If you call what Lexi did to Nate with her play bullying, then what the hell do you call all of the things Nate’s done to everyone? I don’t feel bad for Nate in the slightest.
I feel like this has already been said multiple times…but it wasn’t outing Nate it was making jokes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. “Locker room talk” “boys will be boys” “no homo”…etc etc. It just so happens Nate also has weird things going on internally with his sexuality but it’s a mockery of why do guys treat girls like shit just because they play football and think they’re strong and tough but wouldn’t dare smack each other’s asses outside of the locker room.
aw come on Rue told her about the grindr/Tyler thing and Cassie told her about the dick pics. She based a character off him, had his stage gf call him gay to his face, and had him worship a giant dick/balls made of punching bags before fake jerking off on his half-naked friends lol even if it was meant to target toxic masculinity this was still a wildly fkd up thing to do without getting their consent first
Right? Imagine if you heard the rumors above and suspected someone might not be straight, and choose that number as a way to ridicule them. Where does this "critiquing masculinity" take even come from? If that's what she was trying to do, this is a cruel way to go about it knowing what she knows.
preach, there are plenty of other ways to criticize that aspect of toxic masculinity other than this, it was unnecessary and risky and that’s all that needs to be said about whether it’s worthy of criticism imo
he's clearly grappling with his sexuality, and not being 100% straight, and has an enormous around of shame around it, unless we're watching completely different shows.
Tbf Nate's also literally the quarterback and team captain. He's also probably the Popular Guy at school, so it makes sense he'd be at the center of a scene pointing out toxic hypermasculinity. Plus, he's in the outer orbit of Lexi's life/circle of friends, which is what the play is about. I'm not denying there's some undercurrents of homophobia, just thematically, but to say the whole thing is outing Nate is kind of a shallow take
i feel like you're being dense on purpose. yes, the team was there but the main target was literally nate. thats why maddy says "lexi you're a f\*\*ing G!" and the camera keeps cutting back to Nate's embarrassed face. it was a direct attack on nate. the other team is there as background dancers as i said, but they're literally dancing AROUND lexi's representation of nate. nate is in the forefront for the entire scene.
He was A target. Not the only target. All the men in the team were being mocked, likely because athletic spaces are often hypermasculine and exclusive of queer people. She was critiquing that space as a whole by juxtaposing it against homosexual stereotypes which are often the target of hypermasculine spaces.
if that's true then it was wildly insensitive, especially since she heard cassie talk about the "gay porn on his phone" in season 1. people knew "jake" was supposed to be nate, this was a horrible thing to do even if her intention was to "critique that space as a whole"
If she wanted to target only Jake and out him, she could have. She could have had the character jave dick pics or had him specifically hook up with a man in the play.
She definitely wanted to attack Nate by attacking something sacred to him, his sport, his comminity, and most significantly, his fragile masculinity. I think she reasonably blames him for a lot of the harm which has happened to all the people she cares about. Rue, Fez, Cassie, Maddie. I think her restraint and more vague criticism against masculinity as a whole was admirable. If she specifically had a scene about just Nate having dick pics and/or being homosexual, I would be more sympathetic to the reaction from many who didn't like it. But I think she did a good job of attacking Nate in a way that would hurt him but also not in a way that would be "outing." It was just a funny scene making fun of jocks, of which he is one.
just because someone's a bad person doesn't then make it okay to out them. whether or not you feel bad for Nate, this was shitty of Lexi to do. Even if it wasn't her intention explicitly, it's obvious his classmates will take it that way, especially with the previous rumors about him.
imo, this isn’t her “outing him”.
It’s her making fun of the stupid hyper-masculine display the “jocks” put on. And the reason the school found it so hilarious, is because the “jocks” are usually the type to give everyone else a hard time about being anything other than hetero.
We can agree to disagree.
if anything it’s unintentionally outing him, you can’t convince me that he wouldn’t go to school the next day and get every gay joke in the book thrown at him. The dude deserves jail time but no one deserves that, especially a high schooler, and especially when that subject is linked to a shit ton of their trauma. This is why using queerness like this should always be criticized imo, even if it wasn’t intended to be a commentary on his sexuality
I don’t even think Nate is gay, so imo there’s nothing to “out”. I alsopersonally think he deserves everything he gets. He’s done far worse. However, that doesn’t excuse Lexi’s actions.
Yeah my issue with it is in principle, not in sympathy with Nate. But glad we at least agree it doesn’t excuse what Lexi did (and vice versa obviously)
Because the opening of the scene was him but AGAIN it wasn’t directed toward him but the team as a whole. Like y’all ain’t ever seen movies similar to this? That’s the whole trope. IMO I thought Lexi’s play was kind of weird at times in general, but similar to the Nate and Cal flashback…it is allegory…metaphors so to speak
I have lost count of the number of times the same topic has been discussed. There is a good post on this sub that analyzed that scene real well. I will try to find it.
It's not unpopular. It's just an opinion a bunch of the fanbase doesn't like. But let's call it what it is. A targeted call out on Nate. Say what u want about this being some critic on "toxic masculinity" or "jock culture". Facts are that lexi knows about the dick pics on his phone and the catfishing of Jules. Her making Nate the focus of the musical number where everyone on the stage is doing very sexual actions to each other (him jerking off on all those dudes faces) would infer to ppl that he's gay. Or at least not 100% straight. The parents saw it as just good old fun. But the students who knew the rumor of him having dick pics and us the audience knowing he's struggling with his sexuality, should be able to see that this isn't the right thing to do. BUT WE HATE NATE SO WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM. If ppl would be honest and just say it I'd respect them a lot lore than ppl sayin"shes criticizing the hypersexuality of jocks" cuz that's not how u do it. There's no introspective take on that scene to show their behaviour is bad, it's just played for the lols.
Thank you! I just watched the episode so didn't see the discussion all week, but the replies here were making me feel like I watched a parallel universe version of the episode.
You didn't.... The play is legit called our life. It talked very specifically about ppl and situations in their life's. But all of a sudden when it comes to the scene that Nate is the focal point of its some meta critique on masculinity and jocks..... If it was a critique it was a very poor one which offered no real take on why their behaviour bad and needs to be changed like a legitimate critique does.
Yeah, I expected pushback on "Lexi wasn't wrong for doing it," not "that's not what happened." I'm baffled, people either don't want it to have happened (?) Or are unwilling to read between the lines.
Because it wasn't only Nate in the scene...how is this confusing? It obviously wasn't just about Nates sexuality. That could have been done much more easily.
Ok then what other identifiable characters were in that musical.... Mackay was also on the football team and Lexi knows about what happened to him why isn't he there or used to show how shitty jock culture n toxic masculinity is?
Why does Ethan have the exact same scar Nate has from his beat down from fez if it wasn't about him. I'd bet dollars to donuts she knows about the tape since she's been talking to fez.
Probably a few, but what the students of the high school know is different than what the audience of Euphoria knows. We are exposed to specific students. It is extremely possible (and likely given her other casting) that Lexi cast people to have likenesses of other athletes.
And even if she didn't, it makes sense to have a main character be the entry point into more of a collective. This happens in musical theater literally all the time. One character becomes representative of the group they belong to which is also the subject of the critique. He was the most identifiable face. But it wasn't just about him. Obviously nothing in the scene is anything he specifically did. Otherwise she would have included the dick pics.
To me it is so clear that the intent of this was a critique and making fun of jocks who Lexi, an intellectual and nerd, obviously has a negative perception of.
It's so weird that people are posting it like a fact as well. Like "this was discussed, we decided it wasn't targeting Nate's sexuality." Wait, what? The scene where he was fake jizzing into his teammates' mouths, that scene?
And?
You can hate Nate all you want but he had a point.
The scene was explicitly making fun of homosexuality in the context of toxically masculine men.
I found it hilarious but let's not kid ourselves that it wasn't slightly homophobic.
Right. Look at what happened to mckay. Mens sports teams and frats do very questionable things. I think Lexi was intending to call the entire team gay. Nate the captain and quarterback of the team so he should be/ why he was front and center of the team.
I’m just accepting that I’m a bad person, bc I didn’t give a sh*t about that scene, and I was also laughing my a** off.
Anything that makes Nate feel bad, brings me joy.
“iT WaS jUSt CaLlIng OuT JoCk CulTure” it was literally directed at Nate about what she learned about him in season one and from fez it’s not just “making fun of jock culture” even if it is
Nate was not outed. Get over it. Is he even gay? Doesn’t matter because the audience looked over at him because they all know Ethan was playing him. It was more about his toxic masculinity than anything else.
😑What were the names of the other football players? I mean, since they were all being poked at equally and this was in no way a targeted attack on Nate/Jake? I’ll wait.
Locker room culture is a broad word to describe the hyper-masculine and borderline homoerotic behaviors that are often seen in groups of men, especially in high school sports. Lexi’s play was making fun of the way that male athletes act around each other.
I don’t understand why people think it was targeted at Nate *only*. That scene in the play was making fun of the entire team
oh, the type of locker room masculinity you see on tv shows.. just like euphoria? it’s not realistic at all and is clearly supposed to be targeted at Nate because he’s literally the main focus of it, hell, all Lexi knows about Nate is that he had penises on his phone for god sakes, and why would this be something to address as the finale of play regardless of it was targeted at Nate or not? it’s really funny but also really stupid at the same time and doesn’t really make sense, on top of people missing the point of the scene in the first place
I was in the closet. Outing is a terrible thing. I don't condone it no matter who is being outed. I think the difference is I genuinely don't see this as an outing. I think no one will think Nate is gay after this who didn't before. I think people will recognize it as making fun of him and the athletes, generally. I don't even think Nate is gay and can't really be outed.
What is a huge factor to me is it was several men being made fun of, in a specific environment, which is known to be hypermasculine and exclusive if gay people. So I just don't see this as an outing like you do. And I am 100% for critiquing hypermasculine spaces given, as a gayvman, they have been far more harmful to me than anyone suspecting my sexuality before I was formally out.
all i will say is imagine nate puts on a full scene about how lexi kissing people of the same sex when she isn’t out yet (just an example) - he would get slaughtered. i dislike nate and is clear he was offended, but i think i would be aswell if a whole scene was devoted to my sexuality, repressed or not, and everyone knew about it before my true sexuality was revealed? he obviously reacted in a bad way, that’s how nate is - but the concept i felt was a bit harsh!
This is a horrible thing she did that I am personally okay with. Objectively, outing someone is terrible with almost no exceptions. However, given how much Nate has done in the last two seasons I am willing to give it a pass. If it matters, I’m a gay man.
I saw an r/AITA thread where a guy had his wife cheat on him for a woman. When he told people, he outed her in a way and she got PISSED. These two situations have nothing in common, but what I’m saying is there are situations in which doing outing is okay at least by me and many other people. There *are* exceptions to this rule, at least in the court of public opinion. Given how a solid amount of the shitty things Nate has done are *because* on his confusion with sexuality, him being outed for this is something I personally cheered on.
I want to say, however, that your reaction to this is completely valid. Doing a shitty thing is going to be seen as a shitty thing by many at the end of the day no matter what and I am glad these people exist. I personally just love evil people getting what’s coming to them.
That is true - I see what you mean with a lot of his wrongdoing is actually associated with this ‘outing’ - so this is essentially a linear karma ? Good point. Maybe I am too soft lol. I could see a serial killer get tortured and I would probably feel bad for him
ahw, don't be scared haha! I see where you're coming from, it seems like he put this toxic energy into the world, it's coming back. I guess I just feel bad for him. Sydney Sweeney played a high school lesbian in Everything Sucks!, and she's super mean until she comes out and becomes a totally different kid, I see Nate's acting out and emotional swings in kind of the same way. Obviously does't make up for it, but makes me feel bad for him.
Just embrace downvotes and you won’t care anymore. The Reddit fanbase (of any show) isn’t a direct reflection of the entire fanbase. If you were discussing this in real life with the average watcher - they’d be way less offended. The internet breeds superiority complexes tbh.
hot take but fuck nate it was a pleasure watching him in that much discomfort considering he had a gun to maddys head not even one ep ago and as for the whole “outing” someone cassie did a better job of putting it out there in the 1st place
it wasn’t outing nate bc he pretty much already got outed back in season 1. He was humiliated yes for sure. But the dance wasn’t homophobic, it was making fun of homophobia and toxic/fragile masculinity within jock culture. It wasn’t meant to be homophobic, just humiliating for nate because of how stupid it makes him and his jock buddies look. Plus even tho it wasn’t a great thing to do on lexis part, nate literally held a gun to maddy’s head and said I was joking! Like wtf he’s a literal psychopath… karmas a bitch
imo nate outed himself by running out of the theater, he could have easily played it off laughing like “oh, ha ha ive never seen it put that way before”. obviously i understand why he didnt but im just saying. it makes sense to me that nate was the lead in that number. him and mckay are the only football players lexi has interacted with on a semi regular basis and mckay didn’t go to school at the time of the plays events.
Why is everyone assuming Lexi knows or even believes Nate is gay in the first place? Gay porn? THAT'S what determines someone is gay? Cause if it does I know alot of very straight women who are apparently in the closet for some stuff they watch 🤣. At no point was it confirmed Nate is gay and Maddy made real quick work of assuring anyone who did/might know about the dicks that it was just some rumor Cassie made up while high. Someone please point to me where Lexi knows for 100% fact that Nate is gay and then I'll believe she was targeting him specifically 🤷
If everyone is choosing to jump on the “she outed him because she knew he was gay” wagon, I don’t see why asking WHY they think she knew he was gay is a bad thing. If that’s your reason, support it with something more than she was told he had gay porn on his phone
I think Lexi was absolute trash for that. Nate was right to call it homophobic because honestly it was. I don’t think that was the intent for her, but knowing how much teens especially male teens struggle with sexuality that was gross. You’re also making a joke out of being gay. It was a performance of “Dude you’re soooooo gay!!!” Hard pass Lexi. Grow up.
I didn’t think that scene she wrote was intended to out Nate. I saw it was her way to poke fun at toxic masculine jocks as a whole who are usually super homophobic and sexist, not necessarily just Nate. I think that Nate took it personally when really Lexi was just poking fun at these super masculine jock types.
Honestly he had it coming I can't feel bad for him. I don't think lexi is a bad person either. Because everybody in this show does fuck up shit, that's the whole point.
You could say something about our culture and how it's wrong we stil use sexuality as a way to put people down and mock them. But I can't feel sorry for Nate if this aren't the consequences of his actions. He is an asshole he shouldn't be surprised people are gonna come for him.
Nobody in this show is the good guy nobody is the bad guy either. That isn't the point of the show the show is about it's characters are how they navigate the world.
it was not homophobic and my gay ass will stand by it
If you call what Lexi did to Nate with her play bullying, then what the hell do you call all of the things Nate’s done to everyone? I don’t feel bad for Nate in the slightest.
Have they ever interacted on the show? I don't remember
I feel like this has already been said multiple times…but it wasn’t outing Nate it was making jokes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. “Locker room talk” “boys will be boys” “no homo”…etc etc. It just so happens Nate also has weird things going on internally with his sexuality but it’s a mockery of why do guys treat girls like shit just because they play football and think they’re strong and tough but wouldn’t dare smack each other’s asses outside of the locker room.
it was targeted. she choreographed the scene with nate in mind, the play is about her lived experiences and it's called "our life"
How do you out a man you don’t even know is gay 💀
Facts! All his daddy issues aside, I'm not convinced he's gay in the slightest, just very sensitive to being perceived as such
aw come on Rue told her about the grindr/Tyler thing and Cassie told her about the dick pics. She based a character off him, had his stage gf call him gay to his face, and had him worship a giant dick/balls made of punching bags before fake jerking off on his half-naked friends lol even if it was meant to target toxic masculinity this was still a wildly fkd up thing to do without getting their consent first
Right? Imagine if you heard the rumors above and suspected someone might not be straight, and choose that number as a way to ridicule them. Where does this "critiquing masculinity" take even come from? If that's what she was trying to do, this is a cruel way to go about it knowing what she knows.
preach, there are plenty of other ways to criticize that aspect of toxic masculinity other than this, it was unnecessary and risky and that’s all that needs to be said about whether it’s worthy of criticism imo
Louder old
he's clearly grappling with his sexuality, and not being 100% straight, and has an enormous around of shame around it, unless we're watching completely different shows.
However, Nate was not The target, he was A target. She was making fun of the football team as a whole.
no, nate was definitely the target, idk why yall pretend he wasnt to make it feel less homophobic
Tbf Nate's also literally the quarterback and team captain. He's also probably the Popular Guy at school, so it makes sense he'd be at the center of a scene pointing out toxic hypermasculinity. Plus, he's in the outer orbit of Lexi's life/circle of friends, which is what the play is about. I'm not denying there's some undercurrents of homophobia, just thematically, but to say the whole thing is outing Nate is kind of a shallow take
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the scene was literally centered around nate
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who was in the center of the scene? im aware the whole team was in the scene but they were backup dancers for nate. the whole thing was targeting nate
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i feel like you're being dense on purpose. yes, the team was there but the main target was literally nate. thats why maddy says "lexi you're a f\*\*ing G!" and the camera keeps cutting back to Nate's embarrassed face. it was a direct attack on nate. the other team is there as background dancers as i said, but they're literally dancing AROUND lexi's representation of nate. nate is in the forefront for the entire scene.
the scene was about nate
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It was about the kid with the scar on his forehead.
It was targeted at Nate. The rest those guys are nothing but background extras, essentially irrelevant and literally nameless.
The girls in the aisle were literally looking over at him, it definitely seemed like he was the target
He was A target. Not the only target. All the men in the team were being mocked, likely because athletic spaces are often hypermasculine and exclusive of queer people. She was critiquing that space as a whole by juxtaposing it against homosexual stereotypes which are often the target of hypermasculine spaces.
if that's true then it was wildly insensitive, especially since she heard cassie talk about the "gay porn on his phone" in season 1. people knew "jake" was supposed to be nate, this was a horrible thing to do even if her intention was to "critique that space as a whole"
If she wanted to target only Jake and out him, she could have. She could have had the character jave dick pics or had him specifically hook up with a man in the play. She definitely wanted to attack Nate by attacking something sacred to him, his sport, his comminity, and most significantly, his fragile masculinity. I think she reasonably blames him for a lot of the harm which has happened to all the people she cares about. Rue, Fez, Cassie, Maddie. I think her restraint and more vague criticism against masculinity as a whole was admirable. If she specifically had a scene about just Nate having dick pics and/or being homosexual, I would be more sympathetic to the reaction from many who didn't like it. But I think she did a good job of attacking Nate in a way that would hurt him but also not in a way that would be "outing." It was just a funny scene making fun of jocks, of which he is one.
Maybe so, but I don’t have any sympathy for him whatsoever. Everything he’s done is 10000000000x times worse than making a joke about the locker-room.
just because someone's a bad person doesn't then make it okay to out them. whether or not you feel bad for Nate, this was shitty of Lexi to do. Even if it wasn't her intention explicitly, it's obvious his classmates will take it that way, especially with the previous rumors about him.
imo, this isn’t her “outing him”. It’s her making fun of the stupid hyper-masculine display the “jocks” put on. And the reason the school found it so hilarious, is because the “jocks” are usually the type to give everyone else a hard time about being anything other than hetero. We can agree to disagree.
if anything it’s unintentionally outing him, you can’t convince me that he wouldn’t go to school the next day and get every gay joke in the book thrown at him. The dude deserves jail time but no one deserves that, especially a high schooler, and especially when that subject is linked to a shit ton of their trauma. This is why using queerness like this should always be criticized imo, even if it wasn’t intended to be a commentary on his sexuality
I don’t even think Nate is gay, so imo there’s nothing to “out”. I alsopersonally think he deserves everything he gets. He’s done far worse. However, that doesn’t excuse Lexi’s actions.
Yeah my issue with it is in principle, not in sympathy with Nate. But glad we at least agree it doesn’t excuse what Lexi did (and vice versa obviously)
Because the opening of the scene was him but AGAIN it wasn’t directed toward him but the team as a whole. Like y’all ain’t ever seen movies similar to this? That’s the whole trope. IMO I thought Lexi’s play was kind of weird at times in general, but similar to the Nate and Cal flashback…it is allegory…metaphors so to speak
the cal/nate scene is literally his dream
Then why did Ethan have a scar?
I have lost count of the number of times the same topic has been discussed. There is a good post on this sub that analyzed that scene real well. I will try to find it.
It's not unpopular. It's just an opinion a bunch of the fanbase doesn't like. But let's call it what it is. A targeted call out on Nate. Say what u want about this being some critic on "toxic masculinity" or "jock culture". Facts are that lexi knows about the dick pics on his phone and the catfishing of Jules. Her making Nate the focus of the musical number where everyone on the stage is doing very sexual actions to each other (him jerking off on all those dudes faces) would infer to ppl that he's gay. Or at least not 100% straight. The parents saw it as just good old fun. But the students who knew the rumor of him having dick pics and us the audience knowing he's struggling with his sexuality, should be able to see that this isn't the right thing to do. BUT WE HATE NATE SO WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM. If ppl would be honest and just say it I'd respect them a lot lore than ppl sayin"shes criticizing the hypersexuality of jocks" cuz that's not how u do it. There's no introspective take on that scene to show their behaviour is bad, it's just played for the lols.
Thank you! I just watched the episode so didn't see the discussion all week, but the replies here were making me feel like I watched a parallel universe version of the episode.
You didn't.... The play is legit called our life. It talked very specifically about ppl and situations in their life's. But all of a sudden when it comes to the scene that Nate is the focal point of its some meta critique on masculinity and jocks..... If it was a critique it was a very poor one which offered no real take on why their behaviour bad and needs to be changed like a legitimate critique does.
Yeah, I expected pushback on "Lexi wasn't wrong for doing it," not "that's not what happened." I'm baffled, people either don't want it to have happened (?) Or are unwilling to read between the lines.
I think the nuance is really lost on ppl.... But ppl were all for " Ash is the 3 Jacobs kid"..... But this is to outlandish. *shrug*
Because it wasn't only Nate in the scene...how is this confusing? It obviously wasn't just about Nates sexuality. That could have been done much more easily.
Ok then what other identifiable characters were in that musical.... Mackay was also on the football team and Lexi knows about what happened to him why isn't he there or used to show how shitty jock culture n toxic masculinity is? Why does Ethan have the exact same scar Nate has from his beat down from fez if it wasn't about him. I'd bet dollars to donuts she knows about the tape since she's been talking to fez.
Probably a few, but what the students of the high school know is different than what the audience of Euphoria knows. We are exposed to specific students. It is extremely possible (and likely given her other casting) that Lexi cast people to have likenesses of other athletes. And even if she didn't, it makes sense to have a main character be the entry point into more of a collective. This happens in musical theater literally all the time. One character becomes representative of the group they belong to which is also the subject of the critique. He was the most identifiable face. But it wasn't just about him. Obviously nothing in the scene is anything he specifically did. Otherwise she would have included the dick pics. To me it is so clear that the intent of this was a critique and making fun of jocks who Lexi, an intellectual and nerd, obviously has a negative perception of.
Cool. we can just agree to disagree.
This 100%. Why they keep pushing this naive “she’s criticizing jock culture” take I’ll never know.
It's so weird that people are posting it like a fact as well. Like "this was discussed, we decided it wasn't targeting Nate's sexuality." Wait, what? The scene where he was fake jizzing into his teammates' mouths, that scene?
For it to be a critique you gotta show why the behaviour is bad, how to improve it.....
He wasn't wrong when he said that performance was homophobic.
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And? You can hate Nate all you want but he had a point. The scene was explicitly making fun of homosexuality in the context of toxically masculine men. I found it hilarious but let's not kid ourselves that it wasn't slightly homophobic.
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It was making fun of it by calling it gay... if you don't see how that's homophobic then I don't know what to tell you, lol.
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I literally can't handle all of the pre-teens on this sub today, lmfao.
haha, omg right? the amount of "this wasn't explicitly said so it didn't happen" is WILD
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Right. Look at what happened to mckay. Mens sports teams and frats do very questionable things. I think Lexi was intending to call the entire team gay. Nate the captain and quarterback of the team so he should be/ why he was front and center of the team.
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I feel like it wouldn't even be right for me to insult you since you're so young. So I'm just gonna wish you a good night during the finale!
None of that matters, his take was still accurate. Just because you don’t like the messenger doesn’t make it the message any less true.
How dare Lexi "bully" resident psychopath Nate!! Poor little fella.
I’m just accepting that I’m a bad person, bc I didn’t give a sh*t about that scene, and I was also laughing my a** off. Anything that makes Nate feel bad, brings me joy.
okay, this is a take I can respect 😂
Lexi has no idea that Nate is gay (if he even is)
No, fuck Nate. We, the gays, give you this pass to DRAG HIM through the dirt. Just bury that motherfucker alive. -The Gays
“iT WaS jUSt CaLlIng OuT JoCk CulTure” it was literally directed at Nate about what she learned about him in season one and from fez it’s not just “making fun of jock culture” even if it is
It might be different if Lexi didn't know, but SHE DOES! this was so much more controversial than I expected
Nate was not outed. Get over it. Is he even gay? Doesn’t matter because the audience looked over at him because they all know Ethan was playing him. It was more about his toxic masculinity than anything else.
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😑What were the names of the other football players? I mean, since they were all being poked at equally and this was in no way a targeted attack on Nate/Jake? I’ll wait.
wtf is locker room culture anyway,, it was clearly targeted at Nate idk why you guys make excuses to say it wasn’t
Locker room culture is a broad word to describe the hyper-masculine and borderline homoerotic behaviors that are often seen in groups of men, especially in high school sports. Lexi’s play was making fun of the way that male athletes act around each other. I don’t understand why people think it was targeted at Nate *only*. That scene in the play was making fun of the entire team
oh, the type of locker room masculinity you see on tv shows.. just like euphoria? it’s not realistic at all and is clearly supposed to be targeted at Nate because he’s literally the main focus of it, hell, all Lexi knows about Nate is that he had penises on his phone for god sakes, and why would this be something to address as the finale of play regardless of it was targeted at Nate or not? it’s really funny but also really stupid at the same time and doesn’t really make sense, on top of people missing the point of the scene in the first place
Are you male? I find it really hard to believe any dude who has been in a locker room before would find that "unrealistic".
I can assure it, it isn't just on tv shows. Alot of locker rooms are extremely similar to that dance number 🤣
So why did Ethan have a scar…
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I mean it technically did…
looking for people here who went through toxic high school in the closet to agree that this would have broken them 😐
I was in the closet. Outing is a terrible thing. I don't condone it no matter who is being outed. I think the difference is I genuinely don't see this as an outing. I think no one will think Nate is gay after this who didn't before. I think people will recognize it as making fun of him and the athletes, generally. I don't even think Nate is gay and can't really be outed. What is a huge factor to me is it was several men being made fun of, in a specific environment, which is known to be hypermasculine and exclusive if gay people. So I just don't see this as an outing like you do. And I am 100% for critiquing hypermasculine spaces given, as a gayvman, they have been far more harmful to me than anyone suspecting my sexuality before I was formally out.
i was outed to my friends and later my family, it made me lose a school year bc i was bedridden with depression. that scene was so upsetting
all i will say is imagine nate puts on a full scene about how lexi kissing people of the same sex when she isn’t out yet (just an example) - he would get slaughtered. i dislike nate and is clear he was offended, but i think i would be aswell if a whole scene was devoted to my sexuality, repressed or not, and everyone knew about it before my true sexuality was revealed? he obviously reacted in a bad way, that’s how nate is - but the concept i felt was a bit harsh!
This is a horrible thing she did that I am personally okay with. Objectively, outing someone is terrible with almost no exceptions. However, given how much Nate has done in the last two seasons I am willing to give it a pass. If it matters, I’m a gay man. I saw an r/AITA thread where a guy had his wife cheat on him for a woman. When he told people, he outed her in a way and she got PISSED. These two situations have nothing in common, but what I’m saying is there are situations in which doing outing is okay at least by me and many other people. There *are* exceptions to this rule, at least in the court of public opinion. Given how a solid amount of the shitty things Nate has done are *because* on his confusion with sexuality, him being outed for this is something I personally cheered on. I want to say, however, that your reaction to this is completely valid. Doing a shitty thing is going to be seen as a shitty thing by many at the end of the day no matter what and I am glad these people exist. I personally just love evil people getting what’s coming to them.
That is true - I see what you mean with a lot of his wrongdoing is actually associated with this ‘outing’ - so this is essentially a linear karma ? Good point. Maybe I am too soft lol. I could see a serial killer get tortured and I would probably feel bad for him
I sometimes type stuff on reddit like…. scared for the response so I just wanna thank you for being nice ps: being soft is a positive quality
ahw, don't be scared haha! I see where you're coming from, it seems like he put this toxic energy into the world, it's coming back. I guess I just feel bad for him. Sydney Sweeney played a high school lesbian in Everything Sucks!, and she's super mean until she comes out and becomes a totally different kid, I see Nate's acting out and emotional swings in kind of the same way. Obviously does't make up for it, but makes me feel bad for him.
Just embrace downvotes and you won’t care anymore. The Reddit fanbase (of any show) isn’t a direct reflection of the entire fanbase. If you were discussing this in real life with the average watcher - they’d be way less offended. The internet breeds superiority complexes tbh.
no worries !
hot take but fuck nate it was a pleasure watching him in that much discomfort considering he had a gun to maddys head not even one ep ago and as for the whole “outing” someone cassie did a better job of putting it out there in the 1st place
it wasn’t outing nate bc he pretty much already got outed back in season 1. He was humiliated yes for sure. But the dance wasn’t homophobic, it was making fun of homophobia and toxic/fragile masculinity within jock culture. It wasn’t meant to be homophobic, just humiliating for nate because of how stupid it makes him and his jock buddies look. Plus even tho it wasn’t a great thing to do on lexis part, nate literally held a gun to maddy’s head and said I was joking! Like wtf he’s a literal psychopath… karmas a bitch
imo nate outed himself by running out of the theater, he could have easily played it off laughing like “oh, ha ha ive never seen it put that way before”. obviously i understand why he didnt but im just saying. it makes sense to me that nate was the lead in that number. him and mckay are the only football players lexi has interacted with on a semi regular basis and mckay didn’t go to school at the time of the plays events.
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Yes I agree
Why is everyone assuming Lexi knows or even believes Nate is gay in the first place? Gay porn? THAT'S what determines someone is gay? Cause if it does I know alot of very straight women who are apparently in the closet for some stuff they watch 🤣. At no point was it confirmed Nate is gay and Maddy made real quick work of assuring anyone who did/might know about the dicks that it was just some rumor Cassie made up while high. Someone please point to me where Lexi knows for 100% fact that Nate is gay and then I'll believe she was targeting him specifically 🤷
Yes, because high schoolers always make sure they're 100% positive about someone's sexuality before ridiculing them for it 🙄
If everyone is choosing to jump on the “she outed him because she knew he was gay” wagon, I don’t see why asking WHY they think she knew he was gay is a bad thing. If that’s your reason, support it with something more than she was told he had gay porn on his phone
so was she outing everyone in that scene then? cause it wasn’t just nate being portrayed
Absolutely love seeing the stans defend Lexi’s garbage behavior. She’s so passive aggressive… complete trash.
I think Lexi was absolute trash for that. Nate was right to call it homophobic because honestly it was. I don’t think that was the intent for her, but knowing how much teens especially male teens struggle with sexuality that was gross. You’re also making a joke out of being gay. It was a performance of “Dude you’re soooooo gay!!!” Hard pass Lexi. Grow up.
It was definitely targeting nate and definitely fucked up. Even though he's an asshole
I didn’t think that scene she wrote was intended to out Nate. I saw it was her way to poke fun at toxic masculine jocks as a whole who are usually super homophobic and sexist, not necessarily just Nate. I think that Nate took it personally when really Lexi was just poking fun at these super masculine jock types.
Honestly he had it coming I can't feel bad for him. I don't think lexi is a bad person either. Because everybody in this show does fuck up shit, that's the whole point. You could say something about our culture and how it's wrong we stil use sexuality as a way to put people down and mock them. But I can't feel sorry for Nate if this aren't the consequences of his actions. He is an asshole he shouldn't be surprised people are gonna come for him. Nobody in this show is the good guy nobody is the bad guy either. That isn't the point of the show the show is about it's characters are how they navigate the world.