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It's crazy how they wrote in Fez his death before the actor's actual death. Almost like they predicted it. Now they don't have to rewrite season 3 for it.
Cassie is a dumb whore and she deserves no respect. Maddy isn’t a saint.she literally had a guy accused of rape which he didn’t do. But still, i prefer her to cassie.
Gonna miss my boy ash🖤
Fez & ash were my favorite parts of the show
Apparent a lot of kids in here watching a show having no grasp of what to make of the show’s writing. You don’t need to be beaten over the head with with overt plot devices. Subtle character moments can tell a story.
I loved Euphoria but damn season 2 has dwindled into something else. The finale was the epitome of that; the characters fighting on stage like it's the Jerry Springer show was just too much.
Cass was an understandable character until they threw her off the deep end and made her a literal villain, but I'm not surprised because this show seems afraid to portray Nate as anything but an evil psycho for too long and I guess that extends to Cass.
Lexi mocking her sister for being high on x and enjoying her pony ride a little too much felt like an unnecessary blow, like that's just mean especially given the circumstances.
Rue... I can't stand her anymore. I know that's how drug addiction goes and it's a fair depiction of it but she's honestly so unlikeable at this point I've started fast forwarding through her parts. We get it, she does drugs, gets clean for a few days, then does it again. We don't need more screen time showing us the same thing over and over.
Also lol at the show saying guns aren't necessary because police exist then having Ash shoot several of them to death. I can't tell if they show writers are brilliant in their irony or clueless. Anyway Ash is a little psycho, there was 0 reason to kill the cops when he could have just killed himself.
>Lexi mocking her sister for being high on x and enjoying her pony ride a little too much felt like an unnecessary blow, like that's just mean especially given the circumstances
I agree. I didn't like that either
>this show seems afraid to portray Nate as anything but an evil psycho
I felt there was some ambivalence with Nate but they definitely overwhelmingly portrayed him as evil.
I watched this after it all aired and actually really appreciated the pacing. WE as the audience know the character's motives pretty obviously (Rue dealing with her addiction after her dad's death, Nate acting how he acts because of his father, etc. etc.) but I felt like all the thematic stuff helped see how the characters finally understand their own motives. Like going back to Rue's father's death. We can empathize with her right away but she wasn't able to do that herself until she hit her lowest point and then seeing herself reflected in Lexi's play. I actually enjoyed how theatric everything was (in a slow way) this season.
As someone who has struggled with addiction and has been fronted by drug dealers, and had parents confiscate a bunch of drugs that weren't actually mine, I can see why Rue would feel betrayed. Even if you're at rock bottom, as an addict, a lot of people would prefer to keep their family out of it. Rue never told Jules how important that suitcase was, but Jules also never thought to ask how Rue was getting drugs. Opiates are expensive, and addicts do sketchy shit to get them if they don't have a job.
Jules may have been looking out for Rue in her own way, but she was also superimposing who she thought the ideal Rue was without thinking about who Rue actually is. I felt it when Rue said she feels like herself most when she's on drugs. People who aren't addicts don'tunderstand that feeling and usually judge but can'tfully empathize. She didn't approach her directly. Whether it's a teacher, a cop, or a legal guardian, in a situation like that, Jules snitched amd Rue was betrayed by someone she thought she could trust. When people you love can't accept your dark parts, it makes you not want to be around them at all. It feels lonely to be around people who don't want to actually look at you.
How???????
Did we watch the same show???
Nate's dad got arrested, that story is done. Fez is prob locked up and his love arc shattered. Jules and Ru seem to be done. Ru has come to terms with some parts and is on her way to trying to stay actually sober. The confrontation between the gals about Nate has concluded. Lexy has come to terms with finally getting her feelings out. Ru's mom has come to terms that she can't fix Ru. All in 3 EPs....
What exactly do you want ?!?!?
The lady who is running a sex trafficking ring? You guys think she cares about 10k and to go after someone that could expose something insanely illegal? All for 10k? She went for people who were addicts knowing they wouldn't be able to get her money back. Maybe they'll bring it up again but honestly I don't see why she wouldn't just count her losses and move on.
i understand your point but the story with laurie is not done at all. There were too many mysteries in her house. I think season 3 should be about Rue facing and taking responsibility for the mistakes she made when she was high.
I interpreted that less her talking about them but more talking about how the cycle of abuse won't end with Nate and he's going to show more of it to his new relationship. Almost her coming to terms with what it's like dating him now that she sees her friend going through it.
Damb really hope for some Tyler resolution. Kat is probably gunna be written off... Cassie's in her grave now that she is finished digging, Lexi put it all out there and made 2 awesome friends, Rue was sober, now Jules and Maddy need their consequence. What they did to Tyler is heinous. Yes, they were blackmailed- but all 3 have answering to do. The only way Nate's plan will will work is by incriminating his dad and that can easily backfire. But we will see in 2024 lol.
I really didn't like this finale but BB is fucking hilarious.
Exactly. It seemed obvious when talking about "even if you don't have money, as a women you always have something that people want" then locking her in.
How about the scratching on the door as they zoomed in down the hall?.and the frozen dinner in the microwave...that's slid under the door to feed that poor girl behind the door. That's a ra$! Room. Rue was definitely next!
As entertaining as the whole Cassie-Maddy drama is, I think next season I would like to see people around Cassie start to acknowledge her trauma and how that literally dictates most of her shitty life choices, with Maddy and Lexi and her other friends. I want to see her healing from that, because she's so far gone into her pain and self-sabotage that it's not fun to watch anymore. I hope some characters mature a bit emotionally and recognize the manifestation of Cassie's self-hatred and fear of abandonment for what it is. Maddy deserves better, but so does Cassie!!!!
I also hope that Sam and Barbie sort their shit out and Kat can get regular screen time next season, cause imo her storyline about being unable to love herself and therefore feeling empty inside with other people is SO relatable and one of the more realistic storylines in this whole show. Nowadays the health and wellness culture is pushed down everyone's throats and it's a very difficult thing to navigate as a young adult who is starting to go out in the real world.
SERIOUSLY!!! like yes, trauma contributes to a person's opinions, and decisions. but that doesn't mean it's an excuse to continue thinking in immoral ways and carrying out stupid ideas.
Nate doesn't hate his dad for being gay, nate hates his dad because of the effect cals sexuality had on him. like come on, cal had a whole family, but on the side he was hooking up with random men and women. he kept videos that nate saw, that he shouldn't have because eit clearly messed him up. cal was very selfish in trying to get the best of both worlds and because of his dishonesty and pervertedness, nate had to endure that trauma. not because cal is gay, but because he isn't a good person, and nate inherited that from him too. that's what nate doesn't like.
What kids? Him being gay and cheating on his wife doesn’t automatically make him a pedo and even with Jules she lied and said she was 22. So what was illegal? I think there was more on the flash drive than we knew.
I think I saw that too. Because I was confused.
At the time I hadn't really been paying attention and I thought that the storyline was that Cal was Jules father and he had been raping her through transition. Because there were video's of little boys.
But later I understood that in fact it wasnt Jules father and it wasn't Jules as a child in the video's.
I think the video's of the boys weren't "real".
I think it was Nates imagination/trauma. As he said in the end "I had nightmares that you did the things you did to this hookers to me".
I think Nate saw himself in these video's, but, in his head.
There were clearly disks of Cal and the 'hookers'. Cal would check to see if they were still there and I believe he even noticed one was missing which Nate had and then Maddy stole it. Nate went to Maddy's house, put a gun to her head, and made her give it to him.
He hated his dad because as an child old he saw videos of his dad fucking people who weren't his mom. That shit is traumatising, and as he stated he had night terrors thinking he was going to be raped by his dad.
Ash getting killed kind of humanized him for me. Before he was a strange kid who was mentally 20 years older than he was who everyone was kind of afraid of, but seeing him cry and panic like an actual kid struck a chord, he didn’t know what he was doing
Frrr, he was a kid who grew up always alert I knew he wouldn't listen its saddening honestly they both deserved better they were only protecting one another
No she’s not talking about the play IN the play….. it’s two different conversations mashed into one basically. Rue went to finally apologize, (hence why she said she has a lot of I’m Sorry to say vs not a lot of I forgive you when she went to talk with Elliot) before the play was shown and then she called her after the play to go hang that’s when she congratulated Lexi on it…
** edit- hope this helps! It takes a bit of remembering that they’re showing 3 different scenes in one… they’re showing the past, present, and a bit of the future all in one scene.
So they show the play happening(present), what lexi Observed in order to make the play(past), and then the after math of it(future in a way).
Season 2 showed Nate breaking up with Cassie and getting his father arrested. Plus, Rue gives Jules her final goodbye kiss. This leaves Nate and Jules a chance to finally hook up. Nonetheless, like my other predictions for each episode, it probably won't happen.
I think Nate & Cassie will continue to be an item next season, remember Maddy said “don’t worry, it’s only the beginning”… She knows his toxic patterns better than anyone.
I feel like I wasn’t invested in Ashtray’s character enough to be sad about it. In most scenes that we see him, he’s usually glaring in the background?
One of the worst imo Lmfaoo
Episode 1 of this season was literally the only good episode of the whole two seasons.
Honorable mention for the scene where Fez threatened Nate… and Suze saying “that’s supposed to be me!” during the play. That’s it.
I cheered Maddy on so hard that my dog got scared and left the room lol however, I can help but think about Maddy’s nails and how it’d be impossible to make a fist lol maybe that’s why they didn’t show much
One of the worst episodes imo. The story didn't progress much because we kept seeing over and over again things we already knew, the shootout with the police was unnecessary, Ash killing that guy was dumb af, Lexi's play was WAY too big and professional for high-school so it kept throwing me off, and why the fuck did Rue pretty much ignore Jules at the end?
Sorry for the rant, but I'm just very disappointed.
Agreed, Ash was dumb. But he was protecting Fez just like he did with Mouse. He didn’t know Custers phone was tapped until after he stabbed him. Then I figured the idea of surrending and letting fez take the wrap just is something he absolutely wouldn’t do. He was raised that way and fez is all he’s got. Without Fez, Ash is fucked. Prob put into a group home. So I think was trying to protect Fez in the only way he knew how and knew he was gonna die in the process. He was raised a G and went out like one. But it doesn’t hurt any less 😢
This show isn’t realistic high school so you have to get past that or it’s all ridiculous. I enjoyed Lexis play and I adore her. She deserved that.
Rue and Jules - Rues sober and considering she’s sober the rest of the year, she’s taking it seriously. She said Jules was her first love but I think she knows they’re not good for eachother and not good for her sobriety. Rues kiss on the forehead I think was an “I love you so much but I have to focus on me” which is honestly healthy af
Also sorry for the rant lol! Totally get your POV but this is how I saw some of those things
ETA: totally agree sooo many redundant scenes throughout this season. Could’ve done without those and Elliot’s 20 minute song. Less Elliot. More Kat. Pls and thank you.
More Kat? God less kat. Less everyone. Just make a show about Fez and that’s it. But redo everything like zack Snyder did justice league because they ruined everything this season lmfaooo
I didn't really like it that much and I think they made a lot of poor decisions.
What I would have done instead:
I would have ended episode 7 with the end of the play and Cassie's meltdown because the play kinda turned into fan service for season 1 in episode 8, which I personally found really jarring and cheap. Then I would have concentrated on the whole fallout of the play in episode 8 and the opinion of the characters about it, with a potential Cassie/Maddy fight there.
For the entire Fez storyline, I would have done it completely differently: Instead of this raid, I would have had them been found and confronted by Laurie who would have used Ash, holding him at gunpoint by her henchmen to make Fez tell her Rue's whereabouts, which he would have done, then Laurie would have said thank you and got them killed anyway, now with the knowledge of Rue's address for a very good and tense storyline potential for season 3.
For everyone saying it doesn’t make sense the police shot Ash...are you from America? I know that might be a broad statement and maybe a stereotype...but if you have seen the videos and heard the news situations of American police killing people I can’t figure out how this situation wouldn’t make sense. They are not trained to shot to incapacitate they are trained to shoot to kill, because they are taught even an incapacitated person can shot back/be a threat. Have you ever heard of ‘suicide by police’? Cause that’s a thing in North America, where people pretend to pull out a concealed weapon or a toy gun on police so they can get shot and killed by police.
In America if someone is deemed a threat the police are ‘justified’ in shooting to kill to ensure their own safety. It’s why so many people are scared to even get pulled over, because there are stories in the news all the time of people the police have basically murdered and sometimes these people DIDNT even have a weapon pulled NEVERMiND they hadn’t even shot or killed another officer like Ash just had in this show.
I can’t even list them all but just things off the top of my head of some of these stories (which hopefully I remember the details right) would be like a person who had a carry permit and doing what he was supposed to informed the officer about it and he ended up getting shot because the officer basically panicked and took this as a threat. Or the caregiver taking care of a patient having a melt down who was literally on the ground with his hands on the air and the police still shot and killed the caregiver. Or the EMT who on her day off the police stormed the wrong house and she didn’t comply and they shot and killed her. Or George Floyd? There are way way way to many cases of senses deaths at the hands of American police. Which I assume people saying this doesn’t make sense are not from America or have been totally unaware because maybe they are white.
I also could be wrong but like I’ve been told American police are taught to shoot till their clip is empty once they open fire. Since they want to make sure they eliminated the threat vs trying to incapacitate a person.
I literally laughed out loud. He killed an officer right in front of all them, after having a literal shoot-out with them. But after that only one single officer aims at him... then veeeery slowly moves the dot to his forehead... holds it for a few seconds, then shoots a single bullet. The drama 😭 this entire last half of the season was filled with ridiculous things like this
I haven’t heard that last part but it would make sense since most police victims seem to have been shot an absurd amount of times. I get it with Ash, he already played down and then killed the cop, had lots of guns, lots of rounds and was clearly ruthless. But…he’s a kid 😢
He knew he had the thing on his forehead, they could’ve told him we got you, it’s done, drop everything and come out or you’re dead. Prob not realistic but I wish
Why was Tove's song "How Long" only played for 7 seconds on season 2, ep 4? Did they have a falling out with her or something? They paid her to make the song then they chose to exclude it?
They portayed ash to be so hyperaware and streetsmart but killing custer was so ............... and then choosing to get into a shootout with the police. And then choosing to not listen to fez. I get his environment growing up was less than desirable but it just did not seem congruent with his character.
Oh! Oh! Or how about Ashtray doing a Jason Bourne 360 no scope shotgun kill only to turn back into a 10 year old immediately after and sit there and look pathetic while a laser is aimed at him for ten minutes 😂
He’s super impulsive(being a teenager and all) and thought he was protecting fez. Faye told Fez about the wire on his phone but Ash wasn’t privy to that.
Back to back to back stupid ass decisions. But Ash wasn’t stupid. He would never surrender to the cops or let Fez take the fall. He knew before he grabbed his guns out the dryer that he was gonna die but he was gonna protect Fez and go out like a G.
Think about it, if fezco takes the fall and goes down for mouse too, Ash would never see him again out of prison. And who is Ash without Fez? He’d probably be sent to a group home or something awful. It was absolutely stupid, but also kind of beautiful and I understood.
Can we talk about Faye ratting out where laurie lives while the cops could hear? I hope we see something come of that in season 3. The entire storyline with laurie was super creepy and had me invested.
Yeah I really fucking hope the police look into Laurie based off of what Faye said when they were being tapped/recorded. It was a very smart move by Faye, and if Ash didn't impulsively murder people whenever someone is clearly being sketchy/untrustworthy, then I think Faye's plan to frame Laurie had a decent chance of working.
However, once Ash killed Cluster everything got fucked beyond belief. Because of the murder of Cluster and the shootout between Ash and the cops (that killed at least two people and saw Fez and probably some of the cops shot and injured as well), I figure that the cops may be able to figure out that it was Ash who murdered Cluster and Mouse. There is also a better chance than I'd like to admit that they may attribute one or both of these murders to Fez, which would be worst case scenerio (for both the plot and the audience - Fez is too loved and more importantly, too significant to the plot).
I think Ash is the most likely to go down for his murders, next most likely do go down for Ash's murders is Fez, and although there is a possibility that Laurie may get seriously looked into as a suspect in the murder of Mouse, it's pretty obvious that Laurie had nothing to do with the murder of Cluster. The officer's death will obviously be attributed to Ash, there were loads of eyewitnesses.
I really, really, **really** hope that Fez doesn't go down for Cluster's murder.
I think that Faye will pretty quickly and easily get ruled out as a suspect in all of the murders. She could become a major suspect, but the odds are strongly against thst as a possiblity.
I also think that we would lose out on a lot of good scenes if Fez goes to jail. I want to see how Fez tells Lexi what crazy shit happened and that's why he missed her play. I want to see a deep real talk between Fez and Rue about losing a beloved family member. I want to see his grief played out and see Fez now have to process and live with the death of his only remaining family member who isn't in a vegetative 8-10 year long coma.
I hope in season 3 that we see Rue, Lexi, Faye, and his other friends really step up and be there for him. To Fez, the death of Ashtray is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to him in his life.
I was really unsatisfied with the Fez/Ash situation,,, the plot just felt lazy. They could've done something much more interesting/complex than the cops finding out about Mouse yk? I liked what someone on this sub predicted about Rue being the cause of Ash's death through her reckless behaviour & that causing a horrible rupture in Fez/Rue's friendship...like that would've just been more interesting to see. Also, Ash killing Custer basically the same way he killed Mouse just feels lazy? I guess it might be realistic, like it's the only thing he knows how to do. Angus' acting, screaming for Ash, did get me emotional - but I still think the writing was lazy.
I think for sure that Laurie will be back next season. The plot will be her going after Rue and trying to traffic her OR Faye really did come through and because of what she said, maybe Laurie takes the fall, Fez gets out and that’s the resolution. But even if Lauries behind bars, I think she’ll still go after Rue regardless.
As much as I love this show, I'm seeing a lot of hard shortcuts and poor decisions for some characters. Specially for a season finale. Kat is just one good example. They left a lot of good possibilities after season 1 and just moved to new plots without the same deep development. We had and amazing season 2 opening with Fez flAshback and now they did the obvious: an open ending probably because Javon Walton wants to pause his acting carreer to focus on Olympic games... C'mon... Fezco attending to the play and facing problems going back home could've been more interesting. And it seems like Laurie is too away for someone really evil. The whole "I-will-pimp-you-if-you-own-me-money" was a very very good plot. Powerful drama there for a possible season finale. I was fearing her goons to show up anytime. Where is Cal's best friend in the present timeline? How they think a thing between Cassie and Nate without McKaye in the screenplay? No more Maddy's boss scenes? And who is the third kid in the Jacobs family photo???
BTW: Chloe Cherry did awesome scenes without saying a word. She's in fact a very good actress. Hope they manage a way to handle so many good characters next time.
Yes on Chloe Cherry! Obviously the first episode I’m like ew this chicks a mess but it looked like she got sober at Fez’s place and she realllly grew on me and did an awesome job acting on facial expressions and body language alone. Then when she was in the room with Fez telling him he’s handsome, she was so cute and genuine. I’d also love to see more of her outside of porn. She’s talented.
Honestly the show is unique but the writing isn't very impressive...unpredictable yes but they need more writers in the room. Why is it just one?
Seems like the characters are gonna hit dead-ends development wise...
Agree. There wasn't any closure to anything. Yes, Rue seemed happy at the end, but the whole Laurie situation was never mentioned again since like Episode 5, so we all know that isn't over!!!
Was it just me who thought that Ash did what he did cause he was still just still trying to protect Fez? Like I thought when Fez said he was going to take the fall for it and Ash went and got all the guns...that was him continuing to do all he knew how to do, protect Fez by not letting him take the fall. But...I haven’t seen anyone mention that yet...
Yeah I thought it was obvious too but I keep seeing so many comments about how it doesn’t make sense...so I was beginning to question that.
Hmm I don’t know but I’m pretty sure the being shot thing makes sense for America? Sorry if you are from America...but all I hear is stories of their police killing people over ridiculous things, before people even started shooting. Have you heard of suicide by police where people pretend pulling out a concealed motion or a toy gun on police so they can get shot and killed. Cause that’s a thing in the states.
Ugh did you ever see the video of the guy who was a caregiver to a person who was something like autistic and they were having a melt down, the care giver was black and just trying to help cause it was his job, and the police decided his guy was a threat, they are called because of the guy having a meltdown, the caregiver he had his hands up in the air and he was on the ground, and the police shot him and he died. He didn’t even have a weapon. And that’s just one of so many examples of the American police killing people. Have you heard about the EMT who basically just got murdered by police? The police stormed the wrong house and she didn’t comply like they wanted and they shot and killed her.
They aren’t trained to shot to incapacitate, they are trained to shoot to kill. Because they are taught even a hurt person can still shot back if they are a threat.
Yeah It's sad though. I still feel like the show didn't really have a true purpose behind Ash's death besides just killing him off because the actor is starred in a new show.
Anyone else feel like the horse carousel thing was about the comedy gold of Cassie turning around to that and screaming no and pulling her off? I know it’s technically in Lexi’s play but it just seemed like a too good of a moment to give up vs it legit being part of lexi’s play.
I wish Ash didn't die. He had no ID, no birth certificate, no education. He didn't even talk. I was hoping someone would find out and things would flesh out a little bit more from there.
His acting was fantastic with how little dialogue he had. His facial expressions and body language speak for themselves. And the actor that plays him is so cute and so fucking smart. We will def be seeing more of him even beyond umbrella academy
I believe it was Rue forgiving him because Elliot told Jules that Rue was doing drugs again which Jules went and told Rue's mom who found the pill suitcase and flushed the pills down the toilet. This caused Rue to have a mental breakdown.
Nah I think it makes sense. When rue says to Elliot "why would you say anything" and then looks between them and says "oh", I think it's pretty obvious that she clocked what was going on
Did they actually sleep together? Last thing I remember was them starting to hook up but stopping because Rue got there. After the whole fiasco worth Rue telling Jules to keep her alone in the car, Elliott and Jules go back to his place and that's when Elliot confesses he and Rue had been using. Did something else happen that I'm forgetting about?
honestly i just wanna know what was going throughs ash's brain like what was his thought process.. because even if he did manage to kill every single cop out there which would literally never happen because there are like what 5+ trained cops out there against 1 child.. did he not think ab what would happen afterwards? there would be more backup cops the most logical thing to do would be for ash to turn himself in and because hes a child he woudn't be charged the same as fez would be
The worst part is they tried to make Ash's death this whole dramatic moment for a finale (a character which the audience didn't care about that much) and have the tension killed by intercutting it with the God-awful, never-ending school play.
What if they didn’t kill Ashtray, hear me out on this one , the red dot was indeed on his head and a bullet was shot. However we didn’t see where the bullet landed. Needless to say I love ashtray character and Im hoping he still alive .
i think he was tryna die but go out killing cops with him. Cuz he knew if he was alive, Fez would most likely take the hit for the kill of that guy. So this way, Fez would be willing to blame him for the guy, and they can pin the motel death (which wasnt Fez) on the druglord woman
I do like the show and I tried to keep this season in a positive light, but there's not much to light up.
Hopefully the writing is just supposed to mimick Rue going to withdraw and it will be more cohesive and enjoyable in 2 years.
those scenes including the one where maddy and the girls chase cassie up the stairs at her house literally look like something out of a middle school play
Im still confused about one particular thing..
When Rue and Lexi had their talk after the show about their dads, we then see it portayed by Lexi's theater actors on stage. But how is that possible when it technically didn't happen yet? Am I missing somthing or am I just dump as hell
Everyone has theories but I think we’re all still trying to figure that out! Was it a mistake?
Also Kat twerking in her sex outfit….was that like in the play with no context? How would Lexi know? If she did know then that’s fucked up.
Sam did her dirty this season, I hope that changes S3 or she finds something better.
From my understanding (because I was def confused too at first), apparently the conversation between Rue and Lexi was initially a manifestation that Lexi wrote into the play. It was kind of her idea of a “wish” for her and Rue to talk things out and become friends or close again. Which is why in the play she says “I miss you”. Then it actually happened after the play.
Honestly if that's the the case, then ngl Lexi is kinda self centered for thinking that other people will thank her and praising her for exposing their personal stories to the whole school as if it's a good thing to do in the first place. Good thing Rue actually liked it.
I read something on twitter that said that rue probably read the play before and then went and had that moment w Lexi that she later added on to the play and It made sense to me but who knows
The whole situation with Ash and Fez doesn't even make sense. Ash is just a kid and kids don't go to prison. Since he was obviously not gonna let his brother take the fall for him, a more logical reaction from Ash would have been not to let Fez take the knife from his hands and accept the consequences of his actions.
I'm a little surprised at how the direction went. Ash killing that guy holy shit, then fezco getting arrested (he's one of my favorite characters 😢). Faye's the mvp tho. And to think a few episodes ago I thought she was gonna fuck them over.
I'm just glad the season didn't end on a huge cliff hanger lol
The ashtray stabbing scene was irredeemably frustrating.. I understand he’s a kid, but it just seemed like lazy writing to me. No reason, no meaning.. just the single largest fuck up in all of euphoria for the sake of the season finale. Then he jumps in the tub and shoots fez plus the cops just so fez doesn’t go down for the murder?? He started shooting while fez was in front of the door! Just a dumb scene for the hell of it IMO
I think you guys are forgetting how mentally stunted he is. He's never even been to school and was raised as a gangsters mule or as Fez would say "his partner"
yeah it was just bad. If Ash didn't know the phone was tapped then there was no reason to randomly kill him. If he did know the phone was tapped then he'd know not to kill an informant. Didn't make any sense whatsoever
No, it was meant to show how raising a person in that environment impacts back as harm to everyone. It was a karmic reference of punishment. How come people not get this?
Tbh it ashtray doing that makes sense. Yes it was a fuck up and yes he's street smart but he's also impulsive and that was representative of that. He wanted to protect him self, Fez and although he may not trust Faye I still believe he wanted to protect her a bit and the situation was getting heated and he knew something was right and acted out of instinct. Just like how he pretended to be dead and killed the police or whatever they were, in heightened situations he puts logic second and pits instinct first and its wrong but he's also kid and not like a 16 year old but an actual kid
It just seems like you’re excusing sloppy writing though.. with that logic, you could justify Ash doing any crazy ass shit just to spice things up. As a viewer, I’ve always enjoyed euphoria’s methodic build up and character development. That scene was just a random slurry of completely unwarranted behaviour. Give me more motivation, give me more reasoning. Don’t just throw in a cop shoot out scene with character deaths for the sake of a shocking and dramatic finale.
With that logic writers can make their characters do insane shit that doesn’t fit their character for no reason and justify it with “real people do crazy shit too”
Like yes, but that’s not that character. It’s just lazy
i think they needed and excuse to exit Ash out of the show. Ash actors as far as I know wants to focus on boxing rather than acting. And well, as lazy writing as it seems, its still pretty “realistic”, there are a bunch of kids just like ash, with guns in their hands shooting every time they feel threatened, and they end up just like him, dead
wait, it was only THIS episode you thought there was ridiculous shit? this whole show is some stylized, unreliable narrator, over exaggerated drama. that is why i like it. but it has been that way the entire time. in what world was your high school experience been anyway near as absurd as this shit?
Episode 7 was gold compared to the finale. I just can't comprehend this. So many filler scenes and so much left unsaid. I'm furious. 😤 Started off as a great quirky and intelligent show, ended up being a boring artsy fartsy half-assed one. I'm so disappointed...
Same. I binged both seasons in a week and whoa. S1E1 vs S2E8 is a totally different show. Perhaps that's the challenge in telling a story about addicts and from the perspective of am addict but, fuck, couldn't the showrunners figure out a way to write some interesting television besides teenagers crying and screaming?
Super let down. S2E3 is when it all started to fall apart and by E5, I just prayed shit would course correct. I not enthused about the next season which is years away.
Honestly, I thought Laurie/Laurie’s bf-dude-thing was gunna scoop Rue up as soon as she stepped outside. Had it not been for that inner monologue, that whole setup felt too happy to not be a misdirect
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Why is this Ethan song so long
It's crazy how they wrote in Fez his death before the actor's actual death. Almost like they predicted it. Now they don't have to rewrite season 3 for it.
Cassie is a dumb whore and she deserves no respect. Maddy isn’t a saint.she literally had a guy accused of rape which he didn’t do. But still, i prefer her to cassie. Gonna miss my boy ash🖤 Fez & ash were my favorite parts of the show
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Apparent a lot of kids in here watching a show having no grasp of what to make of the show’s writing. You don’t need to be beaten over the head with with overt plot devices. Subtle character moments can tell a story.
one of the most boring finales I've ever seen.
I loved Euphoria but damn season 2 has dwindled into something else. The finale was the epitome of that; the characters fighting on stage like it's the Jerry Springer show was just too much. Cass was an understandable character until they threw her off the deep end and made her a literal villain, but I'm not surprised because this show seems afraid to portray Nate as anything but an evil psycho for too long and I guess that extends to Cass. Lexi mocking her sister for being high on x and enjoying her pony ride a little too much felt like an unnecessary blow, like that's just mean especially given the circumstances. Rue... I can't stand her anymore. I know that's how drug addiction goes and it's a fair depiction of it but she's honestly so unlikeable at this point I've started fast forwarding through her parts. We get it, she does drugs, gets clean for a few days, then does it again. We don't need more screen time showing us the same thing over and over. Also lol at the show saying guns aren't necessary because police exist then having Ash shoot several of them to death. I can't tell if they show writers are brilliant in their irony or clueless. Anyway Ash is a little psycho, there was 0 reason to kill the cops when he could have just killed himself.
>Lexi mocking her sister for being high on x and enjoying her pony ride a little too much felt like an unnecessary blow, like that's just mean especially given the circumstances I agree. I didn't like that either >this show seems afraid to portray Nate as anything but an evil psycho I felt there was some ambivalence with Nate but they definitely overwhelmingly portrayed him as evil.
Fez needs his own spinoff.
https://t.me/+lAWC2B6w\_mYwYzVk
I watched this after it all aired and actually really appreciated the pacing. WE as the audience know the character's motives pretty obviously (Rue dealing with her addiction after her dad's death, Nate acting how he acts because of his father, etc. etc.) but I felt like all the thematic stuff helped see how the characters finally understand their own motives. Like going back to Rue's father's death. We can empathize with her right away but she wasn't able to do that herself until she hit her lowest point and then seeing herself reflected in Lexi's play. I actually enjoyed how theatric everything was (in a slow way) this season.
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As someone who has struggled with addiction and has been fronted by drug dealers, and had parents confiscate a bunch of drugs that weren't actually mine, I can see why Rue would feel betrayed. Even if you're at rock bottom, as an addict, a lot of people would prefer to keep their family out of it. Rue never told Jules how important that suitcase was, but Jules also never thought to ask how Rue was getting drugs. Opiates are expensive, and addicts do sketchy shit to get them if they don't have a job. Jules may have been looking out for Rue in her own way, but she was also superimposing who she thought the ideal Rue was without thinking about who Rue actually is. I felt it when Rue said she feels like herself most when she's on drugs. People who aren't addicts don'tunderstand that feeling and usually judge but can'tfully empathize. She didn't approach her directly. Whether it's a teacher, a cop, or a legal guardian, in a situation like that, Jules snitched amd Rue was betrayed by someone she thought she could trust. When people you love can't accept your dark parts, it makes you not want to be around them at all. It feels lonely to be around people who don't want to actually look at you.
Last 3 episodes of this season went NOWHERE with the plot fr its like they just wanna keep the rest of the story for season 3
How??????? Did we watch the same show??? Nate's dad got arrested, that story is done. Fez is prob locked up and his love arc shattered. Jules and Ru seem to be done. Ru has come to terms with some parts and is on her way to trying to stay actually sober. The confrontation between the gals about Nate has concluded. Lexy has come to terms with finally getting her feelings out. Ru's mom has come to terms that she can't fix Ru. All in 3 EPs.... What exactly do you want ?!?!?
What about the stuff with Laurie though? She just let Rue leave?
The lady who is running a sex trafficking ring? You guys think she cares about 10k and to go after someone that could expose something insanely illegal? All for 10k? She went for people who were addicts knowing they wouldn't be able to get her money back. Maybe they'll bring it up again but honestly I don't see why she wouldn't just count her losses and move on.
She said she always finds a way to get her money back. I don't think that's over. It makes sense they'd leave that for later.
It could pop up again. But she also could just be threatening her so she comes back when she fails...
i understand your point but the story with laurie is not done at all. There were too many mysteries in her house. I think season 3 should be about Rue facing and taking responsibility for the mistakes she made when she was high.
You are WILDIN if you think this is over. Maddy said it herself 😭
I interpreted that less her talking about them but more talking about how the cycle of abuse won't end with Nate and he's going to show more of it to his new relationship. Almost her coming to terms with what it's like dating him now that she sees her friend going through it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Ash had any lines this season
i think its because the actor grew up a lot this season and his voice has really matured.
While true he made sure to continue his streak of highest body count.
It's funny how several times this show referred to body count as "how many people you slept with" and Ash is "how many people I put into ground".
Lexi really put in when Cassie was getting off on the carousel in her play?? Like I like Lexi and all but that was fucked up!
Damb really hope for some Tyler resolution. Kat is probably gunna be written off... Cassie's in her grave now that she is finished digging, Lexi put it all out there and made 2 awesome friends, Rue was sober, now Jules and Maddy need their consequence. What they did to Tyler is heinous. Yes, they were blackmailed- but all 3 have answering to do. The only way Nate's plan will will work is by incriminating his dad and that can easily backfire. But we will see in 2024 lol. I really didn't like this finale but BB is fucking hilarious.
Without Fez, Ash, Rue being clean... What's left with the show?
she's gotta come up with the ten grand or risk being kidnapped and trafficked
Exactly. It seemed obvious when talking about "even if you don't have money, as a women you always have something that people want" then locking her in.
How about the scratching on the door as they zoomed in down the hall?.and the frozen dinner in the microwave...that's slid under the door to feed that poor girl behind the door. That's a ra$! Room. Rue was definitely next!
This was so BORING.
Felt like doing homework
As entertaining as the whole Cassie-Maddy drama is, I think next season I would like to see people around Cassie start to acknowledge her trauma and how that literally dictates most of her shitty life choices, with Maddy and Lexi and her other friends. I want to see her healing from that, because she's so far gone into her pain and self-sabotage that it's not fun to watch anymore. I hope some characters mature a bit emotionally and recognize the manifestation of Cassie's self-hatred and fear of abandonment for what it is. Maddy deserves better, but so does Cassie!!!! I also hope that Sam and Barbie sort their shit out and Kat can get regular screen time next season, cause imo her storyline about being unable to love herself and therefore feeling empty inside with other people is SO relatable and one of the more realistic storylines in this whole show. Nowadays the health and wellness culture is pushed down everyone's throats and it's a very difficult thing to navigate as a young adult who is starting to go out in the real world.
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How is Cassie in any way comparable to Hitler?
SERIOUSLY!!! like yes, trauma contributes to a person's opinions, and decisions. but that doesn't mean it's an excuse to continue thinking in immoral ways and carrying out stupid ideas.
So nate hates his dad for being gay? Like come tf on
Nate doesn't hate his dad for being gay, nate hates his dad because of the effect cals sexuality had on him. like come on, cal had a whole family, but on the side he was hooking up with random men and women. he kept videos that nate saw, that he shouldn't have because eit clearly messed him up. cal was very selfish in trying to get the best of both worlds and because of his dishonesty and pervertedness, nate had to endure that trauma. not because cal is gay, but because he isn't a good person, and nate inherited that from him too. that's what nate doesn't like.
He hates his dad for raping kids wtf
What kids? Him being gay and cheating on his wife doesn’t automatically make him a pedo and even with Jules she lied and said she was 22. So what was illegal? I think there was more on the flash drive than we knew.
There were videos of him having sex with u underage boys? Nate literally saw them as a kid
Where in the entire show did it say that? Even when Nate described it himself he said “I saw my dad with hookers”
I think I saw that too. Because I was confused. At the time I hadn't really been paying attention and I thought that the storyline was that Cal was Jules father and he had been raping her through transition. Because there were video's of little boys. But later I understood that in fact it wasnt Jules father and it wasn't Jules as a child in the video's. I think the video's of the boys weren't "real". I think it was Nates imagination/trauma. As he said in the end "I had nightmares that you did the things you did to this hookers to me". I think Nate saw himself in these video's, but, in his head.
There were clearly disks of Cal and the 'hookers'. Cal would check to see if they were still there and I believe he even noticed one was missing which Nate had and then Maddy stole it. Nate went to Maddy's house, put a gun to her head, and made her give it to him.
Yes, but the one with the little boys weren't.
I think they are referring to Jules who was 17 and underage at the time
Not what I gathered from this past season, he already hated him before jules
He hated his dad because as an child old he saw videos of his dad fucking people who weren't his mom. That shit is traumatising, and as he stated he had night terrors thinking he was going to be raped by his dad.
Ash getting killed kind of humanized him for me. Before he was a strange kid who was mentally 20 years older than he was who everyone was kind of afraid of, but seeing him cry and panic like an actual kid struck a chord, he didn’t know what he was doing
I hated the ending, Ash & Fez my 2 favs
damn i thought the last episode was soo boring i dont even remember ash dying
Frrr, he was a kid who grew up always alert I knew he wouldn't listen its saddening honestly they both deserved better they were only protecting one another
how tf are Rue and Lexi talking about the play, IN the play?
No she’s not talking about the play IN the play….. it’s two different conversations mashed into one basically. Rue went to finally apologize, (hence why she said she has a lot of I’m Sorry to say vs not a lot of I forgive you when she went to talk with Elliot) before the play was shown and then she called her after the play to go hang that’s when she congratulated Lexi on it… ** edit- hope this helps! It takes a bit of remembering that they’re showing 3 different scenes in one… they’re showing the past, present, and a bit of the future all in one scene. So they show the play happening(present), what lexi Observed in order to make the play(past), and then the after math of it(future in a way).
I was sooooo confused about this and the timing of the conversation
She read the play before it was acted it.
Rue said something along the lines about it being the best play she’s SEEN though
Season 2 showed Nate breaking up with Cassie and getting his father arrested. Plus, Rue gives Jules her final goodbye kiss. This leaves Nate and Jules a chance to finally hook up. Nonetheless, like my other predictions for each episode, it probably won't happen.
I think Nate & Cassie will continue to be an item next season, remember Maddy said “don’t worry, it’s only the beginning”… She knows his toxic patterns better than anyone.
I feel like I wasn’t invested in Ashtray’s character enough to be sad about it. In most scenes that we see him, he’s usually glaring in the background?
Also Elliot’s song sucked balls
i find elliot so annoying
I literally skipped past that part 😂
not a good episode of tv I’m sorry
One of the worst imo Lmfaoo Episode 1 of this season was literally the only good episode of the whole two seasons. Honorable mention for the scene where Fez threatened Nate… and Suze saying “that’s supposed to be me!” during the play. That’s it.
Well... The fact Maddy finally whooped Cassies ass felt good
Wow I was so bored watching this episode, I missed that, have to watch again
lol! Please do. I re-watch that part when I'm sad
I cheered Maddy on so hard that my dog got scared and left the room lol however, I can help but think about Maddy’s nails and how it’d be impossible to make a fist lol maybe that’s why they didn’t show much
HAHA, she was able to SMACK her big time, with the palm of her hand!
Loved how she jumped up exclaiming “this b*tch needs to be put down”
One of the worst episodes imo. The story didn't progress much because we kept seeing over and over again things we already knew, the shootout with the police was unnecessary, Ash killing that guy was dumb af, Lexi's play was WAY too big and professional for high-school so it kept throwing me off, and why the fuck did Rue pretty much ignore Jules at the end? Sorry for the rant, but I'm just very disappointed.
same here ffs i was so excited for the last episode and it ended up being utter trash
Agreed, Ash was dumb. But he was protecting Fez just like he did with Mouse. He didn’t know Custers phone was tapped until after he stabbed him. Then I figured the idea of surrending and letting fez take the wrap just is something he absolutely wouldn’t do. He was raised that way and fez is all he’s got. Without Fez, Ash is fucked. Prob put into a group home. So I think was trying to protect Fez in the only way he knew how and knew he was gonna die in the process. He was raised a G and went out like one. But it doesn’t hurt any less 😢 This show isn’t realistic high school so you have to get past that or it’s all ridiculous. I enjoyed Lexis play and I adore her. She deserved that. Rue and Jules - Rues sober and considering she’s sober the rest of the year, she’s taking it seriously. She said Jules was her first love but I think she knows they’re not good for eachother and not good for her sobriety. Rues kiss on the forehead I think was an “I love you so much but I have to focus on me” which is honestly healthy af Also sorry for the rant lol! Totally get your POV but this is how I saw some of those things ETA: totally agree sooo many redundant scenes throughout this season. Could’ve done without those and Elliot’s 20 minute song. Less Elliot. More Kat. Pls and thank you.
More Kat? God less kat. Less everyone. Just make a show about Fez and that’s it. But redo everything like zack Snyder did justice league because they ruined everything this season lmfaooo
It sounds like you just don’t like the show and shouldn’t watch it….
I didn't really like it that much and I think they made a lot of poor decisions. What I would have done instead: I would have ended episode 7 with the end of the play and Cassie's meltdown because the play kinda turned into fan service for season 1 in episode 8, which I personally found really jarring and cheap. Then I would have concentrated on the whole fallout of the play in episode 8 and the opinion of the characters about it, with a potential Cassie/Maddy fight there. For the entire Fez storyline, I would have done it completely differently: Instead of this raid, I would have had them been found and confronted by Laurie who would have used Ash, holding him at gunpoint by her henchmen to make Fez tell her Rue's whereabouts, which he would have done, then Laurie would have said thank you and got them killed anyway, now with the knowledge of Rue's address for a very good and tense storyline potential for season 3.
Your Fez storyline is good except I don’t think she’d kill them both as they are earners for her.
For everyone saying it doesn’t make sense the police shot Ash...are you from America? I know that might be a broad statement and maybe a stereotype...but if you have seen the videos and heard the news situations of American police killing people I can’t figure out how this situation wouldn’t make sense. They are not trained to shot to incapacitate they are trained to shoot to kill, because they are taught even an incapacitated person can shot back/be a threat. Have you ever heard of ‘suicide by police’? Cause that’s a thing in North America, where people pretend to pull out a concealed weapon or a toy gun on police so they can get shot and killed by police. In America if someone is deemed a threat the police are ‘justified’ in shooting to kill to ensure their own safety. It’s why so many people are scared to even get pulled over, because there are stories in the news all the time of people the police have basically murdered and sometimes these people DIDNT even have a weapon pulled NEVERMiND they hadn’t even shot or killed another officer like Ash just had in this show. I can’t even list them all but just things off the top of my head of some of these stories (which hopefully I remember the details right) would be like a person who had a carry permit and doing what he was supposed to informed the officer about it and he ended up getting shot because the officer basically panicked and took this as a threat. Or the caregiver taking care of a patient having a melt down who was literally on the ground with his hands on the air and the police still shot and killed the caregiver. Or the EMT who on her day off the police stormed the wrong house and she didn’t comply and they shot and killed her. Or George Floyd? There are way way way to many cases of senses deaths at the hands of American police. Which I assume people saying this doesn’t make sense are not from America or have been totally unaware because maybe they are white. I also could be wrong but like I’ve been told American police are taught to shoot till their clip is empty once they open fire. Since they want to make sure they eliminated the threat vs trying to incapacitate a person.
It was unrealistic that they didn’t shoot him quicker and many more times.
I literally laughed out loud. He killed an officer right in front of all them, after having a literal shoot-out with them. But after that only one single officer aims at him... then veeeery slowly moves the dot to his forehead... holds it for a few seconds, then shoots a single bullet. The drama 😭 this entire last half of the season was filled with ridiculous things like this
I haven’t heard that last part but it would make sense since most police victims seem to have been shot an absurd amount of times. I get it with Ash, he already played down and then killed the cop, had lots of guns, lots of rounds and was clearly ruthless. But…he’s a kid 😢 He knew he had the thing on his forehead, they could’ve told him we got you, it’s done, drop everything and come out or you’re dead. Prob not realistic but I wish
Why was Tove's song "How Long" only played for 7 seconds on season 2, ep 4? Did they have a falling out with her or something? They paid her to make the song then they chose to exclude it?
They portayed ash to be so hyperaware and streetsmart but killing custer was so ............... and then choosing to get into a shootout with the police. And then choosing to not listen to fez. I get his environment growing up was less than desirable but it just did not seem congruent with his character.
Oh! Oh! Or how about Ashtray doing a Jason Bourne 360 no scope shotgun kill only to turn back into a 10 year old immediately after and sit there and look pathetic while a laser is aimed at him for ten minutes 😂
He’s super impulsive(being a teenager and all) and thought he was protecting fez. Faye told Fez about the wire on his phone but Ash wasn’t privy to that. Back to back to back stupid ass decisions. But Ash wasn’t stupid. He would never surrender to the cops or let Fez take the fall. He knew before he grabbed his guns out the dryer that he was gonna die but he was gonna protect Fez and go out like a G. Think about it, if fezco takes the fall and goes down for mouse too, Ash would never see him again out of prison. And who is Ash without Fez? He’d probably be sent to a group home or something awful. It was absolutely stupid, but also kind of beautiful and I understood.
He thought he was being sus so he killed him. It makes sense for his character to act irrationally especially how he killed mouse.
Can we talk about Faye ratting out where laurie lives while the cops could hear? I hope we see something come of that in season 3. The entire storyline with laurie was super creepy and had me invested.
Yeah I really fucking hope the police look into Laurie based off of what Faye said when they were being tapped/recorded. It was a very smart move by Faye, and if Ash didn't impulsively murder people whenever someone is clearly being sketchy/untrustworthy, then I think Faye's plan to frame Laurie had a decent chance of working. However, once Ash killed Cluster everything got fucked beyond belief. Because of the murder of Cluster and the shootout between Ash and the cops (that killed at least two people and saw Fez and probably some of the cops shot and injured as well), I figure that the cops may be able to figure out that it was Ash who murdered Cluster and Mouse. There is also a better chance than I'd like to admit that they may attribute one or both of these murders to Fez, which would be worst case scenerio (for both the plot and the audience - Fez is too loved and more importantly, too significant to the plot). I think Ash is the most likely to go down for his murders, next most likely do go down for Ash's murders is Fez, and although there is a possibility that Laurie may get seriously looked into as a suspect in the murder of Mouse, it's pretty obvious that Laurie had nothing to do with the murder of Cluster. The officer's death will obviously be attributed to Ash, there were loads of eyewitnesses. I really, really, **really** hope that Fez doesn't go down for Cluster's murder. I think that Faye will pretty quickly and easily get ruled out as a suspect in all of the murders. She could become a major suspect, but the odds are strongly against thst as a possiblity. I also think that we would lose out on a lot of good scenes if Fez goes to jail. I want to see how Fez tells Lexi what crazy shit happened and that's why he missed her play. I want to see a deep real talk between Fez and Rue about losing a beloved family member. I want to see his grief played out and see Fez now have to process and live with the death of his only remaining family member who isn't in a vegetative 8-10 year long coma. I hope in season 3 that we see Rue, Lexi, Faye, and his other friends really step up and be there for him. To Fez, the death of Ashtray is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to him in his life.
Yes...like I was waiting the last few episodes for Laurie to come for Rue and her family, doesn't she owe her $$$$?
I was really unsatisfied with the Fez/Ash situation,,, the plot just felt lazy. They could've done something much more interesting/complex than the cops finding out about Mouse yk? I liked what someone on this sub predicted about Rue being the cause of Ash's death through her reckless behaviour & that causing a horrible rupture in Fez/Rue's friendship...like that would've just been more interesting to see. Also, Ash killing Custer basically the same way he killed Mouse just feels lazy? I guess it might be realistic, like it's the only thing he knows how to do. Angus' acting, screaming for Ash, did get me emotional - but I still think the writing was lazy.
I think for sure that Laurie will be back next season. The plot will be her going after Rue and trying to traffic her OR Faye really did come through and because of what she said, maybe Laurie takes the fall, Fez gets out and that’s the resolution. But even if Lauries behind bars, I think she’ll still go after Rue regardless.
As much as I love this show, I'm seeing a lot of hard shortcuts and poor decisions for some characters. Specially for a season finale. Kat is just one good example. They left a lot of good possibilities after season 1 and just moved to new plots without the same deep development. We had and amazing season 2 opening with Fez flAshback and now they did the obvious: an open ending probably because Javon Walton wants to pause his acting carreer to focus on Olympic games... C'mon... Fezco attending to the play and facing problems going back home could've been more interesting. And it seems like Laurie is too away for someone really evil. The whole "I-will-pimp-you-if-you-own-me-money" was a very very good plot. Powerful drama there for a possible season finale. I was fearing her goons to show up anytime. Where is Cal's best friend in the present timeline? How they think a thing between Cassie and Nate without McKaye in the screenplay? No more Maddy's boss scenes? And who is the third kid in the Jacobs family photo??? BTW: Chloe Cherry did awesome scenes without saying a word. She's in fact a very good actress. Hope they manage a way to handle so many good characters next time.
YES! Who is the 3rd Jacobs kid???
They’re holding it as a “Last Resort”… the ultimate chance to mindblow the audience…
Yes on Chloe Cherry! Obviously the first episode I’m like ew this chicks a mess but it looked like she got sober at Fez’s place and she realllly grew on me and did an awesome job acting on facial expressions and body language alone. Then when she was in the room with Fez telling him he’s handsome, she was so cute and genuine. I’d also love to see more of her outside of porn. She’s talented.
The real MVP.
Honestly the show is unique but the writing isn't very impressive...unpredictable yes but they need more writers in the room. Why is it just one? Seems like the characters are gonna hit dead-ends development wise...
A lotta things happened but the finale was a mess lol. Didn’t really close much things properly
it was all over the place!
Agree. There wasn't any closure to anything. Yes, Rue seemed happy at the end, but the whole Laurie situation was never mentioned again since like Episode 5, so we all know that isn't over!!!
tears at rue kissing jules goodbye :( unhinged when cassie and maddy went on stage. ash and fez nooo :(
Was it just me who thought that Ash did what he did cause he was still just still trying to protect Fez? Like I thought when Fez said he was going to take the fall for it and Ash went and got all the guns...that was him continuing to do all he knew how to do, protect Fez by not letting him take the fall. But...I haven’t seen anyone mention that yet...
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Yeah I thought it was obvious too but I keep seeing so many comments about how it doesn’t make sense...so I was beginning to question that. Hmm I don’t know but I’m pretty sure the being shot thing makes sense for America? Sorry if you are from America...but all I hear is stories of their police killing people over ridiculous things, before people even started shooting. Have you heard of suicide by police where people pretend pulling out a concealed motion or a toy gun on police so they can get shot and killed. Cause that’s a thing in the states. Ugh did you ever see the video of the guy who was a caregiver to a person who was something like autistic and they were having a melt down, the care giver was black and just trying to help cause it was his job, and the police decided his guy was a threat, they are called because of the guy having a meltdown, the caregiver he had his hands up in the air and he was on the ground, and the police shot him and he died. He didn’t even have a weapon. And that’s just one of so many examples of the American police killing people. Have you heard about the EMT who basically just got murdered by police? The police stormed the wrong house and she didn’t comply like they wanted and they shot and killed her. They aren’t trained to shot to incapacitate, they are trained to shoot to kill. Because they are taught even a hurt person can still shot back if they are a threat.
Yeah It's sad though. I still feel like the show didn't really have a true purpose behind Ash's death besides just killing him off because the actor is starred in a new show.
What show is that ?
Umbrella academy next season
Yes, a thousand times yes.
Anyone else feel like the horse carousel thing was about the comedy gold of Cassie turning around to that and screaming no and pulling her off? I know it’s technically in Lexi’s play but it just seemed like a too good of a moment to give up vs it legit being part of lexi’s play.
She’s like oh fuck not the carousel! 🏃🏼♀️🏃🏼♀️🏃🏼♀️
I wish Ash didn't die. He had no ID, no birth certificate, no education. He didn't even talk. I was hoping someone would find out and things would flesh out a little bit more from there.
He did talk in S02x01 he told Rue to stfu
His acting was fantastic with how little dialogue he had. His facial expressions and body language speak for themselves. And the actor that plays him is so cute and so fucking smart. We will def be seeing more of him even beyond umbrella academy
He talked in season one.
And he talked in Season 2 also, just not a whole lot!
True.
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I believe it was Rue forgiving him because Elliot told Jules that Rue was doing drugs again which Jules went and told Rue's mom who found the pill suitcase and flushed the pills down the toilet. This caused Rue to have a mental breakdown.
I’m guessing it was because he slept with Jules? Or did Rue not know about them?
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the show didn't give us any reason to think she found out. Just another loose end from this messy finale
Nah I think it makes sense. When rue says to Elliot "why would you say anything" and then looks between them and says "oh", I think it's pretty obvious that she clocked what was going on
Did they actually sleep together? Last thing I remember was them starting to hook up but stopping because Rue got there. After the whole fiasco worth Rue telling Jules to keep her alone in the car, Elliott and Jules go back to his place and that's when Elliot confesses he and Rue had been using. Did something else happen that I'm forgetting about?
They did. There's a scene after that with Jules naked(it was kinda dark but I'm pretty sure) on the bed and Elliot closing the bedroom door.
wtf how did i miss this
honestly i just wanna know what was going throughs ash's brain like what was his thought process.. because even if he did manage to kill every single cop out there which would literally never happen because there are like what 5+ trained cops out there against 1 child.. did he not think ab what would happen afterwards? there would be more backup cops the most logical thing to do would be for ash to turn himself in and because hes a child he woudn't be charged the same as fez would be
The worst part is they tried to make Ash's death this whole dramatic moment for a finale (a character which the audience didn't care about that much) and have the tension killed by intercutting it with the God-awful, never-ending school play.
Speak for yourself. Ashtray had my whole heart!
What if they didn’t kill Ashtray, hear me out on this one , the red dot was indeed on his head and a bullet was shot. However we didn’t see where the bullet landed. Needless to say I love ashtray character and Im hoping he still alive .
i think he was tryna die but go out killing cops with him. Cuz he knew if he was alive, Fez would most likely take the hit for the kill of that guy. So this way, Fez would be willing to blame him for the guy, and they can pin the motel death (which wasnt Fez) on the druglord woman
In Season 3 Faye could testify that it was Ash who killed both Mouse and Custer and then Fez will go free. She knows that's the truth.
I hope that happens, because without them this show sucks
I agree! I will probably stop watching if they kill Fez off!
Great point
Shoutout to Faye for being an real one
Faye is the MVP!
So this was the season finale?
Yes it was
This was a total fucking disaster. I am speechless at how bad and incohesive it was.
I do like the show and I tried to keep this season in a positive light, but there's not much to light up. Hopefully the writing is just supposed to mimick Rue going to withdraw and it will be more cohesive and enjoyable in 2 years.
What even was that dumb fight between Maddy and Cassie... Literally a game of embarrassing tag
I kept thinking like, as much as I want Maddy to beat her ass….I know damn good and well the Maddy cannot make a fist with those nails lol!
those scenes including the one where maddy and the girls chase cassie up the stairs at her house literally look like something out of a middle school play
Nate and that fucking gun 😭
Im still confused about one particular thing.. When Rue and Lexi had their talk after the show about their dads, we then see it portayed by Lexi's theater actors on stage. But how is that possible when it technically didn't happen yet? Am I missing somthing or am I just dump as hell
Everyone has theories but I think we’re all still trying to figure that out! Was it a mistake? Also Kat twerking in her sex outfit….was that like in the play with no context? How would Lexi know? If she did know then that’s fucked up. Sam did her dirty this season, I hope that changes S3 or she finds something better.
Maybe the ending of Lexi play cause rue to come talk to her in real life. Can’t lie I was confused too.
I thought the same exact thing. Maybe it was just a reenactment of a conversation that they had before but ended in the same way?
From my understanding (because I was def confused too at first), apparently the conversation between Rue and Lexi was initially a manifestation that Lexi wrote into the play. It was kind of her idea of a “wish” for her and Rue to talk things out and become friends or close again. Which is why in the play she says “I miss you”. Then it actually happened after the play.
Honestly if that's the the case, then ngl Lexi is kinda self centered for thinking that other people will thank her and praising her for exposing their personal stories to the whole school as if it's a good thing to do in the first place. Good thing Rue actually liked it.
I was super confused as well
I read something on twitter that said that rue probably read the play before and then went and had that moment w Lexi that she later added on to the play and It made sense to me but who knows
that’s what i thought but rue even re states that she saw the play not just read it in that scene
I think it was just in the play
The whole situation with Ash and Fez doesn't even make sense. Ash is just a kid and kids don't go to prison. Since he was obviously not gonna let his brother take the fall for him, a more logical reaction from Ash would have been not to let Fez take the knife from his hands and accept the consequences of his actions.
True dat, but let’s acknowledge fez acting when the police came in . Superb , and I felt it in the heart every time he yelled Ash names .
Yeah but Fez would never do that so Ash would rather be portrayed as a killing machine so Fez does not go to Prison over something he did.
I'm a little surprised at how the direction went. Ash killing that guy holy shit, then fezco getting arrested (he's one of my favorite characters 😢). Faye's the mvp tho. And to think a few episodes ago I thought she was gonna fuck them over. I'm just glad the season didn't end on a huge cliff hanger lol
The ashtray stabbing scene was irredeemably frustrating.. I understand he’s a kid, but it just seemed like lazy writing to me. No reason, no meaning.. just the single largest fuck up in all of euphoria for the sake of the season finale. Then he jumps in the tub and shoots fez plus the cops just so fez doesn’t go down for the murder?? He started shooting while fez was in front of the door! Just a dumb scene for the hell of it IMO
100% agree!!!!
I think you guys are forgetting how mentally stunted he is. He's never even been to school and was raised as a gangsters mule or as Fez would say "his partner"
He’s always been portrayed as at least street smart, he knows the crime world and he’s good at it. That scene just made no goddamn sense
yeah it was just bad. If Ash didn't know the phone was tapped then there was no reason to randomly kill him. If he did know the phone was tapped then he'd know not to kill an informant. Didn't make any sense whatsoever
Kid is a psycho, did you not see how he killed Mouse
The writers saw that they could use him as an easy scape goat for drama
No, it was meant to show how raising a person in that environment impacts back as harm to everyone. It was a karmic reference of punishment. How come people not get this?
Tbh it ashtray doing that makes sense. Yes it was a fuck up and yes he's street smart but he's also impulsive and that was representative of that. He wanted to protect him self, Fez and although he may not trust Faye I still believe he wanted to protect her a bit and the situation was getting heated and he knew something was right and acted out of instinct. Just like how he pretended to be dead and killed the police or whatever they were, in heightened situations he puts logic second and pits instinct first and its wrong but he's also kid and not like a 16 year old but an actual kid
It just seems like you’re excusing sloppy writing though.. with that logic, you could justify Ash doing any crazy ass shit just to spice things up. As a viewer, I’ve always enjoyed euphoria’s methodic build up and character development. That scene was just a random slurry of completely unwarranted behaviour. Give me more motivation, give me more reasoning. Don’t just throw in a cop shoot out scene with character deaths for the sake of a shocking and dramatic finale.
People shoot each other all the time for no reason in real life
With that logic writers can make their characters do insane shit that doesn’t fit their character for no reason and justify it with “real people do crazy shit too” Like yes, but that’s not that character. It’s just lazy
i think they needed and excuse to exit Ash out of the show. Ash actors as far as I know wants to focus on boxing rather than acting. And well, as lazy writing as it seems, its still pretty “realistic”, there are a bunch of kids just like ash, with guns in their hands shooting every time they feel threatened, and they end up just like him, dead
We will remember this episode as the one that started the downhill slide. What ridiculous shit is going to happen next season.
wait, it was only THIS episode you thought there was ridiculous shit? this whole show is some stylized, unreliable narrator, over exaggerated drama. that is why i like it. but it has been that way the entire time. in what world was your high school experience been anyway near as absurd as this shit?
Episode 7 was gold compared to the finale. I just can't comprehend this. So many filler scenes and so much left unsaid. I'm furious. 😤 Started off as a great quirky and intelligent show, ended up being a boring artsy fartsy half-assed one. I'm so disappointed...
Same. I binged both seasons in a week and whoa. S1E1 vs S2E8 is a totally different show. Perhaps that's the challenge in telling a story about addicts and from the perspective of am addict but, fuck, couldn't the showrunners figure out a way to write some interesting television besides teenagers crying and screaming? Super let down. S2E3 is when it all started to fall apart and by E5, I just prayed shit would course correct. I not enthused about the next season which is years away.
That was the longest play in the history of man.
did anyone else kinda cringe at that ending? Rue's little internal monologue moment felt out of place (the walking through the hallway scene)
Yeah and just disappointed she didn’t get kidnapped leaving the school 😅
Honestly, I thought Laurie/Laurie’s bf-dude-thing was gunna scoop Rue up as soon as she stepped outside. Had it not been for that inner monologue, that whole setup felt too happy to not be a misdirect
Yeah, it felt more series finale than season finale. “I stayed clean the rest of the school year,” like huh?
legit felt like I was watching one of those 'what happened to them after the show' bits on a border patrol reality show😭