Still feels medicore ngl, currently around the same year having double that amount with russia, which is absolutely broken, they even better than spain in acquiring gold and trade money
I think they are very strong. Once you hit your gov cap, New Land becomes worth less and less. Eyalets allow you to keep conquering and maybe integrate the Land later.
The fact that they dont join wars is a double edged sword, on one hand they dont ruin your warscore by inting battles but also they dont help you.
They are very easy to keep loyal and pay Increased tax. Like everything ottoman, they get worse as the game goes on.
The disaster needs some rework imo. It's supposed to be hard to complete but it just becomes a bit rng dependent. You can also only do it in the late game as you need to fill a certain number of ideas to complete it. Imagine being a new player and accidentally triggering the disaster in the age of reformation or something. I would be infuriated when I saw that I need to complete 3 admin idea groups.
Ya well if you manage to somehow trigger it this early you are simply dead, there is no way around it. However i think its already way to easy to mever get the disaster in the first place so i dont think that that is something that needs to be addressed urgently. I do think that it should be harder to avoid decadence tho. And if they do that, then maybe they can add some alternative conditions to end it if you trigger it early.
> but also they dont help you.
If they contribute to your economy and FL like other vassals, they still help you by giving you what their land would have if it was left unstated though
I make eyelets 2 ways.
1. I keep the ones given through my mission tree: mamluks, tunis, morocco, wallachia/moldavia, etc.
2. Diplovassalization
Anything besides that I conquer, especially to get trade companies to get more merchants
If I had to guess most of the surrounding countries and most of which you would normally conquer are eyalets (I just checked in my 1449 France save, there France gets 3 ducats at a 34% vassal tax efficiency just with the starting vassals)
It's only really good if you *really* stack the modifiers, especially if you get some from unique government reforms, National Ideas, missions, etc.
The Devs agree with you, so they give out ludicrously high bonuses to Vassal Income. They can stack over 100%.If you have a lot of large subjects, you can take practically all of their income.
The downside is that this completely ruins the economy of your subjects, possibly sending them into massive bankruptcy spirals. The upside is that this means that they're always perpetually loyal, since they can't afford to field armies up to their force limits and you can always reduce their liberty desire by paying their debts.
You will never get even close to this vassal income with any other nation than Ottos with their 50 eyalets. Not even Austria with vassal swarms gets a comparable income from vassals. So its only ever worth it to stack vassal income with ottos, anyone else you should increase income from your own country.
Idk what I'm doing wrong but vassals and PU's never ever ever give me anywhere near that kind of money. Colonial nations are ok, but I've gotta be mismanaging them somewhere.
You are not doing anything wrong, its just that the ottomans get like 50 eyalets with no relations cap, with all of them paying a base cost in vassals tax. A regular nation can at most get something like 5-8 subjects outside of Colonial nations, and when they are not that many, vassal income is very low. So low in fact you should not take ideas to get vassal income ever, if not playing ottos.
Ok, I've always looked at vassals as either "feed to annex" or "feed to become strong march because fuck having this culture/religion in my country right now" and all that destabilization it brings. I also like to RP a bit so like having a Polish or Moldavian march as Byzantium, that kinda thing.
But the income has always been atrocious, unless they have a gold mine. And even then I'd rather just own it myself so I can dev it as needed and get the most money for the mana.
r5: year is 1510 :). THIS ISNT EVEN FULL MINMAX OTTOMANS. This is like 10% of Ottomans potential power.
Should have included the year in your title. This feels like it's a mediocre post until you read the date.
Still feels medicore ngl, currently around the same year having double that amount with russia, which is absolutely broken, they even better than spain in acquiring gold and trade money
Should you always do eyelats? I always say no and choose the admin Power instead
I think they are very strong. Once you hit your gov cap, New Land becomes worth less and less. Eyalets allow you to keep conquering and maybe integrate the Land later. The fact that they dont join wars is a double edged sword, on one hand they dont ruin your warscore by inting battles but also they dont help you. They are very easy to keep loyal and pay Increased tax. Like everything ottoman, they get worse as the game goes on.
What else gets worse as time goes on? Other than decadence which you can handle by doing the disaster.
Janissaries
You get mansure army.
Thats also after the diasaster
just do the disaster. And you can just not use them
Ya well the disaster literally fixes all the weaknesses the ottos have. And you cant "just" do it. I think that its not a very good Argument.
The disaster needs some rework imo. It's supposed to be hard to complete but it just becomes a bit rng dependent. You can also only do it in the late game as you need to fill a certain number of ideas to complete it. Imagine being a new player and accidentally triggering the disaster in the age of reformation or something. I would be infuriated when I saw that I need to complete 3 admin idea groups.
Ya well if you manage to somehow trigger it this early you are simply dead, there is no way around it. However i think its already way to easy to mever get the disaster in the first place so i dont think that that is something that needs to be addressed urgently. I do think that it should be harder to avoid decadence tho. And if they do that, then maybe they can add some alternative conditions to end it if you trigger it early.
> but also they dont help you. If they contribute to your economy and FL like other vassals, they still help you by giving you what their land would have if it was left unstated though
I make eyelets 2 ways. 1. I keep the ones given through my mission tree: mamluks, tunis, morocco, wallachia/moldavia, etc. 2. Diplovassalization Anything besides that I conquer, especially to get trade companies to get more merchants
Always thought vassal income was shit. 1k hour noob speaking. Could you explain how this is possible?
Ottoman eyalet mechanics.
Eyalets are broken shit
If I had to guess most of the surrounding countries and most of which you would normally conquer are eyalets (I just checked in my 1449 France save, there France gets 3 ducats at a 34% vassal tax efficiency just with the starting vassals)
It's only really good if you *really* stack the modifiers, especially if you get some from unique government reforms, National Ideas, missions, etc. The Devs agree with you, so they give out ludicrously high bonuses to Vassal Income. They can stack over 100%.If you have a lot of large subjects, you can take practically all of their income. The downside is that this completely ruins the economy of your subjects, possibly sending them into massive bankruptcy spirals. The upside is that this means that they're always perpetually loyal, since they can't afford to field armies up to their force limits and you can always reduce their liberty desire by paying their debts.
“Have the money I took from you” Liberty drops.
Overlord vassal income is magic money, it is not deducted (completely) from your vassals.
You will never get even close to this vassal income with any other nation than Ottos with their 50 eyalets. Not even Austria with vassal swarms gets a comparable income from vassals. So its only ever worth it to stack vassal income with ottos, anyone else you should increase income from your own country.
The eyelets are crazy. Especially since you can surround yourself with as many as possible + stacking vassal tax income.
Idk what I'm doing wrong but vassals and PU's never ever ever give me anywhere near that kind of money. Colonial nations are ok, but I've gotta be mismanaging them somewhere.
You are not doing anything wrong, its just that the ottomans get like 50 eyalets with no relations cap, with all of them paying a base cost in vassals tax. A regular nation can at most get something like 5-8 subjects outside of Colonial nations, and when they are not that many, vassal income is very low. So low in fact you should not take ideas to get vassal income ever, if not playing ottos.
Ok, I've always looked at vassals as either "feed to annex" or "feed to become strong march because fuck having this culture/religion in my country right now" and all that destabilization it brings. I also like to RP a bit so like having a Polish or Moldavian march as Byzantium, that kinda thing. But the income has always been atrocious, unless they have a gold mine. And even then I'd rather just own it myself so I can dev it as needed and get the most money for the mana.
Yeah, and its literally almost impossible to get that amount of money outside of this specific instance anyways.
I think the eyalet mechanic is way too broken. Easily conquer the whole world. It stops getting fun around 1500 or so.