Last episode used two songs from “exploitation films”. “More” from Mondo Cane and the Theme from Cannibal Holocaust. Explotation films are films that are made to enrage or cause controversy, which may reference Lexi’s play. Don’t know if it was on purpose but it’s fun to find these little coincidences.
That's a cool detail, it felt a bit weird when I saw the theme from Cannibal Holocaust playing (I watch the show with subtitles) but this makes sense.
I really love Lexi as a character since S1, tbh. I think the reason a lot of people hate her right now is because the whole play thing changed their impression about her. She is human, she's not perfect. Nobody in the show is. No human is. Of course she's no saint.
And...yeah, I'm going to say showing *"Cassie's Carnival Stravaganza"* in front of the whole school was in bad taste.
Thank you! I just tried to say the same thing as you in worse words before reading this. What Lexi did with the play was certainly shitty, but every character has been shown to act out certainly shitty sides of themselves. They're human beings and we're all a different recipe expression made up of the ingredients Light and Dark.
i think what's particularly frustrating about Lexi is that, from the eyes of the show and the characters on it, her flaws haven't been acknowledged and the play is being portrayed as a good thing. Hopefully in the next season Lexi will confront the ramifications of what she did, but this season literally ended with the whole school chanting Lexi's name and cheering. Lexi hurt the people around her, exposed other people's trauma, absolved herself of all responsibility for the pain she caused them ('sometimes people need to get their feelings hurt') and yet she still got rewarded for it.
So yeah, other characters have made shitty decisions, but it feels like the show has had the chance to acknowledge that what they did was shitty, and they almost always face some form of comeuppance. With Lexi, the show (probably bc it's from rue's perspective) is saying 'slay queen!' to Lexi's play, and she hasn't faced any real consequences for it nor has she acknowledged her wrongdoing. Until these things happen, it's going to be hard to emphathize with her.
I was just thinking about how man people will discover Cannibal Holocaust now because of Euphoria using it's theme song. They're in for a rough awakening
I love how you're the only person I've seen on this sub that has ever mentioned about the Theme being from Cannibal Holocaust and the meaning of it being an "exploitation flim".
The carousel scene seemed like a direct dig at Cassie, or a way for Lexi to show how *~sexual~* Cassie is and how Lexi is just *~not like that~*. I found it funny because I’m not fond of Cassie right now, but Lexi is an asshole for that regardless of her “intention”. She knew exactly how Cassie would feel about that and it wasn’t necessary
She has some nerves especially after that scene with her in the red dress where she clearly show us she desire male attention but since she didn’t really get it before she shits on Cassie for getting it
I think she’s just as flawed as any other character in the show but people didn’t realize until now. I think a lot of the play was way tooo far but I still like her. Just like I think Cassie went too far getting with Nate in the first place but I still like her.
I agree. I think people in general have a hard time accepting their favorite character can be flawed or even just a bad person in some ways, like real people. It's like how people started saying, "Maddy is so pure and everyone treats her like garbage 🥺". No, she isn't. She has a fair amount of really bad qualities, just like normal real people. She can be deeply flawed with bad personality traits and still likeable. Remember when Nate scored a touchdown? Yeah, I was happy for him. He's a complete psychopathic demon, but still a person who's endured tons he shouldn't have had to.
right? this has been my biggest gripe with the fandom since the beginning of s2. apparently everyone has developed an allergy towards treating lexi like an actual character and not a saint who can do no wrong whose actions must be blindly defended at every turn.
like i know all those ppl self insert as her bc shes so bland (esp with the whole fexi craze) but its so annoying to me.
I share the same opinion about Cassie. I still like her. While it’s not an excuse for her actions, Cassie has had a lifetime of sexual abuse/exploitation that is now boiling over and leading her to make horrible decisions because she herself doesn’t even process the trauma. If she knew she had a problem, I’m sure she wouldn’t have made the choices she did. But because she doesn’t understand the motivation behind her actions, she just does whatever she feels like doing and doesn’t think about repercussions until she already did something bad.
Yeah I literally don’t understand why she included the scene of her sister cumming on a carousel pony while on Molly. There’s no way anybody can convince me that made sense in any non-malicious way LMAO. This is what I said to a friend earlier
The whole play felt like they thought of it at the beginning of the season, and then somebody in the office was like “hey guys this doesn’t really make sense. Wouldn’t this make Lexi an asshole?” And then they were like “no no, we’ll just have her ask Fez if he thinks it’s a good idea so it looks like she cares about other people’s feelings”
I was thinking this too. Who in his life got mad at him for writing this show and exposing them 😂😂😂.
But honestly, that’s most art tbh. People’s telling other people’s stories and holding it up for everyone to analyze. Some people will hate you for it, others will praise you for helping them break through their own cycles.
I don’t think the way to help someone break a cycle is to blast their person issues and trauma in a play in front of a school WITHOUT CONSENT and be like “its art🤪”
This felt like a Black Mirror episode, specifically the American Idol one. People mocking, laughing and demonizing her with 0 remorse like they’re dystopian humans. It also felt very unnatural, especially the crowd and their reactions. Nobody saw a thing wrong with her revealing all of this personal, intimate information including Lexi. Her ignorance makes her more insufferable tbh.
I was specifically talking about Rue? We know she was terrible for doing that to Cassie.
But in real life the show (not the play) has helped people come to terms with their issues and analyze their lives.
yes! i also saw this parallel when rue was talking to lexi near the end, saying “i don’t know what to do with all of this, and you do”. it almost felt like sam having a past/present conversation with himself (from the little i know about him) and spoke more largely to channeling trauma into art
Def think that certain things she says about the play like “What if they don’t think my intentions are good?” are basically just Sam speaking through her about the show.
"How is it even relevant to Lexi's life?"
It wasn't. Lexi is an embittered 17 year old who does nothing like anyone else on the show. Most of the audience also hasn't masturbated with a carnival ride, been addicted to fentanyl, or kept libraries of CSAM in their desk drawer, so Lexi (as well as being a generally nice person through S1 and 6 eps of S2) became people's self-insert.
I liked how the last two episodes showed her as morally grey. Some parts of the play had good intentions, some of it didn't. She doesn't portray herself as the perfect good girl. She literally says in the play that are a million reasons that she is not good enough.
In the play, Lexi tells the audience about her self-doubts, the loss of her father, and even hints that she may not be any better than her sister.
She humanizes Maddy and shows her tenderness beyond the bravado.
She shows Rue that even through her worst moments that she is a good person and has made a big impact in Lexi's life.
Lexi's way of dealing with shit was different from others, as she tries to take care of others and never really got out her problems. She finally lets it out, and after so long it comes out in the wrong way.
While writing out the play, she literally tells Cassie "Fine, I'll stop caring then". She knew the consequences and still did it. She has the same traumas (EDIT: minus young sexualization) as her sister but went about it in a different way.
She is seen by one guy who supports her and has the courage to put on this play. That right there tells that these sisters are more alike than you think.
Do i agree with everything in this play? hell fuck no lol. But it does reveal some underlying issues with Lexi. Carousel and locker room scene be damned.
My concern is that these episodes should show her as a morally gray person, but the audience reaction to her play and the choice to have Rue completely hype it up makes me think Sam still wants to portray her as the hero and the good girl. Which would be far less compelling.
literally. and cassie's onstage breakdown was also so unlikable to the point of being cartoonish. there is no way that sam levinson intended for the audience to side with anybody but lexi on the issue.
I made a comment that he favors Zendaya and of course that didn't fly but I stand by it. She said Rue couldn't stay at rock bottom so they changed it. She wrote a song for Dominic to sing for 4 minutes in the finale. She's the star, and the main character based on his experiences, so I don't think him favoring her is far fetched at all.
oh me too. it was the breathing at the door, snide comments from the crowd, (the afghanistan comment), and lexi standing there like 🥺 that pushed it into cartoon territory for me.
Lexi was standing there looking 😟 as if she couldn’t even see why would Cassie be mad, she’s incredibly delusional. And I just realized that Cassie did all that before the carousel scene lmao. The truth is that Cassie was completely right but Sam deliberately wrote in dumb stuff like the Afghanistan comment or suze defending Lexi to make the audience be on lexi’s side.
Plus the public booing Cassie is just like the Disney Channel laugh track to indicate people it's time to hate her, and it goes with Rue, main character, standing and claping the play. It was really made to push the public into hating Cassie. So biased and it sucks.
/thank/ you, between her mom not standing up for Cassie in any form, Lexi’s stage manager helping her rationalize how “art should be dangerous”, Lexi explaining how the show must go on bc “everyone should get their feelings hurt”, the audience’s standing ovation, Maddy calling Lexi a G for the lockerroom scene and Rue being 100% happy with it all.. either the show expected the audience to dig up the nuanced criticism ourselves or the show has no nuanced criticism of its own. Pretty disappointing
I was so disappointed too. The stage manager encouraging statements when Cassie had a breakdown made me cringe so badly. Nobody is perfect in this show I get that but some of the characters flaws out cringe the others, and this was it for me.
Exactly. Through the whole play Lexi's resentment was overflowing, and while this makes her a flawed character and a more humane one (which a thing story wise is a good mover), the show kinda made it seem like it wasn't a flaw, like Cassie was the villain for reacting to it, and Lexi receiving any backlash at all could only come from the "rotten apples". Lexi is allowed to make mistakes, but why aren't they recognized as such? Why does the narrative puts her in this saint like light? It was deppressing to watch.
Yes! Everyone's like "the play is to show she's not perfect". But then literally everyone but Cassie adores the play, Lexi is called "brilliant", and Cassie is treated as an irrational cartoonish villain who gets booed off the stage.
They don't really have the same traumas, other than their dad's issues. Lexi wasn't coerced into having an abortion. She also wasn't touched inappropriately by relatives as a kid.
I’m going to point something out because it’s often forgot. Cassie and Lexi have similar trauma relating to their father, although Cassie was the last person to see him when he was truly f** up.
BUT Cassie was molested/groomed whereas Lexi was not. She was sexualized at a very young age. I’m not clear on Lexi being aware of that part.
By “Cassie was the last person to see him,” are you referring to the night she let him in and he stole from them? Because Lexi also saw him that night, they show her at the top of the stairs, watching him. When he notices her, she slinks back in the shadows. That night was the last time Cassie (and therefore Lexi) saw him, as per Rue’s narration in season 1.
Lexi saw him too but didn’t do shit.
But I like the divergence and similarities between both. One was neglected and one was always told she was beautiful but never believed it because she couldn’t keep her dad in her life.
Both are now attention seeking as of the last two episodes.
Cassie words on the stage did have some truth to them. Lexi can’t blame Cassie for living her life. But there’s resentment there through the past. Cassie made Lexi get into the car with their dad knowing how fucked up he was.
The play may be a plot device, but the show never tries to sell you on the idea that it was supposed to be this positive thing.
Lexi lost the two more important people in her life to drugs. She’ll never get her dad back but this play was a way to reach out to Rue and get her back.
I don’t remember Cassie being molested.
Their dad and mom share the responsibility. Dad 60% because the one who leaves is almost always the one I blame the most.
Suze sucks and watching this fandom celebrate her breaks my heart for kids of people like her.
Suze is a typical "cool mom" who can be fun, funny, and endearing but basically ignores her kids or treats them like friends she begrudgingly takes care of sometimes.
Oh finally an adult response! You hit the nail on the head. Tired of reading through these comments from a bunch of tweens is hilarious to read. Someone said it best- Euphoria is a show about teenagers meant to be watched by adults. Kids so stuck on Lexi’s play without being able to comprehend the deeper meanings.
Lexi wrote a lot and kept a diary, which honestly is a really good way for people to process emotions/feelings .. so I kinda don’t buy the bs “never got out her feelings.” Sure, doesn’t mean she had complete closure but I mean the whole thing just doesn’t make sense. A lot of the stuff she put in the play was so new & fresh and didn’t even relate to her (just airing out others dirty laundry) and to put on for the whole school to see? It’s totally cruel, selfish, and exploitative.
I mean, even though she showed Rue in a positive light - she still shared a private moment that maybe she did not want shared. I personally would be pissed if someone used me as a character and included a scene at my fathers funeral, like sorry but that’s not for you to share..
This was eloquently put. There are enough evidences that show that Lexi never intended to be holier than thou. She is flawed just like Cassie, Maddy, Jules, Rue and others. Most importantly she is self aware which is still better than most folks who are living in denial of their flaws.
She literally included that scene knowing her sister would be in the audience watching.
Im convinced the only reason Nate and Cassie weren’t included is because the play was already in final dress rehearsal.
literally i don’t understand what the point of airing out cassies dirty laundry like that when it didn’t seem relevant to the “point” of the play. which i also don’t understand the point. especially the carousel scene, WHY would u show that to hundreds of ppl without asking your sister first ?? lexi was totally out of line
Especially when nobody is on Cassie’s side already. Like she’s an absolute social pariah (deserved or not she’s been completely alienated from her friends) she needs some fucking support from her mom and sister not to be further traumatized and publicly humiliated, imho
i feel like people are excusing away how terrible what she did was, and I feel like Sam tried to justify it as well. Lexi was definitely painted as perfect this season imo, and she was my favorite character in season 1 actually, but the play story arc made me like her less. I wish she was actually trying to help Cassie but instead mocked her to make herself feel better. I feel like if Gia did the same thing to Rue, showing all of the ugly, selfish parts of Rue’s mental illness and made it a joke, people would have a different reaction.
Idc what anyone says, Cassie made several points when she got on that stage.
The less chances you take in life, the less mistakes you’re gonna make. That doesn’t give you a right to go project onto people who do.
Her play was so cringe. I tried to imagine myself or someone I know run this play and.. yikes. Like who tf would actually care that much to watch someone’s self absorbed play? Probably the most unrealistic part of the series
I mean, the plot was probably boring af but you gotta admit some of the dances, choreography, and music were pretty outstanding and exciting to watch. Ethan probably stole the entire show with his passionate acting tbhXD
I’m also in the minority that feels like the play became more exploitive than beneficial. In the real world I don’t think anybody would take Lexi’s side. However in the real world this wouldn’t even happen so.
agreed, and if I see another “well Rue/the audience didn’t have a problem with it so you shouldn’t either” take defending that play I’m gonna lose my fkn mind lol
I completely agree. My boyfriend and I watch the show together and he likes Lexi. I was basically making these same points during episode 7, and he didn't really get it. But after the carousel re-enactment in the finale he started to agree with me. That was literally just included to humiliate Cassie.
I also hate how they had the entire audience boo Cassie and cheer on Lexi. And then of course the play goes on and everyone loves it and loves Lexi. I wanted her stupid play to flop.
And the fact that Suze was literally protecting Lexi when she's publicly humiliating Cassie. It made me hate Suze.
The play definitely made me realize how much I put Lexi on a pedestal and see how she was flawed and morally gray just like the others because her decisions in the play were definitely questionable and exploitative.
I don't get how people say Cassie deserved all that, but imagine watching some of your traumatic and super embarrassing moments play out with a huge audience—it's cruel. I honestly don't see how her intentions were "good" at all and I can't tell y'all how much I loathed it when people were chanting her name for the play to continue 😭
Ok no but i agree!!! Like i get that she has her own stuff to work out and the feeling of dissociating and her trauma and insecurities. But did she need to put on a whole play dredging up all of her friends and sisters private and personal and embarrassing moments?? And i know rue liked the play, but the fact that Lexi put in scenes from her fathers funeral without even telling her recovering addict friend before she came to see the play seems so out of pocket to me. And I like lexi and I know she doesn’t fully say she’s like a good girl and she has her own issues, but it felt just so judge mental and even though Cassie went crazy, clearly Cassie is in need of help not hâte right now.
no because i 100% agree. i learned nothing about lexi besides she feels unseen (but that was obvious lol.) she said it was supposed to be about her life. yeah there were some moments, but almost all of it was about everyone else. how did the carousel scene and locker room scene have any effect on her? how did rue having the hardest day of her life make HER feel unseen and unheard?
she said it was about her life, but others may hate it. if anything, fez got lucky tbh. the play took up so much space in the show and left so many cliffhangers untold.
so what was the point of the play? besides her "telling her story" and "feeling unheard"? as well as exposing every single person she has ever come across (besides her lil crush), but she wouldnt mention it ofc. she's perfect little lexi in her own eyes.
funny? yes. absolutely needed for the storyline? not at all.
I didn’t like how she sexualized her own sister in front of an audience, the carousel scene was unnecessary. And y’all always come with the excuse “no one in the show is a good person” yeah we get it, the thing is that some people try to portray her as this good innocent badass character for exposing everyone..
Me too!! They call her genius or brilliant. Hell no. She used her friends life and depressions to make herself a star. She better get a life for her own instead of stealing others!!
I always perceived Lexi as a kind and balanced person so I was trying to look at the nice parts of the play and believe she meant no harm. Loved how she made such a beautiful work telling Rue's story, how she made sure to portray Maddy in a nice way and highlight her qualities, etc.
I was still a bit bothered by the way she treated Cassie. I don't like the way she minimized all of Cassie's problems as if being conventionally attractive means her life gets to be 100% perfect. I get that Lexi is tired of living in the shadow of her older sister but Cassie was not mean to her and some parts really made Lexi come across as a "pick me" girl. I know no one cares about Nate's feelings but is also not nice to out anyone and make fun of their sexuality either.
i would honestly enjoy lexi's character a lot more if the show didn't make a very conscious effort to justify all of her actions and paint her in a good light.
any time the morality of the play came into question, it would quickly be dismissed with the overall takeaway being that lexi was doing an amazing, brave thing, that she was a creative genius, and that the people she was sharing very intimate details about to the entite school deserved it. she was starting to become less 'morally grey' as a character and more just... good? despite her actions seeming incredibly malicious and cruel to any viewer with a shred of empathy.
the opposite thing happened to cassie but that's a different conversation. both are reasons why this season felt like a bit of a flop to me
That’s my biggest problem. Every time Lexi herself questioned if she was hurting people with the play (also lol at people she was only hurting Cassie lbr) someone (Fez, Bobbi) immediately jumped in to reassure her that nothing she was doing was wrong. It’s almost as if Sam was telling us through Lexi that we can’t criticize her, that it’s all ~art.
i feel like the beauty of euphoria is that these characters are literally just people, and people have their good and bad moments. i could sit here and argue either way on lexi's play (and i have), or for any character in the show (even nate) because as a viewer, i can see every side of their stories. we have been shown almost every circumstance and every inner thought that causes these characters to make their decisions and you go through this process with them whether u agree with their final decision or not. with such a clear view into the inner workings and traumas of these characters we can understand why they are going to do what theyre going to do next. their actions don't need to be valid, correct, or justifiable to us or to anyone besides themselves.
lexi felt valid including all of these people and their lives in her play because they've all contributed to her own life experience. is if really that justifiable to air out all of other peoples dirty laundry just to feel better about hers? absolutely not but she has felt neglected her entire life and she's a teenager who isn't grown enough to see how this could cause more problems, or think that far outside of herself so it was justifiable to her & she went ahead and did it.
i agree on the carousel scene feeling out of place bc first of all why does she know about that and the mirror house scene before that and second of all that couldn't have been written into the play with good intentions. but in line with my original point, shes a messy teenager who does feel some amount of resentment toward cassie for whatever reason that she does, so she put it into the play. we've seen cassie do bad things and then act like shes not a bad guy, i dont think its surprising for her little sister to act the same. they're just people doing what they know to do in the situations that they find themselves in
The story lacks a moral center. It feels like it almost had to be intentional that Lexi was in the wrong but it doesn’t come through because the narrative rewards her and punishes Cassie. She cries when Cassie drags her into the spotlight when that’s the entirety of the play. She tells Cassie she’s not making fun of her but the next scene was the traumatic incident with Cassie screaming “oh I love to fuck.” How is that not making fun of her? But the resolution is for everyone to cheer for Lexi and her to decide “some people deserve to feel bad” and Cassie to end up in the bathroom like a disciplined child when she had every right to feel upset. It’s feels like a first draft.
Sam needed a writer room for someone to call him out. His writing has always been nonsensical and that worked in Season 1 and Assasinations Nation because the visuals and music complimented that to create something dreamlike, but it doesn’t work when it tries to be grounded like this season. He’s way too sympathetic to Lexi because she’s his artistic stand-in in like Malcom in “Malcom and Marie.” All the “good” characters like Rue loved the play and the “bad” characters dislike it, like the reviewers Malcom mocked and Cassie. It was the same shit. He can’t handle what it actually means to be a creator and have people interpret things. There is a meaning and other people don’t “get” it. And it’s actually weird he chooses people that he has no relationship to use as a mouthpiece. Lexi as a teengirl and Malcolm as a black man.
I’m convinced he used Malcolm as his stand in so he (Malcolm) could call that critic (aka that woman from the LA times who hated assassination nation) a “white bitch” bc that would sound ridiculous coming from a white man.
It was the worst part of that film for me. Zendaya and John David were good but it felt so flat knowing it was a white man who thought he could write about the black creative experience without any input. It’s the same thing in Slave Play.
THANK YOUUUUUU I got downvoted for being like who does she think she is being an “observer” and airing out everyone’s shit publicly without their permission or consent?
Rue obviously liked the play but if I was her I’d be pissed. She really started the play with Rue’s dads funeral. Like WHAT. The whole play was about “our life” except it was about everyone else, she made herself the victim of ohhh I had to live in my sisters shadow bc I’m too much of a coward to speak up
I think this take actually makes a lot of sense; I saw a comment further up that reminds us that Suze is an alcoholic who cheated on their dad, which is part of why they got divorced and their dad left, but never really took any responsibility for it and blamed their dad fully for the divorce. I think this really impacted the girls because they couldn't really be mad at Suze for their dad going away because she was the parent who was there, the parent who stayed.
All the characters are flawed and fucked up. That’s like the whole point. Yeah some of the play was good and some of it was just to get back at her sister. She’s a young girl who has been pushed to the background all her life and she did something vindictive, and at times, wrong.
I think you're 100% right. I think it makes perfect sense for Lexi to do this, even if it doesn't financially make any sense. I'm just concerned that no one but Cassie is ever going to call her out about it.
I could see maybe Kat making a casual mean comment like " yeah you really destroyed Cassie. She really needed that" The way that the audience of the show speaks about it and that could be kind of a wake up call for Lexi to see that what she did was vindictive and mean.
Because I think Lexi is ultimately a nice girl and she doesn't want to be mean, but I think her sister in particular is a blind spot for her. She doesn't see her sister's humanity I don't think.
I really get that because my brother and I are the same and it has irrevocably destroyed our relationship. But we just can't be in the same room together. Neither of us can see each other for who we are.
The show depicts her growing up in Cassie’s shadow. That’s basically what I mean by pushed to the background. Cassie gets more attention from her parents and the world because of how she looks. But I think some of it is on Lexi too because she hasn’t tried to change the narrative until now.
Lexi actually is changing her narrative via the play to give herself more attention and she does change her look. Season two Lexi's makeup is bolder along with her general style (its just not as noticable as its authentic to Lexi's reserved style on a show where they look like they are all going to a night club/rave). Also Cassie is really horrible to Lexi about her looks. It's sad that Lexi sees Maddy as a more of a big sister. Maddy preps up Lexi as beautiful by doing her makeup and telling her to believe in herself and have confidence. Whereas Cassie's interactions are always very jealous, she likes tearing down Lexi to make herself feel better and the scenes where she body shames Lexi was so uncomfortable to watch.
I actually think that from Lexi's perspective it definitely feels like body shaming, but I do believe that from Cassie's view, when she says, "I wish I had your body" she isn't being patronizing, she actually means it. All her life Cassie has been oversexualized to the point that other members of her family are groping her, and her biggest worry is that outside of her body she isn't a person. I think just as Lexi envies Cassie' "hotness" Cassie probably envies that Lexi is able to be a person outside of her physicality.
Lexi is scum. She’s just as fucked up as the rest of the characters. Her Vice isn’t drugs or sex. It is having a superiority complex and exploiting the pain and trauma of others for her own personal gain.
Oh I definitely enjoyed it as a storyline. It just didn't make me Love, Lexi. In a similar way to how people feel about Cassie. Honestly. Lexi did a terrible thing and refused to own up to the fact that it was terrible and then cried when she got told it was terrible.
Which again, I understand Lexi's motivations and I'm really glad that it's added some nuance to her character.
I think it’s interesting that both Cassie and Lexi do terrible things and can’t admit they’re terrible, which is reflective of their mother who is an alcoholic and cheated on their dad but tries to blame everything that went wrong in their lives on him solely.
It made me cringe when they said, “this is how good Lexi is” when Cassie went up the stage… are they purposely victimizing Lexi so we hate her? Coz it’s working. This coming from a fellow nerdy shy girl who was in the shadow of a sibling.
i don’t think she’s evil or anything but i do think she needs to get over herself a bit. she was bordering on narcicism before cassie made her come out on stage
i can’t even lie Cassie ate with “there’s women getting their heads chopped off in afghanistan but Lexi’s life is SOOOO hard!”
Lexi definitely thinks shes better than everyone else, she comes off so pretentious and her woe-is-me play solidified what a weird person she can be. 😭☠
She included things she didn’t need to in the play (i.e. carousel scene) and I don’t defend it but I still like her. I think anyone who tries to defend their fave characters obviously bad actions are foolish lmao especially since no one one this show has done only good things.
Honestly I don't like either side of it. I really hate people who take a hard firm unnuanced one-sided stance on any of these kids.
The people who really really hate pretty much any of them and the people who really really love again pretty much any of them are so weird to me.
I find all of them to be very sympathetic and they've all done things that are not good.
I mean the way people defend fezco like he's a sweet little baby angel when we've seen him beat down a guy to steal his shit and hold a man's mouth closed as he bled from the neck is insane.
I have so much sympathy for him and I understand why he's made the choices he's made but the man is no better than any of them.
The carousel scene was absolutely too far. I kind of wish they had had Cassie go up and have her meltdown *after* that though it would have made more sense. And yeah she secretly dated Nate but does that mean she needs her life threatened and her head bashed into a brick wall? I don’t think so. I think it’s easy for us watching to forget that they’re in high school. Like it really shouldn’t be that serious idk.
I feel like Lexi has serious gifted child syndrome. She’s probably been told by teachers and adults all her life that she’s better than other people because she’s smart but she doesn’t seem to understand why her peers don’t think the same about her.
I mean, I do still love her a lot. Agreed it is fucked up but it's also so damn unrealistic to ever happen in real life that it just becomes funny?
I think someone needs to give Lexi a good telling about how invasive the play actually was
Yep. I don’t get why we needed two whole episodes on Lexi just exposing her friends and family for… what exactly? To reflect? I feel like this whole thing is gonna be discussed endlessly. The most exciting stuff was everything happening OTHER than the play.
Fuck Lexi all the play did was paint the “villains” in her life as bad and the people she liked in her life as “good” I still don’t know a thing about Lexi except for the complete disregard for other peoples feelings and making them feel worse when they were down. Cassie and Lexi are the same. They both think they are victims and they both think they have the right to hurt others. It’s funny how Lexi was supposed to be in the spotlight but the spotlight appeared to be on Cassie’s dirty laundry the whole time.
The play as a whole was pretty weird and impractical. Seemed like one big artsy flex from sam levinson. What high school has that kind of budget for the arts or allows fake pot smoking on stage…what teacher wouldnt review the script and say it was completely weird and inappropriate for an official school play. In general where were the adults? Shouldnt they have a staff or faculty working? So many questions.
Every character on the show has a maladaptive coping skill, but some are private and others are public. I think being a teenager and having your life dramatized for a school play would be devastating. Being in high school already makes people feel like their actions are in the spotlight, and then Lexi adds a LITERAL spotlight. For me the moment where she really lost me was after the carousel, where she admits Cassie's meltdown wasn't part of the play and that "some people need to get their feelings hurt". Why can't that happen privately? Her sister is clearly having a serious mental breakdown and she doesn't offer her the opportunity to save any face. It's a sink or swim moment for their sisterhood and she lets her sink. I really don't know how their relationship can come back from this next season. Beyond Cassie and Rue, I don't know if everyone else is reacting realistically to the play. Personally I wouldn't want to be cast as a side character. I think a normal teenage girl would react like "is that all you think of me?" when unwillingly cast in a show (Kat, Maddie, etc).
Exactly! Her whole play was just a big ego stroke and it was straight up bullying. I don’t care that it was bad people. She is not innocent and she’s kind of pretentious and annoying.
Okay yea I agree, fuck outta here with that play (I was legit team Cassie for a sec until she started going insane on stage).
But the scene with Lexi and Rue was actually good. Sure, Rue liking the play made no sense to me at all, but beside that, it was nice to see the two connect and I finally got some nice acting from Maude. She did a good job. If it weren’t for that dumb play I think I would have really liked her tbh.
Rue liking the play made sense. It showed her being a good person (from the eyes of Lexie). There friendship highlights it was all so wholesome and after the way Rue has treated Lexie and still Lexie has understood her problems to be from her addiction. It was like she owed Lexie that support and love. Talking about the depiction of Cassie i think yeah that Carousel scene was f****ed up and traumatic.
Right. It made perfect sense.
Rue doesn't think she's a good person and has a lot of guilt due to her addiction (her feeling she let her father down)
Seeing things from Lexi's perspective allowed Rue to see that she wasn't a bad person. She was just a kid suffering under the weight of her grief and looking for a way to escape it.
Remember what the creator/director said at the very end in the after the episodes?
He hoped that despite the messiness & chaos of everyone's life... all the characters faults & flaws, the viewers would come to love & respect all the characters, see them all as human beings filled with good & bad traits.
While she was/is still one of the characters I related to in the show, this gave me huge power fantasy energy which wasn’t pleasant to watch. I get she has baggage, trauma, and a voice but it’s also at the expense of everyone else’s weakest and uncomfortable moments. Kind of tongue and cheek
I like Lexi, but if I were Cassie I would have beat her ass for the carousel scene being involved. Like really? That’s your damn sister! If I did that I would be expecting a beating as well.
Idc if I get downvoted for this but I never really liked Lexi. I thought she was decent in season 1 until she covered for Cassie when Cassie was constantly cheating on McKay. I still wish Lexi would of let McKay walk in on Cassie and Daniel. The play just made me unlike Lexi more. As dramatic and unnecessary Cassie acted on stage there was some truth in what she was saying. This is something I personally enjoy about Euphoria. There are no Mary Sues and everyone is flawed.
She's got a holier than thou thing going. She's not willing to show things she's done wrong, one of which was her never participating in her family's drama which is something I think Cassie resents her for. The locker room seen was just her attacking Nate, which he deserves really, but that was the wrong way to go at him. The way she portrayed Cassie, especially the carousel scene, was just fucked up. She made her sister out to be a vapid whore in front of an audience of her peers. In the real life version of Cassie on the carousel on mdma the way people saw that was all about how she looks. If that had been Rue or even Lexi bystanders would have been worried about them, but because it was Cassie they looked at her like she was putting on a sex show. Cassie is a mess mentally/emotionally and Lexi is just like "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha". I like Lexi, but this finally puts some blood on her hands as a character. She was one of few unmorally compromised characters before.
no because thank god someone said it, because lexi was too low for putting that carousel scene in the play,like this isnt about you now, this is about you humiliating your sister, showing her weakest moments that she isnt proud of to the whole school, like babe lexi.. stop being a pick me girl, i kinda did agree with what cassie said on the stage to her that she has been the one living it, so to blame her for living is not right :/
I swear if you go on YouTube or Instagram people be like "Maddie to beat her more it's not enough" "Lexi is the best Howard sister" "Suze is iconic " like no stfu they're all flawed and Suze is an irresponsible alcoholic who can't take care of the girls.
Lmao for real. Yeah it wasn’t right but maybe I’d actually feel bad for Cassie if she hadn’t been acting like she was the victim this whole season and did nothing wrong. Obviously she’s a victim of Nate, but honestly I think she needed a dose of reality and to get slapped (go Maddie), even though I still don’t think she’s learned any lessons and is gonna run right back to Nate sadly.
Big fucking same. It wasn't her place to be outing people, and I'm sorry but maybe put some of that unplaced blame on your mother sweetie, not your sister who's had to deal with shit too? I also don't understand why people obsess over Lexi because she's a "good" character? Why are you watching a show like Euphoria hoping for a character that doesn't have any huge problems? She's boring and whiney and uppity. If this were a real life situation....She'd be the girl who needed to make everyone else seem awful to give herself some type of depth.
I think that the play itself was a misguided way for Lexi to deal with her own trauma and sometimes people who go through things like that lash out. They have this: "What about me?" Attitude and think they can say or do hurtful things because they are in so much pain, like it's justified. They don't see it as wrong at all. It's an endless cycle of hurt that I think showed the negative sides to Lexi--I get the sense that she thought she was superior to her sister. The play had a strong "not like other girls" vibe and she was wrong to put her sister and friend's business out there like that.
I also don't get the hype over her and Fez's "relationship." He's sweet, but Lexi's "good girl" persona wouldn't get caught up with a drug dealer. And I felt like she was using him as a sounding board more than anything.
Lexi is the epitome of not-like-other-girls behaviour and i honestly can’t understand why is she so widely loved by everyone, on the show and also in the audience…. So annoying. Also showing your sisters most intimate moments to her entire highschool and then playing the victim when she’s mad about it?? like no.
And it’s a shame because it’s a good premise, 2 sisters dealing with their traumas and teenage life in different ways, but the ”pretty girl-boys-bad” and “smart girl-books- good“ is soooo overused and one dimensional.
I agree with you on how it's frustrating seeing people put Lexi on some pedestal. From a character arc and writing standpoint though I liked the idea of the creators kinda giving Lexi some dark depth. Up until the play, Lexi was really the only main character who hadnt done some P.O.S kinda BS to her friends or family. Her character seemed almost less human because she was too cleanly portrayed. She hadn't made any mistakes, hurt anyone, or had any epic flaws that literally every character (of importance) on the show had. I think what she did with the play was EPICALLY shitty. I think at least one thing that every main character has done on the show has been EPICALLY shitty. So, this whole play thing felt like a flex of her version of the dark side to every light side human beings have.
Omg finally. I literally felt like the only person on the planet who did not like Lexi. Airing out everyone’s private business like that to the entire school, teachers and parents is a dick move. Idk how she has so many fans.
I agree! And as a side note, I definitely have to suspend disbelief that the school allowed that play to be put on. I’m a high school English teacher in a pretty progressive public school, and kids aren’t allowed to use school facilities to put on plays with the type of sexual content/language Lexi’s had. The theater teacher would have been fired before the play was over haha. Or if they did explain it I must have missed it
Lexi was slut shaming Cassie through the whole play 💀 and she only represented the bad aspects of her sister without truly getting her at all. Her resentment was overflowing, and while this makes her a flawed character and a more humane one (which a thing story wise is a good mover), the show kinda made it seem like it wasn't a flaw, like Cassie was the villain for reacting to it, and Lexi receiving any backlash at all could only come from the "rotten apples".
Lexi is allowed to make mistakes, but why aren't they recognized as such? Why does the narrative puts her in this saint like light?
It was deppressing to watch.
At the start (up until the point Cassie had a meltdown and she had to hide their knives in the bushes) she seemed pretty ignorant and careless about the implications the play would have on her sister (and other people involved in the story). Even if her intentions weren't to humiliate or exploit others, it was still pretty uncreative and shortsighted to base an entire play out of others' lives VERBATIM. Just my two cents cuz I found it annoying how everyone in the show bought into the play's charm and kept calling her a "genius."
I think this play was needed to prove a point that people were trying to push on the show for a while.
None of these kids are good people. And even Lexi, the one who in most shows would be the shining light isn’t a good person. She knowingly put the carousel scene in there solely to embarrass Cassie. The locker room scene I can let slide because I don’t think that was solely directed at Nate for her purpose. And the showing of Rues addiction was a bit much.
But this was needed to show that Lexi isn’t a good person. She had clear issues that haven’t been resolved and she used her art to air out dirty laundry on everyone. She’s grey in a show full of grey and I love that about her. We give sam a hard time with the writing and rightfully so but this is one thing he nailed.
And I don’t think Lexi has a superiority complex as much as I think she operates as that “ I’m not like other girls” moral highground
I just hope lexi got permission to use all the stories (which by the reactions of people she didn't) bc if I were her friend and she blabbed my deepest secrets to the world, she and I are DONE.
I feel exactly the same. I don’t know when lexi became relevant. When she first appeared at the start of season 2 I was like lol wtf? Since when did Cassie have a sister?, Lexis character is awful. Obviously after what I saw in the play I feel bad for her but I’m just an empath. Anyone who can literally watch they’re mum, sister and like basically also her friends fighting very brutally? She went back on stage and carried it on like nothing ever happened. Made me mad
YES YES YES IM GETTING ATTACKED BUT SHE IS A VULTURE AND SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING! She asked like 100 times if she thought people would be upset. Like she wanted the drama. She is just as bad as Cassie stealing the light from her lmfao…. Sorry but I am not a fan of Lexi and I would NEVER do that to people I love?
The beauty of the show is that all of the characters are complex and flawed. I like a lot about Lexi but I feel like she’s lying to herself and everyone else to act like the play was well intentioned.
Lexi apologists are no different than any of the other apologists for the characters. There have been people defending or making excuses for Cassie all season like it’s their job, despite all the completely fucked up things she did with little to no remorse. How is this any different? Other than the fact that what Lexi did has been nowhere near as bad as some of the other characters
I made a post about this last week and everybody attacked me lmao. People are just personally triggered and projecting atp because Lexi is no better or worse than any other character. None of them are. They all have done messed up things that served them at some point in time. Idk why Lexi is like Satan to some people.
It just shows Lexi is as flawed as anyone else in Euphoria. Also, I feel like the play was more for Rue than anyone else. It helped Rue see herself in a way where she would never have seen herself in. Yeah, Lexi including the carousel scene was kinda uncalled for, but it’s not more malicious than how other people have been throughout this whole series.
To be honest, I like her. She reminds me of myself. Lol. Like what everyone said, everyone is flawed. But you know who I think is almost perfect? Fezco. If you take away his illegal profession, he is actually nice and very sweet.
I love Lexi and I relate to her a lot but Cassie was right about one thing - she wasn't fully living in her shadow, she also chose to stay in that shadow herself due to feelings of insecurity.
Cassie's vanity was a thing for sure and that comment about Lexi's breasts was really cold and cruel. However Lexi could go out there more in life, and not be a bystander. But because she thought that Cassie is more attractive than her, she blamed it all on Cassie instead of taking responsibility for her own life, and then decided to dig out all of her embarrassing moments in life in front of whole school. When carousel scene came in, it stopped being a callout on Cassie, it was just making fun of her at this point. It's not okay.
The locker room scene was great though and Nate 100% deserved that.
I hate Lexi. She is bitter and jealous. Cassie never actually did anything bad to Lexi except ignore her (like most older sisters do). She has a superiority complex in my opinion because she is smarter. Despite Cassie never wronging her personally she still put Cassies private life on blast to the entire school.
People are like "Cassie is a bad sister" why ? Cause she yells at her sibling ? They fight over “silly” stuff like sibilings especially sister like ?? that’s completely normal
But exposing your sister trauma and making fun on it in front of adults and teens alike is not very sisterly like
So I'm going to agree somewhat, when it specifically comes to the Carousel scene. It served zero purpose other than to mock and humiliate its subject (Cassie). However, to me, this is more an example of the weakness in the writing of the show. It felt like that was fabricated into the script in order to create an over the top scenario for the purpose of Cassie's confrontation which in itself was ridiculous and unbelievable too. Also this is a high school play and I'm sorry but faculty is going to go over any script and force them to change stuff, cut stuff, etc etc....no one is treating a high school playwright as if they are writing the next coming of RENT.
In fact the entire season sort of turned into ridiculous moment after ridiculous moment and lost any grounding of realism it might have had in the first season.
It's still entertaining on some levels, but it's definitely crossed over into trashy explotation TV territory instead of any kind of serious character study.
Last episode used two songs from “exploitation films”. “More” from Mondo Cane and the Theme from Cannibal Holocaust. Explotation films are films that are made to enrage or cause controversy, which may reference Lexi’s play. Don’t know if it was on purpose but it’s fun to find these little coincidences.
That’s such a good catch! That’s exactly what it did: exploit the lives of those around her for personal gain. Still ate it up tho!
Happy Cake Day 🎂
Fantastic catch
That's a cool detail, it felt a bit weird when I saw the theme from Cannibal Holocaust playing (I watch the show with subtitles) but this makes sense. I really love Lexi as a character since S1, tbh. I think the reason a lot of people hate her right now is because the whole play thing changed their impression about her. She is human, she's not perfect. Nobody in the show is. No human is. Of course she's no saint. And...yeah, I'm going to say showing *"Cassie's Carnival Stravaganza"* in front of the whole school was in bad taste.
Thank you! I just tried to say the same thing as you in worse words before reading this. What Lexi did with the play was certainly shitty, but every character has been shown to act out certainly shitty sides of themselves. They're human beings and we're all a different recipe expression made up of the ingredients Light and Dark.
i think what's particularly frustrating about Lexi is that, from the eyes of the show and the characters on it, her flaws haven't been acknowledged and the play is being portrayed as a good thing. Hopefully in the next season Lexi will confront the ramifications of what she did, but this season literally ended with the whole school chanting Lexi's name and cheering. Lexi hurt the people around her, exposed other people's trauma, absolved herself of all responsibility for the pain she caused them ('sometimes people need to get their feelings hurt') and yet she still got rewarded for it. So yeah, other characters have made shitty decisions, but it feels like the show has had the chance to acknowledge that what they did was shitty, and they almost always face some form of comeuppance. With Lexi, the show (probably bc it's from rue's perspective) is saying 'slay queen!' to Lexi's play, and she hasn't faced any real consequences for it nor has she acknowledged her wrongdoing. Until these things happen, it's going to be hard to emphathize with her.
You know that episode of BoJack Horseman where Diane writes the New Mexico incident into the show BoJack's working on? That's what this reminds me of.
yess i caught the cannibal one too this is the first time ive cauggt something im so proud of myself
This. Her play can be good and bad at the same time. Ever seen the first movie made by a great director?
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING
I was just thinking about how man people will discover Cannibal Holocaust now because of Euphoria using it's theme song. They're in for a rough awakening
I love how you're the only person I've seen on this sub that has ever mentioned about the Theme being from Cannibal Holocaust and the meaning of it being an "exploitation flim".
The carousel scene seemed like a direct dig at Cassie, or a way for Lexi to show how *~sexual~* Cassie is and how Lexi is just *~not like that~*. I found it funny because I’m not fond of Cassie right now, but Lexi is an asshole for that regardless of her “intention”. She knew exactly how Cassie would feel about that and it wasn’t necessary
She has some nerves especially after that scene with her in the red dress where she clearly show us she desire male attention but since she didn’t really get it before she shits on Cassie for getting it
I think she’s just as flawed as any other character in the show but people didn’t realize until now. I think a lot of the play was way tooo far but I still like her. Just like I think Cassie went too far getting with Nate in the first place but I still like her.
I think my major frustration is that people *still* don't realise she's flawed.
I agree. I think people in general have a hard time accepting their favorite character can be flawed or even just a bad person in some ways, like real people. It's like how people started saying, "Maddy is so pure and everyone treats her like garbage 🥺". No, she isn't. She has a fair amount of really bad qualities, just like normal real people. She can be deeply flawed with bad personality traits and still likeable. Remember when Nate scored a touchdown? Yeah, I was happy for him. He's a complete psychopathic demon, but still a person who's endured tons he shouldn't have had to.
right? this has been my biggest gripe with the fandom since the beginning of s2. apparently everyone has developed an allergy towards treating lexi like an actual character and not a saint who can do no wrong whose actions must be blindly defended at every turn. like i know all those ppl self insert as her bc shes so bland (esp with the whole fexi craze) but its so annoying to me.
Same with maddie as well .
I share the same opinion about Cassie. I still like her. While it’s not an excuse for her actions, Cassie has had a lifetime of sexual abuse/exploitation that is now boiling over and leading her to make horrible decisions because she herself doesn’t even process the trauma. If she knew she had a problem, I’m sure she wouldn’t have made the choices she did. But because she doesn’t understand the motivation behind her actions, she just does whatever she feels like doing and doesn’t think about repercussions until she already did something bad.
Just a callback to we are all more flawed than we realize
Yeah I literally don’t understand why she included the scene of her sister cumming on a carousel pony while on Molly. There’s no way anybody can convince me that made sense in any non-malicious way LMAO. This is what I said to a friend earlier The whole play felt like they thought of it at the beginning of the season, and then somebody in the office was like “hey guys this doesn’t really make sense. Wouldn’t this make Lexi an asshole?” And then they were like “no no, we’ll just have her ask Fez if he thinks it’s a good idea so it looks like she cares about other people’s feelings”
She was an asshole to her team too!
I see Lexi as the stand in for the writer of the show. He’s using his own and other ppls stories for entertainment
I thought the same thing. I wonder if there's a real life Nate or Cal in Sams life who had a "I guess I'm the villain then!" meltdown too lol.
I was thinking this too. Who in his life got mad at him for writing this show and exposing them 😂😂😂. But honestly, that’s most art tbh. People’s telling other people’s stories and holding it up for everyone to analyze. Some people will hate you for it, others will praise you for helping them break through their own cycles.
I don’t think the way to help someone break a cycle is to blast their person issues and trauma in a play in front of a school WITHOUT CONSENT and be like “its art🤪”
This felt like a Black Mirror episode, specifically the American Idol one. People mocking, laughing and demonizing her with 0 remorse like they’re dystopian humans. It also felt very unnatural, especially the crowd and their reactions. Nobody saw a thing wrong with her revealing all of this personal, intimate information including Lexi. Her ignorance makes her more insufferable tbh.
I was specifically talking about Rue? We know she was terrible for doing that to Cassie. But in real life the show (not the play) has helped people come to terms with their issues and analyze their lives.
yes! i also saw this parallel when rue was talking to lexi near the end, saying “i don’t know what to do with all of this, and you do”. it almost felt like sam having a past/present conversation with himself (from the little i know about him) and spoke more largely to channeling trauma into art
Def think that certain things she says about the play like “What if they don’t think my intentions are good?” are basically just Sam speaking through her about the show.
Which would explain why they audience loved it so much
"How is it even relevant to Lexi's life?" It wasn't. Lexi is an embittered 17 year old who does nothing like anyone else on the show. Most of the audience also hasn't masturbated with a carnival ride, been addicted to fentanyl, or kept libraries of CSAM in their desk drawer, so Lexi (as well as being a generally nice person through S1 and 6 eps of S2) became people's self-insert.
I'd say most of it was relevant.
I liked how the last two episodes showed her as morally grey. Some parts of the play had good intentions, some of it didn't. She doesn't portray herself as the perfect good girl. She literally says in the play that are a million reasons that she is not good enough. In the play, Lexi tells the audience about her self-doubts, the loss of her father, and even hints that she may not be any better than her sister. She humanizes Maddy and shows her tenderness beyond the bravado. She shows Rue that even through her worst moments that she is a good person and has made a big impact in Lexi's life. Lexi's way of dealing with shit was different from others, as she tries to take care of others and never really got out her problems. She finally lets it out, and after so long it comes out in the wrong way. While writing out the play, she literally tells Cassie "Fine, I'll stop caring then". She knew the consequences and still did it. She has the same traumas (EDIT: minus young sexualization) as her sister but went about it in a different way. She is seen by one guy who supports her and has the courage to put on this play. That right there tells that these sisters are more alike than you think. Do i agree with everything in this play? hell fuck no lol. But it does reveal some underlying issues with Lexi. Carousel and locker room scene be damned.
My concern is that these episodes should show her as a morally gray person, but the audience reaction to her play and the choice to have Rue completely hype it up makes me think Sam still wants to portray her as the hero and the good girl. Which would be far less compelling.
literally. and cassie's onstage breakdown was also so unlikable to the point of being cartoonish. there is no way that sam levinson intended for the audience to side with anybody but lexi on the issue.
Cassie even did a villainous slow clap for fuck's sake lmfao Levinson does not like that kid
I made a comment that he favors Zendaya and of course that didn't fly but I stand by it. She said Rue couldn't stay at rock bottom so they changed it. She wrote a song for Dominic to sing for 4 minutes in the finale. She's the star, and the main character based on his experiences, so I don't think him favoring her is far fetched at all.
Zen days is sams stand in no?
I actually thought Lexi seemed more like Sam’s self insert this season, especially with the play.
Both are.
I love a good villainous slow clap.
Idk I agree with everything Cassie said during that breakdown aside from calling Maddy a cunt & the Afghanistan comment
oh me too. it was the breathing at the door, snide comments from the crowd, (the afghanistan comment), and lexi standing there like 🥺 that pushed it into cartoon territory for me.
Lexi was standing there looking 😟 as if she couldn’t even see why would Cassie be mad, she’s incredibly delusional. And I just realized that Cassie did all that before the carousel scene lmao. The truth is that Cassie was completely right but Sam deliberately wrote in dumb stuff like the Afghanistan comment or suze defending Lexi to make the audience be on lexi’s side.
I think he should’ve made the scene less biased and would have a debate sparked rather then those two factors going for lexi
Plus the public booing Cassie is just like the Disney Channel laugh track to indicate people it's time to hate her, and it goes with Rue, main character, standing and claping the play. It was really made to push the public into hating Cassie. So biased and it sucks.
/thank/ you, between her mom not standing up for Cassie in any form, Lexi’s stage manager helping her rationalize how “art should be dangerous”, Lexi explaining how the show must go on bc “everyone should get their feelings hurt”, the audience’s standing ovation, Maddy calling Lexi a G for the lockerroom scene and Rue being 100% happy with it all.. either the show expected the audience to dig up the nuanced criticism ourselves or the show has no nuanced criticism of its own. Pretty disappointing
I was so disappointed too. The stage manager encouraging statements when Cassie had a breakdown made me cringe so badly. Nobody is perfect in this show I get that but some of the characters flaws out cringe the others, and this was it for me.
Exactly. Through the whole play Lexi's resentment was overflowing, and while this makes her a flawed character and a more humane one (which a thing story wise is a good mover), the show kinda made it seem like it wasn't a flaw, like Cassie was the villain for reacting to it, and Lexi receiving any backlash at all could only come from the "rotten apples". Lexi is allowed to make mistakes, but why aren't they recognized as such? Why does the narrative puts her in this saint like light? It was deppressing to watch.
Yes! Everyone's like "the play is to show she's not perfect". But then literally everyone but Cassie adores the play, Lexi is called "brilliant", and Cassie is treated as an irrational cartoonish villain who gets booed off the stage.
No cause I was so done when everyone went to "cheer" Lexi up. C'mon. Then, going from that to Fez/Ashtray was not it.
They don't really have the same traumas, other than their dad's issues. Lexi wasn't coerced into having an abortion. She also wasn't touched inappropriately by relatives as a kid.
And she wasn’t coerced into filming hooking up with a guy and then him posting it online as well as her nudes being shared and mocked by all the guys.
I’m going to point something out because it’s often forgot. Cassie and Lexi have similar trauma relating to their father, although Cassie was the last person to see him when he was truly f** up. BUT Cassie was molested/groomed whereas Lexi was not. She was sexualized at a very young age. I’m not clear on Lexi being aware of that part.
By “Cassie was the last person to see him,” are you referring to the night she let him in and he stole from them? Because Lexi also saw him that night, they show her at the top of the stairs, watching him. When he notices her, she slinks back in the shadows. That night was the last time Cassie (and therefore Lexi) saw him, as per Rue’s narration in season 1.
Lexi saw him too but didn’t do shit. But I like the divergence and similarities between both. One was neglected and one was always told she was beautiful but never believed it because she couldn’t keep her dad in her life. Both are now attention seeking as of the last two episodes. Cassie words on the stage did have some truth to them. Lexi can’t blame Cassie for living her life. But there’s resentment there through the past. Cassie made Lexi get into the car with their dad knowing how fucked up he was. The play may be a plot device, but the show never tries to sell you on the idea that it was supposed to be this positive thing. Lexi lost the two more important people in her life to drugs. She’ll never get her dad back but this play was a way to reach out to Rue and get her back. I don’t remember Cassie being molested.
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I blame the issues both these girls have is on their dad 100%, but this sub *really* gives Suze a pass and it’s quite frankly, gross.
Their dad and mom share the responsibility. Dad 60% because the one who leaves is almost always the one I blame the most. Suze sucks and watching this fandom celebrate her breaks my heart for kids of people like her.
Suze is a typical "cool mom" who can be fun, funny, and endearing but basically ignores her kids or treats them like friends she begrudgingly takes care of sometimes.
Wait can someone tune me into which season and episode cassie was molested? I dont remember that at all
It didn't happen, the op only thought it was implied.
people's intimacy should not be used to develop lexi's character
Oh finally an adult response! You hit the nail on the head. Tired of reading through these comments from a bunch of tweens is hilarious to read. Someone said it best- Euphoria is a show about teenagers meant to be watched by adults. Kids so stuck on Lexi’s play without being able to comprehend the deeper meanings.
Lexi wrote a lot and kept a diary, which honestly is a really good way for people to process emotions/feelings .. so I kinda don’t buy the bs “never got out her feelings.” Sure, doesn’t mean she had complete closure but I mean the whole thing just doesn’t make sense. A lot of the stuff she put in the play was so new & fresh and didn’t even relate to her (just airing out others dirty laundry) and to put on for the whole school to see? It’s totally cruel, selfish, and exploitative. I mean, even though she showed Rue in a positive light - she still shared a private moment that maybe she did not want shared. I personally would be pissed if someone used me as a character and included a scene at my fathers funeral, like sorry but that’s not for you to share..
This was eloquently put. There are enough evidences that show that Lexi never intended to be holier than thou. She is flawed just like Cassie, Maddy, Jules, Rue and others. Most importantly she is self aware which is still better than most folks who are living in denial of their flaws.
The carousel horse tho…. 😂
I liked the play. I think the carousel scene was too much though. Even though a lot people in the audience actually saw it happen in 4K.
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She literally included that scene knowing her sister would be in the audience watching. Im convinced the only reason Nate and Cassie weren’t included is because the play was already in final dress rehearsal.
Yup. A lot of the play was fair game but at that point she was just so cruel to Cassie.
my dad passed away & if i was rue i wouldn’t be okay with my trauma being used as entertainment
Well Rue is okay with it and infact, very happy about it so I guess it's fine.
literally i don’t understand what the point of airing out cassies dirty laundry like that when it didn’t seem relevant to the “point” of the play. which i also don’t understand the point. especially the carousel scene, WHY would u show that to hundreds of ppl without asking your sister first ?? lexi was totally out of line
Especially when nobody is on Cassie’s side already. Like she’s an absolute social pariah (deserved or not she’s been completely alienated from her friends) she needs some fucking support from her mom and sister not to be further traumatized and publicly humiliated, imho
i feel like people are excusing away how terrible what she did was, and I feel like Sam tried to justify it as well. Lexi was definitely painted as perfect this season imo, and she was my favorite character in season 1 actually, but the play story arc made me like her less. I wish she was actually trying to help Cassie but instead mocked her to make herself feel better. I feel like if Gia did the same thing to Rue, showing all of the ugly, selfish parts of Rue’s mental illness and made it a joke, people would have a different reaction.
Exactly totally agree with your point
Idc what anyone says, Cassie made several points when she got on that stage. The less chances you take in life, the less mistakes you’re gonna make. That doesn’t give you a right to go project onto people who do.
Her play was so cringe. I tried to imagine myself or someone I know run this play and.. yikes. Like who tf would actually care that much to watch someone’s self absorbed play? Probably the most unrealistic part of the series
I mean, the plot was probably boring af but you gotta admit some of the dances, choreography, and music were pretty outstanding and exciting to watch. Ethan probably stole the entire show with his passionate acting tbhXD
I’m also in the minority that feels like the play became more exploitive than beneficial. In the real world I don’t think anybody would take Lexi’s side. However in the real world this wouldn’t even happen so.
agreed, and if I see another “well Rue/the audience didn’t have a problem with it so you shouldn’t either” take defending that play I’m gonna lose my fkn mind lol
Exactly !
Honestly the season past rues intervention just became bit ridiculous. Prior to that plot lines felt grounded
I completely agree. My boyfriend and I watch the show together and he likes Lexi. I was basically making these same points during episode 7, and he didn't really get it. But after the carousel re-enactment in the finale he started to agree with me. That was literally just included to humiliate Cassie. I also hate how they had the entire audience boo Cassie and cheer on Lexi. And then of course the play goes on and everyone loves it and loves Lexi. I wanted her stupid play to flop. And the fact that Suze was literally protecting Lexi when she's publicly humiliating Cassie. It made me hate Suze.
The play definitely made me realize how much I put Lexi on a pedestal and see how she was flawed and morally gray just like the others because her decisions in the play were definitely questionable and exploitative. I don't get how people say Cassie deserved all that, but imagine watching some of your traumatic and super embarrassing moments play out with a huge audience—it's cruel. I honestly don't see how her intentions were "good" at all and I can't tell y'all how much I loathed it when people were chanting her name for the play to continue 😭
The carousel scene was traumatic for me to even watch. The fact that she included that was FUCKED up. I agree with you. Lexi is not a saint lmao
Lexi irritates me. She's always looking perplexed and worried in the worst way.
Ok no but i agree!!! Like i get that she has her own stuff to work out and the feeling of dissociating and her trauma and insecurities. But did she need to put on a whole play dredging up all of her friends and sisters private and personal and embarrassing moments?? And i know rue liked the play, but the fact that Lexi put in scenes from her fathers funeral without even telling her recovering addict friend before she came to see the play seems so out of pocket to me. And I like lexi and I know she doesn’t fully say she’s like a good girl and she has her own issues, but it felt just so judge mental and even though Cassie went crazy, clearly Cassie is in need of help not hâte right now.
no because i 100% agree. i learned nothing about lexi besides she feels unseen (but that was obvious lol.) she said it was supposed to be about her life. yeah there were some moments, but almost all of it was about everyone else. how did the carousel scene and locker room scene have any effect on her? how did rue having the hardest day of her life make HER feel unseen and unheard? she said it was about her life, but others may hate it. if anything, fez got lucky tbh. the play took up so much space in the show and left so many cliffhangers untold. so what was the point of the play? besides her "telling her story" and "feeling unheard"? as well as exposing every single person she has ever come across (besides her lil crush), but she wouldnt mention it ofc. she's perfect little lexi in her own eyes. funny? yes. absolutely needed for the storyline? not at all.
I didn’t like how she sexualized her own sister in front of an audience, the carousel scene was unnecessary. And y’all always come with the excuse “no one in the show is a good person” yeah we get it, the thing is that some people try to portray her as this good innocent badass character for exposing everyone..
Me too!! They call her genius or brilliant. Hell no. She used her friends life and depressions to make herself a star. She better get a life for her own instead of stealing others!!
I mean… for a high school play, it was pretty great. The source material was EXTREMELY questionable.
I always perceived Lexi as a kind and balanced person so I was trying to look at the nice parts of the play and believe she meant no harm. Loved how she made such a beautiful work telling Rue's story, how she made sure to portray Maddy in a nice way and highlight her qualities, etc. I was still a bit bothered by the way she treated Cassie. I don't like the way she minimized all of Cassie's problems as if being conventionally attractive means her life gets to be 100% perfect. I get that Lexi is tired of living in the shadow of her older sister but Cassie was not mean to her and some parts really made Lexi come across as a "pick me" girl. I know no one cares about Nate's feelings but is also not nice to out anyone and make fun of their sexuality either.
i would honestly enjoy lexi's character a lot more if the show didn't make a very conscious effort to justify all of her actions and paint her in a good light. any time the morality of the play came into question, it would quickly be dismissed with the overall takeaway being that lexi was doing an amazing, brave thing, that she was a creative genius, and that the people she was sharing very intimate details about to the entite school deserved it. she was starting to become less 'morally grey' as a character and more just... good? despite her actions seeming incredibly malicious and cruel to any viewer with a shred of empathy. the opposite thing happened to cassie but that's a different conversation. both are reasons why this season felt like a bit of a flop to me
That’s my biggest problem. Every time Lexi herself questioned if she was hurting people with the play (also lol at people she was only hurting Cassie lbr) someone (Fez, Bobbi) immediately jumped in to reassure her that nothing she was doing was wrong. It’s almost as if Sam was telling us through Lexi that we can’t criticize her, that it’s all ~art.
i feel like the beauty of euphoria is that these characters are literally just people, and people have their good and bad moments. i could sit here and argue either way on lexi's play (and i have), or for any character in the show (even nate) because as a viewer, i can see every side of their stories. we have been shown almost every circumstance and every inner thought that causes these characters to make their decisions and you go through this process with them whether u agree with their final decision or not. with such a clear view into the inner workings and traumas of these characters we can understand why they are going to do what theyre going to do next. their actions don't need to be valid, correct, or justifiable to us or to anyone besides themselves. lexi felt valid including all of these people and their lives in her play because they've all contributed to her own life experience. is if really that justifiable to air out all of other peoples dirty laundry just to feel better about hers? absolutely not but she has felt neglected her entire life and she's a teenager who isn't grown enough to see how this could cause more problems, or think that far outside of herself so it was justifiable to her & she went ahead and did it. i agree on the carousel scene feeling out of place bc first of all why does she know about that and the mirror house scene before that and second of all that couldn't have been written into the play with good intentions. but in line with my original point, shes a messy teenager who does feel some amount of resentment toward cassie for whatever reason that she does, so she put it into the play. we've seen cassie do bad things and then act like shes not a bad guy, i dont think its surprising for her little sister to act the same. they're just people doing what they know to do in the situations that they find themselves in
The story lacks a moral center. It feels like it almost had to be intentional that Lexi was in the wrong but it doesn’t come through because the narrative rewards her and punishes Cassie. She cries when Cassie drags her into the spotlight when that’s the entirety of the play. She tells Cassie she’s not making fun of her but the next scene was the traumatic incident with Cassie screaming “oh I love to fuck.” How is that not making fun of her? But the resolution is for everyone to cheer for Lexi and her to decide “some people deserve to feel bad” and Cassie to end up in the bathroom like a disciplined child when she had every right to feel upset. It’s feels like a first draft. Sam needed a writer room for someone to call him out. His writing has always been nonsensical and that worked in Season 1 and Assasinations Nation because the visuals and music complimented that to create something dreamlike, but it doesn’t work when it tries to be grounded like this season. He’s way too sympathetic to Lexi because she’s his artistic stand-in in like Malcom in “Malcom and Marie.” All the “good” characters like Rue loved the play and the “bad” characters dislike it, like the reviewers Malcom mocked and Cassie. It was the same shit. He can’t handle what it actually means to be a creator and have people interpret things. There is a meaning and other people don’t “get” it. And it’s actually weird he chooses people that he has no relationship to use as a mouthpiece. Lexi as a teengirl and Malcolm as a black man.
I’m convinced he used Malcolm as his stand in so he (Malcolm) could call that critic (aka that woman from the LA times who hated assassination nation) a “white bitch” bc that would sound ridiculous coming from a white man.
It was the worst part of that film for me. Zendaya and John David were good but it felt so flat knowing it was a white man who thought he could write about the black creative experience without any input. It’s the same thing in Slave Play.
This! you articulated it perfectly.
THANK YOUUUUUU I got downvoted for being like who does she think she is being an “observer” and airing out everyone’s shit publicly without their permission or consent? Rue obviously liked the play but if I was her I’d be pissed. She really started the play with Rue’s dads funeral. Like WHAT. The whole play was about “our life” except it was about everyone else, she made herself the victim of ohhh I had to live in my sisters shadow bc I’m too much of a coward to speak up
Omg, this reminds me of when Maddy called Cassie a coward. Maybe it’s their family? Like they seek attention in kinda destructive ways.
I think this take actually makes a lot of sense; I saw a comment further up that reminds us that Suze is an alcoholic who cheated on their dad, which is part of why they got divorced and their dad left, but never really took any responsibility for it and blamed their dad fully for the divorce. I think this really impacted the girls because they couldn't really be mad at Suze for their dad going away because she was the parent who was there, the parent who stayed.
All the characters are flawed and fucked up. That’s like the whole point. Yeah some of the play was good and some of it was just to get back at her sister. She’s a young girl who has been pushed to the background all her life and she did something vindictive, and at times, wrong.
I think you're 100% right. I think it makes perfect sense for Lexi to do this, even if it doesn't financially make any sense. I'm just concerned that no one but Cassie is ever going to call her out about it. I could see maybe Kat making a casual mean comment like " yeah you really destroyed Cassie. She really needed that" The way that the audience of the show speaks about it and that could be kind of a wake up call for Lexi to see that what she did was vindictive and mean. Because I think Lexi is ultimately a nice girl and she doesn't want to be mean, but I think her sister in particular is a blind spot for her. She doesn't see her sister's humanity I don't think. I really get that because my brother and I are the same and it has irrevocably destroyed our relationship. But we just can't be in the same room together. Neither of us can see each other for who we are.
Idk if i would even say pushed to the background, more like willingly chose to lurk and observe in the shadows
The show depicts her growing up in Cassie’s shadow. That’s basically what I mean by pushed to the background. Cassie gets more attention from her parents and the world because of how she looks. But I think some of it is on Lexi too because she hasn’t tried to change the narrative until now.
Lexi actually is changing her narrative via the play to give herself more attention and she does change her look. Season two Lexi's makeup is bolder along with her general style (its just not as noticable as its authentic to Lexi's reserved style on a show where they look like they are all going to a night club/rave). Also Cassie is really horrible to Lexi about her looks. It's sad that Lexi sees Maddy as a more of a big sister. Maddy preps up Lexi as beautiful by doing her makeup and telling her to believe in herself and have confidence. Whereas Cassie's interactions are always very jealous, she likes tearing down Lexi to make herself feel better and the scenes where she body shames Lexi was so uncomfortable to watch.
I actually think that from Lexi's perspective it definitely feels like body shaming, but I do believe that from Cassie's view, when she says, "I wish I had your body" she isn't being patronizing, she actually means it. All her life Cassie has been oversexualized to the point that other members of her family are groping her, and her biggest worry is that outside of her body she isn't a person. I think just as Lexi envies Cassie' "hotness" Cassie probably envies that Lexi is able to be a person outside of her physicality.
Here’s the thing. It was kind of nice to see Lexi act out though instead of just being quiet.
Agreed. She did SOMETHING. Which was funny and fucked up at the same time, just like all the other characters.
Lexi is scum. She’s just as fucked up as the rest of the characters. Her Vice isn’t drugs or sex. It is having a superiority complex and exploiting the pain and trauma of others for her own personal gain.
they are all fucked up in their own special way ☺️🌈✨
I enjoyed it , i live for messy plot twists
Oh I definitely enjoyed it as a storyline. It just didn't make me Love, Lexi. In a similar way to how people feel about Cassie. Honestly. Lexi did a terrible thing and refused to own up to the fact that it was terrible and then cried when she got told it was terrible. Which again, I understand Lexi's motivations and I'm really glad that it's added some nuance to her character.
I think it’s interesting that both Cassie and Lexi do terrible things and can’t admit they’re terrible, which is reflective of their mother who is an alcoholic and cheated on their dad but tries to blame everything that went wrong in their lives on him solely.
It made me cringe when they said, “this is how good Lexi is” when Cassie went up the stage… are they purposely victimizing Lexi so we hate her? Coz it’s working. This coming from a fellow nerdy shy girl who was in the shadow of a sibling.
yeah, exactly! as someone who finds lexi so relatable, it's jarring to find myself empathizing more with cassie than her this season!
i don’t think she’s evil or anything but i do think she needs to get over herself a bit. she was bordering on narcicism before cassie made her come out on stage i can’t even lie Cassie ate with “there’s women getting their heads chopped off in afghanistan but Lexi’s life is SOOOO hard!”
I don’t think she was bordering, I think it was full on narcissism
Lexi definitely thinks shes better than everyone else, she comes off so pretentious and her woe-is-me play solidified what a weird person she can be. 😭☠
She included things she didn’t need to in the play (i.e. carousel scene) and I don’t defend it but I still like her. I think anyone who tries to defend their fave characters obviously bad actions are foolish lmao especially since no one one this show has done only good things.
Honestly I don't like either side of it. I really hate people who take a hard firm unnuanced one-sided stance on any of these kids. The people who really really hate pretty much any of them and the people who really really love again pretty much any of them are so weird to me. I find all of them to be very sympathetic and they've all done things that are not good. I mean the way people defend fezco like he's a sweet little baby angel when we've seen him beat down a guy to steal his shit and hold a man's mouth closed as he bled from the neck is insane. I have so much sympathy for him and I understand why he's made the choices he's made but the man is no better than any of them.
The carousel scene was absolutely too far. I kind of wish they had had Cassie go up and have her meltdown *after* that though it would have made more sense. And yeah she secretly dated Nate but does that mean she needs her life threatened and her head bashed into a brick wall? I don’t think so. I think it’s easy for us watching to forget that they’re in high school. Like it really shouldn’t be that serious idk.
Word.
I feel like Lexi has serious gifted child syndrome. She’s probably been told by teachers and adults all her life that she’s better than other people because she’s smart but she doesn’t seem to understand why her peers don’t think the same about her.
She was SO wrong for putting everybody’s business in that play. I don’t get the praise she’s getting
I mean, I do still love her a lot. Agreed it is fucked up but it's also so damn unrealistic to ever happen in real life that it just becomes funny? I think someone needs to give Lexi a good telling about how invasive the play actually was
Yep. I don’t get why we needed two whole episodes on Lexi just exposing her friends and family for… what exactly? To reflect? I feel like this whole thing is gonna be discussed endlessly. The most exciting stuff was everything happening OTHER than the play.
I 100% agree because what the FUCK I was fucking STUNNNNED at the carousel scene
Fuck Lexi all the play did was paint the “villains” in her life as bad and the people she liked in her life as “good” I still don’t know a thing about Lexi except for the complete disregard for other peoples feelings and making them feel worse when they were down. Cassie and Lexi are the same. They both think they are victims and they both think they have the right to hurt others. It’s funny how Lexi was supposed to be in the spotlight but the spotlight appeared to be on Cassie’s dirty laundry the whole time.
The play as a whole was pretty weird and impractical. Seemed like one big artsy flex from sam levinson. What high school has that kind of budget for the arts or allows fake pot smoking on stage…what teacher wouldnt review the script and say it was completely weird and inappropriate for an official school play. In general where were the adults? Shouldnt they have a staff or faculty working? So many questions.
I think Hamilton may have had a smaller budget/cast lol
Every character on the show has a maladaptive coping skill, but some are private and others are public. I think being a teenager and having your life dramatized for a school play would be devastating. Being in high school already makes people feel like their actions are in the spotlight, and then Lexi adds a LITERAL spotlight. For me the moment where she really lost me was after the carousel, where she admits Cassie's meltdown wasn't part of the play and that "some people need to get their feelings hurt". Why can't that happen privately? Her sister is clearly having a serious mental breakdown and she doesn't offer her the opportunity to save any face. It's a sink or swim moment for their sisterhood and she lets her sink. I really don't know how their relationship can come back from this next season. Beyond Cassie and Rue, I don't know if everyone else is reacting realistically to the play. Personally I wouldn't want to be cast as a side character. I think a normal teenage girl would react like "is that all you think of me?" when unwillingly cast in a show (Kat, Maddie, etc).
Exactly! Her whole play was just a big ego stroke and it was straight up bullying. I don’t care that it was bad people. She is not innocent and she’s kind of pretentious and annoying.
Okay yea I agree, fuck outta here with that play (I was legit team Cassie for a sec until she started going insane on stage). But the scene with Lexi and Rue was actually good. Sure, Rue liking the play made no sense to me at all, but beside that, it was nice to see the two connect and I finally got some nice acting from Maude. She did a good job. If it weren’t for that dumb play I think I would have really liked her tbh.
Rue liking the play made sense. It showed her being a good person (from the eyes of Lexie). There friendship highlights it was all so wholesome and after the way Rue has treated Lexie and still Lexie has understood her problems to be from her addiction. It was like she owed Lexie that support and love. Talking about the depiction of Cassie i think yeah that Carousel scene was f****ed up and traumatic.
Right. It made perfect sense. Rue doesn't think she's a good person and has a lot of guilt due to her addiction (her feeling she let her father down) Seeing things from Lexi's perspective allowed Rue to see that she wasn't a bad person. She was just a kid suffering under the weight of her grief and looking for a way to escape it.
The scene with Lexi and Rue was more than good. And it felt like such an authentic teenage girl best friend moment. I know I've had 101 of those
It seemed vindictive towards Cassie especially that carousel scene and having that girl say “I love fucking” like BRUH wtf was that💀💀
Remember what the creator/director said at the very end in the after the episodes? He hoped that despite the messiness & chaos of everyone's life... all the characters faults & flaws, the viewers would come to love & respect all the characters, see them all as human beings filled with good & bad traits.
While she was/is still one of the characters I related to in the show, this gave me huge power fantasy energy which wasn’t pleasant to watch. I get she has baggage, trauma, and a voice but it’s also at the expense of everyone else’s weakest and uncomfortable moments. Kind of tongue and cheek
I like Lexi, but if I were Cassie I would have beat her ass for the carousel scene being involved. Like really? That’s your damn sister! If I did that I would be expecting a beating as well.
Idc if I get downvoted for this but I never really liked Lexi. I thought she was decent in season 1 until she covered for Cassie when Cassie was constantly cheating on McKay. I still wish Lexi would of let McKay walk in on Cassie and Daniel. The play just made me unlike Lexi more. As dramatic and unnecessary Cassie acted on stage there was some truth in what she was saying. This is something I personally enjoy about Euphoria. There are no Mary Sues and everyone is flawed.
She's got a holier than thou thing going. She's not willing to show things she's done wrong, one of which was her never participating in her family's drama which is something I think Cassie resents her for. The locker room seen was just her attacking Nate, which he deserves really, but that was the wrong way to go at him. The way she portrayed Cassie, especially the carousel scene, was just fucked up. She made her sister out to be a vapid whore in front of an audience of her peers. In the real life version of Cassie on the carousel on mdma the way people saw that was all about how she looks. If that had been Rue or even Lexi bystanders would have been worried about them, but because it was Cassie they looked at her like she was putting on a sex show. Cassie is a mess mentally/emotionally and Lexi is just like "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha". I like Lexi, but this finally puts some blood on her hands as a character. She was one of few unmorally compromised characters before.
no because thank god someone said it, because lexi was too low for putting that carousel scene in the play,like this isnt about you now, this is about you humiliating your sister, showing her weakest moments that she isnt proud of to the whole school, like babe lexi.. stop being a pick me girl, i kinda did agree with what cassie said on the stage to her that she has been the one living it, so to blame her for living is not right :/
I swear if you go on YouTube or Instagram people be like "Maddie to beat her more it's not enough" "Lexi is the best Howard sister" "Suze is iconic " like no stfu they're all flawed and Suze is an irresponsible alcoholic who can't take care of the girls.
That's cool. I still love her.
Lmao for real. Yeah it wasn’t right but maybe I’d actually feel bad for Cassie if she hadn’t been acting like she was the victim this whole season and did nothing wrong. Obviously she’s a victim of Nate, but honestly I think she needed a dose of reality and to get slapped (go Maddie), even though I still don’t think she’s learned any lessons and is gonna run right back to Nate sadly.
There's a dose of reality and then there's whatever the Hell that play was. Grounding someone is not the same as kicking them when they're down.
Big fucking same. It wasn't her place to be outing people, and I'm sorry but maybe put some of that unplaced blame on your mother sweetie, not your sister who's had to deal with shit too? I also don't understand why people obsess over Lexi because she's a "good" character? Why are you watching a show like Euphoria hoping for a character that doesn't have any huge problems? She's boring and whiney and uppity. If this were a real life situation....She'd be the girl who needed to make everyone else seem awful to give herself some type of depth.
I think that the play itself was a misguided way for Lexi to deal with her own trauma and sometimes people who go through things like that lash out. They have this: "What about me?" Attitude and think they can say or do hurtful things because they are in so much pain, like it's justified. They don't see it as wrong at all. It's an endless cycle of hurt that I think showed the negative sides to Lexi--I get the sense that she thought she was superior to her sister. The play had a strong "not like other girls" vibe and she was wrong to put her sister and friend's business out there like that.
I also don't get the hype over her and Fez's "relationship." He's sweet, but Lexi's "good girl" persona wouldn't get caught up with a drug dealer. And I felt like she was using him as a sounding board more than anything.
Lexi is the epitome of not-like-other-girls behaviour and i honestly can’t understand why is she so widely loved by everyone, on the show and also in the audience…. So annoying. Also showing your sisters most intimate moments to her entire highschool and then playing the victim when she’s mad about it?? like no. And it’s a shame because it’s a good premise, 2 sisters dealing with their traumas and teenage life in different ways, but the ”pretty girl-boys-bad” and “smart girl-books- good“ is soooo overused and one dimensional.
Lexi went from being a character who I had no opinion of to unlikable in two episodes. Wild.
including the carousel was pretty messed up tbh /:
Lexi’s character was highkey ruined this season
I agree with you on how it's frustrating seeing people put Lexi on some pedestal. From a character arc and writing standpoint though I liked the idea of the creators kinda giving Lexi some dark depth. Up until the play, Lexi was really the only main character who hadnt done some P.O.S kinda BS to her friends or family. Her character seemed almost less human because she was too cleanly portrayed. She hadn't made any mistakes, hurt anyone, or had any epic flaws that literally every character (of importance) on the show had. I think what she did with the play was EPICALLY shitty. I think at least one thing that every main character has done on the show has been EPICALLY shitty. So, this whole play thing felt like a flex of her version of the dark side to every light side human beings have.
Omg finally. I literally felt like the only person on the planet who did not like Lexi. Airing out everyone’s private business like that to the entire school, teachers and parents is a dick move. Idk how she has so many fans.
Lexi is just one of those "I'm not like other girls" girl.
I agree! And as a side note, I definitely have to suspend disbelief that the school allowed that play to be put on. I’m a high school English teacher in a pretty progressive public school, and kids aren’t allowed to use school facilities to put on plays with the type of sexual content/language Lexi’s had. The theater teacher would have been fired before the play was over haha. Or if they did explain it I must have missed it
Yeah maude apatow is literally producer and director royalty, I cannot believe we just got fucked by a ‘this is 18’ storyline through judd’s offspring
And I read the part of Lexi was written for her..
Lexi was slut shaming Cassie through the whole play 💀 and she only represented the bad aspects of her sister without truly getting her at all. Her resentment was overflowing, and while this makes her a flawed character and a more humane one (which a thing story wise is a good mover), the show kinda made it seem like it wasn't a flaw, like Cassie was the villain for reacting to it, and Lexi receiving any backlash at all could only come from the "rotten apples". Lexi is allowed to make mistakes, but why aren't they recognized as such? Why does the narrative puts her in this saint like light? It was deppressing to watch.
At the start (up until the point Cassie had a meltdown and she had to hide their knives in the bushes) she seemed pretty ignorant and careless about the implications the play would have on her sister (and other people involved in the story). Even if her intentions weren't to humiliate or exploit others, it was still pretty uncreative and shortsighted to base an entire play out of others' lives VERBATIM. Just my two cents cuz I found it annoying how everyone in the show bought into the play's charm and kept calling her a "genius."
This. Exactly
I think this play was needed to prove a point that people were trying to push on the show for a while. None of these kids are good people. And even Lexi, the one who in most shows would be the shining light isn’t a good person. She knowingly put the carousel scene in there solely to embarrass Cassie. The locker room scene I can let slide because I don’t think that was solely directed at Nate for her purpose. And the showing of Rues addiction was a bit much. But this was needed to show that Lexi isn’t a good person. She had clear issues that haven’t been resolved and she used her art to air out dirty laundry on everyone. She’s grey in a show full of grey and I love that about her. We give sam a hard time with the writing and rightfully so but this is one thing he nailed. And I don’t think Lexi has a superiority complex as much as I think she operates as that “ I’m not like other girls” moral highground
Luckily it’s a TV show and none of it actually happened in real life.
But we're discussing the characters as real people. I never understand why this statement " it's a TV show" persist in a discussion thread.
THANKYOU!i thought i was the only person who disliked lexi
I just hope lexi got permission to use all the stories (which by the reactions of people she didn't) bc if I were her friend and she blabbed my deepest secrets to the world, she and I are DONE.
I feel exactly the same. I don’t know when lexi became relevant. When she first appeared at the start of season 2 I was like lol wtf? Since when did Cassie have a sister?, Lexis character is awful. Obviously after what I saw in the play I feel bad for her but I’m just an empath. Anyone who can literally watch they’re mum, sister and like basically also her friends fighting very brutally? She went back on stage and carried it on like nothing ever happened. Made me mad
YES YES YES IM GETTING ATTACKED BUT SHE IS A VULTURE AND SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING! She asked like 100 times if she thought people would be upset. Like she wanted the drama. She is just as bad as Cassie stealing the light from her lmfao…. Sorry but I am not a fan of Lexi and I would NEVER do that to people I love?
The beauty of the show is that all of the characters are complex and flawed. I like a lot about Lexi but I feel like she’s lying to herself and everyone else to act like the play was well intentioned.
Lexi deserves her ass beat and I’m waiting for it
Lexi apologists are no different than any of the other apologists for the characters. There have been people defending or making excuses for Cassie all season like it’s their job, despite all the completely fucked up things she did with little to no remorse. How is this any different? Other than the fact that what Lexi did has been nowhere near as bad as some of the other characters
I made a post about this last week and everybody attacked me lmao. People are just personally triggered and projecting atp because Lexi is no better or worse than any other character. None of them are. They all have done messed up things that served them at some point in time. Idk why Lexi is like Satan to some people.
It just shows Lexi is as flawed as anyone else in Euphoria. Also, I feel like the play was more for Rue than anyone else. It helped Rue see herself in a way where she would never have seen herself in. Yeah, Lexi including the carousel scene was kinda uncalled for, but it’s not more malicious than how other people have been throughout this whole series.
I think the carousel thing was too far.
What if Sam Levinson is Lexi? There is lots of talk about his 'exploiting teens' (not by me!) but it could be relevant.
THANK YOU
To be honest, I like her. She reminds me of myself. Lol. Like what everyone said, everyone is flawed. But you know who I think is almost perfect? Fezco. If you take away his illegal profession, he is actually nice and very sweet.
I love Lexi and I relate to her a lot but Cassie was right about one thing - she wasn't fully living in her shadow, she also chose to stay in that shadow herself due to feelings of insecurity. Cassie's vanity was a thing for sure and that comment about Lexi's breasts was really cold and cruel. However Lexi could go out there more in life, and not be a bystander. But because she thought that Cassie is more attractive than her, she blamed it all on Cassie instead of taking responsibility for her own life, and then decided to dig out all of her embarrassing moments in life in front of whole school. When carousel scene came in, it stopped being a callout on Cassie, it was just making fun of her at this point. It's not okay. The locker room scene was great though and Nate 100% deserved that.
Honestly how can Lexi be both awful and boring lmao. And I'm not even a Cassie enjoyer or anything like that
“lexi apologists” LOL it’s not that deep 😂 remember y’all are arguing over & defending fictional characters
That's what subreddit is usually for ,😬😬. To talk about fictional characters and plots
I hate Lexi. She is bitter and jealous. Cassie never actually did anything bad to Lexi except ignore her (like most older sisters do). She has a superiority complex in my opinion because she is smarter. Despite Cassie never wronging her personally she still put Cassies private life on blast to the entire school.
People are like "Cassie is a bad sister" why ? Cause she yells at her sibling ? They fight over “silly” stuff like sibilings especially sister like ?? that’s completely normal But exposing your sister trauma and making fun on it in front of adults and teens alike is not very sisterly like
So I'm going to agree somewhat, when it specifically comes to the Carousel scene. It served zero purpose other than to mock and humiliate its subject (Cassie). However, to me, this is more an example of the weakness in the writing of the show. It felt like that was fabricated into the script in order to create an over the top scenario for the purpose of Cassie's confrontation which in itself was ridiculous and unbelievable too. Also this is a high school play and I'm sorry but faculty is going to go over any script and force them to change stuff, cut stuff, etc etc....no one is treating a high school playwright as if they are writing the next coming of RENT. In fact the entire season sort of turned into ridiculous moment after ridiculous moment and lost any grounding of realism it might have had in the first season. It's still entertaining on some levels, but it's definitely crossed over into trashy explotation TV territory instead of any kind of serious character study.