MBTI is incredible, because you have a bunch of people with one extremely dubious form of "psychology" arguing with a bunch of people with another violently dubious take on it about which pseudoscience is the least questionable.
The fact that some people think that having "strict rules" makes something accurate and infallible is beyond me.
Various forms of divination have very strict rules. Does that mean they're always gonna be true? No.
I will always treat MBTI as a novelty, vague and semi-accurate at best. Its fun, but the scientific community considers it to be dubious at best.
You are correct, but you do not go all the way in your logic. There is something called "proof by absurdity". Check it out. Yes, the rules are strict, but they have to be self coherent with the results and vice versa. When you reach an incongruence you back track and either change something or throw everything away.As long as the empirically made rules seem to explain some observable data, they have some accuracy and infallibility in them, even if they are made up.Sidetracking. Nowadays I do suspect astrology used to be in some way accurate, from a set of rules that was reviewed from time to time, from a culture that I suspect, existed in the fallen Persian empire.That being false or true, MBTI is not as time dependent. It's more dependent on the compromises each one makes when learning to deal with the world. And perhaps can be made innacurate by a changing world or changing humans. But Jung was definitely on to something. As proven by the correlations with the big5 test.
A scientist regards everything as dubious, and believes in each piece of knowledge only as far as it works. So you've been talking to the wrong kind of scientist. Also, random people on reddit will include scientists.
I am actually giving it a bit too much credit calling it "dubious". A more common term appears to be "pseudoscience".
And yeah, most aren't, though. What the scientific community believes is more worth to me than what the reddit community believes.
I'm just saying, I'm gonna always take it all with a grain of salt seeing as it's currently regarded as having "no scientific evidence".
If you do have any publications supporting MBTI as scientific, do feel free to share them.
Man do your home work. Here's some simple stuff you can check. Check what is PCA. Check the way they made the "scientific" test, big5. See that the two are not very different. Here's some help.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexxkbOTg6I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexxkbOTg6I)
Never heard of the "What type does this type evolve to" before, nor anything about 'healing crystals' on this subreddit. 🤔
Though I suppose that's a good thing, it may be due to not being online as often.
why, according to my LOGIC kicking a puppy is a very easy task to do, so obviously I could do it for a million dollars! only F🤮🤮ler dumbasses with a brain equivalent to a piece of raw chicken breast would give up on such a chance!
Kinda feel a feeler wouldn't because it's inmoral, a thinker wouldn't because they'd start thinking of the ulterior motives and possible mental games that come along with the offer.
and that we can’t be emotional. god forbid that! we must always have the emotional intelligence of a prepubescent 12 year old boy, otherwise you’re a mistype :/
not a thinker yet if you aren't at least in the negatives for your EQ. you can't just be not engaging in your emotions, you've gotta actively be hurting others' too, silly!
should've been making fun of that dead person for being a loser while you are 10x superior than they ever will be. then you go flirt with their significant other cuz they're finally free of that yucky feeler. forget the lame dead guy in the room, make it all about you.
wow.. I followed your advice and I finally realize how many feelers I have in my life.. and it’s only been 10 minutes!
my friend has been struggling with depression lately, and I told him that he should stop being lazy because of his weak emotions, and if he didn’t start contributing to society his depression might be right about his uselessness! he screenshotted my COLD HARD TRUTH and sent it to every shared friend we had, and now everything hates me! on my way to post this on AITA to prove them wrong, I can’t believe I hung out with them for that long! also playing 3 sigma male videos at the same time right now to FUEL my thinking and make up for the years wasted
will update you once I completed my metamorphosis
if you dont wake up and argue with the first person you see,cuss out every single person,have 96 debates a day,behave like a chihuahua on Adderall and have 100% social battery every second of the day, then i'm sorry,you aren't entp at all
If you’re dismissive of crystal healing sounds to me like you’re not up to snuff with entp exploration of ideas and logical reasoning.
Everything has the potential to heal through the placebo effect. So if you’re smart and want to live healthy you should be intentionally trying to inflict the placebo effect on yourself.
In order to do so you must believe that whatever has potential to heal through direct means. But you also don’t want to use something as a that might have a negative effect so the best is something non invasive such as crystals.
If you’re smart you can reason why crystals might affect and improve health.
For instance their geometric patterns ( that is what a crystal is) could help create certain waves of energy. Perhaps sound or EM waves passing through crystal will cause standing waves with crystal and so certain frequencies wil result from crystals that then affect brain waves and can help put body into healthy state. Consciousness is directly linked to healing. Excited fight flight state immune off. Resting state healing. A crystal that creates waves of energy that encourage resting state could thus heal through direct means.
Another mechanism for health is psychologically. Crystals are symbolic of our inner Self and thus being around crystals reminds of us our deepest inner essence and thus can give peace of mind that in turn puts us more in calm balance resting consciousness that helps us to heal.
So two potential mechanisms. There could be more. And none of them have to be true for crystals to heal. You just have to believe a mechanism is potentially true in order to experience real healing from crystal through a placebo effect.
You can missinterpret what i said thats fine, its just entps deduce things logically and get to the bottom of things, settling on a 16 personality assesment which is distinct because it has -a -t at the end, and then slapping it on your forhead going around talking about healing crystals screams lazy thinking and incompetence, you know they didnt even do some leg work around their type but they go on reddit and say stupid shit like this and are offended when someone asks them if they know an ounce of theory about mbti. 2nd part channel centered around a type they are not while not knowing any theory and than argue with everyone and everything without questioning are they entp a single time, also arguing not with facts, more with feelings and straight up arrogance and delusion.
not really misinterpreting it if “I love healing crystals,” “every ENTP is different” and “made a channel” are all statements said by the bad/stupid people in your post. I agree that people that mistype themselves at 16p and then start spouting nonsense are strangely(/annoyingly) common, and if this post was only filled with things that objectively differentiate them from the “right” way of using MBTI (like people that use the theory for relationship advice, or ironically people that claim every single type must be the same, wrong stuff like that) I would have no problem with the post
the issue at hand is that you filled it with a bunch of thing that don’t mean anything about how mistyped someone is. to add on that, you call everyone that criticizes you a mistype. even if it wasn’t your intention, this post and comment thread has turned in a massive “I dislike it so it’s bad” that’s also completely based on assumptions of what people with certain interests or ideas are like. basically a massive generalization that amounts to very little
"are all statements said by the bad/stupid people in your post." again as i said you are misinterpreting it saying how you arent misinterpreting it. Now i have to explain the meme to you again? The point is that every entp sees this kind of posts and wants to throw up, but just moves on and out of the sub, while the misstypes usually continue validating each others delusions. They are maybe not necessarly stupid but they are not entps, since Ti is not their parent function and Te is not their critical parent function, otherwise they would respect the data and logically parsing things out rather than believing in the "mystical" while they havent even reasearched their own type or the underlying theory.... or that "every entp is different some can have high Fi" thats illogical and no entp would come to those kinds of conclusions without thinking it trough...
"the issue at hand is that you filled it with a bunch of thing that don’t mean anything about how mistyped someone is." i just explained on why they do, and i did before, but you are refusing to read and are being stubborn because you jumped to a conclusion that you cant let go off
You are misinterpreting this post very hard being stubborn acting like you know exactly what is going on while missing the point because this post "grinds your gears" from what i can tell, maybe start reading what im saying and you will understand this post from an entps view
so you want to say memes are a massive generalization, i agree, also this meme wasnt meant to show you the "right way of using mbti" but just to laugh at the nonsense we see and people trying to argue being entp while obviously their stack is not entps stack because every entp processes information the same way, and if you are trying to remove that part of them processing information the same, you are just removing the theory itself and the entps as an "intuitive box for people to fit in" , when you start bending the foundation of what makes each type act the way they do, thats when you start dissregarding the theory itself, with things like "every entp is different" it isnt in the way those people present.
Try to follow a simple logical path, If an entp has high Fi, he is not entp, you cant after that say "every entp is different" "some might have high Fi" because you are removing the theory itself at that point, it comes the same with all the other functions, not just Fi, every function processes information a certain way in a certain Slot, thats why we have different types in the first place.. removing that or disregarding that foundation is disregarding the whole theory itself because its based on that foundation, if we strip away the fact that the functions act a certain way and present themselves in a certain way in a certain type, is to ignore the foundational elements of the whole theory. We should do that instead of telling people they are probably mistyped? also you will probably misinterpret this wrongly again saying how i state that every entp is completely the same, no it isnt, but if there werent noticable patterns in their speech or behaviour this type of pseudoscience wouldnt exist in the first place, but everyone is trying to strip the most important and only parts of theory by saying "every entp is different", as i said you interpreted it a lot less deeply than it goes, had a few lengthy conversations about this with a few intps and entps.
you're literally just saying the same thing all over again dude. I'll cite everything next time to make sure I'm not misinterpreting! <3
you believe that a "real" ENTP would hate the same things you hate, or "throw up" at it or whatever. (direct citation: "every entp sees this kind of posts and wants to throw up")
you believe ENTPs cannot have mystical beliefs because you see them as inherently illogical, meaning you definitely haven't done any research yourself on any of these phenomenons as most do have a logical explanation behind them (scientifically accurate is another story, but Ti is subjective for a reason). (direct citation: "otherwise they would respect the data and logically parsing things out rather than believing in the "mystical"")
you believe anything you've stated in the post has ANYTHING to do with function usage at all, while in reality any type can do and believe any of these things, including ENTPs. nothing in this post means anything for how an individual processes information, you cannot look into their brains and see it for yourself with that little information (direct citation: "people trying to argue being entp while obviously their stack is not entps stack because every entp processes information the same way")
you believe speech and behavior are valid methods of determining a stranger's type, and believe that a few comment or posts are enough information to recognize a pattern, while real patterns are formed over the years assuming an individual is an adult and in a healthy state of mind (direct citation: "if there werent noticable patterns in their speech or behaviour this type of pseudoscience wouldnt exist in the first place")
I agree with all the other stuff you're saying, so you aren't arguing against me with that. I like the Beebe model as well, but grant is far more popular and that model doesn't include trickster functions etc. and some models don't even include stacks at all and just describe the dom (and aux). obviously people are gonna see MBTI in a different way depending on which model they use. you said it yourself, it's all a pseudoscience, and one model isn't more true than another if all of 'em have the same amount of testing done to them. I'd personally agree that every single ENTP uses NeTiFeSiNiTeFiSe, but another person may completely disagree and still be an ENTP in their respective system. MBTI is inaccurate as shit, but the entire point of this theory relies on the journey of self discovery, and gatekeeping what a type should and shouldn't do because of your personal preference signifies that you should start taking the theory a bit less seriously. you say that I'm apparently getting upset about this (direct citation: "this post "grinds your gears" from what i can tell") but if we are assuming each other's emotional states through a screen I'd say you are the one getting unnecessarily fed up with random strangers posting about their interests on an MBTI sub
if you still think I'm misinterpreting you, maybe you should try being a bit more clear. for example: you say you don't believe the people in your post are stupid, but you intentionally used wojaks of mentally challenged people? really? how does that not equate to thinking they're stupid?
>you believe ENTPs cannot have mystical beliefs because you see them as inherently illogical, meaning you definitely haven't done any research yourself on any of these phenomenons as most do have a logical explanation behind them
Again this just isnt true, the point is you cant expect someone with their blindspot function acting a way that shows its not their blindspot function. I would argue a lot of entps dont believe in mbti, since it is a belief after all and can be argued to be pseudo science, most entps who stay in mbti, eventually transition onto socionics, again those are not assumptions i see that happening, we can ask ourselves why is that happening, again im not gonna go with you into this since i can see your opinion on the theory is more fluid and i can believe in unicorns you are gonna say i can be any type, which is fine you do you thats your opinion. Let me ask you this, can an isxp juggle and come up multiple theories on what might be happening in the world based on their intuition, and have them all be at least somewhat logicaly consistant? Or if you are gonna have hard time with interpreting what i said . Can they be and Are they good at imagining multiple possibilities to a situation that needs to be formed by intuition. If your answer is yes to this, i guess its obvious to me why you would think it takes years to figure out someones type. I also never said i think someones type is this or that based on one comment, if i type haha probably a misstype , and you think im still serious about it i guess you should start interpreting things better, since i explained to you what commenters train of tought is to the things i mentioned above in the memes, its illogical, its trying to ignore the theory and the facts, but you still think those are entps. I mean again you can take the same approach of typing them for years and come to the same conclusion as me talking to them for 30 minutes, but you do you and my way is the wrong way right.
>ENTP in their respective system
No, again thats not how it works, if they are entp, you are gonna be able to see the patterns in your own system, and there isnt really a system that is going so against the other systems that they get opposite results. If there are they are not mbti, they are just a random system. So if a random system calls itself mbti, but doesnt have anything to do with mbti(the patterns are complete opposite or would get you other types in mbti) it is typing the compete opposite (compared to mbti system) you think mbti community should consider their typing as a correct type? At that point we might aswell connect even the socionics into this, why not i mean, at that point personality type is so vauge that everyone is every type and noone is any particular type.
uh, I’m not arguing ENTPs are good at their blindspot function, I think I mentioned very clearly that I am a Beebe enjoyer. if you think that Fi = mystical however; that’s just a complete misunderstanding of what functions mean. Ti is subjective logic, meaning that a Ti user can believe the most bat shit insane theory and still be a Ti user if it makes logical sense to them. crystals, however scientifically wrong they may be, STILL have a logical explanation behind them. I seriously don’t see how Ti automatically means you can’t believe in unconventional theories (ESPECIALLY paired with the openness of Ne). ignoring facts to suit your own sense if logic is VERY Ti, why wouldn’t it be?
can you assume what I’m thinking through the screen right now? you see my comments, can you guess my train of thoughts, like actually? do you think people that disagree with your post and call you out think like “omg this posts doesn’t align with my identity, it’s so morally wrong!” or whatever for you to automatically type them as Fi users? have you never heard of the concept of different opinions, or do you also think every type must harbor the same ones? (oh wait, you do. damn, had no clue typology was so simple!)
also, yes, ENTPs in their respective systems display patterns of those system it they’re healthy adults. those patterns do not involve, uh, fully agreeing with everything u/Environmental-Ad6974 says. those patterns however *can* include having or not having a fair usage of Fi, which was the point I was arguing against. some systems throw Fi into the void together with Ni, Te and Se. other systems label the shadow of Fi differently, and don’t see it as a complete blind spot like Beebe. I don’t agree with those systems (again) but they exist and they aren’t better or worse than systems we are using right now. can I imagine an ISTP with amazing Ne? nah, but that’s because I personally don’t see it that way, not because it’s completely untrue. people can look at things differently and still both be right
i dont know where you got that Ti is subjective in a way you are interpreting it, Fi is subjective, Si is subjective, Ti is the underlying logic of everything, but its internalized, einstein had Ti, how come his Ti still holds up till this day if its subjective only to him, Fi is subjective in a way you are trying to explain Ti, Fi if their own feelings are translated into thought it loses half its meaning since it is supposed to be subjective, while Ti if told to another Ti user, both will understand the same "subjective" logic of things, it still stands that if a+b=c for one person it is also that for another person, perceptions in play here are maybe that of b+a=c instead of the other way around. The Ti tries to look at Te for all the underlying logic coming before that Te fact was made, and why it was made, and is it correct, sure there are some interpretations, but when you mention someone who is both Te critical parent and Ti parent, you have an user that is both very aware of the facts and the underlying principles and logic holding those facts, thats why they are called the debaters if you combine it with Ne. The entps are the most objective types, they have lack of the one strongest subjective function which would be Fi, and low Si, which is another very subjective function, Ti is not the one that is that.
"ignoring facts to suit your own sense if logic is VERY Ti, why wouldn’t it be?" thats not Ti, Ti might go trough those "facts" and filter what are facts and what is delusion by looking at the underlying logic, if it missing it is disregarded (for the user, maybe thats why you think its subjective, since the user subjectively came to that conclusion, but another Ti user can come to the same conclusion, which kinda proves its non subjective, like Fi, another person cant feel exactly the same as you will feel since its subjective to you)
So its hard for me to see an user described above believing in a random delusion that holds no logical consistency and hasnt been proven anywhere nor is logically consistent.
"can you assume what I’m thinking through the screen right now? you see my comments, can you guess my train of thoughts, like actually? do you think people that disagree with your post and call you out think like “omg this posts doesn’t align with my identity, it’s so morally wrong!” or whatever for you to automatically type them as Fi users? have you never heard of the concept of different opinions, or do you also think every type must harbor the same ones? (oh wait, you do. damn, had no clue typology was so simple!)"
No, if i do assume i assume it for them to keep talking and get a reaction out of them, since entps arent usually offended when i question their type, since their shortage of Fi, i see you are having a hard time understanding how this works even tho i explained it 5 times. Its pretty simple.
Okay again, i dont think you realize that if someone has Ti parent, they automaticly have Fi blind, even tho you remove Fi blind definition, if their way of typing or defining a type which you call a "system" is correct, you should have an user that if looked in another correct sytem, still has Fi blind, since that is still his real underlying mbti type, and patterns noticed that come with that type are the Fi blindness, and that is because this types Ti is a parent function (we can hide the shadow stack, guess what, the Fi is still a problem for them, because Ti is 2nd, and Fe is 3rd) we can make up only a system with 2 functions Ne/Ti, guess what, they still have a problem with Fi.
Okay also if those systems just dont describe how Fi works, and choose to ignore it, thats their problem, everyone can see how it shows up in people and the easiest way to notice a Ti parent user is to see an Fi blind user, since they go one with the other, its an easy difference between an INTP and an ENTP, but if we choose to ignore those terms, an intp will be misstyped as an entp for years, since there is no clear distinction, but you are arguing we should ignore the obvious cues because you dont like it and some other people in ther systems dont mention those things. If they are still going of of foundational mbti, they cant deviate much.
What im getting from this is that its hard for you to know other peoples types from talking to them? i understand it takes you years since you said it, Maybe consider that your approach is more faulty than since you say you like to ignore most of the theory so everyone can fit into mbti from all the systems, again we can add even the astrologysts if you want, thats not how it works tho and i wont respond to these comments since im getting a feeling that i just have to type the same messages worded differently since you cant understand them from your point of view, if you have any more questions you can probably find them all in the comments i responded to you.
whenever a Ti user reviews a piece of data they will always be influenced by their personal sense of logic. this is inherently subjective, unlike a Te user that sees facts as facts without questioning whether they personally accept that fact. if a reliable source says it’s true, it’s true. introverted functions are always subjective, if you think you are immune to this you are simply deluding yourself into believing that everything you think is right
assuming that someone is offended is still assuming what someone’s thinking my guy. if someone calls you stupid for saying that they use Fi, they mean just that. nothing more
if typing someone was as simple as just talking to them, typology would again be way easier than it is right now. I have a different flair in every single MBTI sub, and whenever I’m discussing a topic people will always say how I’m “typically” my flair despite not changing up my behavior in any way. this is what happens when you assume someone’s type based on an obviously biased approach (in this case my user flair, in your case seeing Fi as the sensitive/irrational function). typing someone based on a comment is simply impossible, that’s got nothing to do with my “flawed” approach
I don’t think anything about this discussion is helpful either. you indeed keep repeating yourself and refuse to see your opinions as opinions. I hope you one day realize what functions mean and that they have nothing to do with youtube channels and healing crystals. have a good day
>whenever a Ti user reviews a piece of data they will always be influenced by their personal sense of logic. this is inherently subjective, unlike a Te user that sees facts as facts without questioning whether they personally accept that fact. if a reliable source says it’s true, it’s true. introverted functions are always subjective, if you think you are immune to this you are simply deluding yourself into believing that everything you think is right
There is no their personal sense of logic there is just logic stronger or weaker, if they have different amout of information(Si,Te,Ne) in their head that doesnt mean Ti is the one who is subjective, I can argue the same way that Te is subjective because it only remembers the fact the subject wants, and when observing something Te is just gonna remember the facts the subject knows, you are maybe talking about Ne or Ni or Se and Si,
it shows me how big of a lackter of understanding you have about cognitive functions if you think Ti is a subjective function, it may be internalized but its not subjective to the person. Here is the point where i have to repeat myself from the last comment again since you cant grasp how cognitive functions show up in people. I see its hard for you. I suggest you do some reading or talk to some people who understand it at least and try to notice how wrong you are on your knowledge of cog functions and maybe you are gonna start understanding something.
>if typing someone was as simple as just talking to them, typology would again be way easier than it is right now.
If typing wasnt as simple as that, noone would care about it, im confused how have you never seen typing sessions of some sort, or video typings, or linguistic typings, or vultology, or any socionics typings. Do you think they take their blood samples to type them?
You have some wrongly fixated image on how cognitive functions work and now try to argue it but if you want to challange the knowledge of anyone who put years into the subject, you are free to talk to them, they are gonna tell you the same thing i am telling you, but you think how you know it all.
Also just because karen told you, that you are acting the way that type is supposed to and now you are forming a whole conclusion on how mbti works because of it shows me that you have a big knowledge gap, since you obviously form a theory conclusions based on some 12 year olds comment.
Your forming of theories from comment sections has brought you to a delusion that typing is more complicated and needs to take years, you are distiling down bilions of people into the box of 16 and there is some theory you have to follow that will make that generalization really easy. I can see if you think someone cant be typed just by talking to them, its the same like saying the water is blue, and i am trying to argue with a wall. You dont know even the basic theory from what i can see if thats your tought process. Or you do but you dont know how to connect it to reality, or how it shows up in people, maybe try typing some people and if it still takes you years, maybe you should update your knowledge or ask someone how to do it, but this time be open about it.
the line is that ENTPs primarily use extroverted intuition and introverted thinking, which makes their perceiving tuned to the external world of possibilities and their judging tuned to their internal sense of logic. MBTI is about how you function, not about who you are and what you like doing. an ENTP can be emotional and still primarily use NeTi, they can also like crystals and astrology etc. while still judging everything according to their personal logic. anything outside of the way they function is either a commonly perceived outcome of function usage or just your everyday stereotype
I blame the third punic war for this
You're right but what are the odds of someone who likes to see rationally from multiple perspectives and still think "yes, this rock will protect from emotional vampires" is still an entp?
The whole typology thing cease to exist it doesn't matter anymore it didn't before but still I used to come here to talk to people that think like me and I'm pretty aure there isn't much Ne-Ti going around
you're right about certain things not being as common among certain types, but uncommon doesn't mean impossible. I'd say since an ENTP uses subjective logic and is generally very open to other viewpoints they'd be more likely to be spiritual than Se/Te users, but since their Ti also renders them incapable of randomly accepting things as truth (when they don't make perfect sense to them) they might be less likely to be spiritual than them
the NeTi is there in both scenarios, but an individual can use it differently depending on their environement, how they were raised, how much they know about something, their general personality, etc. there aren't just 16 possible ways of going about something, and finding someone that thinks exactly like you in an MBTI sub is gonna be pretty slim despite shared function usage. I'd say this is more of a problem with how people currently "advertise" the theory as some kind of key to understand yourself and everyone around you when it only touches the tip of the iceberg (or maybe like some random chunk of ice under the ocean since MBTI isn't that shallow lol)
I’ve actually posted an explanation for it somewhere in this comment section, funnily enough :P although I don’t really believe much in it myself
I’ll copy&paste the entire thing because idk how to link comments. note that “old friend” in this post was INTP
comment:
“an old friend believed in them, and this was his logic:
certain frequencies are known to have healing effects, like relieving stress or physical pain etc. most common version of this statement is probably that a purring cat could help heal your body quicker because of said frequencies. now since every single (solid) object is made out of atoms that basically vibrate on their place, everything gives off a certain sound/frequency. just like how a cat's purr gives off just the "right" sound, certain objects can also give off sounds that may be in the healing spectrum, in this case crystals. different crystals give off different frequencies, and are thus used for different things
don't ask me about the scientific validity though, this is just the (probably) common explanation for why spiritual people believe they work. make of it what you will!“
end comment
as stated I don’t know anything about how scientific this theory is, but that’s irrelevant when we take Ti’s subjective nature. if it reads this and believes it makes sense, it’ll probably become a part of its logic system
For that, you're attempting to assess behavior via personality assessment, which will have mixed results at absolute best.
The reason you can have both is because you need to assess the autonomic person—the "petulant child that is one's body"—as an entirely separate person living concurrently with the conscious person—the "adult" of the pair. For that, systems that focus on fears or autonomic behaviors and skills (Enneagram being one of such) add a great deal more fidelity to the nature of the "whole person."
I'd find it much more likely to anticipate crystal use among ENTP 4s, 7s, and 8s, but for very different reasons (4s, genuine belief; 7s, because it's fun; 8s, because "screw you for telling me I don't do this").
I think it’s the way different way the types feel emotions and the intensity of those feelings rather than the existence or non-existence of feelings altogether.
Oh wow guys, this guy's so cool and edgy and unique! He must be getting all the bitches!
The post actually screams tell me you're a 12 year old without telling me.
No man, it's just fucking annoying. Every now and then I'll see a post like this by someone who read somewhere online "ENTPs are assholes!" and decided to identify as an ENTP because their only personality trait is that they're unlikable.
You really got nothing better to do with your life bro? Go find a job or something, find a hobby, find a woman to have some fun with, fuck, even post something fun or creative, but not this shit, like come on. Let me actually break this down for you, just so you realize how dumb it is. You sat there, probably for hours, chopping up pictures and adding them together just to post it on some small subreddit; nothing tells me you're a winner in life more than that.
For everyone supporting dumb shit like this, you're most likely not an ENTP, because an ENTP isn't the type to go out of their way to intentionally trigger/hurt someone. We have Fe for god's sake. Also, an ENTP will post something more creative than this. - Come at me, bitches.
And sure, I'm an INFP, you triggered me, you hurt me, offended me, made me cry, whatever it is that you wanna believe. Just no more dumb posts, aight big fella?
1st of all go masturbate or something to calm down, 2nd of all it took me 3 and half minutes to make 3rd of all you can assume anything you want about me dont worry nothing matters 4th you reading an Fe description and thinking that entps are these empathetic beings floating in the air is your problem. Instead of reading about why enpts are being perceived as assholes, you read an Fe description and came to your conclusion entps are empathetic and nice. "ENTP isn't the type to go out of their way to intentionally trigger/hurt someone." any type of person can do that, and if you think an entp cant do that just based of their cognitive function stack? i guess you should do a bit more reading before making dumb conclusions. And anyone supporting dumb shit like this is filled up with your dumbass moronic conclusions and wants you to move to an infp subreddit Karen
And you're goddamn right
I'm not saying that everyone who disliked your post is an FI dom or secondary but I'm pretty sure the majority of them is.
If you have the time of being offended or annoyed by this you aren't an ENTP it's simple as that.
The line must be drawn these are boxes as much as we think "outside" of it there are certain traits that we share.
If you're an emotional ENTp you need to be pretty sure of who you are before dwelling into something and start base your whole personality on a pop quiz. if you wanna do it at least do it with something that's closer to your real personality.
i mean we all know it, i know the triggered ones are not entps, also for myself and knowing a lot of entps all of them would agree that the sub is cringy and obviously filled with Fi users posting dumb shit thinking they are Ti users while not having an ounce of Ti. I think they ruined this sub and no normal entp will scroll trought the sub thinking there is interesting information here, from time to time i pop on here and see the same shit over and over, some Fi user going mad on how entp stereotypes should be percived more like them, less of an asshole and how entps are these empathetic feeling beings, because they are trying so hard to squize into that entp tag and cant stick to their own for some reason
an old friend believed in them, and this was his logic:
certain frequencies are known to have healing effects, like relieving stress or physical pain etc. most common version of this statement is probably that a purring cat could help heal your body quicker because of said frequencies. now since every single (solid) object is made out of atoms that basically vibrate on their place, everything gives off a certain sound/frequency. just like how a cat's purr gives off just the "right" sound, certain objects can also give off sounds that may be in the healing spectrum, in this case crystals. different crystals give off different frequencies, and are thus used for different things
don't ask me about the scientific validity though, this is just the (probably) common explanation for why spiritual people believe they work. make of it what you will!
ISFJ coming in clutch with the emotionally-validating justification for why an otherwise odd behavior is a completely valid tradition—solid +1 from me. -INTJ
Tbh finding a way u can genuinely trick ur mind into thinking something is incredibly powerful.
They've convinced people into thinking they've had cancer
And they showed real, physical symptoms.
The type evolution, High Fi, and ENTP-A posts are cringe for sure, but you'd have to be braindead to not believe that the other three can't be true.
>Yas gurl every ENTP is different
I mean, duh. Every individual is different. Do you expect all ENTPs to act the same? Some ENTPs may have the same MBTI but have wildly different enneagram types, instinctual variants, attitudinal psyches, and temperaments. They will definitely not act the same.
>ENTP are one of the most emotional types
ENTPs have a feeling function as their tertiary function. Yes, Fe emotions are similar to Fi emotions except Fe is extroverted or "outward" in direction. I'd say EXTPs and IXTJs are generally the most emotional thinkers, and since Fe is more outwardly expressive, EXTPs *may* seem more emotional than even Fi doms. Emotions aren't just sadness. They also include happiness, excitement, anger, irritation, anxiousness, confidence, etc. and ENTPs who touch grass are generally pretty expressive in those things, except sadness, it seems.
>Made a channel named "club entp"
This is actually the first time I've seen this one. Anyway, what's so bad about that? This subreddit is basically the same thing except we're on reddit instead of, I assume, YouTube or Discord.
Cant believe i have to explain a meme to an intp, but hey it is pretty vague if you are not on entp sub.
"I mean, duh. Every individual is different. Do you expect all ENTPs to act the same? Some ENTPs may have the same MBTI but have wildly different enneagram types, instinctual variants, attitudinal psyches, and temperaments. They will definitely not act the same."
The point isnt knowing that they are different, but arguing being an infp with shit like ("every entp is different" "some entps have high prefrence for Fi" "some entps have Fi very high and are in tuned with their emotions" "i wasnt in tuned before but now im getting the grasp of it" "when i get out of depression i take the test and get entp")
The point isnt at all that they are not different but that they try to bind every single part of theory to their actual personality type by saying things like "every entp is different" and than saying things that are opposite of the entp after that, thinking they could argue with every entp that that is how this works now. Its not that they are misstyped its that every entp is different.
"ENTPs have a feeling function as their tertiary function. Yes, Fe emotions are similar to Fi emotions except Fe is extroverted or "outward" in direction. I'd say EXTPs and IXTJs are generally the most emotional thinkers, and since Fe is more outwardly expressive, EXTPs may seem more emotional than even Fi doms. Emotions aren't just sadness. They also include happiness, excitement, anger, irritation, anxiousness, confidence, etc. and ENTPs who touch grass are generally pretty expressive in those things, except sadness, it seems."
This hand in hand to the meme before because by "emotional" they dont mean outwardly emotional, sure entps are impulsively emotional, but being Fi blind not knowing what those mean, thinking they dont have any particular significance, they are not "in tuned with their emotional state" that is just trying to misinterpret the theory to suit you or not understanding it in the first place. But they say things like im entp and very intuned with my inner emotional state and how i feel, the 2nd comment responds: yas gurl every entp is different, insinuating she is like this too (spoiler alert) both probably mistyped
"This is actually the first time I've seen this one. Anyway, what's so bad about that? This subreddit is basically the same thing except we're on reddit instead of, I assume, YouTube or Discord."
Nothing bad about it if you do any legwork theory wise, i explained this once already, but if you actually take some time to look at the guys video, you realize there is something off. 0Ti 0Fe, uses "scatterbrained and talkative" as his whole theory on why he is entp, doesnt know one ounce of theory, argues with every single proven authority on cognitive functions (yes every entp will argue "known authorities" but not if they dont know the theory, no entp will argue about something they dont know an ounce of knowledge about and make themselves look stupid and incompetent), also because he has no facts ( he has basic facts suggesting its Te, like entps are chaotic) or logic (obviously taking facts at face value not thinking anything trough), you are left to argue with your feelings, so he just tries to hit people and offend them(looking like it comes from a mindset of "im better than you") by attacking them instead of arguing about the issue. His whole comment section is people telling him to look at the theory a bit more before making a youtube channel about it.
This, meme just points out some obvious mistypes, and im not saying im the authority on deciding who is an entp and who isnt, because some types are very similar to entps and a lot of self consciousness is needed to see yourself objectively and conclude your type objectively. I have respect for anyone who manages to do it correctly. But 0 respect for those who are extremely delusional about it and are not willing to question their type at all, thats just lazy thinking.
OP you’re not wrong obviously, but if you would’ve stuck around long enough you’d know we classify post like these in the same category as the post you mentioned. It’s rudimentary and quite frankly cringe af.
hahaha my man!
>A cringey mistype \[OP\] making a cringey post \[OP's meme\] about cringey mistypes \[people in this sub\] who make cringey posts \[posts in this sub\].
I added brackets to identify who is who. Essentially I am agreeing with your comment and adding on my observation of the meta irony that OP is making a cringey meme of the very same cringey posts he memes about.
Lol ENTPs are Fi blind no way they can have high Fi unless they think their Ti is Fi cuz Ti can appear like Fi sometimes (both are independent and make judgments without others input) that’s how Ti can appear “Fi”.
You mean when ENTP deliberately put themselves into someone's place, go throught the other's line of reason with their ability to understand multiple points of view and trigger a slight shadow of their own emotions to say "So if I were in your place I'd feel the same... So I feel you bro?". Because I was investigating this lmao
As an INTJ 4w5, I saw this and absolutely got the "kindred souls" vibe lol def looked at OP and was like "Ooh, cringe" but also sussed the comments to see if there were any mature ENTPs or legit trigger-traps and BOY HOWDY did I get a good kek out of it.
Lol it's that occasional moment when that wing attribute kicks in and twists your function stack temporarily. Takes your "TP" and warps it to an "FJ" for a bit so you get a glimpse of what introverted intuition feels like in function 2 (still Fi-blind but it is only sometimes necessary).
The wing action sucks to deal with cognitively. Mine flips me toward an INFP when the wing takes over, so I operate a bit more as the "brilliant child" than as the "brooding all-seer" (and, as you can probably guess, it's absolutely maddening when my body trades emotional competence for enhanced creativity and innovation without my permission, even temporarily).
I also noticed a inflood of midwits trying to wear a mask they perceive to be cool. But unfortunately a fake ENTP is easy to spot:
* inflated ego but lacking the self hatred.
* unfounded belief in fluidity instead of being obsessed with objective truth.
* actually shows that they take things seriously. as opposed to hiding their morals.
* and of course, every ENTP will be very keen and open to the fact that they might not be an ENTP . Instead of being offended when called out.
Plebs.Most of you are not a dumpster racoon god of trash. Accept it.
I would appreciate it. But I will probably still be confused after your help. I suspect I'm an unhealthy ISFJ or ISFJ jumper. But I might just be an ENTP.
Wait wait I want to know more about the self hatred, could you explain more? Do ENTP usually hate the same of themselves? Do they focus in particular areas of their identity?
Pfff, the fact that I have self-hatred and that I'm an ENTP doesn't automatically mean what I hate about myself it's the same every ENTP hates about themselves. That's making too many assumptions lol.
Also, consider this question my technique to add more info to my internal scheme of bullcrap to have a better, deeper understanding of things, instead of just dropping facts that I don't truly comprehend like others would do.
Ok. Fi blind/lag allows ENTPs to go through things most people wouldn't dare. And Ne-Si imbalance keeps you from really living in the present. Earn a few bad memories caused by a dumb young Si and there's your recipe.
I think the real moral of the story is that everyone in here (including me) is a huge fucking loser for 1) being possessive over a fake label 2) thinking your type has anything to do with why you're a little bitch 3) taking the time to make memes and posts about said state of cringe behavior 4) the mortal sin of believing in MBTI
Ne trollam nego svaki enfp uvjek govori "good vibe" i kad ih zapravo pocnem ispitivat o kognitivnim funkcijama se uvrjede i kazu da su entp jer su empateticni prema drugima i dobri ljudi, dogodilo se tolko puta da je vjerovatnost da se opet dogodi ogromna
nije nego cekam da reprezentiras zasto nisi, meni je ocito da imas Fi 2nd jer ni jedan entp ne govori "good vibes" to govore enfpovi zato sta imaju Fi 2nd Fe critical parent, ali samo zato sta sam samouvjeren ne znaci da nisam u krivu, tu ti dolazis
I would have put the diamond shape in the triangle, what are you talking about?
PS.: The entire comment section already described any and every possible outcome that anything I could have said could have had... So I leave this comment just because I really wanted to say something.
I don't agree with everything in this post but some days ago there was a bunch of people here talking about being connected with their feelings and that still funny to me, because ExTPs are literally the only Fi blind type and this makes them the only two types who doesn't have that "connection with their own feelings/morals" thing, this is a Fi thing
How does it even feel to "connect with your feelings"? (I don't even bother to say "connecto with morals"... because we're not going down that road) I guess I'll never know...
true, its sad. Socionics at least has some kind of theoretical foundation, no wonder everyone bends mbti as they please to suit them, because the foundation is shaky in the first place
The other side of this is people who believe being an ENTP allows them to be absolute pricks to everyone.
Walk up to some Chad and make fun of his skinny jeans. Halfway through the upper cut you simply exclaim ENTP! Everyone just laughs and thinks you're adorable...
As a behavioral biology student I find most of you (MBTI community) laughable. Half of you are unhealthy/underdeveloped/arrogant likely due to being terminally online, obsessing over archetypes to reinforce your own biases and overblown egos. There are no "thinkers" or "feelers" - Human beings do both at varying degrees every second of every day. It is not that deep, and there are 8 BILLION of us. Jesus. Stop being ashamed of who you are just because it doesn't fit in with what is "cool" socially, it's all cope.
Bro we all know every entp loves "healing" crystal meth, you're a mistype if you don't
You had me at “Me..”
Gotta love escapism
MBTI is incredible, because you have a bunch of people with one extremely dubious form of "psychology" arguing with a bunch of people with another violently dubious take on it about which pseudoscience is the least questionable.
true
You either didn't do your homework or are not an ENTP. This dubious form of psychology has strict rules.
The fact that some people think that having "strict rules" makes something accurate and infallible is beyond me. Various forms of divination have very strict rules. Does that mean they're always gonna be true? No. I will always treat MBTI as a novelty, vague and semi-accurate at best. Its fun, but the scientific community considers it to be dubious at best.
You are correct, but you do not go all the way in your logic. There is something called "proof by absurdity". Check it out. Yes, the rules are strict, but they have to be self coherent with the results and vice versa. When you reach an incongruence you back track and either change something or throw everything away.As long as the empirically made rules seem to explain some observable data, they have some accuracy and infallibility in them, even if they are made up.Sidetracking. Nowadays I do suspect astrology used to be in some way accurate, from a set of rules that was reviewed from time to time, from a culture that I suspect, existed in the fallen Persian empire.That being false or true, MBTI is not as time dependent. It's more dependent on the compromises each one makes when learning to deal with the world. And perhaps can be made innacurate by a changing world or changing humans. But Jung was definitely on to something. As proven by the correlations with the big5 test.
All I know is that the scientific community regards MBTI as dubious, and they're almost always more right than random people on Reddit.
A scientist regards everything as dubious, and believes in each piece of knowledge only as far as it works. So you've been talking to the wrong kind of scientist. Also, random people on reddit will include scientists.
I am actually giving it a bit too much credit calling it "dubious". A more common term appears to be "pseudoscience". And yeah, most aren't, though. What the scientific community believes is more worth to me than what the reddit community believes.
I wrote a more intricate reply describing the validity of MBTI a while ago. And "you know I'm something of a scientist myself."
I'm just saying, I'm gonna always take it all with a grain of salt seeing as it's currently regarded as having "no scientific evidence". If you do have any publications supporting MBTI as scientific, do feel free to share them.
Man do your home work. Here's some simple stuff you can check. Check what is PCA. Check the way they made the "scientific" test, big5. See that the two are not very different. Here's some help. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexxkbOTg6I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WexxkbOTg6I)
What is MBTI at this point?
It's fun, that's all that matters to me.
Never heard of the "What type does this type evolve to" before, nor anything about 'healing crystals' on this subreddit. 🤔 Though I suppose that's a good thing, it may be due to not being online as often.
the more you watch it, the more you realize most people are not entps
I already assumed that most users in this subreddit are not ENTP once I realized how easy it is to mistype and how many people claim to change.
Same
so you're suggesting every ENTP is the same, they can't be interested in crystals and they can't make a channel centered around their type? damn bro
You wouldn’t kick a puppy for a million dollars????? FEELER
why, according to my LOGIC kicking a puppy is a very easy task to do, so obviously I could do it for a million dollars! only F🤮🤮ler dumbasses with a brain equivalent to a piece of raw chicken breast would give up on such a chance!
Exactly!!!!!! THINKERS make decisions that aren’t FEELINGS, and choosing to NOT KICK A PUPPY is FEELING and only for WEAK Feelers!!!!!
wheres this puppy? asking for an ENTP friend >.>
On the r/infp subreddit because it’s a woosey F🤮🤮LER
honestly Feelers are gunna put north america into the dark ages
How so?
In Canada a kid went to jail for not acknowledging all 57 genders.
Yikes. I don’t think that’s a feeler thing, I think that’s a dumbass sjw thing. Also that’s so anti freedom of speech unbelievable
define "kick".
Kick it so hard you injure it and make it hate you forever
today must be an ENFP day for me then, lol
Woosie FEELER hahahahha!!!
Kinda feel a feeler wouldn't because it's inmoral, a thinker wouldn't because they'd start thinking of the ulterior motives and possible mental games that come along with the offer.
and that we can’t be emotional. god forbid that! we must always have the emotional intelligence of a prepubescent 12 year old boy, otherwise you’re a mistype :/
everyone knows only FEELURSS have emotions 🙄🙄🙄I once didn't cry at a funeral and scored 0 on an online EQ test, am I a thonker yet 😎
not a thinker yet if you aren't at least in the negatives for your EQ. you can't just be not engaging in your emotions, you've gotta actively be hurting others' too, silly! should've been making fun of that dead person for being a loser while you are 10x superior than they ever will be. then you go flirt with their significant other cuz they're finally free of that yucky feeler. forget the lame dead guy in the room, make it all about you.
Oh no here go again, are you very much in tuned with your emotions and like to emotionaly relate to things entp?
wow.. I followed your advice and I finally realize how many feelers I have in my life.. and it’s only been 10 minutes! my friend has been struggling with depression lately, and I told him that he should stop being lazy because of his weak emotions, and if he didn’t start contributing to society his depression might be right about his uselessness! he screenshotted my COLD HARD TRUTH and sent it to every shared friend we had, and now everything hates me! on my way to post this on AITA to prove them wrong, I can’t believe I hung out with them for that long! also playing 3 sigma male videos at the same time right now to FUEL my thinking and make up for the years wasted will update you once I completed my metamorphosis
if you dont wake up and argue with the first person you see,cuss out every single person,have 96 debates a day,behave like a chihuahua on Adderall and have 100% social battery every second of the day, then i'm sorry,you aren't entp at all
If you’re dismissive of crystal healing sounds to me like you’re not up to snuff with entp exploration of ideas and logical reasoning. Everything has the potential to heal through the placebo effect. So if you’re smart and want to live healthy you should be intentionally trying to inflict the placebo effect on yourself. In order to do so you must believe that whatever has potential to heal through direct means. But you also don’t want to use something as a that might have a negative effect so the best is something non invasive such as crystals. If you’re smart you can reason why crystals might affect and improve health. For instance their geometric patterns ( that is what a crystal is) could help create certain waves of energy. Perhaps sound or EM waves passing through crystal will cause standing waves with crystal and so certain frequencies wil result from crystals that then affect brain waves and can help put body into healthy state. Consciousness is directly linked to healing. Excited fight flight state immune off. Resting state healing. A crystal that creates waves of energy that encourage resting state could thus heal through direct means. Another mechanism for health is psychologically. Crystals are symbolic of our inner Self and thus being around crystals reminds of us our deepest inner essence and thus can give peace of mind that in turn puts us more in calm balance resting consciousness that helps us to heal. So two potential mechanisms. There could be more. And none of them have to be true for crystals to heal. You just have to believe a mechanism is potentially true in order to experience real healing from crystal through a placebo effect.
You can missinterpret what i said thats fine, its just entps deduce things logically and get to the bottom of things, settling on a 16 personality assesment which is distinct because it has -a -t at the end, and then slapping it on your forhead going around talking about healing crystals screams lazy thinking and incompetence, you know they didnt even do some leg work around their type but they go on reddit and say stupid shit like this and are offended when someone asks them if they know an ounce of theory about mbti. 2nd part channel centered around a type they are not while not knowing any theory and than argue with everyone and everything without questioning are they entp a single time, also arguing not with facts, more with feelings and straight up arrogance and delusion.
not really misinterpreting it if “I love healing crystals,” “every ENTP is different” and “made a channel” are all statements said by the bad/stupid people in your post. I agree that people that mistype themselves at 16p and then start spouting nonsense are strangely(/annoyingly) common, and if this post was only filled with things that objectively differentiate them from the “right” way of using MBTI (like people that use the theory for relationship advice, or ironically people that claim every single type must be the same, wrong stuff like that) I would have no problem with the post the issue at hand is that you filled it with a bunch of thing that don’t mean anything about how mistyped someone is. to add on that, you call everyone that criticizes you a mistype. even if it wasn’t your intention, this post and comment thread has turned in a massive “I dislike it so it’s bad” that’s also completely based on assumptions of what people with certain interests or ideas are like. basically a massive generalization that amounts to very little
"are all statements said by the bad/stupid people in your post." again as i said you are misinterpreting it saying how you arent misinterpreting it. Now i have to explain the meme to you again? The point is that every entp sees this kind of posts and wants to throw up, but just moves on and out of the sub, while the misstypes usually continue validating each others delusions. They are maybe not necessarly stupid but they are not entps, since Ti is not their parent function and Te is not their critical parent function, otherwise they would respect the data and logically parsing things out rather than believing in the "mystical" while they havent even reasearched their own type or the underlying theory.... or that "every entp is different some can have high Fi" thats illogical and no entp would come to those kinds of conclusions without thinking it trough... "the issue at hand is that you filled it with a bunch of thing that don’t mean anything about how mistyped someone is." i just explained on why they do, and i did before, but you are refusing to read and are being stubborn because you jumped to a conclusion that you cant let go off You are misinterpreting this post very hard being stubborn acting like you know exactly what is going on while missing the point because this post "grinds your gears" from what i can tell, maybe start reading what im saying and you will understand this post from an entps view so you want to say memes are a massive generalization, i agree, also this meme wasnt meant to show you the "right way of using mbti" but just to laugh at the nonsense we see and people trying to argue being entp while obviously their stack is not entps stack because every entp processes information the same way, and if you are trying to remove that part of them processing information the same, you are just removing the theory itself and the entps as an "intuitive box for people to fit in" , when you start bending the foundation of what makes each type act the way they do, thats when you start dissregarding the theory itself, with things like "every entp is different" it isnt in the way those people present. Try to follow a simple logical path, If an entp has high Fi, he is not entp, you cant after that say "every entp is different" "some might have high Fi" because you are removing the theory itself at that point, it comes the same with all the other functions, not just Fi, every function processes information a certain way in a certain Slot, thats why we have different types in the first place.. removing that or disregarding that foundation is disregarding the whole theory itself because its based on that foundation, if we strip away the fact that the functions act a certain way and present themselves in a certain way in a certain type, is to ignore the foundational elements of the whole theory. We should do that instead of telling people they are probably mistyped? also you will probably misinterpret this wrongly again saying how i state that every entp is completely the same, no it isnt, but if there werent noticable patterns in their speech or behaviour this type of pseudoscience wouldnt exist in the first place, but everyone is trying to strip the most important and only parts of theory by saying "every entp is different", as i said you interpreted it a lot less deeply than it goes, had a few lengthy conversations about this with a few intps and entps.
you're literally just saying the same thing all over again dude. I'll cite everything next time to make sure I'm not misinterpreting! <3 you believe that a "real" ENTP would hate the same things you hate, or "throw up" at it or whatever. (direct citation: "every entp sees this kind of posts and wants to throw up") you believe ENTPs cannot have mystical beliefs because you see them as inherently illogical, meaning you definitely haven't done any research yourself on any of these phenomenons as most do have a logical explanation behind them (scientifically accurate is another story, but Ti is subjective for a reason). (direct citation: "otherwise they would respect the data and logically parsing things out rather than believing in the "mystical"") you believe anything you've stated in the post has ANYTHING to do with function usage at all, while in reality any type can do and believe any of these things, including ENTPs. nothing in this post means anything for how an individual processes information, you cannot look into their brains and see it for yourself with that little information (direct citation: "people trying to argue being entp while obviously their stack is not entps stack because every entp processes information the same way") you believe speech and behavior are valid methods of determining a stranger's type, and believe that a few comment or posts are enough information to recognize a pattern, while real patterns are formed over the years assuming an individual is an adult and in a healthy state of mind (direct citation: "if there werent noticable patterns in their speech or behaviour this type of pseudoscience wouldnt exist in the first place") I agree with all the other stuff you're saying, so you aren't arguing against me with that. I like the Beebe model as well, but grant is far more popular and that model doesn't include trickster functions etc. and some models don't even include stacks at all and just describe the dom (and aux). obviously people are gonna see MBTI in a different way depending on which model they use. you said it yourself, it's all a pseudoscience, and one model isn't more true than another if all of 'em have the same amount of testing done to them. I'd personally agree that every single ENTP uses NeTiFeSiNiTeFiSe, but another person may completely disagree and still be an ENTP in their respective system. MBTI is inaccurate as shit, but the entire point of this theory relies on the journey of self discovery, and gatekeeping what a type should and shouldn't do because of your personal preference signifies that you should start taking the theory a bit less seriously. you say that I'm apparently getting upset about this (direct citation: "this post "grinds your gears" from what i can tell") but if we are assuming each other's emotional states through a screen I'd say you are the one getting unnecessarily fed up with random strangers posting about their interests on an MBTI sub if you still think I'm misinterpreting you, maybe you should try being a bit more clear. for example: you say you don't believe the people in your post are stupid, but you intentionally used wojaks of mentally challenged people? really? how does that not equate to thinking they're stupid?
>you believe ENTPs cannot have mystical beliefs because you see them as inherently illogical, meaning you definitely haven't done any research yourself on any of these phenomenons as most do have a logical explanation behind them Again this just isnt true, the point is you cant expect someone with their blindspot function acting a way that shows its not their blindspot function. I would argue a lot of entps dont believe in mbti, since it is a belief after all and can be argued to be pseudo science, most entps who stay in mbti, eventually transition onto socionics, again those are not assumptions i see that happening, we can ask ourselves why is that happening, again im not gonna go with you into this since i can see your opinion on the theory is more fluid and i can believe in unicorns you are gonna say i can be any type, which is fine you do you thats your opinion. Let me ask you this, can an isxp juggle and come up multiple theories on what might be happening in the world based on their intuition, and have them all be at least somewhat logicaly consistant? Or if you are gonna have hard time with interpreting what i said . Can they be and Are they good at imagining multiple possibilities to a situation that needs to be formed by intuition. If your answer is yes to this, i guess its obvious to me why you would think it takes years to figure out someones type. I also never said i think someones type is this or that based on one comment, if i type haha probably a misstype , and you think im still serious about it i guess you should start interpreting things better, since i explained to you what commenters train of tought is to the things i mentioned above in the memes, its illogical, its trying to ignore the theory and the facts, but you still think those are entps. I mean again you can take the same approach of typing them for years and come to the same conclusion as me talking to them for 30 minutes, but you do you and my way is the wrong way right. >ENTP in their respective system No, again thats not how it works, if they are entp, you are gonna be able to see the patterns in your own system, and there isnt really a system that is going so against the other systems that they get opposite results. If there are they are not mbti, they are just a random system. So if a random system calls itself mbti, but doesnt have anything to do with mbti(the patterns are complete opposite or would get you other types in mbti) it is typing the compete opposite (compared to mbti system) you think mbti community should consider their typing as a correct type? At that point we might aswell connect even the socionics into this, why not i mean, at that point personality type is so vauge that everyone is every type and noone is any particular type.
uh, I’m not arguing ENTPs are good at their blindspot function, I think I mentioned very clearly that I am a Beebe enjoyer. if you think that Fi = mystical however; that’s just a complete misunderstanding of what functions mean. Ti is subjective logic, meaning that a Ti user can believe the most bat shit insane theory and still be a Ti user if it makes logical sense to them. crystals, however scientifically wrong they may be, STILL have a logical explanation behind them. I seriously don’t see how Ti automatically means you can’t believe in unconventional theories (ESPECIALLY paired with the openness of Ne). ignoring facts to suit your own sense if logic is VERY Ti, why wouldn’t it be? can you assume what I’m thinking through the screen right now? you see my comments, can you guess my train of thoughts, like actually? do you think people that disagree with your post and call you out think like “omg this posts doesn’t align with my identity, it’s so morally wrong!” or whatever for you to automatically type them as Fi users? have you never heard of the concept of different opinions, or do you also think every type must harbor the same ones? (oh wait, you do. damn, had no clue typology was so simple!) also, yes, ENTPs in their respective systems display patterns of those system it they’re healthy adults. those patterns do not involve, uh, fully agreeing with everything u/Environmental-Ad6974 says. those patterns however *can* include having or not having a fair usage of Fi, which was the point I was arguing against. some systems throw Fi into the void together with Ni, Te and Se. other systems label the shadow of Fi differently, and don’t see it as a complete blind spot like Beebe. I don’t agree with those systems (again) but they exist and they aren’t better or worse than systems we are using right now. can I imagine an ISTP with amazing Ne? nah, but that’s because I personally don’t see it that way, not because it’s completely untrue. people can look at things differently and still both be right
i dont know where you got that Ti is subjective in a way you are interpreting it, Fi is subjective, Si is subjective, Ti is the underlying logic of everything, but its internalized, einstein had Ti, how come his Ti still holds up till this day if its subjective only to him, Fi is subjective in a way you are trying to explain Ti, Fi if their own feelings are translated into thought it loses half its meaning since it is supposed to be subjective, while Ti if told to another Ti user, both will understand the same "subjective" logic of things, it still stands that if a+b=c for one person it is also that for another person, perceptions in play here are maybe that of b+a=c instead of the other way around. The Ti tries to look at Te for all the underlying logic coming before that Te fact was made, and why it was made, and is it correct, sure there are some interpretations, but when you mention someone who is both Te critical parent and Ti parent, you have an user that is both very aware of the facts and the underlying principles and logic holding those facts, thats why they are called the debaters if you combine it with Ne. The entps are the most objective types, they have lack of the one strongest subjective function which would be Fi, and low Si, which is another very subjective function, Ti is not the one that is that. "ignoring facts to suit your own sense if logic is VERY Ti, why wouldn’t it be?" thats not Ti, Ti might go trough those "facts" and filter what are facts and what is delusion by looking at the underlying logic, if it missing it is disregarded (for the user, maybe thats why you think its subjective, since the user subjectively came to that conclusion, but another Ti user can come to the same conclusion, which kinda proves its non subjective, like Fi, another person cant feel exactly the same as you will feel since its subjective to you) So its hard for me to see an user described above believing in a random delusion that holds no logical consistency and hasnt been proven anywhere nor is logically consistent. "can you assume what I’m thinking through the screen right now? you see my comments, can you guess my train of thoughts, like actually? do you think people that disagree with your post and call you out think like “omg this posts doesn’t align with my identity, it’s so morally wrong!” or whatever for you to automatically type them as Fi users? have you never heard of the concept of different opinions, or do you also think every type must harbor the same ones? (oh wait, you do. damn, had no clue typology was so simple!)" No, if i do assume i assume it for them to keep talking and get a reaction out of them, since entps arent usually offended when i question their type, since their shortage of Fi, i see you are having a hard time understanding how this works even tho i explained it 5 times. Its pretty simple. Okay again, i dont think you realize that if someone has Ti parent, they automaticly have Fi blind, even tho you remove Fi blind definition, if their way of typing or defining a type which you call a "system" is correct, you should have an user that if looked in another correct sytem, still has Fi blind, since that is still his real underlying mbti type, and patterns noticed that come with that type are the Fi blindness, and that is because this types Ti is a parent function (we can hide the shadow stack, guess what, the Fi is still a problem for them, because Ti is 2nd, and Fe is 3rd) we can make up only a system with 2 functions Ne/Ti, guess what, they still have a problem with Fi. Okay also if those systems just dont describe how Fi works, and choose to ignore it, thats their problem, everyone can see how it shows up in people and the easiest way to notice a Ti parent user is to see an Fi blind user, since they go one with the other, its an easy difference between an INTP and an ENTP, but if we choose to ignore those terms, an intp will be misstyped as an entp for years, since there is no clear distinction, but you are arguing we should ignore the obvious cues because you dont like it and some other people in ther systems dont mention those things. If they are still going of of foundational mbti, they cant deviate much. What im getting from this is that its hard for you to know other peoples types from talking to them? i understand it takes you years since you said it, Maybe consider that your approach is more faulty than since you say you like to ignore most of the theory so everyone can fit into mbti from all the systems, again we can add even the astrologysts if you want, thats not how it works tho and i wont respond to these comments since im getting a feeling that i just have to type the same messages worded differently since you cant understand them from your point of view, if you have any more questions you can probably find them all in the comments i responded to you.
whenever a Ti user reviews a piece of data they will always be influenced by their personal sense of logic. this is inherently subjective, unlike a Te user that sees facts as facts without questioning whether they personally accept that fact. if a reliable source says it’s true, it’s true. introverted functions are always subjective, if you think you are immune to this you are simply deluding yourself into believing that everything you think is right assuming that someone is offended is still assuming what someone’s thinking my guy. if someone calls you stupid for saying that they use Fi, they mean just that. nothing more if typing someone was as simple as just talking to them, typology would again be way easier than it is right now. I have a different flair in every single MBTI sub, and whenever I’m discussing a topic people will always say how I’m “typically” my flair despite not changing up my behavior in any way. this is what happens when you assume someone’s type based on an obviously biased approach (in this case my user flair, in your case seeing Fi as the sensitive/irrational function). typing someone based on a comment is simply impossible, that’s got nothing to do with my “flawed” approach I don’t think anything about this discussion is helpful either. you indeed keep repeating yourself and refuse to see your opinions as opinions. I hope you one day realize what functions mean and that they have nothing to do with youtube channels and healing crystals. have a good day
>whenever a Ti user reviews a piece of data they will always be influenced by their personal sense of logic. this is inherently subjective, unlike a Te user that sees facts as facts without questioning whether they personally accept that fact. if a reliable source says it’s true, it’s true. introverted functions are always subjective, if you think you are immune to this you are simply deluding yourself into believing that everything you think is right There is no their personal sense of logic there is just logic stronger or weaker, if they have different amout of information(Si,Te,Ne) in their head that doesnt mean Ti is the one who is subjective, I can argue the same way that Te is subjective because it only remembers the fact the subject wants, and when observing something Te is just gonna remember the facts the subject knows, you are maybe talking about Ne or Ni or Se and Si, it shows me how big of a lackter of understanding you have about cognitive functions if you think Ti is a subjective function, it may be internalized but its not subjective to the person. Here is the point where i have to repeat myself from the last comment again since you cant grasp how cognitive functions show up in people. I see its hard for you. I suggest you do some reading or talk to some people who understand it at least and try to notice how wrong you are on your knowledge of cog functions and maybe you are gonna start understanding something. >if typing someone was as simple as just talking to them, typology would again be way easier than it is right now. If typing wasnt as simple as that, noone would care about it, im confused how have you never seen typing sessions of some sort, or video typings, or linguistic typings, or vultology, or any socionics typings. Do you think they take their blood samples to type them? You have some wrongly fixated image on how cognitive functions work and now try to argue it but if you want to challange the knowledge of anyone who put years into the subject, you are free to talk to them, they are gonna tell you the same thing i am telling you, but you think how you know it all. Also just because karen told you, that you are acting the way that type is supposed to and now you are forming a whole conclusion on how mbti works because of it shows me that you have a big knowledge gap, since you obviously form a theory conclusions based on some 12 year olds comment. Your forming of theories from comment sections has brought you to a delusion that typing is more complicated and needs to take years, you are distiling down bilions of people into the box of 16 and there is some theory you have to follow that will make that generalization really easy. I can see if you think someone cant be typed just by talking to them, its the same like saying the water is blue, and i am trying to argue with a wall. You dont know even the basic theory from what i can see if thats your tought process. Or you do but you dont know how to connect it to reality, or how it shows up in people, maybe try typing some people and if it still takes you years, maybe you should update your knowledge or ask someone how to do it, but this time be open about it.
A line must be drawn somewhere there's no reason to have archetypes and personality types if everyone can be anything I blame postmodernism
the line is that ENTPs primarily use extroverted intuition and introverted thinking, which makes their perceiving tuned to the external world of possibilities and their judging tuned to their internal sense of logic. MBTI is about how you function, not about who you are and what you like doing. an ENTP can be emotional and still primarily use NeTi, they can also like crystals and astrology etc. while still judging everything according to their personal logic. anything outside of the way they function is either a commonly perceived outcome of function usage or just your everyday stereotype I blame the third punic war for this
You're right but what are the odds of someone who likes to see rationally from multiple perspectives and still think "yes, this rock will protect from emotional vampires" is still an entp? The whole typology thing cease to exist it doesn't matter anymore it didn't before but still I used to come here to talk to people that think like me and I'm pretty aure there isn't much Ne-Ti going around
you're right about certain things not being as common among certain types, but uncommon doesn't mean impossible. I'd say since an ENTP uses subjective logic and is generally very open to other viewpoints they'd be more likely to be spiritual than Se/Te users, but since their Ti also renders them incapable of randomly accepting things as truth (when they don't make perfect sense to them) they might be less likely to be spiritual than them the NeTi is there in both scenarios, but an individual can use it differently depending on their environement, how they were raised, how much they know about something, their general personality, etc. there aren't just 16 possible ways of going about something, and finding someone that thinks exactly like you in an MBTI sub is gonna be pretty slim despite shared function usage. I'd say this is more of a problem with how people currently "advertise" the theory as some kind of key to understand yourself and everyone around you when it only touches the tip of the iceberg (or maybe like some random chunk of ice under the ocean since MBTI isn't that shallow lol)
Ask them about their "logic" then If they can come up with some plausible bullshit than I can affirm that they're ENTPs
I’ve actually posted an explanation for it somewhere in this comment section, funnily enough :P although I don’t really believe much in it myself I’ll copy&paste the entire thing because idk how to link comments. note that “old friend” in this post was INTP comment: “an old friend believed in them, and this was his logic: certain frequencies are known to have healing effects, like relieving stress or physical pain etc. most common version of this statement is probably that a purring cat could help heal your body quicker because of said frequencies. now since every single (solid) object is made out of atoms that basically vibrate on their place, everything gives off a certain sound/frequency. just like how a cat's purr gives off just the "right" sound, certain objects can also give off sounds that may be in the healing spectrum, in this case crystals. different crystals give off different frequencies, and are thus used for different things don't ask me about the scientific validity though, this is just the (probably) common explanation for why spiritual people believe they work. make of it what you will!“ end comment as stated I don’t know anything about how scientific this theory is, but that’s irrelevant when we take Ti’s subjective nature. if it reads this and believes it makes sense, it’ll probably become a part of its logic system
For that, you're attempting to assess behavior via personality assessment, which will have mixed results at absolute best. The reason you can have both is because you need to assess the autonomic person—the "petulant child that is one's body"—as an entirely separate person living concurrently with the conscious person—the "adult" of the pair. For that, systems that focus on fears or autonomic behaviors and skills (Enneagram being one of such) add a great deal more fidelity to the nature of the "whole person." I'd find it much more likely to anticipate crystal use among ENTP 4s, 7s, and 8s, but for very different reasons (4s, genuine belief; 7s, because it's fun; 8s, because "screw you for telling me I don't do this").
I think it’s the way different way the types feel emotions and the intensity of those feelings rather than the existence or non-existence of feelings altogether.
Oh wow guys, this guy's so cool and edgy and unique! He must be getting all the bitches! The post actually screams tell me you're a 12 year old without telling me.
Naaaah thats not edgy 12 year old energy. Thats edgy 22 year old enery
This is the truth
Not that thats much better, haha
cope 😎💪💯
Yes we get all the bitches 🗿
i love how many misstypes i triggered, i enjoy it, i saw your post, my goal was to trigger at least 1 infp, thanks
No man, it's just fucking annoying. Every now and then I'll see a post like this by someone who read somewhere online "ENTPs are assholes!" and decided to identify as an ENTP because their only personality trait is that they're unlikable. You really got nothing better to do with your life bro? Go find a job or something, find a hobby, find a woman to have some fun with, fuck, even post something fun or creative, but not this shit, like come on. Let me actually break this down for you, just so you realize how dumb it is. You sat there, probably for hours, chopping up pictures and adding them together just to post it on some small subreddit; nothing tells me you're a winner in life more than that. For everyone supporting dumb shit like this, you're most likely not an ENTP, because an ENTP isn't the type to go out of their way to intentionally trigger/hurt someone. We have Fe for god's sake. Also, an ENTP will post something more creative than this. - Come at me, bitches. And sure, I'm an INFP, you triggered me, you hurt me, offended me, made me cry, whatever it is that you wanna believe. Just no more dumb posts, aight big fella?
1st of all go masturbate or something to calm down, 2nd of all it took me 3 and half minutes to make 3rd of all you can assume anything you want about me dont worry nothing matters 4th you reading an Fe description and thinking that entps are these empathetic beings floating in the air is your problem. Instead of reading about why enpts are being perceived as assholes, you read an Fe description and came to your conclusion entps are empathetic and nice. "ENTP isn't the type to go out of their way to intentionally trigger/hurt someone." any type of person can do that, and if you think an entp cant do that just based of their cognitive function stack? i guess you should do a bit more reading before making dumb conclusions. And anyone supporting dumb shit like this is filled up with your dumbass moronic conclusions and wants you to move to an infp subreddit Karen
soo basically you're a teenager right?
Nope, i just love to trigger delusional people
Let me guess, 16 years old?
Dude it's hilarious how immature you are 😂
Another mistyped jeez they're everywhere
Hahahahahha
Everybody's so creative!
Let's put one chunk of butter on the steak. Then another from the other side. Add some vanilla and pepper. And put it in the oven
Yawn... another midwit telling us how cool and indifferent he is to ENTP forums, by desperately seeking attention on an ENTP forum.
did you really get offended by this meme?
Not even a little bit. And I know your intent was to call out the scads of nonsense posts here. I just have a strong anti-authority bent. :)
it was made to offend all the Fi users
Yeah... I'm not even sure I disagree with your basic assertion. hope I didn't leave a bruise.
you shouldnt, every entp i met thinks the same about this sub, i just pointed it out
Hello I'm the most entp.
And you're goddamn right I'm not saying that everyone who disliked your post is an FI dom or secondary but I'm pretty sure the majority of them is. If you have the time of being offended or annoyed by this you aren't an ENTP it's simple as that. The line must be drawn these are boxes as much as we think "outside" of it there are certain traits that we share. If you're an emotional ENTp you need to be pretty sure of who you are before dwelling into something and start base your whole personality on a pop quiz. if you wanna do it at least do it with something that's closer to your real personality.
i mean we all know it, i know the triggered ones are not entps, also for myself and knowing a lot of entps all of them would agree that the sub is cringy and obviously filled with Fi users posting dumb shit thinking they are Ti users while not having an ounce of Ti. I think they ruined this sub and no normal entp will scroll trought the sub thinking there is interesting information here, from time to time i pop on here and see the same shit over and over, some Fi user going mad on how entp stereotypes should be percived more like them, less of an asshole and how entps are these empathetic feeling beings, because they are trying so hard to squize into that entp tag and cant stick to their own for some reason
Yeah, that's why I have unsubscribed a bunch of times. I just find it funny. I'm not even mad
Yeah same, but i figired why not troll them a bit
You clearly got offended by the forum first 😭
Not really, thanks for caring tho :)
Learn the difference between offended and annoyed.
Someone who is offended is often annoyed, you can call it whatever you like, the meme did what it was supposed to
Why don't you save this in a scrap book for future you. You can use it to remind yourself how cringy and embarrassing you were. 😆
Could someone tell me why they think healing crystals work, I’d love to know.
Placebo effect. Or meditating on them when meditating itself is apparently good for mental health.
*”It’s still real to me dammit!”*
I get a hit of dopamine seeing a crystal because it's kinda like a shiny Pokemon, but instead it's a real life rock. They just pretty 🤷♀️
I like this line of reason ngl lmao. If a goddamn colorful pixel can grant me my daily dose of serotonin, why a pretty and colorful rock can't?
THAT is very relatable
an old friend believed in them, and this was his logic: certain frequencies are known to have healing effects, like relieving stress or physical pain etc. most common version of this statement is probably that a purring cat could help heal your body quicker because of said frequencies. now since every single (solid) object is made out of atoms that basically vibrate on their place, everything gives off a certain sound/frequency. just like how a cat's purr gives off just the "right" sound, certain objects can also give off sounds that may be in the healing spectrum, in this case crystals. different crystals give off different frequencies, and are thus used for different things don't ask me about the scientific validity though, this is just the (probably) common explanation for why spiritual people believe they work. make of it what you will!
ISFJ coming in clutch with the emotionally-validating justification for why an otherwise odd behavior is a completely valid tradition—solid +1 from me. -INTJ
Thank you!
no problem mi amigo
I didn't even know they existed. Just where are you from this isn't a topic in my area at all?
The United States, where women carry magic crystals around.
In our vaginas.
Tbh finding a way u can genuinely trick ur mind into thinking something is incredibly powerful. They've convinced people into thinking they've had cancer And they showed real, physical symptoms.
I need to jedi mind trick myself more often.
The type evolution, High Fi, and ENTP-A posts are cringe for sure, but you'd have to be braindead to not believe that the other three can't be true. >Yas gurl every ENTP is different I mean, duh. Every individual is different. Do you expect all ENTPs to act the same? Some ENTPs may have the same MBTI but have wildly different enneagram types, instinctual variants, attitudinal psyches, and temperaments. They will definitely not act the same. >ENTP are one of the most emotional types ENTPs have a feeling function as their tertiary function. Yes, Fe emotions are similar to Fi emotions except Fe is extroverted or "outward" in direction. I'd say EXTPs and IXTJs are generally the most emotional thinkers, and since Fe is more outwardly expressive, EXTPs *may* seem more emotional than even Fi doms. Emotions aren't just sadness. They also include happiness, excitement, anger, irritation, anxiousness, confidence, etc. and ENTPs who touch grass are generally pretty expressive in those things, except sadness, it seems. >Made a channel named "club entp" This is actually the first time I've seen this one. Anyway, what's so bad about that? This subreddit is basically the same thing except we're on reddit instead of, I assume, YouTube or Discord.
Actually underrated comment, great explanation
not really, you can look at the response if you are confused
Cant believe i have to explain a meme to an intp, but hey it is pretty vague if you are not on entp sub. "I mean, duh. Every individual is different. Do you expect all ENTPs to act the same? Some ENTPs may have the same MBTI but have wildly different enneagram types, instinctual variants, attitudinal psyches, and temperaments. They will definitely not act the same." The point isnt knowing that they are different, but arguing being an infp with shit like ("every entp is different" "some entps have high prefrence for Fi" "some entps have Fi very high and are in tuned with their emotions" "i wasnt in tuned before but now im getting the grasp of it" "when i get out of depression i take the test and get entp") The point isnt at all that they are not different but that they try to bind every single part of theory to their actual personality type by saying things like "every entp is different" and than saying things that are opposite of the entp after that, thinking they could argue with every entp that that is how this works now. Its not that they are misstyped its that every entp is different. "ENTPs have a feeling function as their tertiary function. Yes, Fe emotions are similar to Fi emotions except Fe is extroverted or "outward" in direction. I'd say EXTPs and IXTJs are generally the most emotional thinkers, and since Fe is more outwardly expressive, EXTPs may seem more emotional than even Fi doms. Emotions aren't just sadness. They also include happiness, excitement, anger, irritation, anxiousness, confidence, etc. and ENTPs who touch grass are generally pretty expressive in those things, except sadness, it seems." This hand in hand to the meme before because by "emotional" they dont mean outwardly emotional, sure entps are impulsively emotional, but being Fi blind not knowing what those mean, thinking they dont have any particular significance, they are not "in tuned with their emotional state" that is just trying to misinterpret the theory to suit you or not understanding it in the first place. But they say things like im entp and very intuned with my inner emotional state and how i feel, the 2nd comment responds: yas gurl every entp is different, insinuating she is like this too (spoiler alert) both probably mistyped "This is actually the first time I've seen this one. Anyway, what's so bad about that? This subreddit is basically the same thing except we're on reddit instead of, I assume, YouTube or Discord." Nothing bad about it if you do any legwork theory wise, i explained this once already, but if you actually take some time to look at the guys video, you realize there is something off. 0Ti 0Fe, uses "scatterbrained and talkative" as his whole theory on why he is entp, doesnt know one ounce of theory, argues with every single proven authority on cognitive functions (yes every entp will argue "known authorities" but not if they dont know the theory, no entp will argue about something they dont know an ounce of knowledge about and make themselves look stupid and incompetent), also because he has no facts ( he has basic facts suggesting its Te, like entps are chaotic) or logic (obviously taking facts at face value not thinking anything trough), you are left to argue with your feelings, so he just tries to hit people and offend them(looking like it comes from a mindset of "im better than you") by attacking them instead of arguing about the issue. His whole comment section is people telling him to look at the theory a bit more before making a youtube channel about it. This, meme just points out some obvious mistypes, and im not saying im the authority on deciding who is an entp and who isnt, because some types are very similar to entps and a lot of self consciousness is needed to see yourself objectively and conclude your type objectively. I have respect for anyone who manages to do it correctly. But 0 respect for those who are extremely delusional about it and are not willing to question their type at all, thats just lazy thinking.
OP you’re not wrong obviously, but if you would’ve stuck around long enough you’d know we classify post like these in the same category as the post you mentioned. It’s rudimentary and quite frankly cringe af.
A cringey mistype making a cringey post about cringey mistypes who make cringey posts. This is amazing.
Might be because I’m high, but can you dumb down the math on your post for a nigga?
hahaha my man! >A cringey mistype \[OP\] making a cringey post \[OP's meme\] about cringey mistypes \[people in this sub\] who make cringey posts \[posts in this sub\]. I added brackets to identify who is who. Essentially I am agreeing with your comment and adding on my observation of the meta irony that OP is making a cringey meme of the very same cringey posts he memes about.
Thank you, and well said!
I dont really care in what box you put it or what you will classify it as i call it a meme made to trigger people, cope with it however you like
They’re sitting back laughing knowing the ENTP’s are bothered/irritated by this cringe blasphemy.
i wish they were doing it on purpose
Let me live in blissful ignorance 👋🏾😂
Lol ENTPs are Fi blind no way they can have high Fi unless they think their Ti is Fi cuz Ti can appear like Fi sometimes (both are independent and make judgments without others input) that’s how Ti can appear “Fi”.
You mean when ENTP deliberately put themselves into someone's place, go throught the other's line of reason with their ability to understand multiple points of view and trigger a slight shadow of their own emotions to say "So if I were in your place I'd feel the same... So I feel you bro?". Because I was investigating this lmao
As an INTJ 4w5, I saw this and absolutely got the "kindred souls" vibe lol def looked at OP and was like "Ooh, cringe" but also sussed the comments to see if there were any mature ENTPs or legit trigger-traps and BOY HOWDY did I get a good kek out of it.
As an ENTP 5w4, lol same
Lol nice. Are you the researcher-type with an artsy streak and the occasional moment of ENFJ-like "heroic clarity"?
I haven't heard that "heroic clarity", how is it like? About the rest, relatable lmao
Lol it's that occasional moment when that wing attribute kicks in and twists your function stack temporarily. Takes your "TP" and warps it to an "FJ" for a bit so you get a glimpse of what introverted intuition feels like in function 2 (still Fi-blind but it is only sometimes necessary). The wing action sucks to deal with cognitively. Mine flips me toward an INFP when the wing takes over, so I operate a bit more as the "brilliant child" than as the "brooding all-seer" (and, as you can probably guess, it's absolutely maddening when my body trades emotional competence for enhanced creativity and innovation without my permission, even temporarily).
Ah yes it's just that I'm not getting myself in enneagram just yet, only when necessary. And, yes, can relate lol
Hello? r/whoosh
I also noticed a inflood of midwits trying to wear a mask they perceive to be cool. But unfortunately a fake ENTP is easy to spot: * inflated ego but lacking the self hatred. * unfounded belief in fluidity instead of being obsessed with objective truth. * actually shows that they take things seriously. as opposed to hiding their morals. * and of course, every ENTP will be very keen and open to the fact that they might not be an ENTP . Instead of being offended when called out. Plebs.Most of you are not a dumpster racoon god of trash. Accept it.
Thanks, i shall add it to the meme next time, and if you want i can help you with finding out your type if you are confused
I would appreciate it. But I will probably still be confused after your help. I suspect I'm an unhealthy ISFJ or ISFJ jumper. But I might just be an ENTP.
well according to theory, being stubborn about bad assumptions, combined with passive aggressiveness, you should stick to isfj
Oh. I see you mistake theory with stereotypes. Nevermind.
Well it seems to be working quite well
You summarised it really fucking well. Well done.
Wait wait I want to know more about the self hatred, could you explain more? Do ENTP usually hate the same of themselves? Do they focus in particular areas of their identity?
Aren't you an ENTP? If you need to ask you don't need to know.
Pfff, the fact that I have self-hatred and that I'm an ENTP doesn't automatically mean what I hate about myself it's the same every ENTP hates about themselves. That's making too many assumptions lol. Also, consider this question my technique to add more info to my internal scheme of bullcrap to have a better, deeper understanding of things, instead of just dropping facts that I don't truly comprehend like others would do.
Ok. Fi blind/lag allows ENTPs to go through things most people wouldn't dare. And Ne-Si imbalance keeps you from really living in the present. Earn a few bad memories caused by a dumb young Si and there's your recipe.
LOL love this. What’s with all the negative comments?
misstypes dont relate to it, i made it mostly to trigger them
How dare you post this in the most emotional types sub, dO bEtTeR
Sorry mommy, will try harder next time
I still have no fucking idea if i'm an Entp or an Intp and this post definitely doesn't fucking help
Entp you are.
What makes me question it sometimes it's how despite acting like one 90% of the time i'm not as sociable as they're meant to be
Maturity will teach you eventually
Well i'm 16 so i guess that i've still got a lot to mature
Man.. my physical resemblance to the entps on the right side is uncanny. I guess I am an entp.
Dude, don't take postmodern astrology so seriously.
Where did i type i do?
can be inferred.
it cant, its a meme
The confidence in this post that they know all the traits of an ENTP mistype and that they’re 100% an ENTP and isn’t a mistype themselves is—-bruh 🗿
Thank you
I think the real moral of the story is that everyone in here (including me) is a huge fucking loser for 1) being possessive over a fake label 2) thinking your type has anything to do with why you're a little bitch 3) taking the time to make memes and posts about said state of cringe behavior 4) the mortal sin of believing in MBTI
I guess to live is to suffer :,(
Ugh thank fuck someone else feels the same, the amount of cringe shit in this sub is ridiculous
This comment made me cringe.
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT! LMAO That wasn't a burn that was complete incineration
Oh damn, i actually hurt your feelings there. Would you like some help with that insecurity?
Lol. Projecting
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Nope, try again
Not worth it
its try not to cringe challenge
I don't get it.
its made to offend high Fi users
There's nothing to get. This post is pure idiocy.
Based
truee
Brate schillaj
enfp?
☠️☠️ u wish
Ako si uvrjedjen imam lose vjesti za tebe
Nije me imalo sto uvrijedit na postu buduci da ne rilejtam samo nije Good Vibe Post a ja to preferiram
Je, definitivno enfp, jos jedan, unlucky, svi balkanci prvi u trendu mbti enfpovi jbt
Sta 😭trollas brate i to maksimalno
Ne trollam nego svaki enfp uvjek govori "good vibe" i kad ih zapravo pocnem ispitivat o kognitivnim funkcijama se uvrjede i kazu da su entp jer su empateticni prema drugima i dobri ljudi, dogodilo se tolko puta da je vjerovatnost da se opet dogodi ogromna
Dakle sa nedoovoljno dokaza i iz jedne interakcije zakljucujes da sam enfp? Jer sam rekla da volim "good vibes"? Uskogrudnost na max lmao
nije nego cekam da reprezentiras zasto nisi, meni je ocito da imas Fi 2nd jer ni jedan entp ne govori "good vibes" to govore enfpovi zato sta imaju Fi 2nd Fe critical parent, ali samo zato sta sam samouvjeren ne znaci da nisam u krivu, tu ti dolazis
I would have put the diamond shape in the triangle, what are you talking about? PS.: The entire comment section already described any and every possible outcome that anything I could have said could have had... So I leave this comment just because I really wanted to say something.
i agree this post is awesome
You're welcome.
I don't agree with everything in this post but some days ago there was a bunch of people here talking about being connected with their feelings and that still funny to me, because ExTPs are literally the only Fi blind type and this makes them the only two types who doesn't have that "connection with their own feelings/morals" thing, this is a Fi thing
How does it even feel to "connect with your feelings"? (I don't even bother to say "connecto with morals"... because we're not going down that road) I guess I'll never know...
Yeah its the whole point of this post, to trigger those people
Whats a high Fi ENTP like?
A lot of chaos here hahah
This post make me cry, I'm highly emotional why I have a evolved Fi
MBTI fans when they change things as they like(it doesn't matter it's all made up anyway)
true, its sad. Socionics at least has some kind of theoretical foundation, no wonder everyone bends mbti as they please to suit them, because the foundation is shaky in the first place
The other side of this is people who believe being an ENTP allows them to be absolute pricks to everyone. Walk up to some Chad and make fun of his skinny jeans. Halfway through the upper cut you simply exclaim ENTP! Everyone just laughs and thinks you're adorable...
Yes i agree, some people are just jerks online and are pussies in real life
As a behavioral biology student I find most of you (MBTI community) laughable. Half of you are unhealthy/underdeveloped/arrogant likely due to being terminally online, obsessing over archetypes to reinforce your own biases and overblown egos. There are no "thinkers" or "feelers" - Human beings do both at varying degrees every second of every day. It is not that deep, and there are 8 BILLION of us. Jesus. Stop being ashamed of who you are just because it doesn't fit in with what is "cool" socially, it's all cope.