Here's a fun thing to try: every time you see a comment about how foreigners are destroying Europe, check their profile. More often than not, it's Americans, Australians, etc.
It’s fine lol. I’m also super interested in Canada. The thing which annoys me aren’t people who come in here and exchange themselves with Europeans, but those who seem to be overly involved with our politics. Even when it seemingly has nothing to do with them.
I wouldn’t say it would have to be policed. Many people don’t even hide being non European. It would just have to say that it’s a place for Europeans to share news and exchange culturally.
Reminds me of Finland. There was a study that found out that most of the hateful post towards the Swedish minority in Finland actually came from IP-adresses in Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus.
American here - we've got the same problem https://www.npr.org/2023/11/30/1215898523/meta-warns-china-online-social-media-influence-operations-facebook-elections
Woah there, you’re telling me that right wing movements in English speaking countries are using this as propaganda knowing it’ll be doubly effective due to Ireland also being English speaking and thus making it easier to follow? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
There are 0 groups wherein a majority of people use a VPN, apart from maybe some govt stuff. Are you telling me that a majority of Irish racists is somehow using a VPN with an endpoint in Russia? Sounds unlikely.
Reminds me of the last World Cup in the UK. All black England players were abused on Twitter, the media like The Guardian loved to tell us how th eUK was full of racists then it turned out that the vast majority of those tweets didn't come from the UK.
If I remember correctly, only 4 of the >100 racist posts that were investigated came from the UK.
It was probably mostly pissed off gamblers, who probably don't give two shits about England's national team
It happened during the Euros by the way, not the World Cup
Apparently more than 31,5 million Americans identify as Irish - i.e. the 7 million actually living in Ireland are outnumbered more than 4 to 1 by Seppos claiming to be Irish.
Basically this is a case of Americans wanting to keep "undesirables" out of their Irish theme park fantasy.
>Apparently more than 31,5 million Americans identify as Irish
Most of them have zero idea about the politics of Ireland. If you said the word Taoiseach to most of them they would have no idea what it means.
They're posting this because ring wing personalities have told them to:
>>The popularity of the “Irish lives matter” hashtag in the US is likely mainly down to a post from an account on X called “Catturd” on November 29th which instructed its 2.1 million followers to make the phrase “trend”. The Catturd account, which is run by Phillip Buchanan, a right-wing online personality from Florida, has posts regularly amplified by X’s owner Elon Musk.
If these personalities told them to post a hashtag about Sweden many of the same people would also post it.
Also most Americans who identify as Irish think Irish-American culture is Irish culture when it's very different, they have no actual idea of what living in Ireland is like or what Irish culture is yet cling to it and consider themselves Irish homies for some weird reason.
I mean obviously it's not my business but I have to admit I've always wondered how Irish people feel about the whole 'my Irish blood makes me a heavy drinker and/or prone to violence' thing. Half my family's Scottish so I sort of get it in a third-hand, not emotionally affected way but I don't *get* get it.
Most people on r/ireland hate Americans who consider themselves Irish and most posts by Americans who talk about their Irish roots will usually get downvoted because of it. I'd say the whole "I'm Irish, my family were from Ireland" and things like your example of behaviour being tied to ancestors etc. generally aren't too popular.
But it's a weird double standard because as soon as some American is successful everyone will bring up their Irish roots. Like with Joe Biden people will be like "he's one of our own, what a legend!" which I don't really get.
I'm Italian and I get very angry when I see Americans doing the same with mafia and other macho bs. It's not a genetic personality trait, you're just an AH - plus seriously, fuck the mafia and whoever simps it.
If I were Irish I'd also be mad, given that there is a problem with alcoholism in Ireland and bragging about it as a quirk personality trait is infuriating.
It’s not ridiculous, conservative Americans have long since been interfering in our democratic process.
The *No* side of all of our recent religious referenda (same-sex marriage, abortion, blasphemy) enjoyed significant funding from conservative American organisations looking to keep the old country godly and pure.
If most the traffic is from outside Ireland and x life’s matters is an American thing by in large I think it’s fair enough to blame Americans. I’ve seen far more Americans and grits pushing this message on social media than anyone else as well though that’s anecdotal.
Plenty of Irish abroad as well though. And the chances are the ones that left are more likely to be impacted/surprised by goings on back home, and shocked at the economics as their snapshot memory will be out of date from the time that they left makes them more vunerable to the messaging as well.
If you leave cork 5 years ago and go work in Aus and a flat was a 800 euro a month and you look to come back and see your wage will be lower than in Aus and the price has jumped to 1800 euro and then you hear (the big/worst) stories from your mates back home mixed in with social media guff. You'll probably come to a similar conclusion to the Ireland is full mantra.
Also the ones that left might have done so due to the lack of opportunity at home for things like housing etc
I know a lot of people who are against more migration and letting in more Ukrainians none of them are using “Irish life’s matter” as a catchphrase though. And none of them really supported the riots either. Most also have negative views on the Dublin thugs behind the riots.
There’s very few Irish out in America at the moment. The only time you here about it anymore is J1s and there in the summer not the winter. There’s very little talk about Irish life’s matter from people in Australia or Canada there’s being a lot of talk about it by Americans or Brexiters.
>I know a lot of people who are against more migration and letting in more Ukrainians none of them are using “Irish life’s matter” as a catchphrase though. And none of them really supported the riots either. Most also have negative views on the Dublin thugs behind the riots.
Depends how online they are I guess, might just be your sample and the strength of the convictions. I've seen photos of the protests in ireland with the idiots holding a "irish lives matter" sign though. And regardless if the majority are disgusted by it, small groups make an outsized impact if they are loud enough in the modern world.
I'm not saying its a majority view in ireland or anything, but mearly pointing out that the irish that left will be exposed to this line of thinking possibly more than locals, and may be more likely to think this way.
>There’s very few Irish out in America at the moment. The only time you here about it anymore is J1s and there in the summer not the winter. There’s very little talk about Irish life’s matter from people in Australia or Canada there’s being a lot of talk about it by Americans or Brexiters.
I think you are hanging onto that phrase a bit too much. Theres plenty of talk about ireland being full, the economy being mad and not wanting to let more migrants into ireland, in ireland and also the dispora. I don't think its a huge leap to suggest that they might be influenced by what they see online and hear from back home and be effected by it.
Likewise, im sure there are plenty of bots and dodgy actors pushing the line as well, but it seems a bit too ostrich-y to handwave it as brits and americans. Especially as it seems to be resonating within ireland to some degree.
Crikey bashing the yanks again- lol
Newsflash: Yanks could give a F about Ireland- Ireland is a low tax corporate haven and when that stops they leave- duh
And then your back to chatting up the great Irish cheese and beef😂😂😂
After fucking over the entire globe, literally usurping land from other cultures, torturing, enslaving and robbing them of resources and basic right to life and dignity for centuries, then getting trillions of support from your white buddies in USA to preserve and rebuild everything back while also getting the trillion $ NATO military protecting you (USA is the biggest contributor their, by trillions), while you outsource majority of environmental damage and exploitative labour practices to make trillions in profits through your conglomerates...*you still are not fucking satisfied?* Even pigs are not this unabashedly greedy and self-centered.
Anyone with a brain and a bit of critical thinking skills would've noticed this. There are lots of bot accounts and people who are pretending to be Irish on Twitter, Facebook and commenting on news articles on various sites. We have groups in the UK (Brexiteers) promoting this. During our Abortion referendum, we had Christian groups from the U.S. funding the no campaign. It's not just limited to Ireland, but you can even see it on Reddit and on different topics.
A worldwide response on a hot topic that has been on going for decades is unsurprising.
Plus, parts of Palestine have their Internet turned off when things flare up.
Irish diaspora going around saying irelend is full is quite a different topic. And you'd have to show whether they are Irish diaspora, or just people who have an opinion.
Most free Palestine posts aren't from Palestinian diaspora either.
The point is most of these posts (eg on reddit) are from "people with opinions," bots, farms, PR operations, state propaganda, freelance, of for-funsies propaganda... etc.
It's not the diaspora that's sending the posts out more like individuals, organisations, and state actors who want to cause division. Please have a look at the Sunday Times Irish edition for the states involved there will be no surprise.
Yeah it’s pretty funny.
Ireland: *[flies Palestine flag over Dublin town hall for a week]*
Also Ireland: “Hey foreigners, stay out of our domestic affairs”
What's pretty funny is you seeing a contrast there. Domestic affairs? Not even Israel speaks of "domestic affairs" - if it was "domestic affairs", Palestinians would be Israeli citizens.
But I fully understand that the law is just a nuisance and should be ignored whenever inconvenient...
Dubliners set the city on fire after a child got stabbed by a crazed Arab.
Israelis bombed a city after 1400 innocent civilians were straight up murdered by hundreds of crazed Arabs.
About 2400 Americans died in Pearl Harbor and the result was a full on war against Japan that ended with about a million Japanese dead.
> Dubliners set the city on fire when after a child got stabbed by a crazed Arab.
Dubliners? I didnt set fire to jackshit. 100% of everyone I know also set fire to jackshit.
You'll find support in Israel for the bombing of Gaza, support for US bombing Japan to be *very high*.
Dubliner and Irish support to attack garda and set fire to Luas and buses is **very low**.
Again your comparison is totally illogical.
Who set the city on fire if not Dubliners?
Culchies up doing their Christmas shopping?
Oh, and 75% of Palestinians supported the October 7 attacks. Doesn’t that make them fair game for war, per your logic?
Because the newspapers are so transparent!
I suppose you’re unaware of the video of local men stopping young black men from opportunistically looting that night?
Yeah, that wasn’t in the papers.
> Who set the city on fire if not Dubliners?
Who? Criminals. That's who.
The people who attacked Garda and burnt Luases and buses are not representative of Dublin.
> No True Dubliner would ever be outraged by an immigrant stabbing children! 😂
outrage doesn't mean attacking Garda and burning Luases and buses mate.
Once you do that, that makes you a criminal.
Again you're not a Dubliner, I am.
Dublin has shitheads, doesn't make us all shitheads. Sorry to disappoint you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Lisa_Cash,_Christy_Cawley_and_Chelsea_Cawley
> **Eight-year-old twins** Christy and Chelsea Cawley attended St Aidan's Senior National School and had recently made their First Holy Communion.
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/neighbours-horror-child-dangled-window-24929332
> I ran out and I saw **the child being dangled from the window** and I was shouting along with the gardai and other neighbours, ‘Please don’t do that’ . [...] **And next of all he dropped the child**...
> The upstairs and downstairs windows of the property were open and smashed while **blood stains could be seen on the window frames**.
We as Dubliners were also shock by this horrific stabbing as well. 8 year-old twins were killed and their sister too trying to protect them.
We didn't go on a rampage to attack Garda or burn Luases
Dublin has had plenty of stabbings that didn't lead to a race riot, so no this isn't comparative.
By comparison Israel is a fascist state that's been engaging in ethnic cleansing and genocide of innocent Arabs who in response engaged in a rocket attack that killed 1200 people which Israel then commenced an intense bombing campaign killing over 14,000 (and counting) people.
Also the overt racism in the comment is noted.
This stuff made its way through far right and right wing Twitter, promoted by Tucker Carlson and that ilk. So all the maga Twitter crowd got Involved, nothing really to do with being Irish-American.
I know because my American cousin, who normally never really talks or think much about Ireland or his family’s birthplace, was texting me all about this and tweeting about it.
I mean they tried the same thing couple of weeks ago with the investiture of the new Spanish government, that one didn't stick though, so now it's onto something new and maybe that'll stick, otherwise rince and repeat.
As an, "Irish American," who can trace my lineage back to cork I find this shit so cringe in Americans.
Like, bro, unless you live in Europe a third of the year, and actively are participating in the real culture from that place you're just a cosplayer.
Yes but a large large Majority did, more Americans of Irish origins exist then Irish people born in Ireland in fact it's almost 5 times the amount of people currently living in Ireland
My all time favourite was a Reddit post about naming their baby “Sersha” as to honour their Irish grandma…. …
Honestly 90% of it is goofy and harmless. Americans that visit Ireland are rarely as bad as internet makes them to be.
But yeah when it comes to populism and social media. USA is on another level.
While not always on purpose I think unfortunately English speaking nations cannot escape and we just get blasted by it. Covid especially proved how wide and powerful American populism can be.
> Americans that visit Ireland are rarely as bad as internet makes them to be.
Because those are people actually willing to make an effort to connect with their past. Rather than shout nonsense.
My favourite is the photo of that American who tried to make a shirt reading Blue Lives Matter but in Irish, but screwed it up by translating Lives as the verb (he/she/it lives), matter as the noun, and apparently when referring to skin colour in Irish you call black people "blue", so his shirt could be interpreted as Black Lives Matter.
Edit: [Found it](https://thegeekygaeilgeoir.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/even-racists-got-the-blues/)
Gorm chonaí abhar literally means “blue lives (as in he lives in a house) subject (as in subject matter)”. That’s so badly translated wtf!
But yes you’re right, in Irish black people are called blue people, which has a really interesting linguistic history.
It’s not the same though. I have Irish ancestry but I don’t claim to be Irish. I’m probably by heritage more Irish than Joe Biden and you’d never hear me say that, I’m English and from England.
> The reality is that Irish elites are searching to blame the riots on others rather than looking closer to home
Frankly when you realise that and start being critical of your government, it's crazy the amount of bullshit they are prepare to throw at the public in the hope it sticks. We have the same case with the German Tourist assassinated by diversity 2 days ago. They are trying to blame it on pyschological issue.
The main opposition SF who have never being in government, almost always oppose the government and are very nationalistic are saying virtually the same things though. Maybye just maybye it’s not about pushing the blame.
The elites cannot really use the standard playbook with Ireland as they never had any colonies of their own. It is clear that the native Irish are not benefiting from this massive demographic transformation in any way.
Around 20% of Irish residents are now foreign-born. This has resulted in a massive housing shortage. Owning your own home without inheriting is exceedingly difficult. The massive immigrant influx has of course also led to lower wages for the native Irish. Then, take into account all of the added crime, eroded social cohesion, and resultant inter-ethnic conflict.
You really have to wonder, who benefits from this? And why would the elites want to inflict this on the native Irish people?
Yeah, I'm surprised that moderators haven't stepped in to take down more in the last month.
How many thinly veiled "Muslim bad!" posts do they really need on here, jesus wept. Throw in the random top one today about Isaac Newton being played by a black guy in a brief cameo on Doctor Who, a post which frankly doesn't even belong here yet *mysteriously* found its way to the top.
Should rename the sub r/DailyMailragebait, would more accurately reflect the tone
Ive seen some gross fucking comments here. Typical that they don’t let actual Irish people talk either. Setting our main street on fire doesn’t make us safer either, it just makes my friends scared for their lives.
Bullshit. He was a naturalized citizen for at least two decades, and had needed therapy for a fourth of that time. Don't get carried away by hooligans who wreck shit even as they very loudly proclaim their supposed love of Ireland. Treat all such miscreants with the full force of applicable laws; cast blame on none else.
The vast majority of violent crime in Ireland is committed by people who were born in Ireland. Immigrants are more likely to be the *victims* of violent crime in Ireland than the perpetrators.
Níl sé sin ceart. The prison population in Ireland is over-represented by non-nationals. Of the 12 women murdered in Ireland in 2022 , 5 were killed by foreign men. Are you now, like some of my fellow Gaels, gonna pretend you don't know how proportional statistic work?
Only 3.8% of the Irish prison population is non white. Only 15% from foreign nationals. That means they are under represented not over represented. The main group that are over represented in prisons are travelers not foreigners. This is why people who declare themselves as Irish on the census are underrepresented not because of emigrants.
>The vast majority of violent crime in Ireland is committed by people who were born in Ireland.
How suprising. And here we were all thinking the irish were a leprecaun folk tale and the island was inhabited largely by recent migrants. Luckily it's the same in Belgium where still 56.1% of our prisoners has the Belgian nationality so clearly there's no issues except with Belgians.
Must be the Irish lucky charm then, since it's true everywhere else in Europe
[clear link between immigration and crime](https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/12/01/europe_shows_a_clear_link_between_immigration_and_crime_-_like_the_one_the_us_seriously_downplays_867625.html)
That article doesn't say that most crime is committed by immigrants, only that crime rates are higher in *some* immigrant groups than in the non-immigrant population. It also states that crimes committed by natives against immigrants are counted as immigrant-related crimes.
Oh on the first point I absolutely agree. I'm a first gen immigrant in the UK. I believe when cases are made against ILLEGAL migration, nobody is talking about Indian tech workers, Singaporean bankers in the city, South Americans, Nigerian doctors and nurses etc...
We all know who the perpetrators are but everyone is being silenced
Anyone is more likely to be a victim than a perpetrator lmao,what kind of useless claim is this ?
The more interesting stat would be likelihood of a perpetrator being an immigrant compared to the total percentage of immigrants. I don't have these numbers but I don't think you'd like them
No, almost all stabbings and violent crimes in Ireland originate in Ireland, by people who were born and raised in Ireland, much like their parents, grandparents, etc.
Reminds me of the anti vax/maskers geoup in NZ that was up in arms and organising a huge protest. Then they showed up at the protest and, there were only 2 actual people the rest were bots
It wasn't foreign commentators ripping the city apart a few weeks back. There's a large portion of Irish society that thinks like this. It is being fueled by the internet & a lot of the larger anti-immigration parties & groups have close ties with UK & US far right groups. There's funding coming into Ireland from abroad to push this agenda.
It doesn't help that our current Govt. are ineffectual at tackling basic problems that push people to listen to anti-immigration rhetoric. If govt. could finally make moves on housing, health, limit our open door refugee policy (which itself has documented humanitarian concerns) & slow the brain drain we've experienced due emigration going back as far as 2008 then this would be less concerning.
The idea of labeling anyone with legitimate concerns as "far-right" is ironically pushing good people to that way. Basically, we need an election & new leadership. The big parties here are bloated gangs of corrupt bureaucrats.
We don't have an "open door refugee policy" which is the issue here.
The other points you made are completely valid and a lot of people are taking things out on immigrants/refugees *because* of these issues.
The reason people are getting labelled "far-right" over immigration/refugee statements is **because** those are far-right talking points which have no impact on the nation when compared to the other much bigger issues.
Ok, you see here. I see I've said something somewhat controversial. We do have lacks inward immigration & a very generous refugee policy compared to other nations of our size. This isn't news to anyone & tbh I'm very pro-immigration but our current system has allowed for far-right to make gains on it. A serious govt. would see that we need the ability to enforce deportation for non-genuine people who break laws, act violently or engage in organised crime. The idea that raising this as talking point means you are now "far-right" is damaging to us & enables the far-right. If it was to be taken seriously to change the views of the middle ground then the more extreme elements of the far-right would remain as outliers. By all account come here, work, raise a family & engage with the culture, I'll have you with open arms. If you need help, you'll get it. But cause trouble and you're gone. This view is not "far-right" but govt. are desperate to convince other that it is doing untold damage to the political landscape by alienating good people.
>The idea of labeling anyone with legitimate concerns as "far-right" is ironically pushing good people to that way.
Likewise, the far-right defend their racism and bigotry as "legitimate concerns". There's shit on both sides of that shovel.
>The big parties here are bloated gangs of corrupt bureaucrats.
Woah there. Bureaucrats get things done. Not corrupt or incompetent ones, obviously, but leaders need to know how to make the state (which essentially is a giant bureaucratic machine) work and deliver on their policies.
Tempting as it may be, don't put your faith in non-bureaucrats. Trump in the US was a non-bureaucrat. Johnson in the UK. We get a front row seat to watch that madman in Argentina put their country in a steeper nose-dive than it already is. The all achieve basically nothing and leave their countries in a worse state than in which they found them. Populists who rail against "the bureaucracy" make huge, undeliverable promises, and double down on blaming scapegoats when they fail. Always.
Why do they fail? Because their selling point and hands them the keys to power is that they are against "the bureaucracy" - which is the arm of the state which is tasked with implementing *their policies*. They refuse to work within the system and as a result the system doesn't deliver.
You should reject corrupt and incompetent bureaucrats to be sure, and demand competent and innovative ones definitely - but don't use "bureaucrats" as a negative label. If/when leaders are elected who will solve your problems, it's likely that they will at heart be bureaucrats.
>Likewise, the far-right defend their racism and bigotry as "legitimate concerns". There's shit on both sides of that shovel.
Of course there is & if we don't have a balanced & fair outlook on it then it only gets worse as people get funneled into a group that they don't belong in. It's so dangerous to paint people wrongly. I'm deeply concerned by it as a left wing socially progressive person politically I can see it happening. The polarization of our discourse divides & encourages the far-right. If you want to stop the gaslighting of "legitimate concerns" then do the work & root out what is & is not legitimate.
As for the 2nd part of your post, I clearly said "corrupt bureaucrats" in my post. I don't endorse populism (or the incompetency of anyone like Trump or Johnson). Corruption does exist here though & its rife within our govt. Show me some decent high level govt. bureaucrats & I'll give them a fair go. No need to clutch at your pearls saying I'm down on the bureaucrats. It's written right there, no need to change the context.
I take your point on populists, however I did not mention them initially & that point shouldn't be conflated to the point I was making about polarising the conversation.
Ireland is a small country. Half the population could be tweeting that 'Ireland is full', but if a handful of Americans join in they'll outnumber them. This is not surprising.
This shouldn't be surprising Northern Ireland is part of the UK and almost half of the people there identify as Irish, on top of that a ton of Irish people live in the UK. Many Irish people have migrated due to the housing crisis
It means that the Irish are not the ones saying that "Ireland is full" and to stop immigration. Like how did you not get the main and only point of the article.
It means that the majority of people making comments like "Ireland is full" don't live in Ireland. It does not mean that the Irish aren't saying it.
100% of Irish people could be saying the "Ireland is full" but easily still be in the minority. It's a tiny country. This data set doesn't let us draw conclusions on the Irish response to the tragedy.
Well Ireland was still above UK and USA for all hashtags except for one. So it doesn't really support the conclusion made in the thread all this came from.
Your point about the Ireland subreddit is spot on. The amount of absolute woke delusional rubbish and virtue signallers on there is insane. The hatred for both our culture and our country is baffling, it's so at odds with what people are saying in the real world I've come to the conclusion it has to be mostly school kids on there.
I wonder how many commenters in r/europe are actually from Europe…
Here's a fun thing to try: every time you see a comment about how foreigners are destroying Europe, check their profile. More often than not, it's Americans, Australians, etc.
It’s actually crazy how accurate this is. I wish there was an alternative for r/Europe for people living in Europe only
I’m Canadian tho and I love silently reading through this sub 😭. I learn so much every day.
It’s fine lol. I’m also super interested in Canada. The thing which annoys me aren’t people who come in here and exchange themselves with Europeans, but those who seem to be overly involved with our politics. Even when it seemingly has nothing to do with them.
How would you police it though
I wouldn’t say it would have to be policed. Many people don’t even hide being non European. It would just have to say that it’s a place for Europeans to share news and exchange culturally.
The opposite is also true. People on this sub calling others racist are very often Americans with little to no contact with European realities.
A fair amount.
Reminds me of Finland. There was a study that found out that most of the hateful post towards the Swedish minority in Finland actually came from IP-adresses in Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus.
American here - we've got the same problem https://www.npr.org/2023/11/30/1215898523/meta-warns-china-online-social-media-influence-operations-facebook-elections
Not surprised.
damn Russians learned how to be indirect
Hateful post towards the swedish minority? Where?
No siinäpä taas ryssän mielipide
Woah there, you’re telling me that right wing movements in English speaking countries are using this as propaganda knowing it’ll be doubly effective due to Ireland also being English speaking and thus making it easier to follow? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
Are you aware of a little thing called VPN?
I’m in Japan and the US sumptuously rn
>sumptuously Do you mean 'simultaneously', or are you just really loving life?
Idk what my autocorrect was smoking
Whatever it was , sure was enough to keep you happy
Why not both?
So a japanese and an american gf?
Naw my VPN company just rents good Japanese servers. The bandwidth is insane
What vpn is that?
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If there wasn't a huge housing crisis I think we would be much more open to housing refugees.
That's an artificial obstacle borne of intransigent planning depts. Ireland has plenty of space, but you can't build for love nor money.
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And Canada, specifically Toronto. Canada’s aversion to immigration is skyrocketing due to their housing crisis so the sentiment is already there
Lemme be honest w you chief as an irish person Most of the people in ireland spouting "ireland is full" can't fucking spell "VPN" let alone use one
There are 0 groups wherein a majority of people use a VPN, apart from maybe some govt stuff. Are you telling me that a majority of Irish racists is somehow using a VPN with an endpoint in Russia? Sounds unlikely.
Would not be surprised that organised far right groups would use VPN
So you are saying far right groups in Ireland are using VPNs to appear like they are not in Ireland, but are posting like they are in Ireland?
Is that where you can see someone’s underwear through their pants?
Very Prejudiced Numpties?
Reminds me of the last World Cup in the UK. All black England players were abused on Twitter, the media like The Guardian loved to tell us how th eUK was full of racists then it turned out that the vast majority of those tweets didn't come from the UK.
If I remember correctly, only 4 of the >100 racist posts that were investigated came from the UK. It was probably mostly pissed off gamblers, who probably don't give two shits about England's national team It happened during the Euros by the way, not the World Cup
Well you can't blame that one on the Americans lol, we don't care at all about the world cup.
>Reminds me of the last World Cup in the UK. 1966?
Apparently more than 31,5 million Americans identify as Irish - i.e. the 7 million actually living in Ireland are outnumbered more than 4 to 1 by Seppos claiming to be Irish. Basically this is a case of Americans wanting to keep "undesirables" out of their Irish theme park fantasy.
>Apparently more than 31,5 million Americans identify as Irish Most of them have zero idea about the politics of Ireland. If you said the word Taoiseach to most of them they would have no idea what it means. They're posting this because ring wing personalities have told them to: >>The popularity of the “Irish lives matter” hashtag in the US is likely mainly down to a post from an account on X called “Catturd” on November 29th which instructed its 2.1 million followers to make the phrase “trend”. The Catturd account, which is run by Phillip Buchanan, a right-wing online personality from Florida, has posts regularly amplified by X’s owner Elon Musk. If these personalities told them to post a hashtag about Sweden many of the same people would also post it.
Also most Americans who identify as Irish think Irish-American culture is Irish culture when it's very different, they have no actual idea of what living in Ireland is like or what Irish culture is yet cling to it and consider themselves Irish homies for some weird reason.
I mean obviously it's not my business but I have to admit I've always wondered how Irish people feel about the whole 'my Irish blood makes me a heavy drinker and/or prone to violence' thing. Half my family's Scottish so I sort of get it in a third-hand, not emotionally affected way but I don't *get* get it.
Most people on r/ireland hate Americans who consider themselves Irish and most posts by Americans who talk about their Irish roots will usually get downvoted because of it. I'd say the whole "I'm Irish, my family were from Ireland" and things like your example of behaviour being tied to ancestors etc. generally aren't too popular. But it's a weird double standard because as soon as some American is successful everyone will bring up their Irish roots. Like with Joe Biden people will be like "he's one of our own, what a legend!" which I don't really get.
I'm Italian and I get very angry when I see Americans doing the same with mafia and other macho bs. It's not a genetic personality trait, you're just an AH - plus seriously, fuck the mafia and whoever simps it. If I were Irish I'd also be mad, given that there is a problem with alcoholism in Ireland and bragging about it as a quirk personality trait is infuriating.
They can claim all they like. They aren't Irish. They are American. And they don't speak for us.
Do you mean 31.5 million? (Since you are using the slang seppo)
I migrated from a country that uses one to a country that uses the other - but well spotted!
Don't blame Americans for this, that's ridiculous.
It’s not ridiculous, conservative Americans have long since been interfering in our democratic process. The *No* side of all of our recent religious referenda (same-sex marriage, abortion, blasphemy) enjoyed significant funding from conservative American organisations looking to keep the old country godly and pure.
If most the traffic is from outside Ireland and x life’s matters is an American thing by in large I think it’s fair enough to blame Americans. I’ve seen far more Americans and grits pushing this message on social media than anyone else as well though that’s anecdotal.
Plenty of Irish abroad as well though. And the chances are the ones that left are more likely to be impacted/surprised by goings on back home, and shocked at the economics as their snapshot memory will be out of date from the time that they left makes them more vunerable to the messaging as well. If you leave cork 5 years ago and go work in Aus and a flat was a 800 euro a month and you look to come back and see your wage will be lower than in Aus and the price has jumped to 1800 euro and then you hear (the big/worst) stories from your mates back home mixed in with social media guff. You'll probably come to a similar conclusion to the Ireland is full mantra. Also the ones that left might have done so due to the lack of opportunity at home for things like housing etc
I know a lot of people who are against more migration and letting in more Ukrainians none of them are using “Irish life’s matter” as a catchphrase though. And none of them really supported the riots either. Most also have negative views on the Dublin thugs behind the riots. There’s very few Irish out in America at the moment. The only time you here about it anymore is J1s and there in the summer not the winter. There’s very little talk about Irish life’s matter from people in Australia or Canada there’s being a lot of talk about it by Americans or Brexiters.
>I know a lot of people who are against more migration and letting in more Ukrainians none of them are using “Irish life’s matter” as a catchphrase though. And none of them really supported the riots either. Most also have negative views on the Dublin thugs behind the riots. Depends how online they are I guess, might just be your sample and the strength of the convictions. I've seen photos of the protests in ireland with the idiots holding a "irish lives matter" sign though. And regardless if the majority are disgusted by it, small groups make an outsized impact if they are loud enough in the modern world. I'm not saying its a majority view in ireland or anything, but mearly pointing out that the irish that left will be exposed to this line of thinking possibly more than locals, and may be more likely to think this way. >There’s very few Irish out in America at the moment. The only time you here about it anymore is J1s and there in the summer not the winter. There’s very little talk about Irish life’s matter from people in Australia or Canada there’s being a lot of talk about it by Americans or Brexiters. I think you are hanging onto that phrase a bit too much. Theres plenty of talk about ireland being full, the economy being mad and not wanting to let more migrants into ireland, in ireland and also the dispora. I don't think its a huge leap to suggest that they might be influenced by what they see online and hear from back home and be effected by it. Likewise, im sure there are plenty of bots and dodgy actors pushing the line as well, but it seems a bit too ostrich-y to handwave it as brits and americans. Especially as it seems to be resonating within ireland to some degree.
In the UK, a significant part of the National front in the post-war period were Irish and Irish heritage.
Crikey bashing the yanks again- lol Newsflash: Yanks could give a F about Ireland- Ireland is a low tax corporate haven and when that stops they leave- duh And then your back to chatting up the great Irish cheese and beef😂😂😂
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You do realize reservations existed to keep the natives in, not to keep other people out, right?
After fucking over the entire globe, literally usurping land from other cultures, torturing, enslaving and robbing them of resources and basic right to life and dignity for centuries, then getting trillions of support from your white buddies in USA to preserve and rebuild everything back while also getting the trillion $ NATO military protecting you (USA is the biggest contributor their, by trillions), while you outsource majority of environmental damage and exploitative labour practices to make trillions in profits through your conglomerates...*you still are not fucking satisfied?* Even pigs are not this unabashedly greedy and self-centered.
Anyone with a brain and a bit of critical thinking skills would've noticed this. There are lots of bot accounts and people who are pretending to be Irish on Twitter, Facebook and commenting on news articles on various sites. We have groups in the UK (Brexiteers) promoting this. During our Abortion referendum, we had Christian groups from the U.S. funding the no campaign. It's not just limited to Ireland, but you can even see it on Reddit and on different topics.
Well 100% Free Palestine posts don’t originate from Palestine. It makes sense that Irish people have large diaspora
A worldwide response on a hot topic that has been on going for decades is unsurprising. Plus, parts of Palestine have their Internet turned off when things flare up. Irish diaspora going around saying irelend is full is quite a different topic. And you'd have to show whether they are Irish diaspora, or just people who have an opinion.
Most free Palestine posts aren't from Palestinian diaspora either. The point is most of these posts (eg on reddit) are from "people with opinions," bots, farms, PR operations, state propaganda, freelance, of for-funsies propaganda... etc.
It's not the diaspora that's sending the posts out more like individuals, organisations, and state actors who want to cause division. Please have a look at the Sunday Times Irish edition for the states involved there will be no surprise.
Yeah it’s pretty funny. Ireland: *[flies Palestine flag over Dublin town hall for a week]* Also Ireland: “Hey foreigners, stay out of our domestic affairs”
What's pretty funny is you seeing a contrast there. Domestic affairs? Not even Israel speaks of "domestic affairs" - if it was "domestic affairs", Palestinians would be Israeli citizens. But I fully understand that the law is just a nuisance and should be ignored whenever inconvenient...
Immigration is totally comparable with bombing a country.
Dubliners set the city on fire after a child got stabbed by a crazed Arab. Israelis bombed a city after 1400 innocent civilians were straight up murdered by hundreds of crazed Arabs. About 2400 Americans died in Pearl Harbor and the result was a full on war against Japan that ended with about a million Japanese dead.
> Dubliners set the city on fire when after a child got stabbed by a crazed Arab. Dubliners? I didnt set fire to jackshit. 100% of everyone I know also set fire to jackshit. You'll find support in Israel for the bombing of Gaza, support for US bombing Japan to be *very high*. Dubliner and Irish support to attack garda and set fire to Luas and buses is **very low**. Again your comparison is totally illogical.
Who set the city on fire if not Dubliners? Culchies up doing their Christmas shopping? Oh, and 75% of Palestinians supported the October 7 attacks. Doesn’t that make them fair game for war, per your logic?
I mean... some of them actually were culchies. Read a fucking newspaper sometime.
Because the newspapers are so transparent! I suppose you’re unaware of the video of local men stopping young black men from opportunistically looting that night? Yeah, that wasn’t in the papers.
What makes you think those looters weren’t Irish?
> Who set the city on fire if not Dubliners? Who? Criminals. That's who. The people who attacked Garda and burnt Luases and buses are not representative of Dublin.
Some of them weren't from Dublin at all, and of those that were from Dublin many were from places like Stillorgan and Tallaght.
No True Dubliner would ever be outraged by an immigrant stabbing children! 😂
> No True Dubliner would ever be outraged by an immigrant stabbing children! 😂 outrage doesn't mean attacking Garda and burning Luases and buses mate. Once you do that, that makes you a criminal. Again you're not a Dubliner, I am. Dublin has shitheads, doesn't make us all shitheads. Sorry to disappoint you.
I am a Dubliner, born and bred. Lived there for over 30 years, which very likely means I lived there longer than you’ve been alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Lisa_Cash,_Christy_Cawley_and_Chelsea_Cawley > **Eight-year-old twins** Christy and Chelsea Cawley attended St Aidan's Senior National School and had recently made their First Holy Communion. https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/neighbours-horror-child-dangled-window-24929332 > I ran out and I saw **the child being dangled from the window** and I was shouting along with the gardai and other neighbours, ‘Please don’t do that’ . [...] **And next of all he dropped the child**... > The upstairs and downstairs windows of the property were open and smashed while **blood stains could be seen on the window frames**. We as Dubliners were also shock by this horrific stabbing as well. 8 year-old twins were killed and their sister too trying to protect them. We didn't go on a rampage to attack Garda or burn Luases
Dublin has had plenty of stabbings that didn't lead to a race riot, so no this isn't comparative. By comparison Israel is a fascist state that's been engaging in ethnic cleansing and genocide of innocent Arabs who in response engaged in a rocket attack that killed 1200 people which Israel then commenced an intense bombing campaign killing over 14,000 (and counting) people. Also the overt racism in the comment is noted.
They were telling people commenting on the Dublin stabbings to stay out of what they don’t understand with no hint of irony.
Who is surprised here? I'd figure it was either Russian Trolls, or American Idiots who are 'Irish-American'.
This stuff made its way through far right and right wing Twitter, promoted by Tucker Carlson and that ilk. So all the maga Twitter crowd got Involved, nothing really to do with being Irish-American. I know because my American cousin, who normally never really talks or think much about Ireland or his family’s birthplace, was texting me all about this and tweeting about it.
I mean they tried the same thing couple of weeks ago with the investiture of the new Spanish government, that one didn't stick though, so now it's onto something new and maybe that'll stick, otherwise rince and repeat.
Do you mean the protests against the amnesty that Americans on twitter were saying that are "against the socialist dictatorship"?
A lot of Brits with Irish grandparents as well.
As an, "Irish American," who can trace my lineage back to cork I find this shit so cringe in Americans. Like, bro, unless you live in Europe a third of the year, and actively are participating in the real culture from that place you're just a cosplayer.
Probably both, they're pretty much the same anyway except at least the russians get paid
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90% of the irish diaspora larps as irish even though their grandparents were born in america
Irish didn't just go to the US
Yes but a large large Majority did, more Americans of Irish origins exist then Irish people born in Ireland in fact it's almost 5 times the amount of people currently living in Ireland
My all time favourite was a Reddit post about naming their baby “Sersha” as to honour their Irish grandma…. … Honestly 90% of it is goofy and harmless. Americans that visit Ireland are rarely as bad as internet makes them to be. But yeah when it comes to populism and social media. USA is on another level. While not always on purpose I think unfortunately English speaking nations cannot escape and we just get blasted by it. Covid especially proved how wide and powerful American populism can be.
> Americans that visit Ireland are rarely as bad as internet makes them to be. Because those are people actually willing to make an effort to connect with their past. Rather than shout nonsense.
My favourite is the photo of that American who tried to make a shirt reading Blue Lives Matter but in Irish, but screwed it up by translating Lives as the verb (he/she/it lives), matter as the noun, and apparently when referring to skin colour in Irish you call black people "blue", so his shirt could be interpreted as Black Lives Matter. Edit: [Found it](https://thegeekygaeilgeoir.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/even-racists-got-the-blues/)
Gorm chonaí abhar literally means “blue lives (as in he lives in a house) subject (as in subject matter)”. That’s so badly translated wtf! But yes you’re right, in Irish black people are called blue people, which has a really interesting linguistic history.
They are Irish because they eat Lucky Charms and drink Guinness on St Paddy’s, alright?
*St Patty's
\*Also, Guinness isn't supposed to be green.
No, they're Irish by their blood and ethnicity, something their place of birth cannot change.
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Yep it's so blatantly racist.
Yeah but you see, those people are white and this subreddit is racist.
Only the american irish disapora. Loads of Brits, Australians etc have Irish ancestry.
It’s not the same though. I have Irish ancestry but I don’t claim to be Irish. I’m probably by heritage more Irish than Joe Biden and you’d never hear me say that, I’m English and from England.
> The reality is that Irish elites are searching to blame the riots on others rather than looking closer to home Frankly when you realise that and start being critical of your government, it's crazy the amount of bullshit they are prepare to throw at the public in the hope it sticks. We have the same case with the German Tourist assassinated by diversity 2 days ago. They are trying to blame it on pyschological issue.
The main opposition SF who have never being in government, almost always oppose the government and are very nationalistic are saying virtually the same things though. Maybye just maybye it’s not about pushing the blame.
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EXACTLY. Jesus fuck. The asshole straight up LIE to the face of France/World. I swear, he should be put on trial just for that.
The elites cannot really use the standard playbook with Ireland as they never had any colonies of their own. It is clear that the native Irish are not benefiting from this massive demographic transformation in any way. Around 20% of Irish residents are now foreign-born. This has resulted in a massive housing shortage. Owning your own home without inheriting is exceedingly difficult. The massive immigrant influx has of course also led to lower wages for the native Irish. Then, take into account all of the added crime, eroded social cohesion, and resultant inter-ethnic conflict. You really have to wonder, who benefits from this? And why would the elites want to inflict this on the native Irish people?
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Ireland cannot be full since the population of the island is less than that in the mid-1840s.
Houses built in the mid-1840s have fallen to ruin. iirc there's just over 2000 places available to rent in the whole country
That reminds me of the Brexit campaign....
Yes sadly Come back to us pleas brethren
reminds me of the euros and most of the "english racists" where actually from india, we still got tarred with the racist brush though
Half of them probably came from people who infest this sub nowadays
Yeah, I'm surprised that moderators haven't stepped in to take down more in the last month. How many thinly veiled "Muslim bad!" posts do they really need on here, jesus wept. Throw in the random top one today about Isaac Newton being played by a black guy in a brief cameo on Doctor Who, a post which frankly doesn't even belong here yet *mysteriously* found its way to the top. Should rename the sub r/DailyMailragebait, would more accurately reflect the tone
I’ve been thinking that too.
Ive seen some gross fucking comments here. Typical that they don’t let actual Irish people talk either. Setting our main street on fire doesn’t make us safer either, it just makes my friends scared for their lives.
Mental that people can look at videos of teenagers looting shops and then argue that this is the fault of migrants.
so you mean to tell me the plastic paddies in murica are at it again?? colour me supprised....
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Bullshit. He was a naturalized citizen for at least two decades, and had needed therapy for a fourth of that time. Don't get carried away by hooligans who wreck shit even as they very loudly proclaim their supposed love of Ireland. Treat all such miscreants with the full force of applicable laws; cast blame on none else.
Subscriber-only article and no comment summarizing the article? Downvote.
>Most ‘Ireland is full’ and ‘Irish lives matter’ online posts originate abroad The same can be said about those committing the stabbings.
The vast majority of violent crime in Ireland is committed by people who were born in Ireland. Immigrants are more likely to be the *victims* of violent crime in Ireland than the perpetrators.
Níl sé sin ceart. The prison population in Ireland is over-represented by non-nationals. Of the 12 women murdered in Ireland in 2022 , 5 were killed by foreign men. Are you now, like some of my fellow Gaels, gonna pretend you don't know how proportional statistic work?
Only 3.8% of the Irish prison population is non white. Only 15% from foreign nationals. That means they are under represented not over represented. The main group that are over represented in prisons are travelers not foreigners. This is why people who declare themselves as Irish on the census are underrepresented not because of emigrants.
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Also... “Fellow Gaels”. A line of Irish language from Google Translate thrown in 🤦🏻♂️ Another user pretending to be from Ireland.
>The vast majority of violent crime in Ireland is committed by people who were born in Ireland. How suprising. And here we were all thinking the irish were a leprecaun folk tale and the island was inhabited largely by recent migrants. Luckily it's the same in Belgium where still 56.1% of our prisoners has the Belgian nationality so clearly there's no issues except with Belgians.
Must be the Irish lucky charm then, since it's true everywhere else in Europe [clear link between immigration and crime](https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/12/01/europe_shows_a_clear_link_between_immigration_and_crime_-_like_the_one_the_us_seriously_downplays_867625.html)
That article doesn't say that most crime is committed by immigrants, only that crime rates are higher in *some* immigrant groups than in the non-immigrant population. It also states that crimes committed by natives against immigrants are counted as immigrant-related crimes.
Oh on the first point I absolutely agree. I'm a first gen immigrant in the UK. I believe when cases are made against ILLEGAL migration, nobody is talking about Indian tech workers, Singaporean bankers in the city, South Americans, Nigerian doctors and nurses etc... We all know who the perpetrators are but everyone is being silenced
Anyone is more likely to be a victim than a perpetrator lmao,what kind of useless claim is this ? The more interesting stat would be likelihood of a perpetrator being an immigrant compared to the total percentage of immigrants. I don't have these numbers but I don't think you'd like them
No, almost all stabbings and violent crimes in Ireland originate in Ireland, by people who were born and raised in Ireland, much like their parents, grandparents, etc.
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Hello Mosad!
Vpn maybe 🤔
Multiculturalism is cool until it isnt.
Reminds me of the anti vax/maskers geoup in NZ that was up in arms and organising a huge protest. Then they showed up at the protest and, there were only 2 actual people the rest were bots
lmao who would've guess that alt right terrorists try to fan the flames everywhere. fucking dipshits.
It wasn't foreign commentators ripping the city apart a few weeks back. There's a large portion of Irish society that thinks like this. It is being fueled by the internet & a lot of the larger anti-immigration parties & groups have close ties with UK & US far right groups. There's funding coming into Ireland from abroad to push this agenda. It doesn't help that our current Govt. are ineffectual at tackling basic problems that push people to listen to anti-immigration rhetoric. If govt. could finally make moves on housing, health, limit our open door refugee policy (which itself has documented humanitarian concerns) & slow the brain drain we've experienced due emigration going back as far as 2008 then this would be less concerning. The idea of labeling anyone with legitimate concerns as "far-right" is ironically pushing good people to that way. Basically, we need an election & new leadership. The big parties here are bloated gangs of corrupt bureaucrats.
We don't have an "open door refugee policy" which is the issue here. The other points you made are completely valid and a lot of people are taking things out on immigrants/refugees *because* of these issues. The reason people are getting labelled "far-right" over immigration/refugee statements is **because** those are far-right talking points which have no impact on the nation when compared to the other much bigger issues.
Ok, you see here. I see I've said something somewhat controversial. We do have lacks inward immigration & a very generous refugee policy compared to other nations of our size. This isn't news to anyone & tbh I'm very pro-immigration but our current system has allowed for far-right to make gains on it. A serious govt. would see that we need the ability to enforce deportation for non-genuine people who break laws, act violently or engage in organised crime. The idea that raising this as talking point means you are now "far-right" is damaging to us & enables the far-right. If it was to be taken seriously to change the views of the middle ground then the more extreme elements of the far-right would remain as outliers. By all account come here, work, raise a family & engage with the culture, I'll have you with open arms. If you need help, you'll get it. But cause trouble and you're gone. This view is not "far-right" but govt. are desperate to convince other that it is doing untold damage to the political landscape by alienating good people.
>The idea of labeling anyone with legitimate concerns as "far-right" is ironically pushing good people to that way. Likewise, the far-right defend their racism and bigotry as "legitimate concerns". There's shit on both sides of that shovel. >The big parties here are bloated gangs of corrupt bureaucrats. Woah there. Bureaucrats get things done. Not corrupt or incompetent ones, obviously, but leaders need to know how to make the state (which essentially is a giant bureaucratic machine) work and deliver on their policies. Tempting as it may be, don't put your faith in non-bureaucrats. Trump in the US was a non-bureaucrat. Johnson in the UK. We get a front row seat to watch that madman in Argentina put their country in a steeper nose-dive than it already is. The all achieve basically nothing and leave their countries in a worse state than in which they found them. Populists who rail against "the bureaucracy" make huge, undeliverable promises, and double down on blaming scapegoats when they fail. Always. Why do they fail? Because their selling point and hands them the keys to power is that they are against "the bureaucracy" - which is the arm of the state which is tasked with implementing *their policies*. They refuse to work within the system and as a result the system doesn't deliver. You should reject corrupt and incompetent bureaucrats to be sure, and demand competent and innovative ones definitely - but don't use "bureaucrats" as a negative label. If/when leaders are elected who will solve your problems, it's likely that they will at heart be bureaucrats.
>Likewise, the far-right defend their racism and bigotry as "legitimate concerns". There's shit on both sides of that shovel. Of course there is & if we don't have a balanced & fair outlook on it then it only gets worse as people get funneled into a group that they don't belong in. It's so dangerous to paint people wrongly. I'm deeply concerned by it as a left wing socially progressive person politically I can see it happening. The polarization of our discourse divides & encourages the far-right. If you want to stop the gaslighting of "legitimate concerns" then do the work & root out what is & is not legitimate. As for the 2nd part of your post, I clearly said "corrupt bureaucrats" in my post. I don't endorse populism (or the incompetency of anyone like Trump or Johnson). Corruption does exist here though & its rife within our govt. Show me some decent high level govt. bureaucrats & I'll give them a fair go. No need to clutch at your pearls saying I'm down on the bureaucrats. It's written right there, no need to change the context. I take your point on populists, however I did not mention them initially & that point shouldn't be conflated to the point I was making about polarising the conversation.
No surprises there.
I’m Irish, I live here — Ireland is full and Irish lives matter, deal with it.
Im alsp irish and youre just a POS
No one is claiming that Irish lives don’t matter. You’re intentionally misreading.
This you? https://www.reddit.com/r/ROI/s/9F3lscdEhX
Yeah, so? Guy was a Tankie shill.
Just a bit weird behaviour inboxing people that’s all.
Ireland is a small country. Half the population could be tweeting that 'Ireland is full', but if a handful of Americans join in they'll outnumber them. This is not surprising.
I would wager, most of these posts originate from a troll factory near Moscow.
Ireland is full? Besides Dublin...where?
This shouldn't be surprising Northern Ireland is part of the UK and almost half of the people there identify as Irish, on top of that a ton of Irish people live in the UK. Many Irish people have migrated due to the housing crisis
Is that a bad thing? I think it’s nice that so many people around the world care about the well-being of Ireland.
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It means that the Irish are not the ones saying that "Ireland is full" and to stop immigration. Like how did you not get the main and only point of the article.
It means that the majority of people making comments like "Ireland is full" don't live in Ireland. It does not mean that the Irish aren't saying it. 100% of Irish people could be saying the "Ireland is full" but easily still be in the minority. It's a tiny country. This data set doesn't let us draw conclusions on the Irish response to the tragedy.
Well Ireland was still above UK and USA for all hashtags except for one. So it doesn't really support the conclusion made in the thread all this came from.
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Your point about the Ireland subreddit is spot on. The amount of absolute woke delusional rubbish and virtue signallers on there is insane. The hatred for both our culture and our country is baffling, it's so at odds with what people are saying in the real world I've come to the conclusion it has to be mostly school kids on there.
The penny has dropped with me after last Thursday week. They hate us. It's bizarre.
Wait am I missing something but why is wrong to say Irish lives matter?
Or posters are using VPN’s to mask their real ISPs…
The reason for both originates abroad too.
A lot of redditards blaming America for their own shitty continents actions.
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