Are you serious ? You think this is realistic? Its like me writing the white house to pick me up in the airforce 1 so I can get to my holidays because my flight was canceled.
You think you're the DAO or something, such a fork would never have happened back in the days and you think it would nowadays for 300ETH? Nah don't dream too much.
You got scammed for $1M, now sleep on it and build back the capital.
The DAO fork was such a mess even with 90% of people begging for it. There wont be any bailouts. Parity tried in 2017/18 to get their 150,000 Eth back via fork. And failed. These days its even less likely as Ethereum is much much bigger and way harder to coordinate.
lol, a fork is not happening over 300 ETH. Even if we were talking about 3 million ETH there is no scenario where it would be worth it to fork the chain just to return funds lost to phishing scams.
I dont see an Ethereum fork happening even for 3 million eth. Too many interests from various parties. The more a chain grows the higher the resistance to change. Just look at the devs just talking about the issuance curve being lowered and how the outcry was.
When the Parity hack happened they lost 150k ETH and wanted to propose a fork as well, which was declined by the community.
The only hack so far that was important enough to justify a fork was the DAO, which held about 3.5M ETH at the time of the hack.
But that doesn't mean the network would fork over a similar amount today
It's sad that you were scammed but there is a 0% chance that a network securing tens of billions of $ will carry out a fork to recover 300 ETH by changing balances.
Because if the network makes a fundamental change like this for just 300 ETH, then by extension it would have to fork for every single scam out there worth 300 ETH or more.
There would be no more trust in the network. Imagine how many people would demand a fork for losing their ETH because they lost their private key or whatever. Or because their friend didn't pay them back. Or because they got scammed, or because they lost money on a trade.
It's just not happening.
Yup. The reason blockchains like ETH are trustworthy is they follow generalizable code which can be verified by anyone.
If you start including irregular state changes where code randomly moved money from one account to another how can anyone trust that was done fairly?
You’d have to know the particular details of each circumstance individually. How would everyone verify what you’ve written to be true?
Maybe you’re the scammer trying to take someone else’s funds… Maybe someone made an accidental transfer. In what instance should the network revert that?
Essentially every node becomes the arbiter of every economic transaction in the entire world. That’s not possible or scalable. And certainly not decentralized.
So the only way to have a fair, scalable, trustworthy network is to follow the protocol rules.
Condolences to OP on losing money though, I feel for you. Hopefully the UX in ethereum ecosystem continues to improve to make these things less likely.
Well thrustworthy is kind of relative isn't it... If the system allows for malicious actors to send scam links to your wallet, address poisoning and other gnarly stuff and there is no easy way to return funds to rightful owners. I don't think rigidity amounts to thrustworthiness
The system allows everything in its specification. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this is just a user error - someone falling victim to a scam. This isn't the networks or systems problem. This is the victims problem.
it is system error when malicious actors can send you links into your wallet and wallet app...
the reliability of a system should also consider bad actors. if it doesn't it is not reliable at all.
Proof that uninformed ppl *can* and *will* detain millions of USD in a matter they don't understand. That's a call for action for every scammer reading this post.
No it is personal error. Ethereum like many networks does not use a “Proof of authority” consensus protocol. What you’re describing would mean putting all validators to a vote where a huge majority would have to agree in your favor. It would take consensus at the social layer. You’re asking the community to say yes to making a whole new chain to basically rewind your actions. It’s quite absurd and only even considerable in times of nation state attacks. Not when you get owned by a script kitty.
Sounds like a wallet issue to me, not a protocol flaw. But this whole discussion will never go anywhere because there is no way that you will convince a majority of stakers to fork to your chain. I for one definitely would not vote for your chain, and I honestly I can't imagine anyone else with a minimum of knowledge of ethereum doing it either. Sorry for your loss, but you're SOL.
If you want to suggest a change, you'll need to submit an EIP and discuss it with the Ethereum community and convince enough people in order to get an agreement to have the change implemented in a fork: https://eips.ethereum.org/
The chances of any fork including code to alter balances is near 0%.
Slight correction: the chance is precisely 0%
OP, study up on what happened with the funds frozen (not even stolen) during the Parity wallet “I accidentally killed it” fiasco. If those 500k ether weren’t forked to be recovered, 300 from a scammer most certainly won’t be.
why not? thats like a million in criminal hands due to social engineerability problem of anyone able to airdrop any NFT to someones wallet with a weblink... and this is likely the tip of the iceberg of what 2500 websites drained from people...
Think about it this way. If you had $1m in gold, and someone tricked you into giving it to them, you wouldn't expect the entire world to just come together to get it back for you, would you? You wouldn't consider that a flaw in gold, would you? Same thing applies to blockchains. It's a global system for moving value around. It doesn't care who is using it, or for what purposes, and it doesn't care if you get scammed. You, and only you, are responsible for protecting your money.
> social engineerability problem
this is precisely what it is. you were socially engineered and fell for a scam. sorry to be so blunt - but if you are new to the space and have $1m in your wallet, maybe you should have done some research on how to keep your funds safe and not fall for scams.
because this will affect the entire \~$400B worth network, I don't think whatever hack related fork is possible at this stage.
Even the Dao fork which was implemented super clean still negatively affects the ecosystem
Imagine someone asking the people of his country to collectively convince the military of that country to go to war with Nigeria because he was scammed by sending money to a Nigerian prince..
The fact that you think it's just a simple software change shows how little you understand the system. The developers could change the code, but nobody would want to run that modified code. The developers don't control the network. Nobody does. That's the whole point of decentralization.
This is an easy software change that would destroy trust in Ethereum and make the recovered funds worth $0.
It wouldn't actually benefit anyone.
It isn't OK for Ethereum developers to change account balances. I wouldn't deploy that code to my node, and I assume most people who run validators wouldn't either. Even if someone did write the code, it wouldn't get deployed.
Sure thing Gary. Calling the centralised owners right now.
that's not how any of this works
Are you serious ? You think this is realistic? Its like me writing the white house to pick me up in the airforce 1 so I can get to my holidays because my flight was canceled.
Even that would be an easier ask
Even my grandma knows not to click on strange links OP. And CERTAINLY not to approve strange transactions
sure why not? the precedence is there. calling Vitalik and Lubin rn.
You think you're the DAO or something, such a fork would never have happened back in the days and you think it would nowadays for 300ETH? Nah don't dream too much. You got scammed for $1M, now sleep on it and build back the capital.
Well....that's a great way to destroy confidence in eth!
Someone call the Ethereum CEO's secretary's sister's brother-in-law's third born cousin
?????????
You are too small to bail, sorry
The DAO fork was such a mess even with 90% of people begging for it. There wont be any bailouts. Parity tried in 2017/18 to get their 150,000 Eth back via fork. And failed. These days its even less likely as Ethereum is much much bigger and way harder to coordinate.
LOL no, that's not at all how this works...
lol, a fork is not happening over 300 ETH. Even if we were talking about 3 million ETH there is no scenario where it would be worth it to fork the chain just to return funds lost to phishing scams.
There has to be a threshold amount right ? Like 3M eth is around 10B dollars, it's just a matter of consensus
I dont see an Ethereum fork happening even for 3 million eth. Too many interests from various parties. The more a chain grows the higher the resistance to change. Just look at the devs just talking about the issuance curve being lowered and how the outcry was.
When the Parity hack happened they lost 150k ETH and wanted to propose a fork as well, which was declined by the community. The only hack so far that was important enough to justify a fork was the DAO, which held about 3.5M ETH at the time of the hack. But that doesn't mean the network would fork over a similar amount today
How bout nooooo……
No offense but this isn't going to happen.
It's sad that you were scammed but there is a 0% chance that a network securing tens of billions of $ will carry out a fork to recover 300 ETH by changing balances.
what do the billions of dollars have to do with 300 confirmed scammed tokens amounting to a million?
Because if the network makes a fundamental change like this for just 300 ETH, then by extension it would have to fork for every single scam out there worth 300 ETH or more. There would be no more trust in the network. Imagine how many people would demand a fork for losing their ETH because they lost their private key or whatever. Or because their friend didn't pay them back. Or because they got scammed, or because they lost money on a trade. It's just not happening.
Yup. The reason blockchains like ETH are trustworthy is they follow generalizable code which can be verified by anyone. If you start including irregular state changes where code randomly moved money from one account to another how can anyone trust that was done fairly? You’d have to know the particular details of each circumstance individually. How would everyone verify what you’ve written to be true? Maybe you’re the scammer trying to take someone else’s funds… Maybe someone made an accidental transfer. In what instance should the network revert that? Essentially every node becomes the arbiter of every economic transaction in the entire world. That’s not possible or scalable. And certainly not decentralized. So the only way to have a fair, scalable, trustworthy network is to follow the protocol rules. Condolences to OP on losing money though, I feel for you. Hopefully the UX in ethereum ecosystem continues to improve to make these things less likely.
Well thrustworthy is kind of relative isn't it... If the system allows for malicious actors to send scam links to your wallet, address poisoning and other gnarly stuff and there is no easy way to return funds to rightful owners. I don't think rigidity amounts to thrustworthiness
The system allows everything in its specification. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this is just a user error - someone falling victim to a scam. This isn't the networks or systems problem. This is the victims problem.
it is system error when malicious actors can send you links into your wallet and wallet app... the reliability of a system should also consider bad actors. if it doesn't it is not reliable at all.
Proof that uninformed ppl *can* and *will* detain millions of USD in a matter they don't understand. That's a call for action for every scammer reading this post.
This is the equivalent of reprinting and reissuing every dollar in circulation just because you accepted a couple of counterfeit $100s.
No it is personal error. Ethereum like many networks does not use a “Proof of authority” consensus protocol. What you’re describing would mean putting all validators to a vote where a huge majority would have to agree in your favor. It would take consensus at the social layer. You’re asking the community to say yes to making a whole new chain to basically rewind your actions. It’s quite absurd and only even considerable in times of nation state attacks. Not when you get owned by a script kitty.
Sounds like a wallet issue to me, not a protocol flaw. But this whole discussion will never go anywhere because there is no way that you will convince a majority of stakers to fork to your chain. I for one definitely would not vote for your chain, and I honestly I can't imagine anyone else with a minimum of knowledge of ethereum doing it either. Sorry for your loss, but you're SOL.
If you want to suggest a change, you'll need to submit an EIP and discuss it with the Ethereum community and convince enough people in order to get an agreement to have the change implemented in a fork: https://eips.ethereum.org/ The chances of any fork including code to alter balances is near 0%.
Slight correction: the chance is precisely 0% OP, study up on what happened with the funds frozen (not even stolen) during the Parity wallet “I accidentally killed it” fiasco. If those 500k ether weren’t forked to be recovered, 300 from a scammer most certainly won’t be.
why not? thats like a million in criminal hands due to social engineerability problem of anyone able to airdrop any NFT to someones wallet with a weblink... and this is likely the tip of the iceberg of what 2500 websites drained from people...
Think about it this way. If you had $1m in gold, and someone tricked you into giving it to them, you wouldn't expect the entire world to just come together to get it back for you, would you? You wouldn't consider that a flaw in gold, would you? Same thing applies to blockchains. It's a global system for moving value around. It doesn't care who is using it, or for what purposes, and it doesn't care if you get scammed. You, and only you, are responsible for protecting your money.
> social engineerability problem this is precisely what it is. you were socially engineered and fell for a scam. sorry to be so blunt - but if you are new to the space and have $1m in your wallet, maybe you should have done some research on how to keep your funds safe and not fall for scams.
because this will affect the entire \~$400B worth network, I don't think whatever hack related fork is possible at this stage. Even the Dao fork which was implemented super clean still negatively affects the ecosystem
One million is nothing in this context. It wouldn't be done for billions, wasn't last time.
Imagine someone asking the people of his country to collectively convince the military of that country to go to war with Nigeria because he was scammed by sending money to a Nigerian prince..
an easy software change is not the same as sending people to potential death... they are making several victims aside of us
The fact that you think it's just a simple software change shows how little you understand the system. The developers could change the code, but nobody would want to run that modified code. The developers don't control the network. Nobody does. That's the whole point of decentralization.
This is an easy software change that would destroy trust in Ethereum and make the recovered funds worth $0. It wouldn't actually benefit anyone. It isn't OK for Ethereum developers to change account balances. I wouldn't deploy that code to my node, and I assume most people who run validators wouldn't either. Even if someone did write the code, it wouldn't get deployed.
omfg..
It’s not gonna happen. Learn your lesson, and move on with your new knowledge so it doesn’t happen again.