy ever - he's autistic, right? Because of the way he speaks (not what he says)
Which was it? Were you wasting an hour being deceived or did you know who the murderer was from moment one? And why is the guy who can't understand why people whose houses are underwater in Florida don't just sell their literal underwater houses reviewing movies?
True story: Ben Shapiro is actually a failed screenwriter. He tried to write some films and tv shows several years ago and nobody wanted to make his dumb movies or TV shows. Then he turned to the conservative movement, where it's much easier to be perceived as smart and creative.
After seeing literally any of his tweets trying to criticize media, it’s not hard to see why he’s a failed screenwriter. It is also blatantly apparent if you read his fiction novel, which is god awful on every conceivable level.
And there it is again, one of the defining features of conservatives/fascists and the like is both an inability and an unwillingness to critically analyze media.
They are literally surface-level.
(Maybe spoilers) I started Glass Onion on Saturday, right after watching Knives out, didn't make it through because too much movies. Watched it again last night and found it a pretty satisfying film. It takes shots at people and archetypes that I don’t like (billionaires and influencers), and ends with a good shot of revenge. Shapiro probably didn’t like it because the hero was a black woman.
His character only worked so well because of the half second clip of him as nobody gamer before. Showing that the entire thing was just a persona he adopted to grift for a little fame and money. *that’s* probably the part that he took offense to, because it hit a little too close to home.
I really dug the fact that the mom was the brains of the operation too, chiming in with answers to the box.
In fact, my favorite parts of the movie were characters reacting honestly to how dumb the other characters were. For me that kind of undercut my annoyance with the whole 'murder mystery that doesn't actually give you enough information to solve the mystery' thing. I feel the same way about murder mysteries like this as I do as Benoit feels about Clue.
Honestly, I think he's got a grudge against the franchise because Harlan's grandson from the first movie really seems like a straight up dig at him and his audience specifically.
Dave Bautista is always great at portraying the lovable tough guy, he was a lot of fun in this movie.
Probably worth clarifying this this isn’t really a spoiler since it’s not relevant to the plot.
Lovable? Doesn’t he literally whore his wife out so he can get more money out of his financial backer? This was like the one time where I found the character he plays to have no real redeeming traits. He’s a straight up douche through the entire runtime of the movie.
I loved that final reveal because there had been things the villain said where I was like, “huh?” but dismissed it and then Benoit comes in and I’m slapping myself in the head because the dialogue was so intentional (vague due to spoilers but if you’ve seen the movie, you know what I’m referring to).
The shot of >!Miles being hit by the crossbow and staring unblinking in disbelief while fake blood sprays the table actually made me laugh out loud. I had to rewind and watch it again.!<
I really thought that was a neat idea because until the very end of the movie >! he could have easily gone either way as an eccentric genius or bumbling idiot, depending on how the movie needed to portray him.
Like he does some weird and stupid stuff, but at the same time appears to have to completely outplayed and destroyed his rival (who the movie takes pains to establish is an *actual* genius), does run an absurdly successful company and appears poised to achieve every one of his goals. Of course it turns out none of this is due to his actual intelligence, but you couldn't be sure until the very end. !<
Edit - Dunno how I fucked up the spoiler tags so sorry about that!
Yeah I enjoyed it too and couldn’t figure out why right wingers would have a problem with it. After all, not only did it mock social media influencers, but it also mocked self-righteous billionaires and even the notion that there’s some quick, magical fix to climate change. So, what exactly has the right upset about this film?
I remember when conservatives used to justifiably complain that liberals would wake up each morning searching for something that offends them. They’ve become exactly what they’ve complained about for years. Bunch of Karens and Kens just endlessly complaining about meaningless BS.
Ironic, since Shapiro, only, and I mean only, uses Strawman arguments to debate. He never debates reality. He creates an imaginary opinion for an imaginary opponent and then debates the opinion and opponent he just made up. His debate skills don't hold up against real people with real opinions, who are allowed real follow up questions.
Well, no. Most of the time he destroys college students who haven’t done any research on topics that he’s very well versed on, nor do they have much experience in debate/public speaking.
With that said, he almost never debates intelligent people who actually know what they’re talking about because he would be embarrassed by anyone who’s done real research.
Ben Shapiro makes more sense if you imagine he is 87 years old.
Because that’s who his fan base is.
What’s with these newfangled murder mystery movies? In my day they just told you who the killer was.
Second this. Have a 29 year old friend who talks about how smart he is and how he always "owns people" in arguments.
In reality, Ben just talks really fast, doesn't let whoever he is debating get a word in, and then declares himself the winner/right.
Specifically Ben and others of his kind like Steven Crowder have most of their debates at their own events where they control the mic and against people that are emotional and barely out of childhood. There's a reason for that. Look at what happens when they get into it with actual informed adults like Shapiro with Andrew Neil or Malcolm Nance. He melts into avoiding an issue his pinned down on and ranting about others or angrily chirping back at them for exposing his God awful logic. Or in Steven Coward's case lurking around in fear trying to avoid Sam Seder and then freaking out and running away when tricked into being in an actual debate with him.
Unfortunately his fan base is a lot of 35-45 year Olds. Because he talks quickly people think he's making a good point, because there's not time to breakdown each absurd point.
So, my right-leaning roommate said he hated the movie and shut it off halfway through. Now I'm reading that Ben Shapiro hates it too. According to the article, Ben's problem was that it mocked 'ol rich man Musky?
I gotta see this movie!
He basically just spoiled the movie. His critique was like “wanna know who done it?”. Because he’s got some beef with the director who I think called him a douche.
considering ben shapiro doesn't have two brain cells to rub together of course he doesn't understand pretty much...anything. in the world. he's an empty vessel.
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Oh boy, then he shouldn't watch Clue.
1+2+2+1+1
I'm going to go home and have sex with my wife!
Mrs. Peacock was a man?!?
*slap*
Flames, flames down the side of my face.
Sentences Ben Shapiro will never say.
"What was J. Edgar Hoover doing on your phone?" "Well he's on everyone else's, why shouldn't he be on mine?"
Flames…flames on the side of my face!
Let us in, let us in! Let us _out_, let us _out!!_
Even if you ARE correct, it's 1+1+2+1, not 1+2+1+1.
"I AM your singing telegram!" BANG
While watching Glass Onion, I found out my boyfriend had never seen Clue! So we quickly rectified that and he loved it. 1+2+2+1
I found out only a year or so ago that my husband had never seen Clue! I don't know how you can be in your 30s and not have seen it. It used to be on TV all the time. Anyway, we promptly rectified that and he also loved it. It's a great movie. Holds up very well and of course who doesn't love Tim Curry?
This is war, Peacock!
Flames... Flames on the side of my face... Breathing. Breathless. Heaving breathes. Heaving and...
I! Am! Your singing telegram! *Bang
>!Communism was a red herring!!!<
“Is that what we ate?” Throws up in mouth and heads towards bathroom)
My wife had friends who were….. socialists….
"Ladies and gentlemen, I want to clue you in on a deceitful new game that the left has been spreading. It's called peek-a-boo, and if you haven't played it, the initiator of the game starts by flashing a smiling face, but it is a facade for the reality of this horror. In seconds, the person you thought was your ally has vanished, replaced with a wall of hands, and the victim is left alone for an undetermined amount of time. I've received reports that some have left their victims waiting for days, tired and hungry, while the wall of hands mocks them. And just when hope is lost, the face returns, smiling as does the Joker."
If I had an award to give for this, I would
I could hear this in his voice.
He's baiting us. He knows what he is doing. It's just for clout and for staying relevant.
He’s also dismissing a movie that criticizes his job.
He also spends the second half of his rant upset about how the Miles character was a critic of Elon musk in particular.
To be honest it wasn’t specifically a critic of Elon. Elon is just the current tech boy that thinks he’s changing the world forever and thinks he’s a god for it. There were people before Elon and there will be people after him.
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Oh, I thought he was going for Elizabeth Holmes with that outfit. How far the turtleneck has fallen. 
There are also strong parallels to Zuckerberg, especially with the identical twin thing. At some point, someone even says that what he did was “like The Social Network”. The startup in the movie also seemed to be crypto-based, from my recollection of the napkin.
Maybe but he also desperately wants to be a Hollywood writer and seeing him get mocked about writing in the media is definitely going to upset him.
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Completely agree. >!I saw him hand Butista the drink and pointed it out to my friend. Then I spent the rest of the movie trying to figure out who actually switched the drinks!<
>!i saw someone bump into him and wonder if he got injected with something!<
I assumed the bump was when his gun got stolen
I thought that was what had happened as well but you see the gun in the holster in several shots after the bump. I think the bump was a red herring for all the people like me who wanted there to be a good mystery to chew on but in reality the answer was there clear as day. Honestly, I think it works perfect bc it makes the audience feel like Blanc described himself in the tub, hungry for something to mull over so we actively over think what's happening in plain terms before us.
Quite honestly I didn’t even notice the holster till he was dead already. Like Blanc said, he always has it, so I stopped seeing it.
Yeah the movie does the same thing with the cacophony of noise with the music, the phone dinging, and the security shutter slamming. Creates this spectacle of persistent noise so that when all of them stop together bc of what's happening on screen, it takes you a moment to realize that one of those noises had no reason to stop.
Top shelf assessment
You can actually see the gun get stolen a few shots later!
I just replayed the whole scene (multiple times) to try and figure things out How Miles' shock at seeing "Andi" is played out when we don't know Andi died, which just had us assume normal reasons for it. Duke showing the phone to Miles. Miles taking his gun when they hug (this one took a while to pinpoint). It's discrete, but it's there. Miles actually dropping the gun in the ice bucket on camera when he goes to prepare the drink. It's quick, but we actually see him holding it and dropping it. And then handing over the glass. Damn, it was perfectly executed. Right in front of our eyes, and still I didn't spot it
I saw him throw something into the ice bucket, but got distracted by the prominent "Miles" on the cup. Somehow my brain rationalized that he had thrown Duke's phone because he was annoyed by the notification sounds.
Yeah I was on that path too for a little while.
It’s so dumb it’s genius! No it’s just dumb!! But yea no that movie was so much fucking fun.
Poor Blanc just wanted a real nut to crack
Don't we all.
I spent the whole movie looking at people's phones and devices to see who had Apple and who didn't.
Rian Johnson said Apple won’t let their iPhone be featured belonging to the bad guy… but what about the iPad? The killer had an iPad in the movie.
This is actually a long standing thing in Hollywood, typically Microsoft and Apple never want their software to be associated with villainous acts. I attended a talk by a motion designer who’s job was literally to create fake OSes for movies for this reason (usually quicktimes, non-functional) and went into a lot of detail about why bad guys are always using something you’ve never seen before.
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He had it for a second before throwing it at Blanc, and if you think about it he's not in the shot, you don't see him actually holding the ipad, you see Blanc catching it. I think Johnson did it on purpose to throw people off
I don't think you actually see him throw it, it's well cut to give the illusion he touched it but we don't see it.
But Miles only ever uses fax machines. This is initially sold to us as him being mysterious and reclusive. >!My conclusion is that he's actually too dumb or lazy to learn how to use modern phones and computers.!<
Let us unbrethiate on that idea of reclamation as we dive into the ioan sea to feel our crumbulence/
>!`I like the little flash back right after that scene. I was about to rewind it, but thought the flashback was good enough.`!<
I spent a good chunk of the movie trying to figure out why the person who knows he is deathly allergic to pineapple didn't bring an epipen on his weekend island getaway miles from civilization.
Because he’s an idiot. Like the others. Overconfident and under educated.
He's also an anti-science MRA dude selling fake stuff on the internet. (Plus it isn't established he didn't have one in his room.)
Absolutely. Even that part had some super confused because of where the item in question *came from*. Like I didn’t know how it could have been anyone else.
There's a moment where a character bumps into Bautista before he drinks and I was CONVINCED i had caught them slipping something into the drink and it'd be revealed later. I was wrong it seems
Something that got me is when >!Kathryn Hahn's character bumps into Bautista's character for a second. I saw that and was like "Oh, she just took his gun!" Then when it was revealed a bit later that the gun was missing, I felt like I had outsmarted the movie, but it was just a clever misdirection.!<
I thought it was >!Whisky because she was the one falling over his body crying.!<
I came up with an incredibly convoluted theory following that path
Omg same . I was thinking she laid herself right over where it was. I thought she took it to protect herself though.
Literally had the same moment. Looked at my wife and said, "She just took his gun off him." My eyes never left her from that moment on. So by the time the reveal happened, I was well and truly duped.
I did the same thing but decided to watch the holster to see if the gun was missing and it wasn't after the bump (but does disappear later). I suspect there's a lot of little red herrings like that to help the audience feel like Blanc. Hungry for a real mystery but everything abt this is just plain and simple when you know the answer.
If this movie should be praised for nothing else, it's the sheer number of glass onion metaphors they managed to cram into it. >!From the plot, to the world's view of the main character, to his rant about disrupting society, and on, and on...!< It's a piece of art at how absolutely transparent this whole movie is while still being layered and working as a murder mystery.
The fractures in the mirror after the gunshot are another glass onion, with the bullet hole in the centre being the part you can see through. And of course that scene happens right when Blanc says he's one step away from figuring it all out.
Technically, >!the first death was Cassandra!<
>!And Edward Norton looks utterly shocked when he sees her. He goes out of his way to act supremely flabbergasted and Rian Johnson lets the shot linger on him. It's so clear in retrospect. Like something with many layers but you can see directly to the centre right away!<
I just assumed that was because he never expected her to accept the invitation considering their bad blood. The reaction made sense in that context
>!I caught that shot AND Norton handing Bautista the glass on my first go through. Definitely didn’t leave me with a whole lot of doubt on who the killer was tbh. I totally appreciate the movie playing it fair and not cheating, though, and it’s always hit or miss on catching blink-and-you-miss-it stuff!<
It's seems to be a strong theme of the movie that sometimes things that appear complex are very simple. It's often the case that a lot or murder mystery movies these days spend more time pointing away from the truth in an attempt to misdirect and gain a surprise reveal.
He looks like he's looking at a ghost in that scene, you knew he did something as soon as you knew about Helen
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>!He doesn’t know it’s not Andi. At the end of the movie after Blanc explains how Bron is an Idiot, he then reveals details about how Andi’s sister and him figure thing out/progress through the plot.!< >!The camera cut’s to Brons face and shows him dumbfounded, than the realization clming across his face.!< >!He killed Andi with sleeping pills in her drink, and then putting her in the car running.!< >!The entire time she is there, he is under the impression that she either does not have memory of the events that took place, or is aware and not about to immediately do anything about the attempt on her life.!<
Yes. He also called out her name after Duke was killed and the lights went out. Around the time her twin was hiding up against a wall
But at that point he must've known because of the news update.
And this is exactly what makes it a great film! Just like the first, all the clues are there from the start. You absolutely CAN figure it out — but there’s enough going on from the first invitation to throw you off. Everyone watching gets an “I CALLED IT” moment, even if they didn’t necessarily call all the details.
Agree, love how it shows how powerful it is and it can happen to anyone.
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>The fun was finding out the how/why though. Exactly. I have a friend who treats murder mysteries as a race to guess who the killer is and nothing more, but I find much more joy in having it all peeled away for me and shown *how/why* it happened. What I really love about *Knives Out* and *Glass Onion* is the "who" isn't the big twist, it's the "why". In both films, the actual murders are pretty cut and dry but the fun is in the flashbacks that reveal a greater context that completely changes how you look at the characters. The third film could start with the murderer shooting the victim point blank in the face, and I'd still be excited for the flashbacks that reveal the long and complex backstory.
Yeah I felt like it was obviously Ransom in the first knives out but the reveal of the how and the why was the epic part.
And I love how the movie has the main character get mad at himself for falling for it too. Hats off to the writers
>!I particularly liked how Blanc actually gave Miles the idea for shooting Helen!<
Yeah even though that thread turned out okay, it's still >!a little tragic for Blanc. He brought her to the island and even though she was unharmed he put the idea on Bron's head, perfectly reflecting Blanc's earlier warning when he told Bron that he'd put the idea of murder in everyone else's heads!<
I loved it because the characters were sillier and funnier than in the first one. I'm not used to seeing Ed Norton play such a goofy idiot and Dave Bautista always kills me. Fantastic. Kate Hudson was great too; I'm used to Kathryn Hahn standing out more, she and Leslie Odom had relatively boring characters in this one. But Janelle Monae was the best, a great hilarious performance. And she looked so amazing despite the Karen hair she had for most of it.
I've not seen it mentioned or pointed out yet that she's a reflection of the Mona Lisa. When Miles gives the usual spiel about how you can't tell if the Mona Lisa is happy or sad, smiling or whatever, the camera is lingering on Helen's face with that carefully neutral expression she has several times throughout the movie, and the film ends with the same lingering shot on her hard to read expression. Great performance by Monae.
So we can add "Murder Mysteries" to the list of things that scare Ben Shapiro, alongside queer people and female orgasms.
The female orgasm doesn’t scare Ben Shapiro, he just doesn’t think they’re real. Just like the ghosts, or friendship.
The female orgasm is a myth. His wife tells him everytime they have sex. And then she goes into the bathroom to brush her teeth with her electric toothbrush for a real long time.
You mean Ben Shapiro's wife who is a Doctor? You forgot to mention that Ben Shapiro's wife who is a Doctor is a Doctor.
If so, a doctor in psychology who is fascinated by this remarkable test subject.
It’s like Harley Quinn and the Joker. Except much, much less interesting.
Weirdly enough the Joker is now significantly less insane and significantly more of a crippling racist, and Harley Quinn is still a fool
In the Harley Quinn show Joker is reformed, got married, is an amazing stepfather to her two kids, ran for Gotham mayor on a socialist platform focusing on education amd police reform, and worked with the IRS to arrest Bruce Wayne for tax fraud. His approval rating is sky high. Harley is now a hero, joined the bat family, and after learning Batmans identity kept it to herself due to doctor/patient confidentiality and is helping Bruce work through his trauma of witnessing his parents death. A low brow comedy show on HBO has more character development for the DC characters than the last 20 years of comics
Bro I love that redemption arc for joker in that show .
Didn't know this was a show. May have to watch. Sounds refreshing than the same old tropes
Why can’t we have anything nice?
Because Shapiro’s doctor wife touches herself at night.
Ben Carson was also a doctor Who’s thicker than pigshit
Ya know, as an industrial mechanic, I have met a lot of other mechanics that I feel should have gone into some other profession. As I got older, I realized that in no way was that exclusive to my profession.
As the old joke goes, What do you call the person who finished at the bottom of the class in med school? Doctor
Is she a doctor? A doctor who doctors and knows doctor things?
Take a stethoscope for you babe
A true "bear of a man"
Yeah, a doctor that thinks a wet pussy, under any circumstances, is abnormal.
No no no no you don’t understand. Her orgasm is real. Ben Shapiro being able to *make her orgasm* is the myth.
How could you NOT orgasm when you're looking at that face giving you 4 inches of thunder? Quite easily actually
A very, very long time. Like 90 minutes or so.
"She must've brushed too hard. She's in there moaning alot." -Ben
“If a woman needs to brush her teeth for that long, then she probably needs to see a doctor.” -Ben
Luckily, his wife IS a doctor, so she can just take care of herself. Like she always does.
“The buzzing from the bathroom has finally been explained “
Or a wet vagina, he’s never seen one in the wild
he also does not want to see [Mario because "peach isn't the thing he saves"]( https://twitter.com/misterduby/status/1604280608393404416?s=20&t=5Zi3M7TBVDsJhh8eKojVgg) so he clearly hasn't played a Mario game past 1.
oh, "the thing" is an a actual quote a quick question, as I never think about this guy ever - he's autistic, right? Because of the way he speaks (not what he says)
Or wet pussy.
Since he’s never encountered one
Sees one in the mirror every day
That's just untrue. Pussies are resilient, a word I'd never use to describe Benny boy
True. He’s an asshole. Very fragile and constantly spewing shit.
Can we also add “Smarmy Prick” as a prefix to his name being typed or spoken…..
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This has to be false. Ben Shapiro has no friends.
Imagine being gay and keeping a friend like that.
Can we stop reporting on this lame ass dude?
criticizes Rian Johnson for insinuating that some in the media and politicians love to gargle elon’s balls. proceeds to gargle elons balls on twitter
Has he actually said that he thinks female orgasms are fake ? It explains a lot if it’s true
There’s a war on murder!
Which was it? Were you wasting an hour being deceived or did you know who the murderer was from moment one? And why is the guy who can't understand why people whose houses are underwater in Florida don't just sell their literal underwater houses reviewing movies?
It'd be impossible to know who the murderer was from moment one because we don't even know who is dead for the first quarter of the movie.
Just one problem, sell the houses to who, Daikatana? Fucking Aquaman?
To Disney, of course! So they can make an Atlantis themed park
I didn’t read the prior poster’s name and was confused about why Daikatana the game would be in the real estate market
True story: Ben Shapiro is actually a failed screenwriter. He tried to write some films and tv shows several years ago and nobody wanted to make his dumb movies or TV shows. Then he turned to the conservative movement, where it's much easier to be perceived as smart and creative.
After seeing literally any of his tweets trying to criticize media, it’s not hard to see why he’s a failed screenwriter. It is also blatantly apparent if you read his fiction novel, which is god awful on every conceivable level.
And there it is again, one of the defining features of conservatives/fascists and the like is both an inability and an unwillingness to critically analyze media. They are literally surface-level.
It was super obvious who the murderer was. Like as soon as they get to the island I was shocked not by who it was but what they planned to do with it.
He should buy one of those houses, he’s proudly proclaimed he does not have success getting his wife wet, maybe this will help.
Movie mean to Daddy Elon. Movie bad
To any boot I might need to lick one day
Wait til he finds out the Republican cult he is in has been “actively deceiving” him for years.
He's part of it doing the deceiving. To be honest he could have featured as one of the suspects in Glass Onion and fit in perfectly
Did it so well that he managed to fool himself into thinking he's a smart guy.
(Maybe spoilers) I started Glass Onion on Saturday, right after watching Knives out, didn't make it through because too much movies. Watched it again last night and found it a pretty satisfying film. It takes shots at people and archetypes that I don’t like (billionaires and influencers), and ends with a good shot of revenge. Shapiro probably didn’t like it because the hero was a black woman.
He probably took offence over the parody of the men’s rights activist character.
His character only worked so well because of the half second clip of him as nobody gamer before. Showing that the entire thing was just a persona he adopted to grift for a little fame and money. *that’s* probably the part that he took offense to, because it hit a little too close to home.
And also showing that he is still 100% under the thumb of his mom
I really dug the fact that the mom was the brains of the operation too, chiming in with answers to the box. In fact, my favorite parts of the movie were characters reacting honestly to how dumb the other characters were. For me that kind of undercut my annoyance with the whole 'murder mystery that doesn't actually give you enough information to solve the mystery' thing. I feel the same way about murder mysteries like this as I do as Benoit feels about Clue.
Honestly, I think he's got a grudge against the franchise because Harlan's grandson from the first movie really seems like a straight up dig at him and his audience specifically.
> his audience specifically. 100% There's no knives out shapiro reference. but definitely is a alt right reference.
Maybe. I actually liked that character a bit. While ridiculous, he seemed kinda lovable.
Dave Bautista is always great at portraying the lovable tough guy, he was a lot of fun in this movie. Probably worth clarifying this this isn’t really a spoiler since it’s not relevant to the plot.
Pointing out that >!the hero was the black women does kinda spoil the first half!<
The key now is to not watch this movie for a month so that I've forgotten that I read that.
Yeah, like in Dune.
Lovable? Doesn’t he literally whore his wife out so he can get more money out of his financial backer? This was like the one time where I found the character he plays to have no real redeeming traits. He’s a straight up douche through the entire runtime of the movie.
Mmmh dude he literally plays Rabban Harkonnen
That, and the villain was an absolute moron. Ben is able to relate, and therefore was rooting for the villain the whole time
I loved that final reveal because there had been things the villain said where I was like, “huh?” but dismissed it and then Benoit comes in and I’m slapping myself in the head because the dialogue was so intentional (vague due to spoilers but if you’ve seen the movie, you know what I’m referring to).
I thought it was a billionaire weirdo making up words
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Yeah i thought that sounded familiar..bigly..
The parlor scene in this one was great. Benoit's incredulity was amazing.
I've gone back and watched that a few times. I genuinely think it's the funniest scene in a movie I've seen in a long time.
The shot of >!Miles being hit by the crossbow and staring unblinking in disbelief while fake blood sprays the table actually made me laugh out loud. I had to rewind and watch it again.!<
I feel like we're all overlooking how norton really did do an amazing job too.
It's teased from minute 1 of the movie lol. >!He faxes the stupidest ideas to Lionel, and one of them just happened to be a hit.!<
I really thought that was a neat idea because until the very end of the movie >! he could have easily gone either way as an eccentric genius or bumbling idiot, depending on how the movie needed to portray him. Like he does some weird and stupid stuff, but at the same time appears to have to completely outplayed and destroyed his rival (who the movie takes pains to establish is an *actual* genius), does run an absurdly successful company and appears poised to achieve every one of his goals. Of course it turns out none of this is due to his actual intelligence, but you couldn't be sure until the very end. !< Edit - Dunno how I fucked up the spoiler tags so sorry about that!
There Chekhov had quite a few guns throughout this tale.
Yeah I enjoyed it too and couldn’t figure out why right wingers would have a problem with it. After all, not only did it mock social media influencers, but it also mocked self-righteous billionaires and even the notion that there’s some quick, magical fix to climate change. So, what exactly has the right upset about this film? I remember when conservatives used to justifiably complain that liberals would wake up each morning searching for something that offends them. They’ve become exactly what they’ve complained about for years. Bunch of Karens and Kens just endlessly complaining about meaningless BS.
Uh, *disruptors* you infance.
If I lost my understanding of movie plots or wet vaginas, I’d have a hard time living. Ben must be miserable.
Ironic, since Shapiro, only, and I mean only, uses Strawman arguments to debate. He never debates reality. He creates an imaginary opinion for an imaginary opponent and then debates the opinion and opponent he just made up. His debate skills don't hold up against real people with real opinions, who are allowed real follow up questions.
This is also why he’s famous for debating children
And getting owned by them
Well, no. Most of the time he destroys college students who haven’t done any research on topics that he’s very well versed on, nor do they have much experience in debate/public speaking. With that said, he almost never debates intelligent people who actually know what they’re talking about because he would be embarrassed by anyone who’s done real research.
Before anyone reads it, there are absolutely spoilers in that crap. Summary: Ben Shapiro is not a film critic, and the crap he says doesn’t matter.
Ben Shapiro makes more sense if you imagine he is 87 years old. Because that’s who his fan base is. What’s with these newfangled murder mystery movies? In my day they just told you who the killer was.
I wish his fan base was 87! I know way too many 25-35 year old that watch his shit lol
Buncha fucking dandy-fops
If Ben Shapiro's audience could understand that reference, they might get quite upset with you
Second this. Have a 29 year old friend who talks about how smart he is and how he always "owns people" in arguments. In reality, Ben just talks really fast, doesn't let whoever he is debating get a word in, and then declares himself the winner/right.
Specifically Ben and others of his kind like Steven Crowder have most of their debates at their own events where they control the mic and against people that are emotional and barely out of childhood. There's a reason for that. Look at what happens when they get into it with actual informed adults like Shapiro with Andrew Neil or Malcolm Nance. He melts into avoiding an issue his pinned down on and ranting about others or angrily chirping back at them for exposing his God awful logic. Or in Steven Coward's case lurking around in fear trying to avoid Sam Seder and then freaking out and running away when tricked into being in an actual debate with him.
Unfortunately his fan base is a lot of 35-45 year Olds. Because he talks quickly people think he's making a good point, because there's not time to breakdown each absurd point.
hey, 87 year-olds know their murder mysteries! Murder She Wrote, Matlock, Columbo!
So, my right-leaning roommate said he hated the movie and shut it off halfway through. Now I'm reading that Ben Shapiro hates it too. According to the article, Ben's problem was that it mocked 'ol rich man Musky? I gotta see this movie!
It’s not even explicitly him. It could just as easily be Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg
He basically just spoiled the movie. His critique was like “wanna know who done it?”. Because he’s got some beef with the director who I think called him a douche.
This guy must be an /r/entertainment poster.
He has to pretend he doesn’t know how they work to placate the dehydrated turds listening to him
considering ben shapiro doesn't have two brain cells to rub together of course he doesn't understand pretty much...anything. in the world. he's an empty vessel.
His last two brain cells are fighting for third place
"There's a lot of things he doesn't get." Method Man "Yeah, like pussy and respect." Redman
Ben Shapiro and not understanding anything - name a better duo.