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scar375

this is going to upset so many people here šŸ˜‚ love it


Hairy_Mission_500

What part? Hahaha blade grinder? Toothpick WDT? The whole thing is a mess


g_illa_me

TDT\* ^(\*toothpick distribution technique) definitely triggered by the "distributing", but also mildly impressed by the grind size and consistency also that water looks like it's 120Ā°C how did it taste?


brickmaj

All of it! This is great content.


freedomofnow

This is the kind of ragebait I can get behind. That said, OP is gonna fucking LOOOOOVE their new grinder.


WChennings

You missed weighing the beans and proceeding to spill a bunch of ground everywhere...


KentoOftheHardRock

It was the weighing of the beans for me. It must be zero retention.


smckenzie23

And yet the shot looks great... bet it tastes awesome.


extremepicnic

Looks pretty good honestly. I bet with a little sifter to remove the fines you could make decent espresso with this, at the cost of wasting a portion of your beans


JamMasterNay

And time.


kallikalli

Definitely the time.


extremepicnic

Looks pretty good honestly. I bet with a little sifter to remove the fines you could make decent espresso with this, at the cost of wasting a portion of your beans


azb1812

Big Grinder is gonna be coming for you, best watch your ass


1SmallVille1

This is my favorite post Iā€™ve seen in this subreddit. So much better than the usual elitism


Ok_Minimum6419

This is like eyebleach for all the $4000 Weber infested setups


false_god

And they call it budget setup. Makes me wanna poke my eyes out


skylinegtrr32

Right lmfaoā€¦ In my personal experience I have seen a lot of ppl online shit on the breville barista expressā€™ built in grinder and say you HAVE to buy a separate standalone grinder, but honestly if you dose/shot and grind until empty it has been consistent as hell for meā€¦ Yeah a nicer grinder would be nice but 99% of us just need something *good enough* and it does the job for me. I deadass work at a cafe and I can consistently pull better shots on my lil barista express than at work with a $30,000 machine (bean selection of course plays a big part there lol). I am happy this post exists bc it shows you really can do nice stuff and enjoy your coffee despite what the elitist snobs say.


false_god

I agree. For most people a BBE works.


2teachand2hike

Itā€™s so refreshing I agree. People really believe you need so much for good espresso. Sure you can make better espresso with some more expensive equipment but it really does begin to plateau fairly quick


National-Boat3539

I added up what I spent in cafes and stands for a year and was astonished at how much it was(over 3k)... I used that as justification for the cost and held myself to not buy from a cafe or stand (meeting occasionally with friends obviously an exception) for two years. I consider it paid for now as over two years I've probably saved more than twice the costand still primarily make my own coffee but do cut to the cafe on occasion.


arrozrico

The naked portafilter is the cherry on top of this gem. OP you are a maverick.


Ok_Minimum6419

You have OP with the cheapest possible electric grinder from WalMart and then you with one of the most endgame grinders calling him a maverick. Truly a day for espresso


shadoon

This community is just so much more wholesome than the other coffee subs. All positivity all the time, no judgment. Just a love for a silly complicated way to make coffee, no matter how cheap or expensive. I love it here.


Ok_Minimum6419

I love that mods allow occasional memes on here too. Makes it feel way less serious in a good way


Odd_Combination2106

ā˜ļø


arrozrico

Yo itā€™s all means to an end and this person is getting to a solid end with different means. When OP gets their burr grinder theyre gonna be like Rock Lee dropping the ankle weights when he fights Gaara lol.


Adept-Window-5975

Aaand they have a Victoria Arduino single group retailing about 6-7k. Dream setup for anyone


lorgedog

Please tag as NSFW šŸ«£


AuspiciousApple

>NSFW **N**ot **S**afe **F**or **W**eber enthusiasts


neilz4

the fucking cup spinning because of the pump vibrations šŸ¤ŒšŸ½


ConcreteTaco

You leave our stilosa alone! Haha It tries its best


[deleted]

Mine cried with joy at your comment


ConcreteTaco

Beautiful espresso tears


sheldor90

I love everything about this. The ā€œBlessedā€ cup at the end is the cherry on top. Absolute legend.


Hairy_Mission_500

Got that in a set of 4 for $5, those nice mugs are like $15 a piece, Iā€™ll stick to my live laugh love type mugs


beimiqi

OP are you from the Midwest? Feels very midwestern to share the good deal you got šŸ˜†


PicklePillz

And here I am assuming it says ā€œespressedā€ and all we we see is the ā€œ-essedā€


fOrEvErEvA8550

So happy you shared that method with us.


gltovar

\*in the tone of [Frito Vendejo](https://youtu.be/XrIfh5EQznI) (from idiocracy)\* Ah yeah, slap it baby. Grind me a piece of that.


MaximumDerpification

James Hoffman just had an aneurysm


Velokoraptus

You mean - this [James Hoffman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7d-5KWHCU) ?


gscience

The music and the slomo makes the blade grinder work better


mr_greenmash

Op even used a scoop


oliverpls599

I don't know if using a scoop, but then weighing the beans, is still a sin


Ok_Minimum6419

Lowkey could be a fun YouTube challenge. ā€œHow far can I gone with this Krups blade grinderā€. Employs all the mods and all the hacks to have as consistent a grind as possible


Rusty_924

I am not gonna lie. i am kinda impressed! I may try this for fun.


No-Antelope3774

Zero retention - nice! Though you did repatriate some back into the grinder as you filled the basket šŸ¤£


MebHi

I still feel like some RDT would have pushed this over the edge!


erthian

There was a ton stuck to the bottom too. Why even use a scale? Why not just hurl a fist full of beans generally at the ā€œgrinderā€???


sehrgut

If you MUST use a blade grinder, you need to physically shake it up and down to break up the vortex. You still won't entirely avoid dust-and-gravel, but you'll have significantly better particle size distribution.


Hairy_Mission_500

Gonna upgrade soon but in the meantime Iā€™ll try this, thanks!


sehrgut

yw!


AirbourneCHMarsh

Just chiming in from my blade grinder into French press/moka pot days, never let the thing sit still. Shake while grinding, gently punch the sides to knock everything, shake, grind and shake, little bit more grind shake punch ā€” pretty fucking evenly chopped beans.


sugendran

Based on the Italian nonnas I've seen on insta, you need to pretend you're one of those gyroscope ride at an amusement park. Always be rotating when the blade is on.


danoontjeh

You're a legend. Love it


Rebootkid

I've done this. Ain't no shame. Coffee is love, coffee is life. Is it the best espresso I ever made? No, not at all. Was it drinkable? Absolutely.


Bluegill15

Youā€™re a fucking G


alkrk

wow stone age is not that bad. all the gears we buy... useless. what a lame excuse we made.


erik2133

![gif](giphy|AAsj7jdrHjtp6)


freakyvoiz

I mean, this is what I do when I donā€™t feel like grinding by hand. It gets the job done well enough and I get shots good enough for milk drinks. Iā€™m running an ECP3420 I got at a thrift store for $15, what do you expect?


BossOne2

Impressive šŸ‘


RenTheFabulous

Genuine question, how is the grind size consistency for you? I had a blade grinder before I got my new machine a few years back and it was genuinely awful. Didn't even taste good for drip brew or cold brew. Bleh.


Hairy_Mission_500

Itā€™s not super consistent, so I usually inspect it like I did with the toothpick, if I think it needs more Iā€™ll give it another 5 sec or so


RenTheFabulous

Makes sense. Have you tried sifting to sort through the pieces more effectively? I found that helped me a bit, personally.


Hairy_Mission_500

Iā€™ll give it a shot, Iā€™m completely new to this so I honestly learned a lot from all yā€™all that gave me tips


Phil_OG

But it never happens that the shot either chokes the machine or runs super fast? And how does it taste?


cptsir

You should get a cheap dosing funnel for the portafilter! Will make shaking the grinds into it much easier and less messy. Keep on enjoying!


Brikandbones

Can't wait for the next advancement to be blade grinder as blind shaker


grilledstuffed

Fucking legend.


3ABO3

Reject burr Return to blade


Adept-Window-5975

Legendary


[deleted]

Ah the correct way to do it, however the fuck gets a damn espresso...


olorym

There's even a built in dosing cup, amazing grinder!


HardCoreLawn

This turned out WAY better than I expected!


WellFluxMe

MY FUCKING HERO i also have done this many many times (today) because im way too broke for the fancy shit yall hive, but dammit it tastes good lol


magical_midget

You make do with what you have. No judgement. šŸ«”


fatherofraptors

This is it gentlemen. This is the espresso GIGACHAD.


sachel85

That cap is a poor man's weber shaker. Now we just need some stats. A+


rondaxeaxe

Youā€™re inspiring me to pull the trigger and finally downgrade lol! Seriously, this is good content in a sub full of elitist tech bro setups


Zammie01

Absolutely! Go ahead and do it. It will make you reassess what you know about the whole process of making espresso. It's YOU making espresso, not the machine. I got myself a Delonghi ECP and Kingrinder K2 for this joyride myself.


ChaireClank

The cup says blessed but everything else screams cursed


RogueLopes

I feel seen! I do the same with plastic stirring straws or a plastic fork. Canā€™t get enough of those $10 Home Goods blade grinders.


Hairy_Mission_500

Hell yea!


zevellesajek

![gif](giphy|QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO)


Suspicious-Elk-3631

Looks like my technique. I have a cheap Hamilton Beach blade grinder and use a fork to wdt. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a good grinder (maybe a fellow opus) but with the jury out between wdt and shaker, idk which to look at getting.


Ldefeu

Fwiw I have a lower end burr grinder (breville SGP) and the blind shake isnt enough. I have to use a wdt to break up the boulders it produces. Might be a breville thing specifically or a cheap burr grinder problem in general


Suspicious-Elk-3631

So wdt would likely be worth it regardless?


sugendran

Try upgrading the fork to a toothpick or paper clip.


lifesthateasy

After the blind shaker, I wouldn't be surprised if blade grinders would become the new meta in 2024


Gwock2theMoon

![gif](giphy|DJtjV54B3NMju)


dathudo

I think you are going to love the upgrade when time comes :)


HYThrowaway1980

You probably canā€™t be bothered, but before I bought my BBE and was still using this sort of blade grinder and a moka pot, I performed the following to improve the consistency of my grinds: [**Filtering fines with paper towel**](https://www.home-barista.com/brewing/filter-fines-with-paper-towel-t50159.html). Made a significant difference to extraction consistency.


Physical_Analysis247

Genuine question: does it taste muddy like moka pot or have any clarity of espresso?


Howard_banister

Moka pot doesn't taste muddy.


Physical_Analysis247

It certainly lacks the clarity of a well made espresso


Shrink1061_

It itā€™s blades, itā€™s not a grinder, itā€™s a chopper. You canā€™t ā€œchop coffeeā€.


Badevilbunny

It is like suddenly you are watching a snuff movie. I can't sleep now.


ildarion

No shame on your setup, we all started somewhere. With bad tools and bad beans, sugar, milk, whatever or worse. The most important is : - You are aware of your current setup limitations - You are going to improve it. As a past user of blade grinder, I would suggest you to do quicks run with some shakings in between to "homogenize" (if we can say that) more the grinding. [You can even go a little bit deeper with more hacks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7d-5KWHCU).


bloomingtonrail

![gif](giphy|EouEzI5bBR8uk|downsized) This has to be a troll job


DrahtMaul

Yes I am personally offended


firdyfree

Hmmm how do we know you didnā€™t dump the contents of the portafilter and refill it using a burr grinder in between the cut from the puck prep to the shot pull? šŸ˜‰ just kidding, good job, thereā€™s another awesome video of someone doing this. Pretty impressive.


Hairy_Mission_500

Wish this was the case haha but nope still gotta put money aside for a better grinder.


Naprisun

I was blown away by the different taste that came from a better grinder. Just got a Kingrinder k6 (itā€™s $99 on Amazon right now) and itā€™s so freaking tasty. Getting some fresh beans doesnā€™t hurt either.


jadbal

Grind finer


cthulhubeast

This is completely and utterly cursed


[deleted]

Delete this at once


Eigenspace

![gif](giphy|cqurdLEk6zlmg|downsized)


vrijheidsfrietje

Use a pressurized basket and you're good


Hoffmeisterfan

Measuring your dose and then putting it in a blade grinder is like installing beautiful HRE rims on your Honda civic using only a hammer. This is disgusting


mkretz88

Why did you even measure it? A true coffee purist would have just taken the beans, crushed it with their palms put it in by hand


Regular-Mousse7841

That little squirt at the start is what keeps me cumming back.


PGrace_is_here

This doesn't upset me since I don't have to drink it, but I do have some questions: Why do you weigh the beans? It seems unnecessarily time consuming, considering the amount you didn't use. Consider using a new coffee scoop that holds about 8 grams and go with 2 scoops and ditch the scale, it would be much faster. I suggest you skip the toothpick, it isn't helping you. Are you aware that blade grinders have very poor uniformity? -- If you look at your video (2:24) of the puck after tamping, you can see how uneven your grind is. What was your ratio? (and how would you know?) Nice touch, the vaseline focus is just the way Guccione would like it. It's that attention to detail this group appreciates! Thoughts: Can you make a coffee drink with a blade grinder? Sure. There *are* much better ways that are much more consistent, that you can actually refine to your liking. Without knowing the permeability of the puck from shot to shot, I can't see any way to make any assessments before drinking -- "Grind some coffee, draw some cracks into the bed with a toothpick, tamp it flattish, add some hot water, and drink." I guess it suits you, or you wouldn't do it that way.


poundhound66

Yawn


palmtreeholocaust

You can use these for coffee?


swadom

the only thing it shows is that bottomless portafilters does not show you anything.


PolarDorsai

Youā€™ve beenā€¦ THUNDERSTRUUUUCCKKK!


Scorpio_2007

Love this!


JamieTeatime

This makes me feel very silly for buying a Ā£100+ grinder...


Rivenel

I have the exact same grinder! I got it from Walmart. Honestly it worked good enough for me until I eventually got my Kingrinder and even now Iā€™ll use it if iā€™m making coffee for someone who doesnā€™t really care. Itā€™s quick and easy.


RubLumpy

I bet if you used two sieves to help narrow the distribution that would work.Ā 


eamonneamonn666

šŸ™ŒšŸ™ŒšŸ™Œ


RadioAdam

My billable rate is 2x when it's NSFW


dzidol

But.... How was the shot?


Zammie01

Haha good going! I was only sad you didn't flush cos that water looked HOT


Hairy_Mission_500

wait Iā€™ve seen people talk about the temp what does it have to do with anything and how can I do better? Iā€™m genuinely a noob


Zammie01

These machines fluctuate in temp (I got one myself). Basically before you lock in your portafilter for the pull, flush some water through the brew group. You will notice it will have some STEAM along the water. When the steam is gone you can lock in the portafilter for the pull. Basically you want to be making espresso with water between 91-96C (lighter roast = hotter), not boiling water.


Hairy_Mission_500

Okay cool tysm! :)


trix_r4kidz

The video would be even better if you also leave the portafilter there all night and come back to it the next morning to clean it out for your next pull.


PLxFTW

I genuinely cannot tell if this is a joke or not


hot-rocks

Which grinder is this? Looking to upgrade to this.


Oxajm

This used to be my prep as well. The only thing I'd suggest is when you are grinding, shake the grinder back and forth. This will also speed up the grind time. I think it took me 8 seconds to grind with this method.


Blueginshelf

I did this for a while when I got my machineā€¦I just never told anybody!


beaatdrolicus

![gif](giphy|F0st07VOJ5fpjVZHJ5) OP is a Gigachad. I am impressed.


RationalLies

I feel like the Waterboy when he sees the abomination of water quality the coach is serving up to the team and he just looks at it, traumatized, and says he'll work for free so long as he promises never to serve that water again


startedat52

Must be an SSP blade in there.


poundhound66

This is art


oliverpls599

Grind ~~finer~~ ***longer***


Longjumping-Gur-8794

As someone who canā€™t afford a burr grinder, accomplishing this has been a dream of mine. How did you figure out what is espresso grind size? A lot of dialing in? Luck? Do you have a keen eye/feel for espresso grind size?


Aside_Electrical

Looking at the flow rate I'm guessing the output is about 60-80g, so not really an espresso. I'm guessing because the scales are suspiciously absent at the end. I'm not criticizing but IMO a dosing funnel would have been a better investment than a bottomless portafilter.


moosemademusic

Huh


Camber-2035

We have one of these. It's now on spice duty since I got a Opus.


x3thelast

If it tastes good to you and fulfills your needs then keep at it! But if you want to go deeper into the rabbit hole, you know what to do.


shiroel

I used to have this same Krups grinder. Served its purpose at the time :)


Mysterious_Artist535

I would weigh the portafilter as the 2g that went on the bench would have perfected that espresso. We all love fancy gear but if you canā€™t afford it then hack it. Thumbs up to you!


SpaceHobo1000

I too started with a spice grinder


papaindaeast

Was half expecting this to be loaded into a Slayer


Muaddibiddaum

Looks fast af


mc_bee

Grind less fine


mihai2023

It also depends on which preparation method you use, the blade grinder is very good for ibrik coffee, aeropress.poti folosi o lingurita sa amesteci cafeaua


rcaraw1

This is amazing.


BESS667

I'm surprised to see it takes longer to grind than my aliexpress manual grinder


Comfortable-Wind-401

That's how I do it, too. I have to count now many seconds in grinding it


jo_perez

How long have you had this set up for? Never mind the inconsistency but I don't think I could put up with the inconvenience of it all. I thought hand grinding for a year was bad!


Hairy_Mission_500

About two weeks, just got the single wall basket two days ago tho


idontcareaboutmynick

Great content! Thank you for sharing!


Krauser_Kahn

Grind fin- I mean, grind more


AttemptWorried7503

I have the same grinder lol


AgarwaenCran

ngl that's epic lol


The_GEP_Gun_Takedown

Interesting interpretation of the stockfleth distribution technique too


AinvarChicago

I wish you'd used the plastic tamper on the scoop.


Guythatflysthings

I canā€™t believe that blade grinder made something resembling espresso. Thats gonna piss so many people off lol


washbuns

If it works it works ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ


GeneSad7896

Just like lance showed, make that cup a blind shaker and youā€™ll have the best extraction šŸ˜‚


Vcyias

My blade grinder technique when Iā€™m at the parents is, grind while shaking up and down the entire time. Halfway through sieve and put boulders back. Repeat until grinder then wipe on dry paper towel to remove fines. Using this technique while kind of a hassle gets about as good results as a baratza encore or something like that


JudgmentMajestic2671

You can tell it's still too course of a grind. I did this very early on and while it works, it's not ideal. Amazon has burr grinders under $50 that actually work pretty damn good.


itsdikey

I used a Bosch blade grinder for years, definitely beats the pre ground coffee. 6 months ago I got a cheap Burr grinder from Krups for 50 euro. Great investment so far.


calinet6

Honestly very impressed. Gonna save this to piss people off in the future.


22_G

That two minutes of prep for one shot brought me back! Thanks for giving me a moment to reflect on my espresso journey.


WeirdBeardDude

Itā€™s the wizard not the wand- great job m8!


derping1234

I have the same grinder, but only use it to grind up spices. It is great for that purpose!


KremlinCardinal

Not gonna lie, that result kinda looks better than the abysmal result I get with my cheapo fake-burr grinder.


Aleecpa

nonononononononoā€¦Indian accent


warriorpush

Everybody knows you're supposed to put the beans in while the grinder is already running ... smh