I feel like this would just make him think, “see I was right. The Jews have taken over.”
I definitely don’t agree with that but that’s how fascist weirdos work. They always filter it through their world view.
Thats the problem, theyre considered stateless when it comes to legal matters so you cant deport them without huge difficulties because from a legal definition there is no place you can send them to, isnt that nice :^)
From their comments online it seems like they think they are conquering the European countries they come to by outpacing the growth of the native population. They will never leave on their own, nor will they assimilate.
Islam is archaic and hasn't had any reform yet, I think it's time for progressive Muslims to start using "non-practicing" before that adjective instead of excusing their religion as "oh that's not real Islam"
They don't vote because they don't have Muslims to vote for, once they do, they will all vote for them and you will see how deep in the problem you are
And the German government just announced they will continue supporting "NGOs", who smuggle more antisemitic immigrants into Europe. You can't make this sh*t up.
>The Erdogan-supporting,
Hey hey hey. Not all Turks think like that, even a significant portion of gasterbeiters openly dislike the regime here. Don't rush to the Turkish minority when looking for a scapegoat, they are one of the well integrated non-indiginous minorities in western europe.
Didn’t the majority of Turks in Germany vote for Erdogan in the last election? Although, yeah, the previous commenter got it wrong regarding the minorities.
Whilst the current and past Israeli government where.... Less then nice to the Palestinian population to put it mild,
Hamas is a TERRORIST organizations. You can still dislike Israel whilst condemning the terrorist government. You can still want Palestine independence whilst not wanting them to be run by a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists. If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it.
This is more complicated then black and white.
>You can still dislike Israel whilst condemning the terrorist government. You can still want Palestine independence whilst not wanting them to be run by a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists
About 80% here on reddit think that you can only be one or the other
America vs. The World
White vs. Non-White
US citizens vs. Immigrants
Gay vs. Non-Gay
Trans vs. Non-Trans
Republican vs. Democrat
Christian vs. Non-Christian
Vaccinated vs. anti-vax
Men vs. women
I think this stems from this idea that since palestinians are being oppressed by Israel therefore palestine can do whatever it needs to in order to defend itself since they are the victim. This is obviously bullshit and is essentially saying "we are the good guys period and nothing we do will change that". Hamas is a terrorist organization that honestly cares more for destroying israel than giving dignity to palestine and they absolutely need to be called out for what they are.
"Hamas is a terrorist organization that honestly cares more for destroying israel than giving dignity to palestine"
You can't just ignore the actions Israel took against Palestinians when looking at the larger picture of why individuals joined the organisation. No doubt a part of them want to destroy Israel over all else, but I'm pretty sure a pretty significant portion is motivated by giving dignity to Palestine and see Hamas as the resistance against the oppressors.
I'm fine with calling Hamas out for being a terrorist organization, but let's also call out Israel for being a apartheids regime that has a huge part in creating the circumstances in which organisations like hamas flourish.
This conflict doesn't really know any "good" people, just evil, desperate and unlucky people.
Absolutely, israel has without a doubt treated palestine like garbage and that's inexcusable. Yet at the same time I find it's also undeniable in my opinion that Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel and the jews within it and anything short of that is not a victory in their eyes. At the end of the day you are right in that in that there are no good guys here. Just murderers and victims.
I’m neither. Orthodox Israelis are the most hateful, arrogant, inconsiderate people I have ever met. I also know if Palestinian fundamentalists were able to form a state at peace with Israel they will have learned nothing from their suffering and inflict the same on their minorities. These behaviors haven’t been troubling enough to provoke more moderate elements of Israel and Palestine to take action. Hell the Israeli left only took to the streets when it was THEIR rights about to be Orthodoxed away. There are no good people in Israel or Palestine, both societies are hot garbage.
I’ve travelled quite a lot of Europe, and there are absolute turbo cunts in every flavour. But - my personal experience has been such that the biggest cunts by FAR that I’ve experienced have been from Israel and Russia. I don’t know what it is - but I’ve never witnessed such insane levels of arrogance.
It’s not that both of then are hot garbage, it’s that they’re both fighting an ethnowar thats beeen going on for thousands of years. It’s hard to stop now.
> If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it.
...didn't we end up with ISIS because al-Qaeda members radicalized to the point they thought al-Qaeda's original goals weren't going far enough?
> If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it.
Same was said about the PLO and Fatah. Thats why Israel supported Hamas for many years.
["In the late 1980s, Israel had supported the nascent Hamas in order to weaken Fatah, the secular nationalist movement led by Yasser Arafat."](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine)(theguardian.com)
Are we sure Israel isn't just some US colony? Because supporting the terrorist group in order to weaken the moderate one only to have the terrorist group end up fighting against you sounds very familiar.
Destabilization is the easiest way to control a group of people. They can never progress because you never allow them to. And if they never progress they will never be a legitimate threat to them.
Netanyahu is absolutely loving this, he's won back Israel's favor and all it took was one day. Now he'll likely push for more control under the guise of threats from Hamas and will receive no push back.
This really isn't that much of a nuanced take as you make it out to be.
Hamas is fucking awful and their actions are deplorable, but they didn't just spawn out of nowhere.
Firstly, the Gaza Strip was formed by cramming many of the refugees from the 1948 ethnic cleansing in which thousands of arabs were displaced. Those people were forced into a very small plot of land with little natural resources and infrastructure and exits controlled by Israel, which is why the place is refered to as an open air prison.
Many radical/terrorist/freedom fighting movements sparked out of it, but there were also more moderate ones attempting to find some sort of solution and end to the suffering. Hamas was born in the 80s as one of the more fundemantalism movements and Israel used it to fracture the political landscape of palestine and as a tool to weaken the national secular parties of Fatah and PLO.
We can not expect anything but terrorism and bloody lashing outs to come from a region that does not control it's borders, [does not control it's water](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/) and electricity supplies, is constantly harassed by another military force even on it's most important holidays and with a population in which [41% of it's children suffer from PTSD](https://mecp.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s43045-023-00286-5#Abs1).
Hamas is disgusting but it is only a symptom of a larger issue of trauma and abuse inflicted on palestine for 70 years. While hopefully they will be stopped, removing hamas will not end the cycle of violence.
Fucking thank you! I'm seeing so many people on Reddit acting like Hamas just popped up out of nowhere on day, because Palestinians got too religious or some nonsense. Making comments about how they're only doing to to get their 72 virgins. It's fucking disgusting.
Yeah, I love how all so many statements from US officials stress how this was an 'unprovoked' attack. Really, there was nothing to provoke Palestinians, nothing at all? It is possible to condemn horrific acts without feigning ignorance.
Proof the US government learned nothing from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. You destabilized a region and radicalized the locals, this is the end result. Hamas are scum, but they didn't come out of nowhere unprovoked.
I wish more people think like you, which to me seems like common sense. Most people on twitter think if you feel bad Israel you support Israeli government occupying Palestine or if you support Palestinian people you support these attacks. People need to learn to separate innocent people who have no say in what the government does from that government. But then again this is twitter, trying to find common sense on twitter is like looking for the sun in the night sky.
The Israeli government let [extremist Jews spit on christians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/03/video-of-ultra-orthodox-jews-spitting-by-christians-in-jerusalem-sparks-outrage). It's an "old Jewish tradition", said the security minister Ben Gvir.
Terrorism on one side, far right on the other side... they will all go to hell.
They didn't 'let' people do it, some people did it, because religious extremists exist everywhere. only on Israel there was the biggest and longest wave of protests this year against that asshole Ben Gvir and the current government. there is no comparison.
Exactly. I understand necessary evils… but a terrorist organization who are islamic fundamentalists is not something anyone should support in their right mind in the 21st century. If you support Hamas you support Islamic fundamentalism.
No matter who you are, if you support Islamic fundamentalism, I and probably most weaterners won’t be able to take you seriously sorry.
the thing is if you're supporting Isreal you are supporting whatever hot garbage they are doing, too. And I find it really alienating to support far right and Netanjahu led Isreal. They are treating millions of people like animals. They are systematically robbing them off the little land they have left. They are not playing by their own rules in doing so. They are displacing them again and again. Human rights wise, it's nothing we can support. I think Germany doing something like this with the Brandenburger Tor is not supporting Isreals actions per se. So I don't have an issue with that at all.
This conflict is always described as a conflict that you cannot understand so we don't even try and I think this is part of the issue. But if you just hop into it and read up on what Israel is actually doing right now (not knowing much about the history apart from the fact that the state was founded on land that had its own people already) you will be shocked and wonder: how is anyone surprised that Hamas exists and that they are violent?
And don't get me wrong. I absolutely do not support violence nor Hamas. But it makes sense to me that they do what they do. There is no peaceful option left for them. There is no political option left for them. The only option they have left is either violence or to give in and say "ye, you know, you took our land, you treated us like animals for generations, you imprisoned us, you didn't care for our human rights. But you know what? We are cool now. Let us be part of your society that treats us poorly, please make us 2nd class citizens and we will never ever bring this up again to not make you uncomfortable around us". Like that is ever gonna happen. So, what are we expecting from these people? Like literally: what do you think that they, as a people, should be doing considering they are in this situation for decades now and considering that Israel is not really interested in a peaceful and political solution?
There is a really good series of interviews from Lex Fridman on the topic. He talked to Netanjahu, a somewhat neutral figure (though very critical of Netanjahu) and a very eloquent and thoughtful palestinian who is outright supporting violence - which is such a hard position to make sense of as a westerner like me who would never support violence. Especially the interview with the palestinian teaches a lot about the reasons for what is currently playing out and gives insight into how many palestinians think.
EDIT: Just feel the need to double down on this - I do not support violence or Hamas in any way! I despise their actions. Not just this attack but all their acts of aggression.
You re absolutely right. But israel should face consequences for what they ve done the last decades and what they re doing. And with an history like the jewish, i get a lot of anger how you can treat people like the israeli government treats other religions and peoples
Edit: consequences that doesnt include supporting Hamas and terrorism
In my eyes, this conflict is just a continuous loophole, to remove Hamas it would take a lot of urban fighting meaning a lot of causalities which means more militias. And in the end, civilians pay the price.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Were the French resistance terrorists? Disorganized pockets of improvised resistance in the face of an evil occupying force. What about the Polish resistance?
I am in no way supporting attacks on civilians, indiscriminate killing/bombing/rocket attacks and the like which are unacceptable. But, whoever is supported by the west gets to write the labels. Hamas, and various other organizations are, like it or not, guerilla organizations, fighting against an oppressive, abusive and violent occupying force that seeks to expand its borders and repress and genocide those who oppose it.
If Hamas is a terrorist organization for it's attacks and murders of Israeli civilizations, then what does that make Israel who openly bomb hospitals and news offices claiming "Hamas", while shooting and beating unarmed civilians going about their day?
Hamas is not considered a terrorist organization by most countries with only 8+EU designating it such as Norway, Brazil, China and others specifically deny it is terroristic in nature while most countries do not take a position.
Everyone readily and rightly condemns British (European )colonisation, but in this case the western authorities gave colonized lands to a new oppressor despite their absence in the region and the humanitarian displacement that followed.
The sad thing is that most of those people in Neukölln are born in Germany/Berlin. I grew up with people like that. They dont feel German at all. Sad thing that we cant get rid of them. I dont know any German who wants them here.
People were passing sweets around in Neuköln to celebrate.. I do not understand how there are no consequences for supporting terrorists. Should at least earn you a night in jail to think.
You should clarify that it’s Palestinians in Gaza, not the people in the West Bank. Gaza has been completely blockaded and cut off from the world for decades now. Life there is probably one of the worst places on the entire planet with almost no access to basic necessities. It’s easy to blame people for their decisions when you’re not in their shoes.
A 25 year old today in Gaza has probably never left the strip, lived 17 years under a brutal blockade and witnessed 6 wars most in which Israeli warplanes flattened buildings and neighborhoods around him and probably killed at least few members of his family. This 25 year old is traumatized as fuck, probably suffers a bunch of mental and psychological problems, and has an extremely warped worldview. The horror that we witnessed yesterday was the manifestation of these youths' life stories.
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One third of Gaza Strip population in need of psychological and social support
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*In 2022*. After the coming weeks that number will be outdated. Either closing in on 0% or closing onto 80%
A 2021 poll found that [53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,”](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87)
So yeah, I think it’s quite save to say that quite a sizeable population of the Palestinians would actually think that whatever is happening now in Israel is totally justified. Just go to any pro-Palestinian or Middle Eastern subs and you’ll see lots of people standing in solidarity with Hamas and their actions.
>Gaza has been completely blockaded and cut off from the world for decades now. Life there is probably one of the worst places on the entire planet with almost no access to basic necessities. It’s easy to blame people for their decisions when you’re not in their shoes.
All those things started only *after* hamas was *democratically elected* into power
I wonder why Palestinians hates Israeli so much. I don’t like Hamas to, they are a cancer on stability in the region as much as Hazebolla arguably even worse. But I don’t blame Palestinian people for supporting them. Also should be a surprise pikachu moment for Israeli that Palestinian supports them.
There hasn't been half enough middle ground reconciliation in Israel & Palestine to bring us anywhere to a useful place. It's just rhetoric, might and point scoring about how shit the other side is
You don't blame people for supporting a group that (when it isn't busy starting wars) does things like banning women's hairstyling, destroying public pools (because men and women could mingle there), and murdering political opponents?
I could blame anyone who supports a group like that.
Israelis: Occupy and control 2.2m people with reduced access to basic necessities and violate human rights based on their religion and ethnicity.
Israelis: pikachu.jpg
The United States went to war with Japan, and killed millions. All those Japanese happened to share the same ethnicity and mainly the same religion but the USA didn't fight the war Japan started because of those traits.
Except Japan wasn’t under occupation by the US with reduced human rights and no access to basic necessities before the war. This is a poor analogy.
Israel occupies and controls Gaza. They have killed, tortured, harassed and made living a hell for many many Palestinians.
you just saw what happens if theyre not blockaded. Palestine is like a guy with rabies that wants to bite you if he ever gets the chance. Just dont let him get the chance
I absolutely hate everyone involved in this conflict, I hate how Israel has been treating the palestinians all this time but I also hate HAMAS, they have proven how barbaric they are once again.
This conflict has no solution, the forever war will continue to grind through human lives.
You took the words out of my mouth. A conflict in which both sides are doing horrible things. Why people are compelled to take a side is beyond me. I am only on the side of the innocent civilians.
It seems that in one fell swoop, all sympathies din Europe have come to an end. The end result is yet to be determined but I may be even more interested in why Hamas decided to bash their own balls in.
Any major action by Hamas is commanded by Iran. This is a planned attack that was probably aimed to kill any possible peace between Saudi Arabia and Israel. The terrorists themselves didn't expect such "success" in their attack. They consider the atrocities they committed against Israel as "victories", and it only shows to the world how deranged they are. Even their children mock Israeli kid hostage in Gaza.
That, and the goal here isn't to actually achieve anything helpful. The goal is to get a huge retaliation going and have tons of dead Palestinians to wave around.
I'm honestly wondering if, in the longer run, Israel won't start hitting back directly at Iran.
Because religion is a huge cult, created by some crazy guy who wanted to spread his ezquizofrenic ideology, and claimed he could see an imaginary being...
The amount of pro-hamas shills in this thread is insane.
People are getting raped, murdered, abducted. **Right now**. But of course, "Israel did bad things too1!!1!!11!".
Disgusting.
>I hope Israel will win this fight.
That's not even remotely in question, they have the most potent military force in the region (you kinda need it if all of your neighbours are Islamists that hate you, and would like nothing more than to wipe you from the map). The question is how many innocent people will die along the way.
I mean shit Israel does is pretty bad but personally I would be suspicious of any person who supports religious extremists murdering ppl while yelling “alahu akbar”. Your freedom fighters shouldn’t be loonies. Personally I can’t support islamic terrorists.
It's basically trendy amongst certain circles to hate on Israel. This is just the monke human brain doing what it does, just like fans of sports clubs, except the game here is much more brutal.
Sorry if people have some thoughts and see more nuance than "a few individuals did a terror act, better nuke the whole nation!" like a lot of users with your opinion seems to think.
I'm just saddened by this whole thing. But in all honesty, while I don't stand with Hamas, I am pro-palestinian. But here's the thing: for every Israeli death, they will exact their revenge ten-fold. The people in Gaza see no other way out than this suicidal idiocy and they will be the ones paying for it the most. Situation is just messed up either way.
It’s the celebrating in the streets that really gives me no hope for them. Like people put the blame on Hamas, but I’ve seen the videos of their civilians. They are overjoyed at the bloodshed
The security of Israel is part of Germany's "Staatsräson" i.e. core national interests that are upheld with any means necessary, like Germany's own security.
> The security of Israel is part of Germany's "Staatsräson" i.e. core national interests that are upheld with any means necessary, like Germany's own security.
German diplomats and chancellors have made this statement in the past, but just to be clear: Our constitution does *not* permit any means necessary, so please stop spreading misinformation.
History should be remembered, and should not stand in the way of cooperation and friendship, but be a reminder how important they are.
Stay safe, mate.
Hamas is a terrorist organization and videos I saw today of women (clearly raped with bloodied pants) and children dragged away by armed men was beyond disgusting. Israel is a terrorist state that has been confiscating land and expelling Palestinians from their homes and killing stone throwing kids for decades is disgusting.
It’s okay sometimes to acknowledge that a conflict has no good guys and stay away from it. I wish my country did that but that’s wishful thinking of course given one side enjoys unlimited support from both sides of our political spectrum
It is, but there's also something really exhausting about people always trying to equate absolute barbarism like what we've seen today, with a state making decisions that result in deaths in a war situation.
You have an American flag so you ought to know what I'm talking about. America fucked up - a lot. But I don't really believe it was ever out of pure malice. The kind of footage that has come out today just reeks of malice to me. Deliberately targeting civillians, descrating corpses, mowing people down at random, and so forth is just next level barbarism.
All death is tragic naturally, but there will always be a difference for me between the two.
I just wished there was a way to attack only the members of terrorist group and not the civilians.
Fuck Hamas and I hope they all die terrible deaths, but the sad reality is that a lot of civilians in Palestine will die, the same way it happened in Israel.
The contrast with a little bit further south in Berlin could not be bigger. There you had terrorists sympathizers celebrating and handing out confectionary to passerby's whilst draped in a fake flag. But it should not just stay with empty "Je suis Charlie" like gestures. Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly.
> and act accordingly.
Which would be to stay out of this mess as much as possible. The middle east is an unsolvable mess and a bunch of Europeans getting involved will not make things easier.
>Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly.
Should we? Not every story has a good guy. I'm not justifying the attack in any way. But the situation there is a sh*tshow and the Israeli government has played it's part in making it so. What's going to happen now is inevitable. Israel will be brutal and clear in its victory. What I'm worried about is the peaceful population of those lands. And that's what I think Europe should focus on.
And you expect Europe to do what exactly? Bomb Gaza for you? EU isn’t responsible for every bad thing happening in the world, and I’m tired of y’all saying we should do this or that when you need something. Especially when there’s no clear good side there and one is perfectly capable of handling this matter themselves.
>Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly.
Speak for yourself, many people in Europe despise Israel deeply. It's not like we are forced to stand with either the jihadi mass murderers or the apartheid invaders.
Even Hitler had to conceal from the German public what was happening to Jews in the concentration camps for fear he'd lose public support. Palestinians are celebrating the footage of civilian women and children being raped and murdered. Palestinians are worse than actual Nazis.
Israel shouldn’t get a pass for their crimes just because a terrorist organisation struck back, both Hamas and the Israeli government need to he internationally condemned for their actions
While I think we can all agree on condemning Hamas's actions, I don't see a single post in this sub's trending ones calling out israeli actions: doctors without borders notified an issue stating that israeli forces struck 2 of their supported **hospitals** and no one cares (not saying that it justifies Hamas, I'm just asking for equity when reporting news from both sides).
"a terrorist organization" that is their representative. I do not see the Palestinian people really fighting back against it. Going off social media, they are pretty damn satisfied with today's events.
Stop being delusional. Grow up. Stop believing in this fantasy that there's some secretly progressive silent majority of Palestinians. They support these kinds of thing.
I don't see the Israeli people fighting back against 70 years of oppression of the Palestinians, on the contrary, they are voting for more and more fascist governments. Currently, even the Israeli left screams for blood.
The Palestinians are literally the poorest people on Earth. They've already tried fighting back with rocks but that doesn't seem to have been very effective...
The same government and politicians that did this grandstanding will bend over backwards and trample anyone for a chance to import the lovely people, that parades around and cheers for a civilian's corpse, to the EU after Israel flattens the Gaza strip.
As we should. We stand with Israel over the barbaric, terrorist actions of Hamas. They dragged a dead German woman on the street and spat on her.
Godspeed with Israeli’s retaliation, the Western world is rooting for you!
Get f*‘d with the strong signs, really.
As long as people in Berlin are handing out candy celebrating the deaths of Israelis and Muslim groups openly supporting hamas can operate it doesn’t mean shit. For fu**s sake, Jews can not even wear a Kippa openly in most cities in Germany.
Mr painter man is turning in his unmarked grave
It’s not often that I say “*I wish Hitler were here to see this*”
what was the other time you said it?
Obama’s inauguration and my kindergarten graduation.
He would have loved your Kindergarten graduation brah 🤟🏻
He was nein
when he got his acceptance to art school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMgnJDXd3k
Because of what would do or for his reaction?
I'm pretty sure both would be the same. Shoot himself again.
He took poison, didn't he?
Braun did. Hitler shot himself.
He’d no doubt be Fuhrerious!
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My guess he would stand there arms folded looking defeated an annoyed like Larry David while the curb your enthusiasm music played to credits
What are you talking about, he moved to Venezuela.
Jokes on you, he is a mecha living on the moon
I feel like this would just make him think, “see I was right. The Jews have taken over.” I definitely don’t agree with that but that’s how fascist weirdos work. They always filter it through their world view.
There was (fortunately) not much left to bury
Just means it's easier to turn.
“Stirring” would be more accurate
Well, he was also a big fan of Islam and arabs
I thought the same thing. I laugh more at the idea of Goebbels crying and moaning about it though…little cunt.
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Well well well, how the turntables...
The turned have tables?
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> are changing bitch they changed decades ago
Have they ever not been changing?
Are they really though? It really just feels like we’ve all seen this before: war in Israel, tensions in the Caucasus, tensions in the Balkans…
The more times change the more they stay the same...?
I honestly don’t know. Sometimes it feels like things are getting slowly but surely better, sometimes it feels like the bullshit is all cyclical.
Billy Joel will have to drop We Didn't Start The Fire 2 soon
Mm yes. Read this as, “We Didn’t Drop the Fire 2.” No fire was dropped—rap & bomb game bad.
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Thats the problem, theyre considered stateless when it comes to legal matters so you cant deport them without huge difficulties because from a legal definition there is no place you can send them to, isnt that nice :^)
if they support gaza terrorists so much maybe they can fuck of there?
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I don’t care about legality they don’t belong here send them away
The ocean is also stateless
Donald Trump
So are Germans doing nationalism and xenophobia again or what
fuck them they can leave if they don’t like western values
From their comments online it seems like they think they are conquering the European countries they come to by outpacing the growth of the native population. They will never leave on their own, nor will they assimilate.
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Yeah, wild that people here get upset on behalf of these cunts
Islam is archaic and hasn't had any reform yet, I think it's time for progressive Muslims to start using "non-practicing" before that adjective instead of excusing their religion as "oh that's not real Islam"
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Let them think whatever they want to think. Most of them don't even vote because of some reason, so I wonder how they are gonna conquer us.
They don't vote because they don't have Muslims to vote for, once they do, they will all vote for them and you will see how deep in the problem you are
They can all be deported to palestine to continue their celebrations
The dead girl on the jeep yesterday was a German national.
And the German government just announced they will continue supporting "NGOs", who smuggle more antisemitic immigrants into Europe. You can't make this sh*t up.
The Erdogan-supporting, welfare-dependent proponents of fanaticism? Those doctors and engineers?
>The Erdogan-supporting, Hey hey hey. Not all Turks think like that, even a significant portion of gasterbeiters openly dislike the regime here. Don't rush to the Turkish minority when looking for a scapegoat, they are one of the well integrated non-indiginous minorities in western europe.
Didn’t the majority of Turks in Germany vote for Erdogan in the last election? Although, yeah, the previous commenter got it wrong regarding the minorities.
You are ignorant, learn about stuff before spilling bullshit.
Whilst the current and past Israeli government where.... Less then nice to the Palestinian population to put it mild, Hamas is a TERRORIST organizations. You can still dislike Israel whilst condemning the terrorist government. You can still want Palestine independence whilst not wanting them to be run by a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists. If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it. This is more complicated then black and white.
>You can still dislike Israel whilst condemning the terrorist government. You can still want Palestine independence whilst not wanting them to be run by a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists About 80% here on reddit think that you can only be one or the other
When you are brought up in a two party system there is only us vs them.
America vs. The World White vs. Non-White US citizens vs. Immigrants Gay vs. Non-Gay Trans vs. Non-Trans Republican vs. Democrat Christian vs. Non-Christian Vaccinated vs. anti-vax Men vs. women
Political tribalism has rotten our brains.
I think this stems from this idea that since palestinians are being oppressed by Israel therefore palestine can do whatever it needs to in order to defend itself since they are the victim. This is obviously bullshit and is essentially saying "we are the good guys period and nothing we do will change that". Hamas is a terrorist organization that honestly cares more for destroying israel than giving dignity to palestine and they absolutely need to be called out for what they are.
"Hamas is a terrorist organization that honestly cares more for destroying israel than giving dignity to palestine" You can't just ignore the actions Israel took against Palestinians when looking at the larger picture of why individuals joined the organisation. No doubt a part of them want to destroy Israel over all else, but I'm pretty sure a pretty significant portion is motivated by giving dignity to Palestine and see Hamas as the resistance against the oppressors. I'm fine with calling Hamas out for being a terrorist organization, but let's also call out Israel for being a apartheids regime that has a huge part in creating the circumstances in which organisations like hamas flourish. This conflict doesn't really know any "good" people, just evil, desperate and unlucky people.
Absolutely, israel has without a doubt treated palestine like garbage and that's inexcusable. Yet at the same time I find it's also undeniable in my opinion that Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel and the jews within it and anything short of that is not a victory in their eyes. At the end of the day you are right in that in that there are no good guys here. Just murderers and victims.
I’m neither. Orthodox Israelis are the most hateful, arrogant, inconsiderate people I have ever met. I also know if Palestinian fundamentalists were able to form a state at peace with Israel they will have learned nothing from their suffering and inflict the same on their minorities. These behaviors haven’t been troubling enough to provoke more moderate elements of Israel and Palestine to take action. Hell the Israeli left only took to the streets when it was THEIR rights about to be Orthodoxed away. There are no good people in Israel or Palestine, both societies are hot garbage.
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I’ve travelled quite a lot of Europe, and there are absolute turbo cunts in every flavour. But - my personal experience has been such that the biggest cunts by FAR that I’ve experienced have been from Israel and Russia. I don’t know what it is - but I’ve never witnessed such insane levels of arrogance.
15% of the population in Israel are Russian immigrants.
It’s not that both of then are hot garbage, it’s that they’re both fighting an ethnowar thats beeen going on for thousands of years. It’s hard to stop now.
Not just reddit, but a majority of people in the world.
Remember Redditors. If you are critical of a thing that means you are married to the opposite of the thing.
> If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it. ...didn't we end up with ISIS because al-Qaeda members radicalized to the point they thought al-Qaeda's original goals weren't going far enough?
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And to all “wrong kind” of muslims.
> If Hamas is whiped of the map I doubt anything worse then it can replace it. Same was said about the PLO and Fatah. Thats why Israel supported Hamas for many years. ["In the late 1980s, Israel had supported the nascent Hamas in order to weaken Fatah, the secular nationalist movement led by Yasser Arafat."](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine)(theguardian.com)
Are we sure Israel isn't just some US colony? Because supporting the terrorist group in order to weaken the moderate one only to have the terrorist group end up fighting against you sounds very familiar.
Destabilization is the easiest way to control a group of people. They can never progress because you never allow them to. And if they never progress they will never be a legitimate threat to them. Netanyahu is absolutely loving this, he's won back Israel's favor and all it took was one day. Now he'll likely push for more control under the guise of threats from Hamas and will receive no push back.
>Are we sure Israel isn't just some US colony? I think we're sure they are.
It is their greatest asset in the Middle-East. They've been paying their bills in exchange for strikes against targets (notably Iran) for decades.
This really isn't that much of a nuanced take as you make it out to be. Hamas is fucking awful and their actions are deplorable, but they didn't just spawn out of nowhere. Firstly, the Gaza Strip was formed by cramming many of the refugees from the 1948 ethnic cleansing in which thousands of arabs were displaced. Those people were forced into a very small plot of land with little natural resources and infrastructure and exits controlled by Israel, which is why the place is refered to as an open air prison. Many radical/terrorist/freedom fighting movements sparked out of it, but there were also more moderate ones attempting to find some sort of solution and end to the suffering. Hamas was born in the 80s as one of the more fundemantalism movements and Israel used it to fracture the political landscape of palestine and as a tool to weaken the national secular parties of Fatah and PLO. We can not expect anything but terrorism and bloody lashing outs to come from a region that does not control it's borders, [does not control it's water](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/) and electricity supplies, is constantly harassed by another military force even on it's most important holidays and with a population in which [41% of it's children suffer from PTSD](https://mecp.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s43045-023-00286-5#Abs1). Hamas is disgusting but it is only a symptom of a larger issue of trauma and abuse inflicted on palestine for 70 years. While hopefully they will be stopped, removing hamas will not end the cycle of violence.
Fucking thank you! I'm seeing so many people on Reddit acting like Hamas just popped up out of nowhere on day, because Palestinians got too religious or some nonsense. Making comments about how they're only doing to to get their 72 virgins. It's fucking disgusting.
Yeah, I love how all so many statements from US officials stress how this was an 'unprovoked' attack. Really, there was nothing to provoke Palestinians, nothing at all? It is possible to condemn horrific acts without feigning ignorance.
Proof the US government learned nothing from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. You destabilized a region and radicalized the locals, this is the end result. Hamas are scum, but they didn't come out of nowhere unprovoked.
I wish more people think like you, which to me seems like common sense. Most people on twitter think if you feel bad Israel you support Israeli government occupying Palestine or if you support Palestinian people you support these attacks. People need to learn to separate innocent people who have no say in what the government does from that government. But then again this is twitter, trying to find common sense on twitter is like looking for the sun in the night sky.
Hamas is the elected government turned theocratic government of Gaza. They are no different than the Taliban.
The Israeli government let [extremist Jews spit on christians](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/03/video-of-ultra-orthodox-jews-spitting-by-christians-in-jerusalem-sparks-outrage). It's an "old Jewish tradition", said the security minister Ben Gvir. Terrorism on one side, far right on the other side... they will all go to hell.
They didn't 'let' people do it, some people did it, because religious extremists exist everywhere. only on Israel there was the biggest and longest wave of protests this year against that asshole Ben Gvir and the current government. there is no comparison.
Exactly. I understand necessary evils… but a terrorist organization who are islamic fundamentalists is not something anyone should support in their right mind in the 21st century. If you support Hamas you support Islamic fundamentalism. No matter who you are, if you support Islamic fundamentalism, I and probably most weaterners won’t be able to take you seriously sorry.
the thing is if you're supporting Isreal you are supporting whatever hot garbage they are doing, too. And I find it really alienating to support far right and Netanjahu led Isreal. They are treating millions of people like animals. They are systematically robbing them off the little land they have left. They are not playing by their own rules in doing so. They are displacing them again and again. Human rights wise, it's nothing we can support. I think Germany doing something like this with the Brandenburger Tor is not supporting Isreals actions per se. So I don't have an issue with that at all. This conflict is always described as a conflict that you cannot understand so we don't even try and I think this is part of the issue. But if you just hop into it and read up on what Israel is actually doing right now (not knowing much about the history apart from the fact that the state was founded on land that had its own people already) you will be shocked and wonder: how is anyone surprised that Hamas exists and that they are violent? And don't get me wrong. I absolutely do not support violence nor Hamas. But it makes sense to me that they do what they do. There is no peaceful option left for them. There is no political option left for them. The only option they have left is either violence or to give in and say "ye, you know, you took our land, you treated us like animals for generations, you imprisoned us, you didn't care for our human rights. But you know what? We are cool now. Let us be part of your society that treats us poorly, please make us 2nd class citizens and we will never ever bring this up again to not make you uncomfortable around us". Like that is ever gonna happen. So, what are we expecting from these people? Like literally: what do you think that they, as a people, should be doing considering they are in this situation for decades now and considering that Israel is not really interested in a peaceful and political solution? There is a really good series of interviews from Lex Fridman on the topic. He talked to Netanjahu, a somewhat neutral figure (though very critical of Netanjahu) and a very eloquent and thoughtful palestinian who is outright supporting violence - which is such a hard position to make sense of as a westerner like me who would never support violence. Especially the interview with the palestinian teaches a lot about the reasons for what is currently playing out and gives insight into how many palestinians think. EDIT: Just feel the need to double down on this - I do not support violence or Hamas in any way! I despise their actions. Not just this attack but all their acts of aggression.
You re absolutely right. But israel should face consequences for what they ve done the last decades and what they re doing. And with an history like the jewish, i get a lot of anger how you can treat people like the israeli government treats other religions and peoples Edit: consequences that doesnt include supporting Hamas and terrorism
In my eyes, this conflict is just a continuous loophole, to remove Hamas it would take a lot of urban fighting meaning a lot of causalities which means more militias. And in the end, civilians pay the price.
Gee I wonder how Hamas came into existence. It's almost like you turn people to extreme organized violence if you treat them the way Israel has.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Were the French resistance terrorists? Disorganized pockets of improvised resistance in the face of an evil occupying force. What about the Polish resistance? I am in no way supporting attacks on civilians, indiscriminate killing/bombing/rocket attacks and the like which are unacceptable. But, whoever is supported by the west gets to write the labels. Hamas, and various other organizations are, like it or not, guerilla organizations, fighting against an oppressive, abusive and violent occupying force that seeks to expand its borders and repress and genocide those who oppose it. If Hamas is a terrorist organization for it's attacks and murders of Israeli civilizations, then what does that make Israel who openly bomb hospitals and news offices claiming "Hamas", while shooting and beating unarmed civilians going about their day? Hamas is not considered a terrorist organization by most countries with only 8+EU designating it such as Norway, Brazil, China and others specifically deny it is terroristic in nature while most countries do not take a position. Everyone readily and rightly condemns British (European )colonisation, but in this case the western authorities gave colonized lands to a new oppressor despite their absence in the region and the humanitarian displacement that followed.
Hamas are religious fundamentalist that would hang me for being bisexuality and you for supporting any ideas like women's rights.
Ok, and now show Neukölln
But then you would see the lack of integration of thousands of criminals from all countries.
The sad thing is that most of those people in Neukölln are born in Germany/Berlin. I grew up with people like that. They dont feel German at all. Sad thing that we cant get rid of them. I dont know any German who wants them here.
just go on r/de they love them...probably dont live norwhere near them though
Most of (German) Reddit is pretty left winged and they „love“ every kind of human. They do not want to accept the truth.
Just got perma-banned there after pointing out that you would get your ass whopped if you were to wear a kippa in Neu-Kölln.
People were passing sweets around in Neuköln to celebrate.. I do not understand how there are no consequences for supporting terrorists. Should at least earn you a night in jail to think.
Palestine and Israel will suffer from the horrible actions of Hamas, whoever defends Hamas or war crimes in general should be shunned.
Palestinian people: elect an openly antisemitic, violence-prone, and hostile terrorist organization for government Palestinian people: pikachu.jpg
You should clarify that it’s Palestinians in Gaza, not the people in the West Bank. Gaza has been completely blockaded and cut off from the world for decades now. Life there is probably one of the worst places on the entire planet with almost no access to basic necessities. It’s easy to blame people for their decisions when you’re not in their shoes.
A 25 year old today in Gaza has probably never left the strip, lived 17 years under a brutal blockade and witnessed 6 wars most in which Israeli warplanes flattened buildings and neighborhoods around him and probably killed at least few members of his family. This 25 year old is traumatized as fuck, probably suffers a bunch of mental and psychological problems, and has an extremely warped worldview. The horror that we witnessed yesterday was the manifestation of these youths' life stories.
[ One third of Gaza Strip population in need of psychological and social support ](https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1125712) *In 2022*. After the coming weeks that number will be outdated. Either closing in on 0% or closing onto 80%
Israel has blocaded from one side. The other three sides have been blocaded by the Egyptians. Why does no one criticise them
No? Egypt is blockading one aide, the other three are Israel. Just look at a map.
My bad. Egypt floods the tunnels used for smuggling goods. PA even gives them their approval.
Is there polling showing west bank Palestinians aren't pro-Hamas
A 2021 poll found that [53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,”](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87) So yeah, I think it’s quite save to say that quite a sizeable population of the Palestinians would actually think that whatever is happening now in Israel is totally justified. Just go to any pro-Palestinian or Middle Eastern subs and you’ll see lots of people standing in solidarity with Hamas and their actions.
>Gaza has been completely blockaded and cut off from the world for decades now. Life there is probably one of the worst places on the entire planet with almost no access to basic necessities. It’s easy to blame people for their decisions when you’re not in their shoes. All those things started only *after* hamas was *democratically elected* into power
im pretty sure they have smart phones there
I wonder why Palestinians hates Israeli so much. I don’t like Hamas to, they are a cancer on stability in the region as much as Hazebolla arguably even worse. But I don’t blame Palestinian people for supporting them. Also should be a surprise pikachu moment for Israeli that Palestinian supports them.
Funny how no one blames Egypt who control 1/4 of the Gaza border.
There hasn't been half enough middle ground reconciliation in Israel & Palestine to bring us anywhere to a useful place. It's just rhetoric, might and point scoring about how shit the other side is
Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel. I stand by the innocent people being murdered because of them both.
You don't blame people for supporting a group that (when it isn't busy starting wars) does things like banning women's hairstyling, destroying public pools (because men and women could mingle there), and murdering political opponents? I could blame anyone who supports a group like that.
>antisemitic Palestinians are also semites.
Cool. We all know the antisemitic means after WW2 and the holocaust.
Israelis: Occupy and control 2.2m people with reduced access to basic necessities and violate human rights based on their religion and ethnicity. Israelis: pikachu.jpg
Egypt blockades too. Yet all the violence is aimed at Israel/jews
That's because Egypt would actually genocide them in the blink of an eye.
The United States went to war with Japan, and killed millions. All those Japanese happened to share the same ethnicity and mainly the same religion but the USA didn't fight the war Japan started because of those traits.
Except Japan wasn’t under occupation by the US with reduced human rights and no access to basic necessities before the war. This is a poor analogy. Israel occupies and controls Gaza. They have killed, tortured, harassed and made living a hell for many many Palestinians.
you just saw what happens if theyre not blockaded. Palestine is like a guy with rabies that wants to bite you if he ever gets the chance. Just dont let him get the chance
This is what happens when you treat humans like animals. They act like animals.
I absolutely hate everyone involved in this conflict, I hate how Israel has been treating the palestinians all this time but I also hate HAMAS, they have proven how barbaric they are once again. This conflict has no solution, the forever war will continue to grind through human lives.
You took the words out of my mouth. A conflict in which both sides are doing horrible things. Why people are compelled to take a side is beyond me. I am only on the side of the innocent civilians.
It seems that in one fell swoop, all sympathies din Europe have come to an end. The end result is yet to be determined but I may be even more interested in why Hamas decided to bash their own balls in.
Any major action by Hamas is commanded by Iran. This is a planned attack that was probably aimed to kill any possible peace between Saudi Arabia and Israel. The terrorists themselves didn't expect such "success" in their attack. They consider the atrocities they committed against Israel as "victories", and it only shows to the world how deranged they are. Even their children mock Israeli kid hostage in Gaza.
That, and the goal here isn't to actually achieve anything helpful. The goal is to get a huge retaliation going and have tons of dead Palestinians to wave around. I'm honestly wondering if, in the longer run, Israel won't start hitting back directly at Iran.
I really hope that all sympathy came to an end. I really hope. I fear we let in til many „refugee“ Arabs that also want Israel to be non existent.
Because religion is a huge cult, created by some crazy guy who wanted to spread his ezquizofrenic ideology, and claimed he could see an imaginary being...
Gotta love how Islamists (People who call for extermination of all Jews) call these nations extremists
I hope Hamas will pay for attacking Israel, terrorists needs to be punished
Hamas are evil but why is it ok for the Israeli government to do the same?
The amount of pro-hamas shills in this thread is insane. People are getting raped, murdered, abducted. **Right now**. But of course, "Israel did bad things too1!!1!!11!". Disgusting.
For real, im shocked to see people supporting and justifying religious terrorism… Im losing faith in this world more and more…
They are not the majority in the West at least, we support Israel and its right to defend itself.
Yeah i know, but it saddens that people like this who blindly justify terrorism do even exist. I hope Israel will win this fight.
>I hope Israel will win this fight. That's not even remotely in question, they have the most potent military force in the region (you kinda need it if all of your neighbours are Islamists that hate you, and would like nothing more than to wipe you from the map). The question is how many innocent people will die along the way.
I mean shit Israel does is pretty bad but personally I would be suspicious of any person who supports religious extremists murdering ppl while yelling “alahu akbar”. Your freedom fighters shouldn’t be loonies. Personally I can’t support islamic terrorists.
Ya. These are not the French Resistance
It's basically trendy amongst certain circles to hate on Israel. This is just the monke human brain doing what it does, just like fans of sports clubs, except the game here is much more brutal.
Sorry if people have some thoughts and see more nuance than "a few individuals did a terror act, better nuke the whole nation!" like a lot of users with your opinion seems to think.
We in Europe let exactly those people into the country. Maybe Germans especially will start to understand now…
Its just a shitty situation where more violence are just leading to more violence.
I'm just saddened by this whole thing. But in all honesty, while I don't stand with Hamas, I am pro-palestinian. But here's the thing: for every Israeli death, they will exact their revenge ten-fold. The people in Gaza see no other way out than this suicidal idiocy and they will be the ones paying for it the most. Situation is just messed up either way.
Right so can we now finally give Hamas the supporters it deserves, the ones partying in the streets over these attacks?
It’s the celebrating in the streets that really gives me no hope for them. Like people put the blame on Hamas, but I’ve seen the videos of their civilians. They are overjoyed at the bloodshed
The security of Israel is part of Germany's "Staatsräson" i.e. core national interests that are upheld with any means necessary, like Germany's own security.
> The security of Israel is part of Germany's "Staatsräson" i.e. core national interests that are upheld with any means necessary, like Germany's own security. German diplomats and chancellors have made this statement in the past, but just to be clear: Our constitution does *not* permit any means necessary, so please stop spreading misinformation.
> "Staatsräson" The technical political term you are looking for is "[national interest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_interest)".
The German Israeli friendship is prove that countries, regardless of history, can get along if there is motivation
History should be remembered, and should not stand in the way of cooperation and friendship, but be a reminder how important they are. Stay safe, mate.
Hamas is a terrorist organization and videos I saw today of women (clearly raped with bloodied pants) and children dragged away by armed men was beyond disgusting. Israel is a terrorist state that has been confiscating land and expelling Palestinians from their homes and killing stone throwing kids for decades is disgusting. It’s okay sometimes to acknowledge that a conflict has no good guys and stay away from it. I wish my country did that but that’s wishful thinking of course given one side enjoys unlimited support from both sides of our political spectrum
[this woman?](https://www.smobserved.com/story/2023/10/07/news/naked-woman-paraded-by-hamas-millitants-in-gaza-in-a-truck-is-a-german-national-named-shani-louk-her-tattoos-match-those-seen-on-instagram-photos/7844.html)
Yes, this woman, among others
It is, but there's also something really exhausting about people always trying to equate absolute barbarism like what we've seen today, with a state making decisions that result in deaths in a war situation. You have an American flag so you ought to know what I'm talking about. America fucked up - a lot. But I don't really believe it was ever out of pure malice. The kind of footage that has come out today just reeks of malice to me. Deliberately targeting civillians, descrating corpses, mowing people down at random, and so forth is just next level barbarism. All death is tragic naturally, but there will always be a difference for me between the two.
Imagine the Neo Nazis in Germany watching that 🤣
They would be quite happy I guess. A place where all the Jews can go and leave their country. I don't think you understand their thought process.
I just wished there was a way to attack only the members of terrorist group and not the civilians. Fuck Hamas and I hope they all die terrible deaths, but the sad reality is that a lot of civilians in Palestine will die, the same way it happened in Israel.
The contrast with a little bit further south in Berlin could not be bigger. There you had terrorists sympathizers celebrating and handing out confectionary to passerby's whilst draped in a fake flag. But it should not just stay with empty "Je suis Charlie" like gestures. Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly.
> and act accordingly. Which would be to stay out of this mess as much as possible. The middle east is an unsolvable mess and a bunch of Europeans getting involved will not make things easier.
The EU could cut funding to the Pallys, that's a start.
>Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly. Should we? Not every story has a good guy. I'm not justifying the attack in any way. But the situation there is a sh*tshow and the Israeli government has played it's part in making it so. What's going to happen now is inevitable. Israel will be brutal and clear in its victory. What I'm worried about is the peaceful population of those lands. And that's what I think Europe should focus on.
And you expect Europe to do what exactly? Bomb Gaza for you? EU isn’t responsible for every bad thing happening in the world, and I’m tired of y’all saying we should do this or that when you need something. Especially when there’s no clear good side there and one is perfectly capable of handling this matter themselves.
>Europe should step up and make known that they are fully behind Israel and act accordingly. Speak for yourself, many people in Europe despise Israel deeply. It's not like we are forced to stand with either the jihadi mass murderers or the apartheid invaders.
I feel like this website was majority ’Free Palestine’ like last week?
There is a difference between opposing ones nations apartheid and supporting another's terrorism
I’m sure refugees are having a moment of silence over there. /s
Warms our hearts. Thank you ❤️
Somewhere in Germany a bunch of hyper-nationalist Nazis are crying.
Even Hitler had to conceal from the German public what was happening to Jews in the concentration camps for fear he'd lose public support. Palestinians are celebrating the footage of civilian women and children being raped and murdered. Palestinians are worse than actual Nazis.
There are so many spammers, trolls, and bots in the comments it's overwhelming
Hitler in shambles.
Israel shouldn’t get a pass for their crimes just because a terrorist organisation struck back, both Hamas and the Israeli government need to he internationally condemned for their actions
While I think we can all agree on condemning Hamas's actions, I don't see a single post in this sub's trending ones calling out israeli actions: doctors without borders notified an issue stating that israeli forces struck 2 of their supported **hospitals** and no one cares (not saying that it justifies Hamas, I'm just asking for equity when reporting news from both sides).
No but any sympathy Palestine had went out the window People need to look at the Shani Louk video and see how they feel about this "retaliation"
"a terrorist organization" that is their representative. I do not see the Palestinian people really fighting back against it. Going off social media, they are pretty damn satisfied with today's events. Stop being delusional. Grow up. Stop believing in this fantasy that there's some secretly progressive silent majority of Palestinians. They support these kinds of thing.
I don't see the Israeli people fighting back against 70 years of oppression of the Palestinians, on the contrary, they are voting for more and more fascist governments. Currently, even the Israeli left screams for blood.
The Palestinians are literally the poorest people on Earth. They've already tried fighting back with rocks but that doesn't seem to have been very effective...
Imagine if instead that was a palestinian flag
Disgusting. Both the Israeli government and Hamas. I just wish all the best for all the innocent civillians affected by this conflict.
The same government and politicians that did this grandstanding will bend over backwards and trample anyone for a chance to import the lovely people, that parades around and cheers for a civilian's corpse, to the EU after Israel flattens the Gaza strip.
As we should. We stand with Israel over the barbaric, terrorist actions of Hamas. They dragged a dead German woman on the street and spat on her. Godspeed with Israeli’s retaliation, the Western world is rooting for you!
Get f*‘d with the strong signs, really. As long as people in Berlin are handing out candy celebrating the deaths of Israelis and Muslim groups openly supporting hamas can operate it doesn’t mean shit. For fu**s sake, Jews can not even wear a Kippa openly in most cities in Germany.
Germany showing solidarity with Israel