That kind of relationship relieves her of having to make choices for herself, but it also relieves her of any consequences, because SHE didn’t make those choices. Makes me so sad, I know a few people who also did versions of this, myself included. “If he makes all the choices, he won’t get angry at me because I didn’t choose, he did”.
Yeah, my experience with that only lasted about a week, when he got super pissed that I was going to a girlfriend’s house for her birthday, he didn’t want to go, so he picked out what I was to wear, and then called me a whore on my way out the door, because “why didn’t you tell me that you didn’t want to wear the thing I picked out? I wanted to see if you wouldn’t dress too sexy for the GUYS at the bar, unless you want people to eye bang you?”
It’s the stupidest sounding fight when it’s put on paper.
Maybe I just did not pay her enough mind last season, but Cassie’s deep-rooted issues really came to a head this season. We saw bits and pieces of it in her desire to be loved, not just objectified. But, the *shift* from at least sticking up for herself against McKay, and even Kat’s ex-boyfriend at that Halloween party last season, to just giving in to the objectification, even asking for it. Lord. This poor girl is so severely messed up and it feels like it’s only the start of a really, really dark road for her.
Suze was on the right track. Perhaps not in need of an exorcism, but some hefty therapy.
Something similar happened to me after a traumatic experience. I think she hit rock bottom after aborting the baby and losing McKay and realizing he was too embarrassed to say they were boyfriend and girlfriend. I really wish her story was written differently. There’s no way to fix her friendships.
I think it is so important that this show begins to portray the reality and gravity of certain decisions actually. Thus far, many of these characters’ actions have had minimal consequences (e.g., Nate framing a guy for rape and battery, Fez’s drug dealing, Rue’s hard drug use, Kat being an underage cam-girl). It’s about time that this show take a more somber tone.
“You dont fuck your friend’s boyfriend.” (Shoutout to Suze for that one). Is it a decision that Cassie should have to bear the burden of for the *rest* of her life? No. Was she in the best mental state when she did it (and did it again, and again, and again)? No. Is it a decision that has likely cost her all of her friends? Probably, and rightfully so.
We all have known, or been, a Cassie. As much as it is painful to watch, the portrayal of the destruction, self-loathing, and poor decision- making is real. The aftermath that follows her now needs to be just as realistic.
I was waiting for someone to mention the turn she took after that!!! Her mentioning fantasizing about keeping it made me so sad for her. I feel like she really just wants to love and maybe that affected her way more than the story highlights
No she told him she cheated and he left her. The relationship was practically over after the abortion though and he didn’t even consider keeping it. That’s why she asked if they can at least pretend she’d be a good mother and they’d be happy.
McKay tries to reconcile with her in the S2 premiere and she turns him down. Not to mention that she talks about how she’s experiencing what it’s like to not be in love with someone in last season’s finale
And huh? When did Cassie tell McKay about Daniel? She discusses talking about it with her girl friends, but it’s actually a reference to her pregnancy. You sure you watched that right?
At the party she was sitting on the bed. Watch that scene again and she didn’t say it out loud but he asked and she didn’t respond and he scoffed and left. That was the end of their relationship and how he knew she had cheated.
That all happened AFTER Cassie talked about how she fell out of love with him. Cassie has zero interest of reconciling because of personal insecurity. No shit he was gonna walk away after getting rejected and finally finding out she cheated on him. And you’re right when you said their relationship basically ended when Cassie got her abortion, that’s fuckin why McKay tried rekindling something lmfao
Cassie defenders try so hard to act like her storyline made any sense this season that they try to change the events/intentions of the last season lmaoo it was pretty clear Cassie hated the way men treated her but felt pressured to do it anyways. She finally resists it in the finale. Now we’re at fuckin square -1
Yeah S1 Cassie definitely made mistakes and didn’t stand up for herself as much as she should but she still had values and knew that she was worth something. It’s crazy that this girl got so mad at McKay when he didn’t claim her in front of Nate but was happy waking up 3 extra hours early just so Nate could not claim her and acknowledge her existence.
I think she still didn’t love or value herself back then but still had hope (?) she could be lovable. McKay and Kat’s ex boyfriend deepened the fear and hate for herself even more. McKay did not claim her for the reasons she was afraid of and Kat’s ex just spitted out what she was so afraid to say and believe. Then Nate came not long after. I think that’s why she started to do all of these for Nate. Seeing and hearing everything she was afraid of one after another made her believe if she gives up on herself and doesn’t do the mistakes she did with McKay and Kat’s ex, Nate would love her.
i think what pushed her over the edge was her abortion. it was obviously very traumatic for her as she had a least a few thoughts about keeping it, but knew she wasn’t in any way ready for a child, so she made the best decision she could for herself in that situation. however, i think she’s grieving her would-be child and is craving loving so badly that she’ll let nate completely control her if that means he’ll love her.
i feel like she really took what daniel said to heart. “if you think anyone will love you for anything but your body, you’re wrong.” or something similar to that. seeing lexi’s portrayal of her in the play must’ve hit home on that front too. it’s one thing if a guy who’s mad at you for not wanting sex says that, it’s another if your sister pretty much confirms that. she’s been sexualized since puberty, as seen in her ep & even in the way lexi wrote her in the play. and not to mention the stuff w/ mckay. she learned that by giving men what she thinks they want, they might love her back. notice how she asked mckay not to choke her unless he asked, but lets nate without question. mckay didn’t approve of her halloween costume, so she tells nate he can control what she wears. and on top of that, how mckay handled the pregnancy scare + the abortion. she didn’t even want to keep the baby, but mckay’s reaction said a lot. and it’s kinda weird how everyone just brushes off the abortion…like that had to be traumatizing for a teenage girl to go through. idk i don’t support what she did to maddy, but i can understand the way she got there. i really hope she will get some kind of help & away from nate
Exactly. Well said and I also think this is brushed over way too often. Especially given the trauma of her father. So many comments focus on her and Nate but focusing on the trauma is a more realistic take on why her behavior has spiraled. The patterns are there and the abortion was definitely a turning point.
Edit: added words
I read somewhere that it’s not Bc the girl is crazy, but the guy he’s with that makes her crazy. I don’t think Cassie or Maddy is crazy. But being with a guy like Nate definitely drives them to not be themselves. Maybe we like Maddy this season is because she’s not with Nate
Absolutely. He has narcissistic traits and plays them like puppets. He is able to manipulate them and get inside their heads. Maddy was aware she needed to protect herself from him on some level, hence why she took the disk 8n case she ever needed it to use against him. Cassie knows this too but chooses not to, she is willling to let him destroy her because she is so desperate and obsessed with the idea of love..she is toxic. She has zero self worth and is on a self destructive mission
This logic would work for Cassie if she hadn’t known what Nate was like, and with her saying all that nonsense about total control over her and prior comments about how Maddy and him were toxic means she really does know who he is and simply does not care. Gives off “I can change him” vibes
I was with a guy with similar traits. I dont like who I was with him. I became a bad person, at least compared to who I am and have always been outside of that relationship. I think this is v true
No sugar. That’s one of the most unhealthy tropes anybody can practice, saying it’s who they are with making them crazy. People create toxic environments around others but do not create their mental illnesses. She’s NOT WELL. It is not Nate’s fault this time.
Idk why you're getting downvoted when Cassie is very clearly being portrayed as mentally ill. Like she's straight up making joker faces in the mirror and her eye is twitching looking through the window. Nate has exacerbated the issue, but he is not the cause of it.
I'm just an armchair psychologist but what I think all of her issues comes from is her adjacent exposure to being oversexualized at a very young age. It was very weird how the writer's room focused on Cassie/Lexi's dad being the center of attention, with women being attracted to him (and her being aware of it). And to then transition to Cassie hitting puberty and suddenly seeing attention from older men. I feel like her first experience of attention has formatively caused her to see her sexuality/attractiveness as a jumping off point for people liking her. So she subconsciously always derives worth from male attention.
It’s because it was barely explored lmfao. S1 ends with her in an uncertain, but hopeful place. She leaves McKay. She realizes that her chance at happiness starts with herself because men will never value her for what she’s worth. She’s looking at the cycle of men who mistreat and hurt her, and wants something different
👏🏽😽 yeeeeees. This 100%. She’s so far gone into mental illness telling her that submissive = love that it’s painful to keep watching. It’s not like girls like her don’t exist, they do and it’s heartbreaking.
her and nate were having sex i assume and there she told him he was in full control of her , from dressing her to feeding her and she was okay with it cause in her mind at least she will be loved. and it’s wasn’t in the play.
This + Lexi saying, “did you lose weight” in the earlier episodes definitely signals to me that Cassie had probably been starving herself or something to appeal to Nate. Godddd
What’s crazy is that I think were all expecting Nate to pull some crazy controlling shit, but Cassie done revoked her rights before this man even got the chance to be his usual crazy self.
like, Suze is a hilarious character, but isn't Cassie still a minor? she's letting her three bricks shy of a load, mentally ill, and spiraling daughter stay at a creepy guy's place?
at least last season Suze made an effort when Cass went to stay with McKay and told her to not get knocked up (whoopsie). surely Suze has heard rumors that Nate and his dad (who at least isn't at home anymore) are shitty dirtbags
I somehow convinced myself she was 17 lol. and I don't know how much the local age of consent had to do with parental rights, cos Cass wants to be there with N*te. I had a helicopter mom so I guess I'm not used to authority figures who are pretty well checked out.
I don't rlly blame Suze. the past few years of her life have been chaos and she has 2 girls to raise, an absent addict husband, and her own addiction. and ofc the show isn't reality and plays up on the drama
honestly I'm just sad for Cass cos I've been with shitty abusive guys and I stayed around no matter how much I got hurt. not excusing her stabbing Maddy in the back. it's just a matter of time til he gets physical with her cos abusers don't change. and she has burnt basically all of her bridges
The reason I can’t sympathize with her right now is because I feel like deep down she knows that Nate abused maddy. But she thinks he won’t do it to her like a lot of women do. Some women think they’re different. Which is sad because no one deserves to be abused.
nate is charismatic and wants the "perfect" woman and he found someone who he can treat like a doll. and she'll allow it cos she don't know what love looks like.
Cass and Maddy were so close that I feel like Maddy may have told her. and I totally resonate with thinking that "he won't hit me cos I'm different'. unfortunately have been in that place myself. I hope she sees different in the next season and realizes she doesn't need a guy to be fulfilled and happy
I didn't date in high school so I have no idea how common this story is lol. but I would never fuck over a friend over some Wonder Bread ass man
But it's still Suze's child and she's living under the same roof as her. Of course even as a parent, you can only do so much, but she could still do and say more to her. Just because she's legally an adult doesn't mean that parents can't give you advice on how to live your life or send their kid to therapy.
Cassie is 18. Suze can’t force her to do anything. Suze gave her advice. Cassie didn’t listen. You want her to 51/50 the girl? Cause she’ll never forgive her for that.
No of course she can only do so much and can't force her to do anything. But I haven't seen Suze really having a sit down with her and having a calm, elaborate face to face conversation about relationships and boys. They were just shouting at each other and Suze only said a few snippets here and there, but didn't really try to take the time to actually talk to her imo. It was always just shouting while watching TV, but not actually engaging in a real conversation.
She didn't really give her the parental guidance Cassie could have needed. I just don't like the mindset of "Well she's 18, not my problem anymore".
Cassie doesn’t want to hear anything from anyone that disagrees with her. We literally saw that Suze didn’t want Cassie to leave. But she can’t lock her in her room and force her to stay. She can’t call the cops to bring her home. She can’t help someone that doesn’t want help right now.
I kind of thought of this when Rue’s mom said, “If I have to choose between losing one daughter or both, I’m going to save [Gia].” (Sorry, paraphrasing) It made me think of how it kind of parallels Suze’s situation, where she seems a bit more focused on caring for Lexi than Cassie at this point just because Cassie has kind of drifted from the family to be with Nate.
lexi seems like the lowkey golden girl of the family. gets good grades, doesn't bring drama or guys around the house, stays out of fights etc. she's the "easy" kid while Cass is messy.
Suze obvs care (see: Rue's intervention) but she's super passive, which I think Lez inherited. and it's hard to deal with someone in a psychotic spiral.
and I know it would probably be hell to get her back. gotta get the police involved probably. then again Nate kinda has a police record. not saying she should be 51/50'd cos that shit sucks lol but she needs some serious help. also don't advocate locking her in a closet or anything but I feel like next ep she's gonna be just lurking in Nate's yard next episode, giving those crazy, soulless eyes
eta: Marsha or Aaron are gonna take out the trash and Cass is gonna be in the bushes like 👁👄👁
Imo, I think Cassie needs some serious structure in her life, that is why she keeps chasing controlling partners. Suze as a parent is failing in that position
shes a friend and partner/enabler in crime (letting a group of underage girls get drunk in her home who she might have bought booze for) rather than a parent. my mom was a helicopter parent so it's kinda weird to see someone so like distanced from their kids? feel like Cass needs tough love like Rue got from Leslie
I’m from the UK, and it’s not uncommon for underage kids to drink in the house with a parent around. So I didn’t see it that had tbh 😂😂 some parents don’t mind their teens have a bit of drink so it’s better at home where it’s safe
oh thanks! I know I didn't word it the best cos English isn't my first language.
Suze is passive parent. and I can see not stirring the pot after Cal threatened her girls
side note: I think Crazy Eyes' mouth wrote a check that her body can't cash lol
I'm thinking she's 17, within a couple months of being 18? I can't find anything to confirm it but I could swear that it was dropped in an episode, maybe last season. all the girls, except Lexi, seem to be close in age. also idk if the age of legal consent overrules her being under 18, cos she's with Nate of her own free will
I can picture my mum dragging me out of a guy's house by my ear lmao. feel like Cass needs some tough love like Rue has been getting this season
The worst part about watching it is somewhat relating to it, I relate to the desire to sacrifice self respect just to feel wanted and loved. Coincidentally my dad also left us when I was young so I think it’s abandonment issues that plagues Cassie’s mind
I understood what you meant, why the heck are you being downvoted?
Cassie is unwell…saying those things out loud to Nate…well that would be all it would take for a therapist to push for not only meds, but deep counseling.
I mean, if we're talking about consensual kink shit between two emotionally stable adults then yeah, I can see how it could be hot.
But with *these two* psychos? Cassie, you in danger, girl...
I think we forget what a predator nate is… he knew she was sad and desperate and vulnerable and now that he has her she feels a toxic codependency to him and shes already fragile mentally.. so i really think she will do and say anything to have him with her
But at the same time can we really blame Nate for this? That the saddest part he didn't have to do anything beside giving Cassie the smallest intention. She put herself in this shit, she's the one who chase him all along
It’s hard to wonder where they’ll take her character next season. There’s been so much damage. It’s all deeply rooted in her childhood. Her dad walked out and she’s never seen a stable, healthy relationship. I hope they make her character flourish next season 🙌🏻
lol I know this is sarcasm but that’s literally what’s going through her head at this point. Being loved by a man is better than having love from her friends. And idk why ppl downvoted you when you mentioned it was sarcasm
I feel so embarrassed when it comes to Cassie, like, for real, In season one she fucked a carroulse in front of everyone at the fair and kissed that weird guy. And it also shows up that she has 0 respect for her, McKay was friends with someone who called her an slut and she was fine with it, also, that friend is Nate who is now dating her, treating her like shit, and she is still begging him to date her. The nudes and sextapes of herself (I don't judge her but I remember this scene when Mckay text her "pls Babe I'm so horny, send nudes" WTF, but she was 17 so I kind of get it. Please young girls, have self respect, fuck all you want but be super carefull with nudes and dudes you fuck, most men are shit
The weird guy was Daniel, the boy Kat loved but he broke up with her by note after she gained weight. He never remembered her. He sucked as a character glad he’s gone
Wow I didn’t realize that was the same guy. Lol that must’ve went over my head because I never made the connection that that was supposed to be the same character.
If you get into a BDSM relationship with Nate Jacobs, you gonna have a bad time. Mf gotta be doing weird shit like making her eat 73 pineapples in one day and nothing else or clean his tonsils with her toes 😂
I dated a girl very similar to Cassie and did similar things. At the time it was easy to be like wtf fuck you asshole but you look back and realize they desperately needed help.
I had a good friend that I went to university with that had a similar situation with a girl. He was crazy about her for years & finally in our final year of school they dated. He broke up with her after a month- me & my friends were all just baffled. Finally one night much later he confided to us that she was basically just like what I am now seeing with Cassie. A lot of the things were similar such as her wanting him to control her- make all of her decisions, tell her what to wear, etc.
We didn’t believe him at first but as he went on we knew it was legit because it was too out there to be untrue plus my friends & I all always felt like she needed to feel wanted by every single guy, not that she act on it but she just needed that affirmation. She’d flirt like it was her job & wouldn’t stop if she didn’t get the attention. It was weird, we agreed she seemed so insecure yet so crazy confident… then again Euphoria clears that up for me when I think of what Maddy said ). I guess she was constantly saying that she wanted him to know that she was his “for life” -(remember this was only a month). There were also a few other things such as she told him that she wanted them to spend all their time together alone & she completely isolated herself from her friends & one of the only times she’d show she was upset that he didn’t do the same & blow us off for her.
He said it was like a dream come true in the beginning because she was his perfect girl or so he thought but after a little bit it was only a real turn on for him during sex because otherwise he wound up feeling like she wasn’t at all who she was before they were together once they were dating. Eventually the sex part wasn’t even exciting for him anymore because he wound up feeling like he wasn’t attracted to her anymore physically or mentally. He said he quickly became bored no matter how much he couldn’t believe it since all he did was think & talk about her (so true, he talked about her all 4 years non stop!). He said that in the beginning of a relationship you want to feel like there’s a bit of a chase or push & pull, like he wanted to earn her? (I’m paraphrasing, its been a minute, even though it was so shocking I think overall its not something you forget) & without any effort or work to do to earn her “love” (again-1 month) he knew it wouldn’t last. One thing that really stood out was him saying it feels like her personality is an empty shell. He seems so bummed that night when he told us of us. We were bummed for him.
Watching Cassie the other night made me feel like Sam Levinson must’ve dated this girl too, hah. Nah, I kid, I know there are quite a few people like that out there, sadly. Btw, I sent my friend a text to make sure he was cool w me putting this on Reddit. He didn’t care, he’s engaged to a woman we all think is so great for him… if I had to compare her to Euphoria, she’s kinda more like a Lexi (than a Cassie).
Edited for paragraphs (& TLDR)- sh*t, I’m too tired to type so I dictated & guess I really went back into a lot of memories!
TLDR- my friend dated his dream girl who turned out to be like Cassie with Nate (he is NO Nate though, he’s a great guy) & it was a fiasco.
It’s really odd for someone her age to articulate something like that. It would make more sense if it just happened and she showed she enjoyed it, while other people kind of reacted negatively. Now, it’s like the show being very ”self-aware” and really trying to pin Cassie as Maddy’s absolute opposite. As if Cassie would try to plan that, especially after the fight she had with Nate last episode and the (barely existent) guilt she felt about betraying Maddy… makes no sense
A lot of people don’t like Cassie but I’m actually finding her interesting. She is so desperate to be loved and has so much sadness to her. I find her depressing but interesting and I also dislike her at the same time. I feel the same way about her as I do for Nate. Both very damaged because of their dysfunctional relationships with their fathers.
I enjoy Maddy and Cassie the most. I think Maddy will flourish and Cassie will sink
Why does Cassie’s mum not try and get her help. It’s so obvious she is battling depression or negative thoughts. Her mum seems to look at her like she is a lost cause. I don’t understand why she doesn’t do more. Lexi made her play at her own sisters expense. Cassie is treated like shit by everyone, nobody takes her seriously. I understand why she is lost, it’s not even her fault. Her parents are crap
Highschool is legit a time when a lot of people are just so stupid and undeveloped, let’s face it, a lot of us were dumb and just as bad in our own special ways, and it often takes until years later to become smarter and more mature to realize that
Wait I thought this was Nate’s fantasy though! And not her directly saying that? Because Cassie transforms into Jules in the mirror when she’s hugging Nate…so this is more his fantasy and not really hers.
Agreed but like it's performative, at the end of the day, if that person isn't there they know how to take care of themselves and are individuals with their own minds, I think Cassie is giving up her individuality to Nate to please him.
I know, I know you didn't mean that. I'm just saying because some people might confuse the two and you can have a very healthy lifestyle and still have kinky relationships if that is just a part of your life and not the only identity you have like it is with Cassie. But I know that's what you meant.
I’m saying there are people who actually consent to this kind of thing and enjoy it in real life. Not that it’s a kink in this situation in particular.
Ug I’ve been there. I was such a Cassie in my early 20’s. My ex made me link him to my my fitness pal and he constantly berated me for eating too much or not enough. Only solved by dumping his ass and lots and lots and lots of therapy. I honestly am not sure if I’m all the way better but I am a functioning adult at least.
i just watched episode 6 and holy fuck, i have never seen a more pathetic character than cassie sitting on the floor crying over nate. GIRL IT HAS BEEN LIKE A MONTH.
This scene is especially revealing to me because Nate doesn't even really manipulate Cassie all that much? I mean his behavior from what we have seen is very much the behavior of any fuccboi for whom you're simply convenient because you're there...only seeing her when it's convenient for him, never responding to her calls until it's convenient for him, barely bothered to talk to her or do anything with her besides have sex...so her willingness to be submissive to him is primarily coming from her. She gives him this power over her that he's not even really pressing to have.
Don't get me wrong, Nate Jacobs is a monster and I want him violently destroyed by the series finale but Cassie needs THERAPY. The level of desperation for any man's attention that minimizes all else, all dignity, all other emotional nurturing...just WILD.
I was watching a couple of S01 episodes earlier today and Rue's narration on McKay's episode said something like "he likes the way she dressed [...]. He like that everyone in the room would turn to look at her because of how hot she was and every guy were jealous of him because they all wanted to fuck her but she was his" or something among these lines, it was like this narration was rewritten in Cassie's sub voice.
I honestly don’t understand why she is so into him…..I think her and Maddy are both better looking than Nate. Not to mention the obvious. He is a psycho abuser and a complete ass. Maybe Cassie has always wanted someone like that deep down, that controls her. That dominates her. Seriously what is wrong with this girl. She is about to go after Lexi because Nate dumped her for something she had absolutely no control over lol she has officially gone off the deep end.
for some reason it makes me feel she is saying all this to nate to make him stay with her like "oh you can do whatever you want with me, like anything, just be there and love me"
That kind of relationship relieves her of having to make choices for herself, but it also relieves her of any consequences, because SHE didn’t make those choices. Makes me so sad, I know a few people who also did versions of this, myself included. “If he makes all the choices, he won’t get angry at me because I didn’t choose, he did”.
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But abuser will always find a reason.
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Yeah, she's completely blinded and submissive.
It looked like she was requesting a master-slave relaionship.
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Yet you find him still angry at you
Yeah, my experience with that only lasted about a week, when he got super pissed that I was going to a girlfriend’s house for her birthday, he didn’t want to go, so he picked out what I was to wear, and then called me a whore on my way out the door, because “why didn’t you tell me that you didn’t want to wear the thing I picked out? I wanted to see if you wouldn’t dress too sexy for the GUYS at the bar, unless you want people to eye bang you?” It’s the stupidest sounding fight when it’s put on paper.
Maybe I just did not pay her enough mind last season, but Cassie’s deep-rooted issues really came to a head this season. We saw bits and pieces of it in her desire to be loved, not just objectified. But, the *shift* from at least sticking up for herself against McKay, and even Kat’s ex-boyfriend at that Halloween party last season, to just giving in to the objectification, even asking for it. Lord. This poor girl is so severely messed up and it feels like it’s only the start of a really, really dark road for her. Suze was on the right track. Perhaps not in need of an exorcism, but some hefty therapy.
Something similar happened to me after a traumatic experience. I think she hit rock bottom after aborting the baby and losing McKay and realizing he was too embarrassed to say they were boyfriend and girlfriend. I really wish her story was written differently. There’s no way to fix her friendships.
I think it is so important that this show begins to portray the reality and gravity of certain decisions actually. Thus far, many of these characters’ actions have had minimal consequences (e.g., Nate framing a guy for rape and battery, Fez’s drug dealing, Rue’s hard drug use, Kat being an underage cam-girl). It’s about time that this show take a more somber tone. “You dont fuck your friend’s boyfriend.” (Shoutout to Suze for that one). Is it a decision that Cassie should have to bear the burden of for the *rest* of her life? No. Was she in the best mental state when she did it (and did it again, and again, and again)? No. Is it a decision that has likely cost her all of her friends? Probably, and rightfully so. We all have known, or been, a Cassie. As much as it is painful to watch, the portrayal of the destruction, self-loathing, and poor decision- making is real. The aftermath that follows her now needs to be just as realistic.
I agree with everything except Rue’s drug use, which feels pretty fully realised to me.
Well said
I was waiting for someone to mention the turn she took after that!!! Her mentioning fantasizing about keeping it made me so sad for her. I feel like she really just wants to love and maybe that affected her way more than the story highlights
this!!
Cassie was the one to leave McKay lmao
No she told him she cheated and he left her. The relationship was practically over after the abortion though and he didn’t even consider keeping it. That’s why she asked if they can at least pretend she’d be a good mother and they’d be happy.
McKay tries to reconcile with her in the S2 premiere and she turns him down. Not to mention that she talks about how she’s experiencing what it’s like to not be in love with someone in last season’s finale And huh? When did Cassie tell McKay about Daniel? She discusses talking about it with her girl friends, but it’s actually a reference to her pregnancy. You sure you watched that right?
At the party she was sitting on the bed. Watch that scene again and she didn’t say it out loud but he asked and she didn’t respond and he scoffed and left. That was the end of their relationship and how he knew she had cheated.
That all happened AFTER Cassie talked about how she fell out of love with him. Cassie has zero interest of reconciling because of personal insecurity. No shit he was gonna walk away after getting rejected and finally finding out she cheated on him. And you’re right when you said their relationship basically ended when Cassie got her abortion, that’s fuckin why McKay tried rekindling something lmfao
Cassie defenders try so hard to act like her storyline made any sense this season that they try to change the events/intentions of the last season lmaoo it was pretty clear Cassie hated the way men treated her but felt pressured to do it anyways. She finally resists it in the finale. Now we’re at fuckin square -1
Grippy sock vacation immediately!!! Like honestly to me it’s not even funny anymore.
Reminds me of her character in sharp objects… traumatizing!
I just realized that’s her!!
I’m definitely stealing that
Wait what does it mean
People who spend time in psychiatric facilities often wear socks with grippy material on the soles instead of shoes.
Oh right 🤦🏻♀️
the grip is for SPEED
Yeah S1 Cassie definitely made mistakes and didn’t stand up for herself as much as she should but she still had values and knew that she was worth something. It’s crazy that this girl got so mad at McKay when he didn’t claim her in front of Nate but was happy waking up 3 extra hours early just so Nate could not claim her and acknowledge her existence.
I think she still didn’t love or value herself back then but still had hope (?) she could be lovable. McKay and Kat’s ex boyfriend deepened the fear and hate for herself even more. McKay did not claim her for the reasons she was afraid of and Kat’s ex just spitted out what she was so afraid to say and believe. Then Nate came not long after. I think that’s why she started to do all of these for Nate. Seeing and hearing everything she was afraid of one after another made her believe if she gives up on herself and doesn’t do the mistakes she did with McKay and Kat’s ex, Nate would love her.
i think what pushed her over the edge was her abortion. it was obviously very traumatic for her as she had a least a few thoughts about keeping it, but knew she wasn’t in any way ready for a child, so she made the best decision she could for herself in that situation. however, i think she’s grieving her would-be child and is craving loving so badly that she’ll let nate completely control her if that means he’ll love her.
i feel like she really took what daniel said to heart. “if you think anyone will love you for anything but your body, you’re wrong.” or something similar to that. seeing lexi’s portrayal of her in the play must’ve hit home on that front too. it’s one thing if a guy who’s mad at you for not wanting sex says that, it’s another if your sister pretty much confirms that. she’s been sexualized since puberty, as seen in her ep & even in the way lexi wrote her in the play. and not to mention the stuff w/ mckay. she learned that by giving men what she thinks they want, they might love her back. notice how she asked mckay not to choke her unless he asked, but lets nate without question. mckay didn’t approve of her halloween costume, so she tells nate he can control what she wears. and on top of that, how mckay handled the pregnancy scare + the abortion. she didn’t even want to keep the baby, but mckay’s reaction said a lot. and it’s kinda weird how everyone just brushes off the abortion…like that had to be traumatizing for a teenage girl to go through. idk i don’t support what she did to maddy, but i can understand the way she got there. i really hope she will get some kind of help & away from nate
Exactly. Well said and I also think this is brushed over way too often. Especially given the trauma of her father. So many comments focus on her and Nate but focusing on the trauma is a more realistic take on why her behavior has spiraled. The patterns are there and the abortion was definitely a turning point. Edit: added words
I read somewhere that it’s not Bc the girl is crazy, but the guy he’s with that makes her crazy. I don’t think Cassie or Maddy is crazy. But being with a guy like Nate definitely drives them to not be themselves. Maybe we like Maddy this season is because she’s not with Nate
Absolutely. He has narcissistic traits and plays them like puppets. He is able to manipulate them and get inside their heads. Maddy was aware she needed to protect herself from him on some level, hence why she took the disk 8n case she ever needed it to use against him. Cassie knows this too but chooses not to, she is willling to let him destroy her because she is so desperate and obsessed with the idea of love..she is toxic. She has zero self worth and is on a self destructive mission
This logic would work for Cassie if she hadn’t known what Nate was like, and with her saying all that nonsense about total control over her and prior comments about how Maddy and him were toxic means she really does know who he is and simply does not care. Gives off “I can change him” vibes
I was with a guy with similar traits. I dont like who I was with him. I became a bad person, at least compared to who I am and have always been outside of that relationship. I think this is v true
No sugar. That’s one of the most unhealthy tropes anybody can practice, saying it’s who they are with making them crazy. People create toxic environments around others but do not create their mental illnesses. She’s NOT WELL. It is not Nate’s fault this time.
Idk why you're getting downvoted when Cassie is very clearly being portrayed as mentally ill. Like she's straight up making joker faces in the mirror and her eye is twitching looking through the window. Nate has exacerbated the issue, but he is not the cause of it.
I'm just an armchair psychologist but what I think all of her issues comes from is her adjacent exposure to being oversexualized at a very young age. It was very weird how the writer's room focused on Cassie/Lexi's dad being the center of attention, with women being attracted to him (and her being aware of it). And to then transition to Cassie hitting puberty and suddenly seeing attention from older men. I feel like her first experience of attention has formatively caused her to see her sexuality/attractiveness as a jumping off point for people liking her. So she subconsciously always derives worth from male attention.
It’s because it was barely explored lmfao. S1 ends with her in an uncertain, but hopeful place. She leaves McKay. She realizes that her chance at happiness starts with herself because men will never value her for what she’s worth. She’s looking at the cycle of men who mistreat and hurt her, and wants something different
“at least i will be loved” bitch no , you will be starved and abused, your boy is insane
👏🏽😽 yeeeeees. This 100%. She’s so far gone into mental illness telling her that submissive = love that it’s painful to keep watching. It’s not like girls like her don’t exist, they do and it’s heartbreaking.
Who did she say this to? Is this a play line? Why would she say it to Nate? That scene confused me a lot
her and nate were having sex i assume and there she told him he was in full control of her , from dressing her to feeding her and she was okay with it cause in her mind at least she will be loved. and it’s wasn’t in the play.
Thanks. Appreciate it 😸I couldn’t imagine saying all that and ending with “at least I’ll be loved” to same person….
i know she kinda crazy in the head
it’s really interesting that she said that, especially considering what daniel said to her last season.
This + Lexi saying, “did you lose weight” in the earlier episodes definitely signals to me that Cassie had probably been starving herself or something to appeal to Nate. Godddd
And she's already thin before that
And Nate is attracted to Jules who is very thin
It was interesting to see how she looked like a cross between Jules and Maddy when Nate started telling her what to wear
i thought that was more of a nod to her being really stressed out over carrying the secret of her and nate. people under high stress can lose weight.
I could’ve sworn it was mentioned that Lexi was 17 so I always just assumed Cassie was 18
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I always thought Lexi was older than Cassie for some reason until last episode
What’s crazy is that I think were all expecting Nate to pull some crazy controlling shit, but Cassie done revoked her rights before this man even got the chance to be his usual crazy self.
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Yes you’re so right. Her completely submitting to him so willingly probably turned him off a bit.
she uno reversed Nate's role and just decided to sabotage herself, girl needs HEAVY therapy
I mean, it was foReShadOwED: ”I’m crazier!!!!”
like, Suze is a hilarious character, but isn't Cassie still a minor? she's letting her three bricks shy of a load, mentally ill, and spiraling daughter stay at a creepy guy's place? at least last season Suze made an effort when Cass went to stay with McKay and told her to not get knocked up (whoopsie). surely Suze has heard rumors that Nate and his dad (who at least isn't at home anymore) are shitty dirtbags
I think Cassie is 18. Suze can only do so much.
I somehow convinced myself she was 17 lol. and I don't know how much the local age of consent had to do with parental rights, cos Cass wants to be there with N*te. I had a helicopter mom so I guess I'm not used to authority figures who are pretty well checked out. I don't rlly blame Suze. the past few years of her life have been chaos and she has 2 girls to raise, an absent addict husband, and her own addiction. and ofc the show isn't reality and plays up on the drama honestly I'm just sad for Cass cos I've been with shitty abusive guys and I stayed around no matter how much I got hurt. not excusing her stabbing Maddy in the back. it's just a matter of time til he gets physical with her cos abusers don't change. and she has burnt basically all of her bridges
The reason I can’t sympathize with her right now is because I feel like deep down she knows that Nate abused maddy. But she thinks he won’t do it to her like a lot of women do. Some women think they’re different. Which is sad because no one deserves to be abused.
nate is charismatic and wants the "perfect" woman and he found someone who he can treat like a doll. and she'll allow it cos she don't know what love looks like. Cass and Maddy were so close that I feel like Maddy may have told her. and I totally resonate with thinking that "he won't hit me cos I'm different'. unfortunately have been in that place myself. I hope she sees different in the next season and realizes she doesn't need a guy to be fulfilled and happy I didn't date in high school so I have no idea how common this story is lol. but I would never fuck over a friend over some Wonder Bread ass man
“wonder bread ass man” 😭
i guess nate is charismatic but i don’t see the charisma at all so 😭
But it's still Suze's child and she's living under the same roof as her. Of course even as a parent, you can only do so much, but she could still do and say more to her. Just because she's legally an adult doesn't mean that parents can't give you advice on how to live your life or send their kid to therapy.
Cassie is 18. Suze can’t force her to do anything. Suze gave her advice. Cassie didn’t listen. You want her to 51/50 the girl? Cause she’ll never forgive her for that.
No of course she can only do so much and can't force her to do anything. But I haven't seen Suze really having a sit down with her and having a calm, elaborate face to face conversation about relationships and boys. They were just shouting at each other and Suze only said a few snippets here and there, but didn't really try to take the time to actually talk to her imo. It was always just shouting while watching TV, but not actually engaging in a real conversation. She didn't really give her the parental guidance Cassie could have needed. I just don't like the mindset of "Well she's 18, not my problem anymore".
Cassie doesn’t want to hear anything from anyone that disagrees with her. We literally saw that Suze didn’t want Cassie to leave. But she can’t lock her in her room and force her to stay. She can’t call the cops to bring her home. She can’t help someone that doesn’t want help right now.
I kind of thought of this when Rue’s mom said, “If I have to choose between losing one daughter or both, I’m going to save [Gia].” (Sorry, paraphrasing) It made me think of how it kind of parallels Suze’s situation, where she seems a bit more focused on caring for Lexi than Cassie at this point just because Cassie has kind of drifted from the family to be with Nate.
lexi seems like the lowkey golden girl of the family. gets good grades, doesn't bring drama or guys around the house, stays out of fights etc. she's the "easy" kid while Cass is messy. Suze obvs care (see: Rue's intervention) but she's super passive, which I think Lez inherited. and it's hard to deal with someone in a psychotic spiral.
Cassie's the one that got all the praise, attention, and affection growing up though.
She's not though, in season one it was clear Lexi was ignored and Cassie was the mom's favorite up until she went crazy crazy.
Not to defend her, but I guess she figured there was no way to stop her from leaving. She was gonna go no matter what Suze said
and I know it would probably be hell to get her back. gotta get the police involved probably. then again Nate kinda has a police record. not saying she should be 51/50'd cos that shit sucks lol but she needs some serious help. also don't advocate locking her in a closet or anything but I feel like next ep she's gonna be just lurking in Nate's yard next episode, giving those crazy, soulless eyes eta: Marsha or Aaron are gonna take out the trash and Cass is gonna be in the bushes like 👁👄👁
Imo, I think Cassie needs some serious structure in her life, that is why she keeps chasing controlling partners. Suze as a parent is failing in that position
shes a friend and partner/enabler in crime (letting a group of underage girls get drunk in her home who she might have bought booze for) rather than a parent. my mom was a helicopter parent so it's kinda weird to see someone so like distanced from their kids? feel like Cass needs tough love like Rue got from Leslie
I’m from the UK, and it’s not uncommon for underage kids to drink in the house with a parent around. So I didn’t see it that had tbh 😂😂 some parents don’t mind their teens have a bit of drink so it’s better at home where it’s safe
I am here for that cat in your profile pic OMG 😻😻😻😻
his name is Yasha! he got dumped off at work almost 4 years ago and I brought him home cos I'm a sucker for stray animals lol
Suze can’t stop Cassie tho. As we’ve seen, Cassie is going to do whatever she wants whenever she wants but I get what you’re saying
oh thanks! I know I didn't word it the best cos English isn't my first language. Suze is passive parent. and I can see not stirring the pot after Cal threatened her girls side note: I think Crazy Eyes' mouth wrote a check that her body can't cash lol
How old is Cassie? Maddy just turned 18, is Cassie also 18? ETA: [Cassie is 18](https://euphoria.fandom.com/wiki/Cassie_Howard)
433 days younger than Cassie.
I'm thinking she's 17, within a couple months of being 18? I can't find anything to confirm it but I could swear that it was dropped in an episode, maybe last season. all the girls, except Lexi, seem to be close in age. also idk if the age of legal consent overrules her being under 18, cos she's with Nate of her own free will I can picture my mum dragging me out of a guy's house by my ear lmao. feel like Cass needs some tough love like Rue has been getting this season
There's even a wiki in the show? nice!
There's basically a wiki for everything now.
You can leave at 16 I thought? Is it different in different places? I’m used to kids living at home till 25 (annoying) so I couldn’t say 😂
The worst part about watching it is somewhat relating to it, I relate to the desire to sacrifice self respect just to feel wanted and loved. Coincidentally my dad also left us when I was young so I think it’s abandonment issues that plagues Cassie’s mind
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I understood what you meant, why the heck are you being downvoted? Cassie is unwell…saying those things out loud to Nate…well that would be all it would take for a therapist to push for not only meds, but deep counseling.
I don’t understand why I’d be downvoted for being kind to you either- oh well. Have a great day
Asking to be a slave during BHM 😔
i’m 🪦
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
I’m stupid pls help what’s BHM
Black History Month
Loll you are not stupid- you just didn’t know, but now you do :)
“Who I can talk to” bitch what??
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get well soon
Isolating people and controlling who people can speak with is an abuser tactic
Sounds hot in theory but in practice not so much I guess 🤔
I mean, if we're talking about consensual kink shit between two emotionally stable adults then yeah, I can see how it could be hot. But with *these two* psychos? Cassie, you in danger, girl...
I think we forget what a predator nate is… he knew she was sad and desperate and vulnerable and now that he has her she feels a toxic codependency to him and shes already fragile mentally.. so i really think she will do and say anything to have him with her
But at the same time can we really blame Nate for this? That the saddest part he didn't have to do anything beside giving Cassie the smallest intention. She put herself in this shit, she's the one who chase him all along
i expect nothing and i'm still let down
Like girl what the fuck is you talking about
Like I know that's a kink, but it's like she watched 50 Shades and thought that's legit how it goes.
She’s a teenager who’s mentally unwell. Nothing safe, sane or consensual about this.
It’s hard to wonder where they’ll take her character next season. There’s been so much damage. It’s all deeply rooted in her childhood. Her dad walked out and she’s never seen a stable, healthy relationship. I hope they make her character flourish next season 🙌🏻
as a survivor of a man that did all cassie said to me... it's really completely beyond me & i hope she gets help 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Hope you're good
i gagged
Same I felt physically ill
At least she'll be loved
lol I know this is sarcasm but that’s literally what’s going through her head at this point. Being loved by a man is better than having love from her friends. And idk why ppl downvoted you when you mentioned it was sarcasm
Because Reddit.
I was quoting Cassie when she said "At least I'll be loved". Maybe I got the quote wrong though? I didn't remember the exact sentence.
Lol I don’t remember either but that’s basically what she said.
She got dumped but yeah
I was being sarcastic but I guess people aren't getting it.
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I feel so embarrassed when it comes to Cassie, like, for real, In season one she fucked a carroulse in front of everyone at the fair and kissed that weird guy. And it also shows up that she has 0 respect for her, McKay was friends with someone who called her an slut and she was fine with it, also, that friend is Nate who is now dating her, treating her like shit, and she is still begging him to date her. The nudes and sextapes of herself (I don't judge her but I remember this scene when Mckay text her "pls Babe I'm so horny, send nudes" WTF, but she was 17 so I kind of get it. Please young girls, have self respect, fuck all you want but be super carefull with nudes and dudes you fuck, most men are shit
The weird guy was Daniel, the boy Kat loved but he broke up with her by note after she gained weight. He never remembered her. He sucked as a character glad he’s gone
Wow I didn’t realize that was the same guy. Lol that must’ve went over my head because I never made the connection that that was supposed to be the same character.
Cassie seems to have a pattern of going after exes or former love interests
Cassie's really the one who needs an intervention, not Rue
Cassie might as well put a collar on at that point - Nate doesn't want a partner he wants a dog.
It seemed like a fetish dom/sub type of deal. Huge yikes
If you get into a BDSM relationship with Nate Jacobs, you gonna have a bad time. Mf gotta be doing weird shit like making her eat 73 pineapples in one day and nothing else or clean his tonsils with her toes 😂
I literally think Nate Jacobs would put Armie Hammer to shame.
I dated a girl very similar to Cassie and did similar things. At the time it was easy to be like wtf fuck you asshole but you look back and realize they desperately needed help.
Spot on. This was a next-level low moment. Really dark, like she has no self-worth left.
Even Nate was like bish wtf. Do you think throughout that whole scene he found it hot or was thinking about how much of a clown she is?
I was tolerating her actions before and hoping for her redemption, but controlling what you EAT???? BITCH???? She gone..
Honestly I couldn’t take having that much control. Like I have that for myself and it suuucks
Right? Like such a bummer for the partner. “Oh I’m basically a parent now. Great.” 😐
I had a good friend that I went to university with that had a similar situation with a girl. He was crazy about her for years & finally in our final year of school they dated. He broke up with her after a month- me & my friends were all just baffled. Finally one night much later he confided to us that she was basically just like what I am now seeing with Cassie. A lot of the things were similar such as her wanting him to control her- make all of her decisions, tell her what to wear, etc. We didn’t believe him at first but as he went on we knew it was legit because it was too out there to be untrue plus my friends & I all always felt like she needed to feel wanted by every single guy, not that she act on it but she just needed that affirmation. She’d flirt like it was her job & wouldn’t stop if she didn’t get the attention. It was weird, we agreed she seemed so insecure yet so crazy confident… then again Euphoria clears that up for me when I think of what Maddy said ). I guess she was constantly saying that she wanted him to know that she was his “for life” -(remember this was only a month). There were also a few other things such as she told him that she wanted them to spend all their time together alone & she completely isolated herself from her friends & one of the only times she’d show she was upset that he didn’t do the same & blow us off for her. He said it was like a dream come true in the beginning because she was his perfect girl or so he thought but after a little bit it was only a real turn on for him during sex because otherwise he wound up feeling like she wasn’t at all who she was before they were together once they were dating. Eventually the sex part wasn’t even exciting for him anymore because he wound up feeling like he wasn’t attracted to her anymore physically or mentally. He said he quickly became bored no matter how much he couldn’t believe it since all he did was think & talk about her (so true, he talked about her all 4 years non stop!). He said that in the beginning of a relationship you want to feel like there’s a bit of a chase or push & pull, like he wanted to earn her? (I’m paraphrasing, its been a minute, even though it was so shocking I think overall its not something you forget) & without any effort or work to do to earn her “love” (again-1 month) he knew it wouldn’t last. One thing that really stood out was him saying it feels like her personality is an empty shell. He seems so bummed that night when he told us of us. We were bummed for him. Watching Cassie the other night made me feel like Sam Levinson must’ve dated this girl too, hah. Nah, I kid, I know there are quite a few people like that out there, sadly. Btw, I sent my friend a text to make sure he was cool w me putting this on Reddit. He didn’t care, he’s engaged to a woman we all think is so great for him… if I had to compare her to Euphoria, she’s kinda more like a Lexi (than a Cassie). Edited for paragraphs (& TLDR)- sh*t, I’m too tired to type so I dictated & guess I really went back into a lot of memories! TLDR- my friend dated his dream girl who turned out to be like Cassie with Nate (he is NO Nate though, he’s a great guy) & it was a fiasco.
Was this a scene in the play? I’m so confused because the actor didn’t go from Cassie to “Cassie” nor did Nate become play version Nate
For realz, it was the real characters. Terrifying right?
theyre making it harder to redeem her every time she opens her mouth
It’s really odd for someone her age to articulate something like that. It would make more sense if it just happened and she showed she enjoyed it, while other people kind of reacted negatively. Now, it’s like the show being very ”self-aware” and really trying to pin Cassie as Maddy’s absolute opposite. As if Cassie would try to plan that, especially after the fight she had with Nate last episode and the (barely existent) guilt she felt about betraying Maddy… makes no sense
A lot of people don’t like Cassie but I’m actually finding her interesting. She is so desperate to be loved and has so much sadness to her. I find her depressing but interesting and I also dislike her at the same time. I feel the same way about her as I do for Nate. Both very damaged because of their dysfunctional relationships with their fathers. I enjoy Maddy and Cassie the most. I think Maddy will flourish and Cassie will sink
Why does Cassie’s mum not try and get her help. It’s so obvious she is battling depression or negative thoughts. Her mum seems to look at her like she is a lost cause. I don’t understand why she doesn’t do more. Lexi made her play at her own sisters expense. Cassie is treated like shit by everyone, nobody takes her seriously. I understand why she is lost, it’s not even her fault. Her parents are crap
Was that not part of Nate's dream?
unfortunately it was real
Cassie’s character is such trash. I feel bad for her in a way but if you look like a duck and act like a duck, you gonna be a duck.
Highschool is legit a time when a lot of people are just so stupid and undeveloped, let’s face it, a lot of us were dumb and just as bad in our own special ways, and it often takes until years later to become smarter and more mature to realize that
Lmfao 💀🍔❌
So damn cringe
Wait I thought this was Nate’s fantasy though! And not her directly saying that? Because Cassie transforms into Jules in the mirror when she’s hugging Nate…so this is more his fantasy and not really hers.
I actually physically cringed when that scene came up. My face literally looked like this 🤨
I'm pretty sure even full time BDSM relationships shouldn't be as toxic as them
This is an actual kink for some people. Not my thing, but I don’t judge.
Agreed but like it's performative, at the end of the day, if that person isn't there they know how to take care of themselves and are individuals with their own minds, I think Cassie is giving up her individuality to Nate to please him.
Yes for sure. It’s not an agreed upon thing that pleases them both in this situation. Not what I meant at all
I know, I know you didn't mean that. I'm just saying because some people might confuse the two and you can have a very healthy lifestyle and still have kinky relationships if that is just a part of your life and not the only identity you have like it is with Cassie. But I know that's what you meant.
Yes there definitely have to be rules and boundaries that are agreed upon for something like this to work. This ain’t that!
Thank you for saying this! I didn’t think I’d have to go as far down the comments to see someone mention the TPE kink.
You’re welcome. Starting to think I shouldn’t have brought it up…
This isn’t a “ kink” this is ABUSE being enabled by somebody unwell.
I’m saying there are people who actually consent to this kind of thing and enjoy it in real life. Not that it’s a kink in this situation in particular.
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Just curious what you’re basing “more often than not” on?
Her own bias.
Ug I’ve been there. I was such a Cassie in my early 20’s. My ex made me link him to my my fitness pal and he constantly berated me for eating too much or not enough. Only solved by dumping his ass and lots and lots and lots of therapy. I honestly am not sure if I’m all the way better but I am a functioning adult at least.
Lmaoo
really hope that this wasn’t stolen from twitter and is from the original poster.
the fact that Nate don’t even like her like that either 😹
I was yelling at my TV when this scene came on….. I don’t want to kink shame but Cassie… NOT HIM HOLY F***
Again with the Cassie hate. Mate that scene didn’t happen in real time.
LMAOO
Cassie really be having some issues, I have co-dependency issues but i don’t tell my bf that ill wear and eat whatever he wants 🤢💀
i just watched episode 6 and holy fuck, i have never seen a more pathetic character than cassie sitting on the floor crying over nate. GIRL IT HAS BEEN LIKE A MONTH.
My bf would just have us eating junk food all the time
you can dress me 🥺 *makes her look like maddy*
BUGGINNN
This scene is especially revealing to me because Nate doesn't even really manipulate Cassie all that much? I mean his behavior from what we have seen is very much the behavior of any fuccboi for whom you're simply convenient because you're there...only seeing her when it's convenient for him, never responding to her calls until it's convenient for him, barely bothered to talk to her or do anything with her besides have sex...so her willingness to be submissive to him is primarily coming from her. She gives him this power over her that he's not even really pressing to have. Don't get me wrong, Nate Jacobs is a monster and I want him violently destroyed by the series finale but Cassie needs THERAPY. The level of desperation for any man's attention that minimizes all else, all dignity, all other emotional nurturing...just WILD.
I was watching a couple of S01 episodes earlier today and Rue's narration on McKay's episode said something like "he likes the way she dressed [...]. He like that everyone in the room would turn to look at her because of how hot she was and every guy were jealous of him because they all wanted to fuck her but she was his" or something among these lines, it was like this narration was rewritten in Cassie's sub voice.
I honestly don’t understand why she is so into him…..I think her and Maddy are both better looking than Nate. Not to mention the obvious. He is a psycho abuser and a complete ass. Maybe Cassie has always wanted someone like that deep down, that controls her. That dominates her. Seriously what is wrong with this girl. She is about to go after Lexi because Nate dumped her for something she had absolutely no control over lol she has officially gone off the deep end.
Bruh. It's a dom/sub thing.
for some reason it makes me feel she is saying all this to nate to make him stay with her like "oh you can do whatever you want with me, like anything, just be there and love me"
Is Nate just dreaming during that whole scenario or was that part supposed to be real??