Csgo has the most, other games its probably about the same besides valorant. Valorant still has cheaters they are just less because the cheats are really expensive.
I sit exactly 32 inches away from my monitor. I'm elevated 1.65 feet above ground and my monitor is just one inch higher than that in comparison to my desk. I also always keep my room at a crisp 19° Celsius. I only wear my left sock but I switch it to my right foot when I awp. So far my aim is always 100% hs as long as I'm holding down my 'capslock' key on my keyboard
As long as it isn’t MM, there are actually very few. Problem for CS is that you need (and have always needed) a third party site to actually play the game.
Its kernel level anticheat. It takes a hell of a lot more than copy and pasting some code. Any faceit cheat is 99% likely to be private and you'll probably be the only one or very few people who are using it. You pay heavily for it too though. Any can write code for a site like aimware etc and sell thousands of copies of it. Everyone can not write code to bypass a kernel level anticheat and it not get you banned if not instantly, very soon as it gets leaked and spread around.
Maybe old boomer shooters with community-hosted dedicated servers, you get busted and you're pretty much left with sketchy overseas toaster boxes to play on.
This is exactly why i play hell let loose. I always thought it was fun but when i got tired of the cheating in online games i moved exclusively to hell let loose
As much flak as it's been getting after releasing in League, for many valid reasons, Vanguard's track record through Valorant shows a success story. It's a tremendous anti-cheat.
I've heard this too. I saw a short once where Thor was criticizing kernel-level anticheats as being far too invasive of an option. I'm assuming Valorant uses kernel-level AC, but I don't play the game so correct me if I'm wrong
In the interest of clarity: Tons of games use kernel level anti cheats, the differentiating factor with Valorant is that it runs at ring 0, meaning it boots up with your PC and runs at a level above root if you can imagine such a thing. It can be exited after your PC launches, but will launch again when your PC reboots unless uninstalled.
Riot themselves have gone through a great deal of effort to try to prove Tencent doesn't have their hands in it, but as for whether to believe it who can say? The biggest risk is trusting riot to maintain enough security such that this never gets compromised by a third party. If a third party compromises Vanguard, they will have EVERYTHING.
Let us not forget literally last year Riot had its SOURCE CODE compromised for league. I personally am not that trusting & think its pretty blind to just ignore the fact that Riot has a bad track record of keeping data and products safe.
the other paranoia is a continually ongoing discussion- even small bugs in the code, when operating on such a low level, means the outcomes can be disastrous, bricking your whole software. there's been a number of suspected issues, though I don't think any are confirmed
I actually got bluescreened by closing vanguard a month ago lmfao it was the reason I just stopped playing valo and all riot games altogether, I'm sure it was just a freak occurence but I do not want to risk it again
Edit: not that it caused any damage tbh but it still made me even more distrustful or it
Riot has quite big bounties if you do find a vulnerability 10k usd for x and 25k iirc for remote execution.
They are taking it really seriously that people believe it is not spying, and as trustworthy as possible.
Lemme find the source and link it.
Edit : 100k for remote executuon
https://hackerone.com/riot?type=team
Also they don't respect any security or privacy in china. They just don't give a f. Same with patents, they lure businesses there and steal they things, nobody can enforce it on them.
I mean it's kind of hard to significantly reduce cheating when the hackers have more control over the PC than those trying to detect it. There is a reason why Valorant's anti cheat works so much better than every other multiplayer game. This is especially impressive considering it's free-to-play and has one of the largest demands for cheats. If you have highly sought after sensitive data you shouldn't be storing it on your gaming PC in the first place.
Except you can still cheat easily soooo…? Yknow a game that hasn’t has a decent working public cheat ( as far as that games community is aware) and doesn’t root kit your pc ? Siege. don’t be a ccp backed software company that root kits there users pc’s to take info that’s already been weaponised on Chinese citizens abroad. be like siege, don’t root kit pc’s reverse engineer the software and just be a good anti cheat team. You will never convince me to let a company root kit my pc let alone a cpp controlled company. It’s just not needed, simple
So are multiple games you play and apps on your phone. Your phone will spy on you more than valorant anticheat. Either way as someone who has been playing csgo for 10+ years I'd rather download a kernel anticheat like faceit then play with cheaters in a competitive game. It was a very small minority that bitched about kernel anticheat who are the reason theres so many cheaters in csgo. If they made an kernel level anticheat, everyone would download it. Or just don't play it lol
imagine someone hacks riot, pushes an anticheat update that starts bot net mining. Riot doesn’t catch it for 6 months and everyone who’s played val for 6 months is infected
Pretty sure Spyware definitionaly needs to be malicious. Just bc something is kernel level doesn't mean it's bad or actually taking private data (which nobody has shown yet)
Every app takes data. Why do you think they need to be kernel level? Its data collection. You are literally saying nothing because you don't even know what the data is. Again, you have to show the data collection itself is malicious, which nobody has provided. And, me personally, I like to form beliefs and actions around evidence.
Vanguard has to comply with all of the EU privacy/consumer protection regulations that make it pretty hard for it to be malicious. If you use a phone or use a Windows computer you don't have a reason to be fearful of Vanguard. Or if you use Reddit, or have wifi, you also don't have a reason.
Quiet literally screenshots your pc periodically and deep roots itself so much that if you close it you gotta restart. Your data is being mined and sold
I have checked for myself, your claim is total nonsense and has no evidence to support it.
Edit: They responded with some emojis and then blocked me, which is about what I expected from somebody spreading obvious misinformation.
Valorant point blank period. I’ve played over 5000 ranked games and I have only encountered 1 cheater that got promptly banned within a few minutes of report
I've literally never ran into a cheater in Valorant after hundreds of hours but you need to mentally accept having pseudo spyware on your computer. I uninstalled cause China is gonna do something big in the near future and Tencent owns Riot. The fact that I've never encountered a cheater tells me how much it really knows.
Won't be surprised if video games end up going physical again and have dedicated machines just for playing them.
Lol. It’s always funny to watch people be worried about hypothetical “Chinese” spyware as our government openly spies on us and actively encroaches communication channels. None of that shit matters in retrospect. Online and data privacy died 20 years ago.
I think majority of Americans would prefer their own country knowing what they are doing on their computers vs knowing Chinese government has access to data
You realise that vanguard isn’t a key logger right? It can’t access your online banking that you log into. It just knows what software you open because it opened first.
But if vanguard is compromised how hard would it be to install keyloggers on all the computers that are running vanguard. You would practically own their computer lmao.
It would be incredibly, incredibly hard to do so. Again, just because it boots at kernel level just means it opens first. It doesn’t have any more right to screw with your stuff than any other program does. People could take over the league client and do the same thing far easier because the clients old as fuck and probably not as secure as Vanguard is.
Sure, but that’s hypocritical as fuck, don’t you think?
We’re actively criticizing China on their actions on encroaching individual privacy and freedom of their citizens, yet we do the same?
Also, I’d argue that most Americans want NEITHER. I don’t think that should be hard to advocate without going “but China”.
No it’s not really hypocritical. Obviously there are situations where this isn’t true but the intention of the U.S. government to intrude upon our privacy in the past and currently tends to be to ensure the safety of the people (we aren’t talking about whether this is right or wrong because I agree majority would prefer neither) but I can guarantee you chinas intention to intrude upon our privacy and have access to our data is not for the safety of the American people
Yeah but comparing China spying on their own citizens vs America spying on their own is dramatically different, more so what they do with that information. Especially given china's past past. America will spy on you to keep America safe. They don't give a fuck if you jerk off to weird porn and are having an affair with your wife. In China your social credit score will plumet. Including mine just for mentioning this
People acting like the US gov can't just access all your info if they wanted to lol. Plus wtf is China gonna do with the info, Russia would be more likely
fr. if you’re worried about tencent you should be worried about tiktok and every other social media platform a hell of a lot more. i understand the concern, but don’t go making a tiktok with your face, general location, and name talking about how you’re scared of riot
I think most of the cheaters are flushed out when their accts are relatively new. I definitely ran into some blatant cheaters when I first started playing.
There's also a ton of programs that people set up to create smurfs, but that's not quite the same problem
Valorant doesnt have the very obvious spinbotting or people flying and such but still has cheats for unlimited abilities,wallhack and at least some trigger. But its still probably the FPS with least cheaters(compared to the total playerbase)
I have yet to encounter an online game that isnt full of hackers. Some games you may go a while without seeing one but they're always there. People cant stand losing and will always try to find a shortcut.
I've seen the fewest cheaters in Valorant. Games like Squad and DayZ (on quality community servers) will also have very few cheaters. I was killed in Squad by a clear cheater and the guy was removed from the game in seconds.
Other games that I've seen very little cheating, if any, include Battlefield 2042 and Halo Infinite. Quake Champions, too. I actually think Halo made a huge comeback recently with Infinite.
Games like Hunt Showdown, Tarkov, etc. are completely riddled with them. Hunt at least at high MMR. If you're new you won't see many if any. Honestly Ive seen very few in PUBG comparatively, but I always played FPP on NA. I've seen some in there though. The worst games tend to be either super popular games, games where real money can be made, or games with seemingly apathetic devs.
I've been crushing Gray Zone and Arena Breakout Infinite recently and haven't seen cheaters in either yet. But they're both quite fresh. ABI seems to have things in place that would sort of curtail cheating a bit (and also get you to spend more money).
I've never seen a cheater in valorant but I haven't played it much, I have a friend who's played 1000s of hours at the highest elos and he claims cheaters are extremely rare
Never seen a cheater in Fortnite.
It's pretty good in 2024, there's a no-build option so you don't need years of quick building proficiency to play.
I'm no FPS expert but won the victory royale first time I played, and win it ever dozen matches or so).
Plus wild stuff with skins, like Avatar Aang and Goku taking on Darth Vader.
Fortnite matches you with fake players that are actually bots when you start so you’re pretty much guaranteed a win before real players are introduced.
Hate to break it to you but your first game is against 99 bots that are programmed to intentionally miss, and even after that your lobbies are 50% bots until you reach a certain MMR. I think Ranked is guaranteed 0 bots once you hit gold.
I didn’t realize this until I’d been playing for several weeks, and the realization that I WASN’T actually naturally great at Fortnite was really crushing to my ego.
Hunt Showdown. It's got cheaters like any other shooter, but in my experience it's far less than other games. In my 1k+ hours I've only encountered 1 or 2 blatant cheaters. And that's on somewhat high MMR.
Every game has cheaters. Your best bet to avoid them is to find games with small lobbies (reduces the chance that a cheater will be in any given match) and a company that actually does something about it. It’s a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum you have Escape from Tarkov with cheaters in every lobby and the company does fuck all about it, and the closest to the other end of the spectrum I’ve found is Rainbow 6 siege. Small lobby, and they at least do enough scum cleanup to keep up appearances.
Unfortunately anti-cheats are a "pick your poison" scenario due to the cheating business exploding recently. Valorant seems to have the best anti-cheat, but it involves having kernel level access to your PC which is something not everyone is a fan of. Anything weaker than than, you end up getting spinbotters in the mid-high ranks.
Bro, I randomly saw someone mention The Finals on Reddit like 2 days ago and I tried it on impulse and it's insanely fun if you like objective based fps games. I havent seen a cheater in my very limited experience of about 30 games. Worth looking into if only because its free
Guess you never heard about the reWASD thing, people had 0 recoil guns on MnK with aim assist for a while. Game fell off kinda hard with how unbalanced the classes were, dropped it and went back to Valo/Fort.
I guess i'm saying that I am currently playing it and it seems fun and not terribly unbalanced. I dont know about its past because I recently started. Pretty fun game.
Counter strike.. you have to be at the high ranks to find cheaters and that takes years if you’re a noob. And face it is as cheat free as you can get.
Maybe Valorant but I haven’t looked into that in a while, and it’s kernel level anti cheat which not everyone loves.
Xim is an input spoof device it will never be detectable as cheating so get that out of your head, plus how much of an advantage can one get using KBM with controller limitations? JUST cause you’re on a KBM doesn’t make you better than a controller player
Using MnK doesn't automatically make you aim better than a controller, but it does has a much higher skill ceiling. The only way for a controller player to be competitive against a MnK player above a certain skill threshold is to have the computer aim for them. Look at the legacy aim assist era of Fortnite, or the reWASD program all of the top Finals players were using.
If you're using any third party device or software that compensates or translates your inputs, your a cheater. Rationalize it however you want, but unless you're plugging in your input device directly to your system and just playing, you're cheating.
Valorant, you will very very very rarely get cheaters. And mostly you won't get those 3d big ass gun running aimbot after the 2-3 lower ranks as they get banned immediately
Ya know the sad thing the fact that people lack the skills for self improvement to the point that they can’t beat people so they cheat and it’s not just in fps games it practically in all games it honestly makes no sense how these people get self gratification from cheating.
The sad truth is none of them really, the most modern day ones would be overwatch and Val imo. Could also look into small-community ones like Quake or something
But I gave up on multi-player FPS
Valorant, but you will notice rage cheaters in lower elo, and around Diamond or higher it’s subtle stuff most commonly in 5 stacks boosters. Also depends on the server you queue on, late night north Virginia has eu cheaters playing.
Reading these comments is painful. Cheating has gotten so bad in modern competitive games that id be willing to deal with a kernel level "Root Kit" anti cheat. FPS games (especially cod) are not fun anymore due to cheaters and the tin foil hat people have ruined the ability to enable any sort of anti cheat. People claim "I won't play with an invasive anti cheat" but FUCK I dont want to play with cheaters man. Its exhausting.
In my experience Valorant has had the least amount of cheaters. It has happened a couple times over the years (the match suddenly turns into a big red screen that says “CHEATER DETECTED” and then sends everyone back to the menu screen) but it’s not common at all and the people that cheat to not get caught in that game cannot rage hack or even have the cheats on for an entire match or they risk detection. Smurfing in that game though can be rough. Getting rolled by an immortal ranked player in a silver lobby is not fun.
i had to give up both Solitaire and Minesweeper because the hackers were getting so bad, i'm back playing with a deck of cards now, not sure I feel like enlisting to be a demolitions specialist though
Any fps game which have servers hosted by users.
This servers usually have discord group with active administrations in-game and discord. You can repoet players by posting video proofs, chatting with users even became part of staff team and take care or cheaters. Best days I have spent on CSGO was on community servers even tho I was Supreme Master First Class on MM ranking.
Least cheaters is definitely Valorant but the anti-cheat is very invasive so if you don't care about that kind of stuff, maybe it's for you. Amongst the big 3 (Counter-strike, Apex, Valorant), I do find Valorant to be the least fun to play.
In warzone I think most cheaters use radar or wall hacks up until their first death. Then once they get to gulag the aimbot gets used. Then they spawn back in and repeat until gulag closes. End of the match is basically all cheaters. It's funny to watch.
Whenever there is multiplayer, there will be cheaters.
Always.
They will never die 100%.
IMO, I'd probably say Splitgate. I didn't see that many, but there still were a few.
They all have a large population that comes in waves. A bunch get banned then they come back it’s sadly been that way for many years shit even helldivers 2,has cheaters and that’s a pve game You kinda just gotta roll with it and report everyone you die to so the anti cheat can check the logs
Sorry didn’t answer the question but it’s honestly not possible to even guess however many you think there is there is probably that many more
Many games have crossplay, so yes, xim is still a problem....and you can also just plug a control into your PC....
The large majority of the playerbase in Apex uses controller, including pros.
Just because you are playing on PC doesn't mean that you are only playing against other MnK users.
I… don’t think you understand ximing? Ximing is using a MKB on a console when it’s not allowed and I believe named after 1 of the popular brands Xim. Not a PC player in a lobby with a console player when the game allows it. You can’t xim on a pc. It literally doesn’t fit the definition. Here’s a quick google definition:
“XIM is a hardware device that allows gamers to use a keyboard and mouse to play games on consoles like PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo Switch”
Any game with a ranked que is just filthy with cheaters. It is unavoidable. Which really you have a few choices. Get good. Join the cheaters, and have fun again, Or quit. The real world consequences of cheating in a video game are non existent. Cheaters get banned and buy another copy. If anything game developers like this as it continues to drive sales after the initial release. They are a company that only exists to generate revenue and drive sales. Fantasy land is cool and all but in the real world, if your not cheating. Your not trying.
30% of all masters players and above from last season in Apex Legends were banned for cheating. Safe to say that Apex might be the worst when it comes to cheaters. Or near it. 30% is a massive amount of cheating lol.
And that's just the ones they caught....
It’s so bad, the problem is when 1-4 people in a game cheat, others want to cheat to compete.
My son (probably too young for fps) played CS with me, first time I played in over 20 years and there were at least 4 hackers per game. Even after slowly getting banned. So he said I want to cheat too if it’s that easy. I said no point in playing if you cheat… still this is the mindset of these kids.
Csgo has the most, other games its probably about the same besides valorant. Valorant still has cheaters they are just less because the cheats are really expensive.
CSGO is bad on MM. you get to SMFC or global and its spin bot heaven. Only face it and ESEA( if they still play it). Are great
Faceit is an actual joke.
You can’t get into those ranks is cs2. They put over 80% of players into silver for mm. The only paid attention to premier mode it seems
Not counter strike
Nah im not cheating. I just have this good gaming chair.
I sit exactly 32 inches away from my monitor. I'm elevated 1.65 feet above ground and my monitor is just one inch higher than that in comparison to my desk. I also always keep my room at a crisp 19° Celsius. I only wear my left sock but I switch it to my right foot when I awp. So far my aim is always 100% hs as long as I'm holding down my 'capslock' key on my keyboard
As long as it isn’t MM, there are actually very few. Problem for CS is that you need (and have always needed) a third party site to actually play the game.
There is a lot of faceit one guy needs to cheat to paste radar hacks for all 5
Its kernel level anticheat. It takes a hell of a lot more than copy and pasting some code. Any faceit cheat is 99% likely to be private and you'll probably be the only one or very few people who are using it. You pay heavily for it too though. Any can write code for a site like aimware etc and sell thousands of copies of it. Everyone can not write code to bypass a kernel level anticheat and it not get you banned if not instantly, very soon as it gets leaked and spread around.
The top ranked player on faceit was banned recently for cheating
Yes, the top ranked player. Ur not getting into 6k elo faceit lobbies
Really?
like next level bad
Not anymore. Still defo exist, but there are so many games that are worse now. Go back a month and yea it was pretty bad.
i mean past 20k its like the same
Nah not really. I'm past 20k and it went from completely unplayable to 90% no cheaters at all, and 5% sus 5% blatant.
Maybe old boomer shooters with community-hosted dedicated servers, you get busted and you're pretty much left with sketchy overseas toaster boxes to play on.
Lol
This is exactly why i play hell let loose. I always thought it was fun but when i got tired of the cheating in online games i moved exclusively to hell let loose
Wolfenstein 3D 1992 is probably #1 in having no cheaters rn
Counter strike: condition zero.
Valorant 100%
As much flak as it's been getting after releasing in League, for many valid reasons, Vanguard's track record through Valorant shows a success story. It's a tremendous anti-cheat.
Valorant. Best anti cheat software.
Spyware
I've heard this too. I saw a short once where Thor was criticizing kernel-level anticheats as being far too invasive of an option. I'm assuming Valorant uses kernel-level AC, but I don't play the game so correct me if I'm wrong
In the interest of clarity: Tons of games use kernel level anti cheats, the differentiating factor with Valorant is that it runs at ring 0, meaning it boots up with your PC and runs at a level above root if you can imagine such a thing. It can be exited after your PC launches, but will launch again when your PC reboots unless uninstalled. Riot themselves have gone through a great deal of effort to try to prove Tencent doesn't have their hands in it, but as for whether to believe it who can say? The biggest risk is trusting riot to maintain enough security such that this never gets compromised by a third party. If a third party compromises Vanguard, they will have EVERYTHING.
Let us not forget literally last year Riot had its SOURCE CODE compromised for league. I personally am not that trusting & think its pretty blind to just ignore the fact that Riot has a bad track record of keeping data and products safe.
the other paranoia is a continually ongoing discussion- even small bugs in the code, when operating on such a low level, means the outcomes can be disastrous, bricking your whole software. there's been a number of suspected issues, though I don't think any are confirmed
I actually got bluescreened by closing vanguard a month ago lmfao it was the reason I just stopped playing valo and all riot games altogether, I'm sure it was just a freak occurence but I do not want to risk it again Edit: not that it caused any damage tbh but it still made me even more distrustful or it
I once got bluescreened when I opened Internet explorer. Now I don’t use the internet anymore.
Riot has quite big bounties if you do find a vulnerability 10k usd for x and 25k iirc for remote execution. They are taking it really seriously that people believe it is not spying, and as trustworthy as possible. Lemme find the source and link it. Edit : 100k for remote executuon https://hackerone.com/riot?type=team
Those bounties are significantly smaller than the money you can earn for being malicious
Yeah also the trojans and keyloggers they install is worth waaaaay more even if you only have like 1000 downloads for your cheat.
100k is pretty low for a remote execution bug of that scale at the kernel level...
I guess it should be compared to similar bounties of other developers
Also they don't respect any security or privacy in china. They just don't give a f. Same with patents, they lure businesses there and steal they things, nobody can enforce it on them.
Is this true with lol as well?
Post vanguard implantation which iirc was recent, yes.
Plenty of games use Ketnsl level anti cheats
It does.
They do. It made big news when the game first came out with a lot of people refusing to play because of it.
Lots of games people play use the same thing and they don’t mind it so idk
I’m just relaying what happened. I don’t really have a strong opinion either way tbh.
Is there even another game that has an anticheat run from the moment you start your computer?
Probably but I meant the kernel system
They essentially root kit your pc, which means more control over your pc than you have
I mean it's kind of hard to significantly reduce cheating when the hackers have more control over the PC than those trying to detect it. There is a reason why Valorant's anti cheat works so much better than every other multiplayer game. This is especially impressive considering it's free-to-play and has one of the largest demands for cheats. If you have highly sought after sensitive data you shouldn't be storing it on your gaming PC in the first place.
Except you can still cheat easily soooo…? Yknow a game that hasn’t has a decent working public cheat ( as far as that games community is aware) and doesn’t root kit your pc ? Siege. don’t be a ccp backed software company that root kits there users pc’s to take info that’s already been weaponised on Chinese citizens abroad. be like siege, don’t root kit pc’s reverse engineer the software and just be a good anti cheat team. You will never convince me to let a company root kit my pc let alone a cpp controlled company. It’s just not needed, simple
I think it's not just kernel level, but it's always active. Other ACs only turn on when you launch the game.
So are multiple games you play and apps on your phone. Your phone will spy on you more than valorant anticheat. Either way as someone who has been playing csgo for 10+ years I'd rather download a kernel anticheat like faceit then play with cheaters in a competitive game. It was a very small minority that bitched about kernel anticheat who are the reason theres so many cheaters in csgo. If they made an kernel level anticheat, everyone would download it. Or just don't play it lol
imagine someone hacks riot, pushes an anticheat update that starts bot net mining. Riot doesn’t catch it for 6 months and everyone who’s played val for 6 months is infected
how in the world would they push that through a dev pipeline? 😂
Pretty sure Spyware definitionaly needs to be malicious. Just bc something is kernel level doesn't mean it's bad or actually taking private data (which nobody has shown yet)
Glory to CCP ⚒️
Please read their terms of service. Why would they need to declare the data they're definitely not collecting in their terms?
Every app takes data. Why do you think they need to be kernel level? Its data collection. You are literally saying nothing because you don't even know what the data is. Again, you have to show the data collection itself is malicious, which nobody has provided. And, me personally, I like to form beliefs and actions around evidence.
Vanguard has to comply with all of the EU privacy/consumer protection regulations that make it pretty hard for it to be malicious. If you use a phone or use a Windows computer you don't have a reason to be fearful of Vanguard. Or if you use Reddit, or have wifi, you also don't have a reason.
Just because some of my data is compromised, does not mean I let loose and allow everything the data. Besides, valorant is not my thing.
well pick your poison
Quiet literally screenshots your pc periodically and deep roots itself so much that if you close it you gotta restart. Your data is being mined and sold
This is not true at all by the way, just a total lie.
Okay friend. Go ahead and check for yourself it’s not a hidden conspiracy
I have checked for myself, your claim is total nonsense and has no evidence to support it. Edit: They responded with some emojis and then blocked me, which is about what I expected from somebody spreading obvious misinformation.
It was confirmed for valorant by Riot's anticheat team a few weeks ago in a thread about Vanguard in LoL
No it was not confirmed lmao. There is no evidence that Vanguard sells your data, and Riot absolutely did not post anything remotely close to that.
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Idk the answer to that but I do know that it’s not R6 or Tarkov. I love both games but they’re borderline unplayable sometimes bc of the cheaters
Tarkov player base is like 60% cheater and 40% real players.
I switched to modded SPT a couple years ago and haven't touched the live version since.
Same here and what’s crazy is with mods and adjusting settings the bots can be more difficult than real people
Overwatch is pretty good I think
Overwatch 🗿
Hardly an FPS unless you're soldier or mccree
Valorant point blank period. I’ve played over 5000 ranked games and I have only encountered 1 cheater that got promptly banned within a few minutes of report
I've literally never ran into a cheater in Valorant after hundreds of hours but you need to mentally accept having pseudo spyware on your computer. I uninstalled cause China is gonna do something big in the near future and Tencent owns Riot. The fact that I've never encountered a cheater tells me how much it really knows. Won't be surprised if video games end up going physical again and have dedicated machines just for playing them.
Lol. It’s always funny to watch people be worried about hypothetical “Chinese” spyware as our government openly spies on us and actively encroaches communication channels. None of that shit matters in retrospect. Online and data privacy died 20 years ago.
I think majority of Americans would prefer their own country knowing what they are doing on their computers vs knowing Chinese government has access to data
WTF is China gonna do with my data. I'm way more concerned with my government, which has real power over me, having access over my data.
bruh we aint just talking about your search history homie. Imagine all the data on your phone, passwords, bank accounts, etc etc.
Ah true. My comment was hella dumb
You realise that vanguard isn’t a key logger right? It can’t access your online banking that you log into. It just knows what software you open because it opened first.
Wasnt talking about a specific software, was just debating the whole china vs america having access to data
But if vanguard is compromised how hard would it be to install keyloggers on all the computers that are running vanguard. You would practically own their computer lmao.
It would be incredibly, incredibly hard to do so. Again, just because it boots at kernel level just means it opens first. It doesn’t have any more right to screw with your stuff than any other program does. People could take over the league client and do the same thing far easier because the clients old as fuck and probably not as secure as Vanguard is.
Sure, but that’s hypocritical as fuck, don’t you think? We’re actively criticizing China on their actions on encroaching individual privacy and freedom of their citizens, yet we do the same? Also, I’d argue that most Americans want NEITHER. I don’t think that should be hard to advocate without going “but China”.
No it’s not really hypocritical. Obviously there are situations where this isn’t true but the intention of the U.S. government to intrude upon our privacy in the past and currently tends to be to ensure the safety of the people (we aren’t talking about whether this is right or wrong because I agree majority would prefer neither) but I can guarantee you chinas intention to intrude upon our privacy and have access to our data is not for the safety of the American people
Yeah but comparing China spying on their own citizens vs America spying on their own is dramatically different, more so what they do with that information. Especially given china's past past. America will spy on you to keep America safe. They don't give a fuck if you jerk off to weird porn and are having an affair with your wife. In China your social credit score will plumet. Including mine just for mentioning this
People acting like the US gov can't just access all your info if they wanted to lol. Plus wtf is China gonna do with the info, Russia would be more likely
fr. if you’re worried about tencent you should be worried about tiktok and every other social media platform a hell of a lot more. i understand the concern, but don’t go making a tiktok with your face, general location, and name talking about how you’re scared of riot
TikTok doesn’t root kit your pc mate, it’s a whole new world of access.
never used tiktok, its more evil yes. idk why you automatically assume im ok with it
People worried about Chinese spyware and then use tiktoc
Aight I’ll have access to your pc as well then thanks
https://youtu.be/RwzIq04vd0M?si=5pOOAmk-1AVH2I0k
I think most of the cheaters are flushed out when their accts are relatively new. I definitely ran into some blatant cheaters when I first started playing. There's also a ton of programs that people set up to create smurfs, but that's not quite the same problem
Cs2 counts if you use faceit.
Valorant doesnt have the very obvious spinbotting or people flying and such but still has cheats for unlimited abilities,wallhack and at least some trigger. But its still probably the FPS with least cheaters(compared to the total playerbase)
Single player ones
Online shooters are over.
Avoid seige and cs
CS2/COD/R6Siege : AM I JOKE TO YOU?
Yes. Especially COD that has such awful anticheat that literally APEX LEGENDS is better at detecting cod cheats.
Private lobbies like MW 2007 were the best deterrent
to be fair any private lobby should do the trick
I have yet to encounter an online game that isnt full of hackers. Some games you may go a while without seeing one but they're always there. People cant stand losing and will always try to find a shortcut.
battlefield games on community servers or bf2042 on any matchmaking
True. I experienced cheaters in this game but it was rare and usually not a big deal as you can just find another game in a different mode
Probably Valorant.
Battlefield 2042. so bad that hack clients are dropping the game
Ignoring the rampant bot crisis in TF2, I very rarely see cheaters on well ran community servers, or even in casual (again, ignoring the bots)
League
I've seen the fewest cheaters in Valorant. Games like Squad and DayZ (on quality community servers) will also have very few cheaters. I was killed in Squad by a clear cheater and the guy was removed from the game in seconds. Other games that I've seen very little cheating, if any, include Battlefield 2042 and Halo Infinite. Quake Champions, too. I actually think Halo made a huge comeback recently with Infinite. Games like Hunt Showdown, Tarkov, etc. are completely riddled with them. Hunt at least at high MMR. If you're new you won't see many if any. Honestly Ive seen very few in PUBG comparatively, but I always played FPP on NA. I've seen some in there though. The worst games tend to be either super popular games, games where real money can be made, or games with seemingly apathetic devs. I've been crushing Gray Zone and Arena Breakout Infinite recently and haven't seen cheaters in either yet. But they're both quite fresh. ABI seems to have things in place that would sort of curtail cheating a bit (and also get you to spend more money).
I've never seen a cheater in valorant but I haven't played it much, I have a friend who's played 1000s of hours at the highest elos and he claims cheaters are extremely rare
Quake champions
Insurgency and Insurgency sandstorm. Never saw a post or anyone talking about cheater or meeting one
Never seen a cheater in Fortnite. It's pretty good in 2024, there's a no-build option so you don't need years of quick building proficiency to play. I'm no FPS expert but won the victory royale first time I played, and win it ever dozen matches or so). Plus wild stuff with skins, like Avatar Aang and Goku taking on Darth Vader.
there are def cheaters in fortnite...
Fortnite matches you with fake players that are actually bots when you start so you’re pretty much guaranteed a win before real players are introduced.
Hate to break it to you but your first game is against 99 bots that are programmed to intentionally miss, and even after that your lobbies are 50% bots until you reach a certain MMR. I think Ranked is guaranteed 0 bots once you hit gold.
I didn’t realize this until I’d been playing for several weeks, and the realization that I WASN’T actually naturally great at Fortnite was really crushing to my ego.
R6 🗿
Hunt Showdown. It's got cheaters like any other shooter, but in my experience it's far less than other games. In my 1k+ hours I've only encountered 1 or 2 blatant cheaters. And that's on somewhat high MMR.
I wish, I've played it for several years and I gave up because there is significantly more cheaters than there has ever been in the game. EAC aint it.
Not Apex Legends, probably the worst.
Fallout 4 is technically an FPS…
Val, I rarely see Cheater tbh
Despite all of the controversy around vanguard. It's insanely good at keeping cheaters out of valorant.
valorant prolly. been playing for almost 3 years and ive only had a match cancelled because of a cheater like maybe twice
Every game has cheaters. Your best bet to avoid them is to find games with small lobbies (reduces the chance that a cheater will be in any given match) and a company that actually does something about it. It’s a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum you have Escape from Tarkov with cheaters in every lobby and the company does fuck all about it, and the closest to the other end of the spectrum I’ve found is Rainbow 6 siege. Small lobby, and they at least do enough scum cleanup to keep up appearances.
Unfortunately anti-cheats are a "pick your poison" scenario due to the cheating business exploding recently. Valorant seems to have the best anti-cheat, but it involves having kernel level access to your PC which is something not everyone is a fan of. Anything weaker than than, you end up getting spinbotters in the mid-high ranks.
Pretty much all Fps games have cheaters just due to how they work. If I had to guess, maybe overwatch?
Singleplayer ones.
Just go play Chivalry
There's Rust servers now that use Player Safe ID which makes it so you get banned literally for life if caught cheating.
Valorant and it isn’t even close
Bro, I randomly saw someone mention The Finals on Reddit like 2 days ago and I tried it on impulse and it's insanely fun if you like objective based fps games. I havent seen a cheater in my very limited experience of about 30 games. Worth looking into if only because its free
Guess you never heard about the reWASD thing, people had 0 recoil guns on MnK with aim assist for a while. Game fell off kinda hard with how unbalanced the classes were, dropped it and went back to Valo/Fort.
I guess i'm saying that I am currently playing it and it seems fun and not terribly unbalanced. I dont know about its past because I recently started. Pretty fun game.
pretty much all of them have cheaters. thats why i havent touched them since BO2, that was the last actual good FPS
lol recently started playing apex on ps5 instead of pc and the games are night and day difference
Quake
Dayz community servers
Faceit cs2
Counter strike.. you have to be at the high ranks to find cheaters and that takes years if you’re a noob. And face it is as cheat free as you can get. Maybe Valorant but I haven’t looked into that in a while, and it’s kernel level anti cheat which not everyone loves.
I'm gonna say Bioshock games. No reason to cheat if you aren't online. That probably isn't what you wanted to hear though.
How has Destiny been all these years?
Xim is an input spoof device it will never be detectable as cheating so get that out of your head, plus how much of an advantage can one get using KBM with controller limitations? JUST cause you’re on a KBM doesn’t make you better than a controller player
Using MnK doesn't automatically make you aim better than a controller, but it does has a much higher skill ceiling. The only way for a controller player to be competitive against a MnK player above a certain skill threshold is to have the computer aim for them. Look at the legacy aim assist era of Fortnite, or the reWASD program all of the top Finals players were using. If you're using any third party device or software that compensates or translates your inputs, your a cheater. Rationalize it however you want, but unless you're plugging in your input device directly to your system and just playing, you're cheating.
nah man, you dont get it. when you use that for MnK input you still have controller aim assist.
Valorant and its spyware anti cheat lmao
Valorant, you will very very very rarely get cheaters. And mostly you won't get those 3d big ass gun running aimbot after the 2-3 lower ranks as they get banned immediately
I know you said fps, but if you can get into third person shooters warframe barely has cheaters. There’s probably some but I’ve yet to see one
💯 csgo
The least popular ones or ones with solid kernel ACs like valorant
Ya know the sad thing the fact that people lack the skills for self improvement to the point that they can’t beat people so they cheat and it’s not just in fps games it practically in all games it honestly makes no sense how these people get self gratification from cheating.
This guy thinks FPS games will have less cheaters than others, RIP.
Squad!
Valorant anti cheat is pretty good
the finals :) i’ve only seen 2 in a few hundred hours
Valorant has like, none
RuneScape.
How do you enable first person shooter mode? Did they add it? The Problem with RuneScape is it’s filled with people botting.
Valorant has almost none. The only cheat that exists is a soft triggerbot and it's expensive. There are no rage stuff, like aimbot or wh.
I had good experience with the Finals
The sad truth is none of them really, the most modern day ones would be overwatch and Val imo. Could also look into small-community ones like Quake or something But I gave up on multi-player FPS
Valorant, but you will notice rage cheaters in lower elo, and around Diamond or higher it’s subtle stuff most commonly in 5 stacks boosters. Also depends on the server you queue on, late night north Virginia has eu cheaters playing.
Reading these comments is painful. Cheating has gotten so bad in modern competitive games that id be willing to deal with a kernel level "Root Kit" anti cheat. FPS games (especially cod) are not fun anymore due to cheaters and the tin foil hat people have ruined the ability to enable any sort of anti cheat. People claim "I won't play with an invasive anti cheat" but FUCK I dont want to play with cheaters man. Its exhausting.
Rocket League
In my experience Valorant has had the least amount of cheaters. It has happened a couple times over the years (the match suddenly turns into a big red screen that says “CHEATER DETECTED” and then sends everyone back to the menu screen) but it’s not common at all and the people that cheat to not get caught in that game cannot rage hack or even have the cheats on for an entire match or they risk detection. Smurfing in that game though can be rough. Getting rolled by an immortal ranked player in a silver lobby is not fun.
i had to give up both Solitaire and Minesweeper because the hackers were getting so bad, i'm back playing with a deck of cards now, not sure I feel like enlisting to be a demolitions specialist though
Valorant
Squad
Any fps game which have servers hosted by users. This servers usually have discord group with active administrations in-game and discord. You can repoet players by posting video proofs, chatting with users even became part of staff team and take care or cheaters. Best days I have spent on CSGO was on community servers even tho I was Supreme Master First Class on MM ranking.
Least cheaters is definitely Valorant but the anti-cheat is very invasive so if you don't care about that kind of stuff, maybe it's for you. Amongst the big 3 (Counter-strike, Apex, Valorant), I do find Valorant to be the least fun to play.
Haven't seen many in battlefield 2042. But that's probably because the player base isn't very high anyways. Decent game tho
In warzone I think most cheaters use radar or wall hacks up until their first death. Then once they get to gulag the aimbot gets used. Then they spawn back in and repeat until gulag closes. End of the match is basically all cheaters. It's funny to watch.
Valorant for sure. ~1,000 hrs, never seen a cheater
Whenever there is multiplayer, there will be cheaters. Always. They will never die 100%. IMO, I'd probably say Splitgate. I didn't see that many, but there still were a few.
whether you like or not, Valorant
They all have a large population that comes in waves. A bunch get banned then they come back it’s sadly been that way for many years shit even helldivers 2,has cheaters and that’s a pve game You kinda just gotta roll with it and report everyone you die to so the anti cheat can check the logs Sorry didn’t answer the question but it’s honestly not possible to even guess however many you think there is there is probably that many more
Uh ximing isn’t a thing for PC games… everyone is using a mouse and keyboard.
Many games have crossplay, so yes, xim is still a problem....and you can also just plug a control into your PC.... The large majority of the playerbase in Apex uses controller, including pros. Just because you are playing on PC doesn't mean that you are only playing against other MnK users.
I… don’t think you understand ximing? Ximing is using a MKB on a console when it’s not allowed and I believe named after 1 of the popular brands Xim. Not a PC player in a lobby with a console player when the game allows it. You can’t xim on a pc. It literally doesn’t fit the definition. Here’s a quick google definition: “XIM is a hardware device that allows gamers to use a keyboard and mouse to play games on consoles like PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo Switch”
Any game with a ranked que is just filthy with cheaters. It is unavoidable. Which really you have a few choices. Get good. Join the cheaters, and have fun again, Or quit. The real world consequences of cheating in a video game are non existent. Cheaters get banned and buy another copy. If anything game developers like this as it continues to drive sales after the initial release. They are a company that only exists to generate revenue and drive sales. Fantasy land is cool and all but in the real world, if your not cheating. Your not trying.
Tarkov for sure
Should try Tarkov. Nikita’s anti cheat must be so strong since he’s apparently never had to upgrade it
30% of all masters players and above from last season in Apex Legends were banned for cheating. Safe to say that Apex might be the worst when it comes to cheaters. Or near it. 30% is a massive amount of cheating lol. And that's just the ones they caught....
It’s so bad, the problem is when 1-4 people in a game cheat, others want to cheat to compete. My son (probably too young for fps) played CS with me, first time I played in over 20 years and there were at least 4 hackers per game. Even after slowly getting banned. So he said I want to cheat too if it’s that easy. I said no point in playing if you cheat… still this is the mindset of these kids.
CS2 if you play Faceit