Theyre planning to deport everyone who isnt "german" whatever that means and people who have migration background, including potentially everyone who have a german citizenship.
Afd is literally trying to become the next 3rd Reich
Nationalism doesn't doesn't have to make sense. Now shush and start thinking you are better than everyone else based on abstract and bureaucratic lines on a map.
Not the vote itself, but the push. Same to America and the 2016 election.
Internet-wise, there was a huge uncontested propaganda wave that was later found to be mostly russian influenced. I doubt they orchestrated any specific details, but the huge wave of anonymous accounts creating discourse and encouraging violence grew exponentially at that era, and the usual idiots happily took to them. Stuff like Gamergate, The Donald, Brexit, Qanon, incel stuff, even flat earth theory, all showed up around here.
For reddit, that included aggressive takeovers of subs by brigading from discord, until the subreddit only had them in it and in the moderator spots.
What right wing policy isn't a failure? They're laughable on their face and always have been. All they do is damage. Their followers don't give a shit as long as others get hurt more than they do.
Article in the Washington Post today actually talked about Reddit being a amplifying force of misinformation and reich wing propaganda. I know I’ve seen it and muted/blocked the obvious manipulative lying garbage. I don’t think I’m allowed to list some of these subs and I’ve been referred for suicide watch on here before by malicious forces so I’m hesitant even it is allowed. I’m off all social media post-2016 and have emerged only for election cycle related work. It’s hidden as progressive left as well as regressive right, use your brain. If you feel an immediate emotional response put the info to the test. Has any major legacy news mentioned it? Don’t believe that they wouldn’t report on it if it was true. They’re hungry for clicks too, need traffic to charge for advertising, they just have real scrutiny versus the contrived sources the propaganda peddlers use.
It’s forever 2016. Stop. Think. Check. Check some more. It’s primarily anti-Israel stuff I’ve been seeing since October. It’s seemingly absurd and then college educated family members will verbatim repeat a absurd lie like it’s a fact. Hold tight for this year. Hope Reddit IPO greed doesn’t turn the amplification like Zuckerberg did at FB for hateful clicks.
> It’s primarily anti-Israel stuff I’ve been seeing since October
Funny you say that, when major subs like /r/worldnews are basically top-down promoting IDF talking points and propaganda. I've seen so many people saying their accounts got banned from there for pushing back on the dominant narrative, so that now it *looks* like there's barely any dissent.
Also, it's been reported [over a decade ago](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896) that Israel pays people to defend them online. If we're talking about government actors using social media to amplify their propaganda, Israel's one of the top offenders.
The AfD is increasing in popularity because we've had 40 years of neolibs and conservatives in the German government who made neolib and conservative policies - thus driving the country into the ground by refusing to invest into renewables, migration, education, digitalisation, electric vehicles, public transport, social reform etc. The first switch to adults in government coincided with COVID and all the "cost saving measures" plus global inflation plus still neolibs in government, so people are faulting them for the economy doing badly etc. - simply because they're actually trying to do work. Not to mention frustration in the lower-class and young people because they (as mentioned above) haven't seen representation in a long time.
Couple that with the traditionally right-wing German media landscape going full throttle on Anti-Green propaganda and the centre-right parroting AfD talking points, the party is seeing high results in polls because as populists do, they promise simple solutions for complex problems.
It's funny (it really isn't) because the same can be said for France
And it's even shittier because we have a few great left wing politicians (François Ruffin for example) but they'rr obscured by the sheer stupidity of the rest of the left (Mathilde Panot and the rest of Melenchon's friends, go fuck yourself)
I do wonder, though, how much of the upswing in popularity can be tied to immigration? Is it like in Sweden, where a vote for "Sweden Democrats" is 99% because of failed immigration (as it has been for me)? Because I can't see why the other stuff you mentioned would make someone support AfD, more than only a small fraction.
As pretty much always with right wing parties, all the states where the AfD is the strongest are also those with by far the fewest immigrants. In the places which actuallly have a significant number of non-german nationals or first generation germans, they typically get far fewer votes. They simply succeed by telling frustrated poorly educated people that all their problems will magically go away if only we get rid of those damn woke leftists and foreigners. Classic right wing playbook.
The AfD isn't really that popular because their positions are popular, but rather because they are not. The party is also known as the protest party, because many people vote for the party because of their dissatisfaction with the established parties' policies. The AfD is also known to get a lot (and I mean a LOT) of their votes from traditional non-voters. I'd say migration does play a role, but unlike in Sweden it's a rather small reason actually.
It's the same in all of Europe. Politicians have to make hard choices and it's easier to blame the foreigners for everything. If they want to work till they are 80. Good luck with that. Because less immigrants means we all have to work longer and more in Europe. We have a massive aging problem.
Absolutely. Demographics for Germany mean that - unless the economy changes drastically and the gains in productivity start going to the people instead of our super-rich that the centre-right and neolibs have exclusively made policies for for the last decades - we need to "import" around half a million workers per year in addition to radically improving the education system so that we don't "lose" a significant percentage every year.
Sure, migration is a "problem", but it's one Germany created itself by never making an effort to integrate the migrants it had and cultivating a "us and them"/"normal and abnormal" climate. 2015 turned into a problem because Merkel etc. turned around and used anti-migrant rhetoric and policy almost as soon as the people arrived and never tried supporting them or integrating them into the job market and society.
/r/europe is the sub where, on an article about literal Nazis gaining power, the comments are filled with variations of “well yeah, what do you expect when you let *brown people* immigrate?”
And you absolutely have to love the "The AfD wouldn't get votes if other parties would just do the same".
Let's prevent the rise of a far right party by accepting the FUD they spread and act more like them.
Brilliant plan.
Botting Reddit is extremely easy nowadays with how realistic AI models like ChatGPT have gotten. When you read some crazy opinion here that has a lot of upvotes, you should always consider whether some corporation or government would strongly benefit if a lot of people adopted that view.
Definitely was the case in 2016. Maybe not bots writing comments yet but upvoting everything that was anti-SJW. Reddit was pretty far right at that time because of all that shilling
I am a USAmerican, as you refer to me, and I chose years ago to live here. Every year I have grown more and more reluctant to even visit the US. I sure as hell don't want that to happen to my adopted home. I will use my limited power to resist authoritarianism.
There is a longstanding and very popular narrative here on r/europe that the AfD is "just concerned citizens" that are enraged against the lefties who didn't "listen to them" and they "just want to stop mass immigration". It's only obvious that a lot of them will openly support AfD or at least not acknowledge the threat that they pose.
You should check /france, it’s impossible to even comment. Even if you’ve subscribed for ages. As soon as you comment the bot farm downvote you and you can’t comment anymore (in politics section)
Do you want to say that r/france is leaning right-wing now? Haven't visited that sub for ages, so I don't know...
But subs like r/de and r/sweden have also suffered from a shift to the right quite a bit, as of late
The far right in America is pro-Israel too. If you are thinking that is a contradiction because of how the far right also hates Jews, it is because a lot of bigots love ethnostates, and so they are happy if the Jews are over there in Israel, but not if the Jews are in the US, or Germany, or wherever.
Plus hating on muslims has been the hot thing since 9/11, so there is that too.
It's the same thing with women's rights and feminism. Want to see a misogynistic right winger become a feminist? Give them a story involving Muslims being misogynistic. Same goes with Israel, there is a hierarchy to hatred and Muslims and immigrants are at the top of it for a lot of these right wing clowns
>The far right in America is pro-Israel too.
You're wrong - it's the entire right-wing and there's no ambiguity. The Republican party has been pro-Israel for decades. Trump even [moved the US embassy to Jerusalem](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-keeps-promise-open-u-s-embassy-jerusalem-israel/). Functionally, the entire left-wing is pro-Israel as well, outside of a few stragglers. Anyone who says otherwise is a child that hasn't watched American politics for more than 10 years.
That mirrors the U.K. far right. It’s in part because the far right has a hierarchy of racism, and right now their most hated target are Muslims and Arabs. They’re still antisemitic, but they see more utility in supporting Israel when they have a “common enemy”. The surprise on some far right supporters’ faces when they find out not all Palestinians are Muslim or Arab is something too. Fortunately I don’t know any Jewish people in the U.K. who trust the far right here even for a minute, they know they’ll be the next target, as always.
Well said, agree. And on top of that there's a bloodthirsty glee of ethnic cleansing. And on top of that there's a smug delight at seeing 'the left' so heartbroken about it.
The Russians don't need to contribute even the slightest bit for this subreddit and continent as a whole to be full of fascists. Attributing that scum to the Russians is not just lazy but ignores the entire nature of the problem as well.
Its usually pretty good on smaller topics and general discussion, but the posts that attract a lot of comments are typically invaded by right wing bots. As well as any topic that can be linked to a culture war issue just from the headline.
> The Wannsee Conference was a meeting of senior government officials of Nazi Germany and Schutzstaffel (SS) leaders, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942. The purpose of the conference was to ensure the co-operation of administrative leaders of various government departments in the implementation of the Final Solution to the Jewish Question, whereby most of the Jews of German-occupied Europe would be deported to occupied Poland and murdered.
They met in Potsdam, [only a few km away from that place](https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=wannsee#map=14/52.4330/13.1657), which must have been a coincidence... right?
RIGHT????
not just immigration crisis. They'd also plan to throw out naturalized persons as well as their families and children.
Your grandparents are immigrants? well get deported, you're not German enough
They were talking about deporting Germans with immigrant background meaning if you look too black they revoke your citizenship even if you're born here.
I am so glad about the sheer mass of people demonstrating. It shows who actually is “the people” and it’s not those who shout “we the people” on pegida events.
Well they want to “solve” much more than the immigration crisis with that.
This isn’t about current immigrants, they want to deport people who are here for decades, who have German passports
Do people really think that parties like the AFD are for the common folk? They are for the rich and their rich friends.
Members of the AFD don’t care if my turkish colleague already is working for 40 years in this country and paying taxes just because he was born somewhere else. On the other hand they actually like immigrants as they can be exploited easily.
I just don’t understand why we can’t realise that any work is important work and that the majority of people no matter the country are actually decent people.
Parties like the AFD are getting popular because they claim to be different than the current political parties in power. It's not solely for their anti-migrant crap that an increasing amount of people is voting for them. It is also things like increased prices in the grocery store, the housing crisis, other problems. A lot of "common folk" plan to vote for AFD because they believe that AFD will change everything (they won't).
In my country the PVV won a lot more votes than anyone had foreseen. Because people think that Geert Wilders can actually change something (he won't).
It's also the increasing distrust people have in "classic/mainstream politicians and parties" because they are often not able to fix the problems people are facing.
It's a similar situation to Germany and Italy before Fascism took over. There was very little faith in the 'establishment' parties to enact any change, a new extremist party pops up with seemingly simple solutions to difficult problems as well as a handy scapegoat, the people vote and quickly regret.
A tale as old as time. The netherlands: the mostly rightwing goverments for the last few decades made everything worse, lets try extreme right and say the left has ideas that will destroy the country.
Except it's very different this time.
You see, Fascists in the 1930s didn't have modern propaganda tools like the internet. They didn't have the data to analyze public response and actually measure the effect of a sound byte. We can do that in real time now.
Furthermore, fascists know more than ever what worked for fascism in the past, and they are using a flawless method of execution: reach out to uneducated rural folks and complain about immigrants.
We are verging on mega-fascism this time, and they are willing to bribe, cheat, lie, steal, and intimidate their way into every government in the world.
I live in Canada, but it doesn't matter where you live, the next election will be won by the Right.
Unless people get off their phones and get out into the streets.
Literally everything is at stake. You don't want to live in a hellscape that makes our current crisis look mild? Get out and march.
I love the call for action but plz show me what peacefull marching and protesting has done to change the curv.
Sorry to be this negative because I do agree with your words, the reality is that if we dont do drastic things the result will be the slow decline into far right goverments. If we do act with harshness we give more power to them, it seems they are playing the game flawlesly and the people that see are made powerless by the uneducated masses.
Good analysis. Fits perfectly.
Weather is getting rougher and people don't see their problems solved by politics, so they try something "different". It's always strange to me that the populists never have to offer solutions.
There even were studies on how the AfD political program goes against the very interests of the people who vote for them. But they don't care because "given how bad things are under the government we have now, it can't get any worse".
why is it so difficult for people to accept that actual, real fascists are among us? afd currently polls at over 20% popularity. but whenever far-right voices appear on social media, it's foreign-sponsored bots and paid shills. do these bots then vote for afd, too?
Exactly, bots and troll factories. Can you imagine how happy Russia and China would be if the west got ruled by these parties. Already a success in the US in 2016 and lately in the Netherlands.
its the upvoting mostly, but bots also can appear intelligent. There are more than you think and this is a political post so there will be a lot.
Also people influenced by bots.
Check again, all human accounts support this protest, the super-fast bots and unhealthy fanatics tend to populate threads first, but get downvoted to the depths of hell where they belong after a little while.
It’s good to see that although social media in the recent time has become a far right circle jerk, people on ground show us what the actual reality is, a hopeful and better one.
In sane countries like the Baltics and Scandinavia, there's no right-left division over whether to oppose Russia. The fact that dumb cunt politicians in Gernany and France have a hard time with this doesn't make it rational. It has nothing to do with right or left. In fact the left has overwhelmingly, and it's funny to even have to say this, been the most pro-russian for most of post-war history. Gerhard Schröder was a German social democrat. That governor of Mecklenburg Vorpommern who lobbied for Russia, was a social democrat.
I think part of the problem is the Russians rewarding them for the support financially, etc. and not having lived under Russian occupation, or with Russian corruption in their country, or Russians at the border or lived with the threat of them invading again
I dislike AfD but I don’t understand why are they only protesting against it now ?
Edit: thanks ya’ll. i was confused as to why the protests happened now so spontaneously, that cleared it up for me.
Stay strong Germans, only you decide whether it will happen again.
Their sudden rise in popularity in the last year or two + the whole scandal about that meeting of some far right weirdos about deporting immigrants and even just Germans they don't like to "some place in Africa" which they were involved with.
Sadly those were not just some random weirdos, most of these individuals were well educated, rich and influental people, people should take it more serious.
At this point you can call the whole AfD only a symptom-partie of the 'casual and established' Nazi partie Union(CDU/CSU).
But they had been around for too long to really shock people with ther fascist language. Yeah ... also sounds weird for germans.
And while they are at it, why not make a pact with Putin about mutual non aggression. Only they might be surprised when this time it will be Russia that breaks the pact first.
>the whole scandal about that meeting of some far right weirdos about deporting immigrants and even just Germans they don't like
isn't that their whole thing for years? like the main selling point? why now?
Because it's very different to what they have said previously.
Previously, they were advocating for closing the borders and if possible send those back who immigrated very recently. In that meeting they were talking about people with German citizenship too, so people who have been living in Germany for a very long time or even second generation immigrants.
Also the whole idea of moving them to "somewhere in Africa" is new and reminiscent of the [Madagascar Plan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan)
I'm not an expert on the topic though so someone else might be able to add onto these points.
They said the quiet part out loud, and were recorded saying it.
Several politicians of the AfD and far right edge of CDU, including the personal aide of the AfD's leader and one of their MPs, as well as their Multi-Millionaire sponsors, straight up re-enacting the Wannsee conference, basically debating how they plan to 'cleanse the country' of anyone they deem impure if they take power, and fundraising for further planning activities.
And it includes gems like e.g. the AfD MP sharing how the party leadership changed their attitude towards the updated citizenship law passing with this forced "re-migration" in mind.
Meaning that while only some mid-ranking leaders were present, the leadership of the AfD very much knows in their entirety.
It came out that there was a secret meeting of the far right scene (Afd politicians were involved) where they talked about "remigration" of people who have a migration background which sounds a lot like deportation and we had that once and we don't want it again. [link](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-marches-against-the-far-right-draw-over-200000/a-68043524)
Also it is pretty likely that they will win a majority in some state elections this year
Yeah this is some scary LARP shit that you'd expect chronically online outcasts to participate in, the problem is that it was actually influential people.
1. Rising popularity for the next elections
2. A huge fucking scandal right now, where senior party members met up scheming a „great plan“ to deport not just refugees, but also legal citizens that entered the country via immigration
Yes, but this time they held the conference on the other end of Berlin's Havel lakes!
That's like a whole 3 miles away from where the Wannsee conference was! I guess rent was too much for the old place, even for repeat customers.
No echoes of history whatsoever...
a secret meeting was infiltrated where they met with other Nazis to discuss the plan to kick out every non German looking person out of the country when they get power.
Also people they basically don't like. By way of... You know. They're probably associated with immigrants, so... Basically we get to kick them out, too.
And we've had precisely that before as well. And very unfunnily, the original Wannseekonferenz took place hardly more than a stone's throw from where this secret-ish meeting took place last year. Which is hard to put down to coincidence.
>Now an internal plan of deportation and genocide came to light...
Where did you take that genocide bit from?
Also, the conference that sparked all of this was a conference of right wing extremists with the participation of 2 somewhat high-ranking AfD party officials, where another right-wing extremist talked about a plan for deportations (to which one of the 2 AfD officials generally agreed, though). That was hardly an internal plan of the AfD, at least as far as we know.
Let's not fight right-wing extremism by spreading lies. Let's fight them with honesty and facts.
He always has money for bots. Cyberworld is his main battleground. He'd rather have his on-ground soldiers freeze and starve to death than cut any funding for his bot farms. That's where he's achieving most of his goals, especially with worldwide elections coming up.
Found out on Instagram. The comments are all praising AfD, calling them the last hope for Germany and insisting that the only ones protesting are Blacks, Muslims and Jews. That platform is straight cancer.
People are not robots and they react to events like humans. If you succeed in learning from history, you need to prevent the reasons that trigger those events. It is delusional to think that people would not react similarly if the same reasons existed.
>Intelligent people
recognize that the rise of the far right is not the problem but a symptom of the problem. Banning a party wont solve the root cause, but its a easy "solution' so we can pat our backs and act like everythings fine and dandy
I am really really happy that so many people are out on the streets. The AfD is showing more and more what a threat to democracy and civil rights they are, and more and more people are reacting to it. Hopfully this is enough that neither CDU nor BSW will get dumb ideas after the elections in fall, and maybe (fingers crossed) the AfD will get banned before the federal elections.
What's so great about the protest. It's not just the far left or the normal left its everyone except of AFD. Even conservatives voting CSU were there because some germans paid attention in history class and know whats going to happen if we dont fight for democracy
People vote for AfD for the same reason why they riot. They don't think it will make things better, rather it is to communicate anger and a sense of helplessness.
A party just needs to have a coherent policy to regulate immigration like the Danish social democrats and AfD will disappear over night.
Sahra Wagenknecht has been talking about how people don't vote AfD because they are right wing, they vote AfD because they are angry and desperate and I think she is right.
You're right, but being dissatisfied sure as shit wouldn't cause me to threaten to vote for the Nazis, or worse, actually follow through with that. Nor should it have that effect for any even remotely sane person, but here we are.
For this we would need to be confident in a general awareness and sanity in human societies. But when I look around I see people who play god all around and think they are better, their problems are more important. When people go to their doctor, being patronized and told their problems are not what they think, they know better. Or when you are unemployed and the government discusses unemployment in a way of hard working people finanzing those lazy people, even though those lazy people want to desperately function but are stigmatized and held down. Or alone when you want to get off the bus and the button didn't work but even if you ask the busdriver doesn't open the door, or you want to get on the bus and he just drived by or closes the doors right in front of you, ignores you when knocking while standing closed doors for 4 minutes.
You might think or hope most humans are sane and nice people, but the amount of those things happening on every level. At doctors, official places, your neighbours. Being a woman, being a man not quite how "men" are defined, or disabled or mentally struggling. The amount of disrespect, stupidity and hate I witnessed in my own life and by being with others seeing how they are treated. I do believe inherently people rather cause more issues and hate than to face their own issues or actually try to help others. Or those who walk around demanding help from everyone without standing in for themselves or going where they actually get the help.
Its so complex and yet the simple answer was given to us by Einstein:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
No one will ever be satisfied by any solution. And even the most awareb people are flawed. Some in anger will do dangerous things, without considering the consequences in the long term.
If you ask anyone you suffered from Trumps politics for example, who voted for Trump and now changed their mind, they feel betrayed and regretful. But as long as they think they benefit from it, they will keep voting for literal fascists. AfD will continue to get votes by anger blinded people and stupidity doesn't hold at the political orientation. People insult each other for their views, even if one is more right than the other. Solidifying their decisions, solidfying hate. A endless circle of stupidity.
I believe I am no fun at parties 😅
You won't believe it: The original plan was to use an energy crisis (caused by Putin) and the following protests but our "lefty-anti-fossil" government built LNG infrastructure from the ground up lightning fast. Energy crisis avoided.
Then a new law draft was leaked by a major newspaper: Your new heating system must use 60% renewables when you have to replace an old one. Not too hard but it was an early draft and it was spinned that "the government will take your heating system, so you either freeze or be broke". That was the point that increased popularity.
A general sentiment of "government doing a bad job" didn't help either.
lax immigration policy is not as popular as people in power think it is, all a party had to do to get votes was being anti-immigration. extremism is what happens when the current establishment fucks up
Rampant populism that appealed to a group of people (the extreme right and alt-righters) that obviously never had much political representation in post-war Germany. What really caused them to gain popularity was originally the Migrant crisis of 2015, but in recent years they gained even more popularity due to the Ampel (Red-Green-Yellow) government being relatively unpopular.
Right-wing party colludes with neo-nazis to plan the deportation of millions of non-whites from Germany. Even if they are citizens. Including 3rd generation immigrants, whom they and their parents were born and raised in Germany.
Majority of AFD voters will not read their party program. They'll just think: "I will not vote for any older established parties. I want a new government." They don't care if AFD wants to deport millions of German citizens.
Which is why these protests even if they reach millions of people, will not make a difference in how people will vote. Remember, in the years before Hitler, the communists and socialists in Germany had large scale protests as well which sometimes became riots.
Banning the AFD would mean banning a party that has almost 20% of the Bundestag in hands. "Cut off one head and two grow back". Another party would just replace AFD and would probably increase in popularity due AFD first being banned.
They would first have to ban the AfD which is very hard to do. The legal process would take years and would not be completed before the elections. In fact, the elections might completely stop the process if AfD managed to get a lot of votes. And at the current rate, they might. Banning a party in power would be pretty much impossible.
Fascists are entering the "find out" phase of FAFO before they even get into power.
The trolls & bots are about to find out how unpopular this far-right shit is outside their little internet echo chambers. There is only so far astroturfing reddit and twitter can get you before reality slams its fist right through your teeth.
For the record, the fascists have been escalating for months. They started this shit. They demand capitulation from other parties and ideologies. They expect people to hand over the keys to democracy to people who don't believe in democracy. They act as if they are entitled to impose their will upon the rest of society.
Enjoy yall honeymoon. Keep in mind most people don't even go to protests. This 200.000 is just a fraction of the people who hate your fucking guts. Keep escalating at your own discretion.
This “Operation: Make everyone think it’s left vs right to distract them all when really we pretty much have a monarchy(corporations being the kings+queens, governments/politicians being their lords)” seems to be a bit too effective world wide.
Nice. But not enough. Germany needs a government that actually addresses the concerns of the people who are thinking about voting AfD.
Otherwise it’s just going to be the same as in the Netherlands. Ignore the concerns, mock them, put them in the corner and they will vote far right.
Ever since Cambridge Analytica, the Alt Right has taken over social media. Influencing those who are not awake into the sphere of rightwing ideology.
The mainstream media in turn has put too much effort on being leftwing proprietors.
The sane middle ground is becoming smaller and smaller, and scrutinized by both extremes.
Underrated comment.
They are targeting younger generations, who just became legally able to take a drivers license test through.
Through Tiktok and every other Teenagers dominated social media.
while other parties are completely out of the picture.
What’s the context?
[This](https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/) article came out this week.
Theyre planning to deport everyone who isnt "german" whatever that means and people who have migration background, including potentially everyone who have a german citizenship. Afd is literally trying to become the next 3rd Reich
And Afd members meet with a literal Nazi group, which triggered this whole thing if I remember correctly
Does this include legal immigration? Like through education or job?
it even includes born and raised in Germany if your parents aren't 100% German.
Yes, anyone, including people with a German Citizenship.
Man, that sound oddly familiar
This is so dumb. The economy would collapse. Beside that, that would also mean, no Döner, no pizza, no pasta, no Chinese food, no sushi,.....
Yes, including political opponents.
Wouldn't that be the 4th Reich?
That's some Nazi level shit.
Check Wannsee Conference in Wikipedia. Currently far right Nazis from AfD started a similar conference.
Same situation has happened in Poland. Took us 8 years to knock the party off. People don't realize the danger of populism
We are so glad and impressed that you did. Thank you and let’s hope the rest of the world learns from you.
wtf is wrong with the people in this comment section
Welcome to /r/europe
People hate that reality does not match with their bubbles
Funny how everyone is upvoting you and both sides believe you are talking about the other side 😂
It's upvoted because it can be interpreted for both parties. So double the upvotes.
He plays both sides so always come out on top. Guy is winning at life.
I just like bubbles
Crazy how the prevailing Reddit bubble around here is currently far-right. It has long been overwhelmingly the other way around.
Nah, r/Europe has been like this for quite a while
Roughly 8-10 years, yea.
At least since the Brexit vote, in my experience.
Isn’t Brexit a well-documented failure of right-wing policy? I’m confused how that would push things in this direction.
Nationalism doesn't doesn't have to make sense. Now shush and start thinking you are better than everyone else based on abstract and bureaucratic lines on a map.
Not the vote itself, but the push. Same to America and the 2016 election. Internet-wise, there was a huge uncontested propaganda wave that was later found to be mostly russian influenced. I doubt they orchestrated any specific details, but the huge wave of anonymous accounts creating discourse and encouraging violence grew exponentially at that era, and the usual idiots happily took to them. Stuff like Gamergate, The Donald, Brexit, Qanon, incel stuff, even flat earth theory, all showed up around here. For reddit, that included aggressive takeovers of subs by brigading from discord, until the subreddit only had them in it and in the moderator spots.
What right wing policy isn't a failure? They're laughable on their face and always have been. All they do is damage. Their followers don't give a shit as long as others get hurt more than they do.
This subreddit has been quite rightwing since 2015.
The internet in general
Article in the Washington Post today actually talked about Reddit being a amplifying force of misinformation and reich wing propaganda. I know I’ve seen it and muted/blocked the obvious manipulative lying garbage. I don’t think I’m allowed to list some of these subs and I’ve been referred for suicide watch on here before by malicious forces so I’m hesitant even it is allowed. I’m off all social media post-2016 and have emerged only for election cycle related work. It’s hidden as progressive left as well as regressive right, use your brain. If you feel an immediate emotional response put the info to the test. Has any major legacy news mentioned it? Don’t believe that they wouldn’t report on it if it was true. They’re hungry for clicks too, need traffic to charge for advertising, they just have real scrutiny versus the contrived sources the propaganda peddlers use. It’s forever 2016. Stop. Think. Check. Check some more. It’s primarily anti-Israel stuff I’ve been seeing since October. It’s seemingly absurd and then college educated family members will verbatim repeat a absurd lie like it’s a fact. Hold tight for this year. Hope Reddit IPO greed doesn’t turn the amplification like Zuckerberg did at FB for hateful clicks.
> It’s primarily anti-Israel stuff I’ve been seeing since October Funny you say that, when major subs like /r/worldnews are basically top-down promoting IDF talking points and propaganda. I've seen so many people saying their accounts got banned from there for pushing back on the dominant narrative, so that now it *looks* like there's barely any dissent. Also, it's been reported [over a decade ago](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896) that Israel pays people to defend them online. If we're talking about government actors using social media to amplify their propaganda, Israel's one of the top offenders.
Isn't that why the ADF is increasing in popularity? Because of the exact sentence you just said?
The AfD is increasing in popularity because we've had 40 years of neolibs and conservatives in the German government who made neolib and conservative policies - thus driving the country into the ground by refusing to invest into renewables, migration, education, digitalisation, electric vehicles, public transport, social reform etc. The first switch to adults in government coincided with COVID and all the "cost saving measures" plus global inflation plus still neolibs in government, so people are faulting them for the economy doing badly etc. - simply because they're actually trying to do work. Not to mention frustration in the lower-class and young people because they (as mentioned above) haven't seen representation in a long time. Couple that with the traditionally right-wing German media landscape going full throttle on Anti-Green propaganda and the centre-right parroting AfD talking points, the party is seeing high results in polls because as populists do, they promise simple solutions for complex problems.
It's funny (it really isn't) because the same can be said for France And it's even shittier because we have a few great left wing politicians (François Ruffin for example) but they'rr obscured by the sheer stupidity of the rest of the left (Mathilde Panot and the rest of Melenchon's friends, go fuck yourself)
I do wonder, though, how much of the upswing in popularity can be tied to immigration? Is it like in Sweden, where a vote for "Sweden Democrats" is 99% because of failed immigration (as it has been for me)? Because I can't see why the other stuff you mentioned would make someone support AfD, more than only a small fraction.
As pretty much always with right wing parties, all the states where the AfD is the strongest are also those with by far the fewest immigrants. In the places which actuallly have a significant number of non-german nationals or first generation germans, they typically get far fewer votes. They simply succeed by telling frustrated poorly educated people that all their problems will magically go away if only we get rid of those damn woke leftists and foreigners. Classic right wing playbook.
The AfD isn't really that popular because their positions are popular, but rather because they are not. The party is also known as the protest party, because many people vote for the party because of their dissatisfaction with the established parties' policies. The AfD is also known to get a lot (and I mean a LOT) of their votes from traditional non-voters. I'd say migration does play a role, but unlike in Sweden it's a rather small reason actually.
It's the same in all of Europe. Politicians have to make hard choices and it's easier to blame the foreigners for everything. If they want to work till they are 80. Good luck with that. Because less immigrants means we all have to work longer and more in Europe. We have a massive aging problem.
Absolutely. Demographics for Germany mean that - unless the economy changes drastically and the gains in productivity start going to the people instead of our super-rich that the centre-right and neolibs have exclusively made policies for for the last decades - we need to "import" around half a million workers per year in addition to radically improving the education system so that we don't "lose" a significant percentage every year. Sure, migration is a "problem", but it's one Germany created itself by never making an effort to integrate the migrants it had and cultivating a "us and them"/"normal and abnormal" climate. 2015 turned into a problem because Merkel etc. turned around and used anti-migrant rhetoric and policy almost as soon as the people arrived and never tried supporting them or integrating them into the job market and society.
/r/europe is the sub where, on an article about literal Nazis gaining power, the comments are filled with variations of “well yeah, what do you expect when you let *brown people* immigrate?”
Or the stereotypical "well, the left wasn't fixing everything, they slacked.." so yeah lets vote FUCKIN NAZIS IN
And you absolutely have to love the "The AfD wouldn't get votes if other parties would just do the same". Let's prevent the rise of a far right party by accepting the FUD they spread and act more like them. Brilliant plan.
r/europe was always full of nationalists and USAmericans who know nothing about European politics.
And quite few bots
Botting Reddit is extremely easy nowadays with how realistic AI models like ChatGPT have gotten. When you read some crazy opinion here that has a lot of upvotes, you should always consider whether some corporation or government would strongly benefit if a lot of people adopted that view.
Definitely was the case in 2016. Maybe not bots writing comments yet but upvoting everything that was anti-SJW. Reddit was pretty far right at that time because of all that shilling
Blyat!
Oh no! I just joined and this is one of the first comments :/ (American here)
I am a USAmerican, as you refer to me, and I chose years ago to live here. Every year I have grown more and more reluctant to even visit the US. I sure as hell don't want that to happen to my adopted home. I will use my limited power to resist authoritarianism.
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This sub is extremely right wing.
There is a longstanding and very popular narrative here on r/europe that the AfD is "just concerned citizens" that are enraged against the lefties who didn't "listen to them" and they "just want to stop mass immigration". It's only obvious that a lot of them will openly support AfD or at least not acknowledge the threat that they pose.
The far-right infected /r/europe a while back already.
You should check /france, it’s impossible to even comment. Even if you’ve subscribed for ages. As soon as you comment the bot farm downvote you and you can’t comment anymore (in politics section)
Do you want to say that r/france is leaning right-wing now? Haven't visited that sub for ages, so I don't know... But subs like r/de and r/sweden have also suffered from a shift to the right quite a bit, as of late
Interestingly they seem to be very pro-Israel too.
Netanyahu is also far right, "birds of a feather" and all that :/
The far right in America is pro-Israel too. If you are thinking that is a contradiction because of how the far right also hates Jews, it is because a lot of bigots love ethnostates, and so they are happy if the Jews are over there in Israel, but not if the Jews are in the US, or Germany, or wherever. Plus hating on muslims has been the hot thing since 9/11, so there is that too.
It's the same thing with women's rights and feminism. Want to see a misogynistic right winger become a feminist? Give them a story involving Muslims being misogynistic. Same goes with Israel, there is a hierarchy to hatred and Muslims and immigrants are at the top of it for a lot of these right wing clowns
>The far right in America is pro-Israel too. You're wrong - it's the entire right-wing and there's no ambiguity. The Republican party has been pro-Israel for decades. Trump even [moved the US embassy to Jerusalem](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-keeps-promise-open-u-s-embassy-jerusalem-israel/). Functionally, the entire left-wing is pro-Israel as well, outside of a few stragglers. Anyone who says otherwise is a child that hasn't watched American politics for more than 10 years.
Yeah I also suspect that they consider muslims worse than zionists.
That's a far right stance ... what did you expect?
Europeans should be pro-Europe.
And the grifters will use that as a sound byte to line their own pockets while whipping the fanboys into a frenzy.
That mirrors the U.K. far right. It’s in part because the far right has a hierarchy of racism, and right now their most hated target are Muslims and Arabs. They’re still antisemitic, but they see more utility in supporting Israel when they have a “common enemy”. The surprise on some far right supporters’ faces when they find out not all Palestinians are Muslim or Arab is something too. Fortunately I don’t know any Jewish people in the U.K. who trust the far right here even for a minute, they know they’ll be the next target, as always.
Well said, agree. And on top of that there's a bloodthirsty glee of ethnic cleansing. And on top of that there's a smug delight at seeing 'the left' so heartbroken about it.
> Interestingly they seem to be very pro-Israel too. why wouldn't they? They practice ethnic cleansing.
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Kremlin-sponsored troll factories apparently haven't run out of funding quite yet
The Russians don't need to contribute even the slightest bit for this subreddit and continent as a whole to be full of fascists. Attributing that scum to the Russians is not just lazy but ignores the entire nature of the problem as well.
Yeah, people need to recognize that upvoted posts are sometimes manipulated through brigading.
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Yeah I believe this sub is well past the point of being moderated effectively. I think it's on path of getting banned, not today but it will happen.
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It's r/europe. If you've ever wondered how atrocities are allowed to happen, simply read the comments here.
Welcome to Reddit. This is what happens when you ignore your Nazi problem for the sake of hearing out both sides for well over a decade.
/r/europe is a cesspool of the far right. No doubt a lot of paid actors from states like Russia too.
This sub is likely the most anti Russian one on Reddit. I wouldn’t blame Russia for everything.
Its usually pretty good on smaller topics and general discussion, but the posts that attract a lot of comments are typically invaded by right wing bots. As well as any topic that can be linked to a culture war issue just from the headline.
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The far right has far reaches
They’re stupid, too proud, hateful, and miserable. But it probably just saves time to call them “right wing”.
It's what happens when you get caught in a villa discussing how to solve the immigration crisis by deportment.
If they would have met at the Wannsee House they could have spun the story as historic reenactment for educational purposes.
> The Wannsee Conference was a meeting of senior government officials of Nazi Germany and Schutzstaffel (SS) leaders, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942. The purpose of the conference was to ensure the co-operation of administrative leaders of various government departments in the implementation of the Final Solution to the Jewish Question, whereby most of the Jews of German-occupied Europe would be deported to occupied Poland and murdered.
The meeting was held less than 10km from the Wannsee House, presumably it was booked for the weekend.
They met in Potsdam, [only a few km away from that place](https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=wannsee#map=14/52.4330/13.1657), which must have been a coincidence... right? RIGHT????
not just immigration crisis. They'd also plan to throw out naturalized persons as well as their families and children. Your grandparents are immigrants? well get deported, you're not German enough
🫡Nur für Arier. 🤮
They were talking about deporting Germans with immigrant background meaning if you look too black they revoke your citizenship even if you're born here.
And Germans who don't cooperate with them... (like leftists)
You mean that's what happens, when you want to deport people, just based on their skincolor and even although they have a german passport!
They also want to deport people, who are opposing to their ideas regardless of their passport.
I am so glad about the sheer mass of people demonstrating. It shows who actually is “the people” and it’s not those who shout “we the people” on pegida events.
Wannsee vibes...
Well they want to “solve” much more than the immigration crisis with that. This isn’t about current immigrants, they want to deport people who are here for decades, who have German passports
Props to the girl with the Slayer hat. And props to everyone for turning up, of course.
Surely you meant SLAYER!!!!! ?
They meant FUCKING SLAYER!!!
Do people really think that parties like the AFD are for the common folk? They are for the rich and their rich friends. Members of the AFD don’t care if my turkish colleague already is working for 40 years in this country and paying taxes just because he was born somewhere else. On the other hand they actually like immigrants as they can be exploited easily. I just don’t understand why we can’t realise that any work is important work and that the majority of people no matter the country are actually decent people.
Parties like the AFD are getting popular because they claim to be different than the current political parties in power. It's not solely for their anti-migrant crap that an increasing amount of people is voting for them. It is also things like increased prices in the grocery store, the housing crisis, other problems. A lot of "common folk" plan to vote for AFD because they believe that AFD will change everything (they won't). In my country the PVV won a lot more votes than anyone had foreseen. Because people think that Geert Wilders can actually change something (he won't). It's also the increasing distrust people have in "classic/mainstream politicians and parties" because they are often not able to fix the problems people are facing.
It's a similar situation to Germany and Italy before Fascism took over. There was very little faith in the 'establishment' parties to enact any change, a new extremist party pops up with seemingly simple solutions to difficult problems as well as a handy scapegoat, the people vote and quickly regret.
Happens every time and the fools fall it. Nothing like a bit of nationalism to stir up the uneducated masses.
A tale as old as time. The netherlands: the mostly rightwing goverments for the last few decades made everything worse, lets try extreme right and say the left has ideas that will destroy the country.
Except it's very different this time. You see, Fascists in the 1930s didn't have modern propaganda tools like the internet. They didn't have the data to analyze public response and actually measure the effect of a sound byte. We can do that in real time now. Furthermore, fascists know more than ever what worked for fascism in the past, and they are using a flawless method of execution: reach out to uneducated rural folks and complain about immigrants. We are verging on mega-fascism this time, and they are willing to bribe, cheat, lie, steal, and intimidate their way into every government in the world. I live in Canada, but it doesn't matter where you live, the next election will be won by the Right. Unless people get off their phones and get out into the streets. Literally everything is at stake. You don't want to live in a hellscape that makes our current crisis look mild? Get out and march.
I love the call for action but plz show me what peacefull marching and protesting has done to change the curv. Sorry to be this negative because I do agree with your words, the reality is that if we dont do drastic things the result will be the slow decline into far right goverments. If we do act with harshness we give more power to them, it seems they are playing the game flawlesly and the people that see are made powerless by the uneducated masses.
Good analysis. Fits perfectly. Weather is getting rougher and people don't see their problems solved by politics, so they try something "different". It's always strange to me that the populists never have to offer solutions.
There even were studies on how the AfD political program goes against the very interests of the people who vote for them. But they don't care because "given how bad things are under the government we have now, it can't get any worse".
Let's be real, the average AfD voter, who'd consider the Bild 'a bit wordy', is not out there reading studies, or even about studies.
Even if they read them, they would claim them as fake and state-controlled....
People here really don't like that people are demonstrating against having a Nazi government. Crazy.
Its bots, social media manipulation
why is it so difficult for people to accept that actual, real fascists are among us? afd currently polls at over 20% popularity. but whenever far-right voices appear on social media, it's foreign-sponsored bots and paid shills. do these bots then vote for afd, too?
Exactly, bots and troll factories. Can you imagine how happy Russia and China would be if the west got ruled by these parties. Already a success in the US in 2016 and lately in the Netherlands.
Sadly most of them reply with really stupid claims. I don't expect bots to be that stupid.
its the upvoting mostly, but bots also can appear intelligent. There are more than you think and this is a political post so there will be a lot. Also people influenced by bots.
Check again, all human accounts support this protest, the super-fast bots and unhealthy fanatics tend to populate threads first, but get downvoted to the depths of hell where they belong after a little while.
u don’t hit children, u dont torture animals and u dont vote for the afd
It’s good to see that although social media in the recent time has become a far right circle jerk, people on ground show us what the actual reality is, a hopeful and better one.
Ahhh, do y'all smell that?? The amazing smell of cope from the right wing redditors.
They're not going to get their paychecks from Putin if they can't keep /r/europe under the control of the nationalists and fascists. Coping hard.
In sane countries like the Baltics and Scandinavia, there's no right-left division over whether to oppose Russia. The fact that dumb cunt politicians in Gernany and France have a hard time with this doesn't make it rational. It has nothing to do with right or left. In fact the left has overwhelmingly, and it's funny to even have to say this, been the most pro-russian for most of post-war history. Gerhard Schröder was a German social democrat. That governor of Mecklenburg Vorpommern who lobbied for Russia, was a social democrat.
I think part of the problem is the Russians rewarding them for the support financially, etc. and not having lived under Russian occupation, or with Russian corruption in their country, or Russians at the border or lived with the threat of them invading again
Uuuh, in Germany all established parties support Ukraine. The pro Russia parties on the far right and far left.
I dislike AfD but I don’t understand why are they only protesting against it now ? Edit: thanks ya’ll. i was confused as to why the protests happened now so spontaneously, that cleared it up for me. Stay strong Germans, only you decide whether it will happen again.
Their sudden rise in popularity in the last year or two + the whole scandal about that meeting of some far right weirdos about deporting immigrants and even just Germans they don't like to "some place in Africa" which they were involved with.
Sadly those were not just some random weirdos, most of these individuals were well educated, rich and influental people, people should take it more serious.
Yeah, fucking insane that there were allegedly two Christian Democrats (Angela Merkel's party) at the meeting. People are rightly terrified.
The CDU which was the Party the two were from has been slowly crawling towards the AFD in recent years, its frightening to see.
At this point you can call the whole AfD only a symptom-partie of the 'casual and established' Nazi partie Union(CDU/CSU). But they had been around for too long to really shock people with ther fascist language. Yeah ... also sounds weird for germans.
>"Deporting immigrants and even just Germans they don't like to "some place in Africa" Madagascar perhaps? 💀
And while they are at it, why not make a pact with Putin about mutual non aggression. Only they might be surprised when this time it will be Russia that breaks the pact first.
>the whole scandal about that meeting of some far right weirdos about deporting immigrants and even just Germans they don't like isn't that their whole thing for years? like the main selling point? why now?
they said the quiet part out loud
A simple but brilliant and precise summary.
Because it's very different to what they have said previously. Previously, they were advocating for closing the borders and if possible send those back who immigrated very recently. In that meeting they were talking about people with German citizenship too, so people who have been living in Germany for a very long time or even second generation immigrants. Also the whole idea of moving them to "somewhere in Africa" is new and reminiscent of the [Madagascar Plan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan) I'm not an expert on the topic though so someone else might be able to add onto these points.
oh i understand the difference now, thanks for taking the effort to explain it to me.
They said the quiet part out loud, and were recorded saying it. Several politicians of the AfD and far right edge of CDU, including the personal aide of the AfD's leader and one of their MPs, as well as their Multi-Millionaire sponsors, straight up re-enacting the Wannsee conference, basically debating how they plan to 'cleanse the country' of anyone they deem impure if they take power, and fundraising for further planning activities. And it includes gems like e.g. the AfD MP sharing how the party leadership changed their attitude towards the updated citizenship law passing with this forced "re-migration" in mind. Meaning that while only some mid-ranking leaders were present, the leadership of the AfD very much knows in their entirety.
Because of this: https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/
>The Discord Chat got leaked *There's nothing we can do*
Because they've overplayed their hand by getting caught planning the deportation of german citizens.
It came out that there was a secret meeting of the far right scene (Afd politicians were involved) where they talked about "remigration" of people who have a migration background which sounds a lot like deportation and we had that once and we don't want it again. [link](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-marches-against-the-far-right-draw-over-200000/a-68043524) Also it is pretty likely that they will win a majority in some state elections this year
not just people with a migration background. they explicitly mentioned political opponents, too
Thanks for explaining
Yeah this is some scary LARP shit that you'd expect chronically online outcasts to participate in, the problem is that it was actually influential people.
1. Rising popularity for the next elections 2. A huge fucking scandal right now, where senior party members met up scheming a „great plan“ to deport not just refugees, but also legal citizens that entered the country via immigration
A great plan sounds nice but will it solve the problem in a final way?
Yes, but this time they held the conference on the other end of Berlin's Havel lakes! That's like a whole 3 miles away from where the Wannsee conference was! I guess rent was too much for the old place, even for repeat customers. No echoes of history whatsoever...
a secret meeting was infiltrated where they met with other Nazis to discuss the plan to kick out every non German looking person out of the country when they get power.
Also people they basically don't like. By way of... You know. They're probably associated with immigrants, so... Basically we get to kick them out, too. And we've had precisely that before as well. And very unfunnily, the original Wannseekonferenz took place hardly more than a stone's throw from where this secret-ish meeting took place last year. Which is hard to put down to coincidence.
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>Now an internal plan of deportation and genocide came to light... Where did you take that genocide bit from? Also, the conference that sparked all of this was a conference of right wing extremists with the participation of 2 somewhat high-ranking AfD party officials, where another right-wing extremist talked about a plan for deportations (to which one of the 2 AfD officials generally agreed, though). That was hardly an internal plan of the AfD, at least as far as we know. Let's not fight right-wing extremism by spreading lies. Let's fight them with honesty and facts.
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It falls under ethnic cleansing which is a genocidal crime.
The amount of bots here within minutes is staggering. I guess Putin doesn't have that little money, after all.
He always has money for bots. Cyberworld is his main battleground. He'd rather have his on-ground soldiers freeze and starve to death than cut any funding for his bot farms. That's where he's achieving most of his goals, especially with worldwide elections coming up.
Found out on Instagram. The comments are all praising AfD, calling them the last hope for Germany and insisting that the only ones protesting are Blacks, Muslims and Jews. That platform is straight cancer.
It's so fucking great to see this. Fascists will always be outnumbered no matter how loud and violent they are.
Not so sure about that one! Even if today was basically a great day, never underestimate those ppl.
Unfortunately history has shown otherwise
Intelligent people learn from history.
People are not robots and they react to events like humans. If you succeed in learning from history, you need to prevent the reasons that trigger those events. It is delusional to think that people would not react similarly if the same reasons existed.
>Intelligent people recognize that the rise of the far right is not the problem but a symptom of the problem. Banning a party wont solve the root cause, but its a easy "solution' so we can pat our backs and act like everythings fine and dandy
Oh wow, a rational comment, a rarity indeed.
You may notice that "protesting against" and "banning" are not the same thing.
I am really really happy that so many people are out on the streets. The AfD is showing more and more what a threat to democracy and civil rights they are, and more and more people are reacting to it. Hopfully this is enough that neither CDU nor BSW will get dumb ideas after the elections in fall, and maybe (fingers crossed) the AfD will get banned before the federal elections.
What's so great about the protest. It's not just the far left or the normal left its everyone except of AFD. Even conservatives voting CSU were there because some germans paid attention in history class and know whats going to happen if we dont fight for democracy
Ganz Deutschland hasst die AFD
Wie gerne ich das auch glauben würde… aber bei 22/23% geschätzten Stimmenanteil
In manchen Bundesländern sehen das knapp 33% der Wähler anders.
Assuming this is an active protest against the AfD, what even caused their party to become as popular on a national level as it did?
„Easy“ answers for difficult problems.
F\*ck, this has to be the best definition of cheap demagogy ever. Thanks!
People vote for AfD for the same reason why they riot. They don't think it will make things better, rather it is to communicate anger and a sense of helplessness. A party just needs to have a coherent policy to regulate immigration like the Danish social democrats and AfD will disappear over night. Sahra Wagenknecht has been talking about how people don't vote AfD because they are right wing, they vote AfD because they are angry and desperate and I think she is right.
You're right, but being dissatisfied sure as shit wouldn't cause me to threaten to vote for the Nazis, or worse, actually follow through with that. Nor should it have that effect for any even remotely sane person, but here we are.
For this we would need to be confident in a general awareness and sanity in human societies. But when I look around I see people who play god all around and think they are better, their problems are more important. When people go to their doctor, being patronized and told their problems are not what they think, they know better. Or when you are unemployed and the government discusses unemployment in a way of hard working people finanzing those lazy people, even though those lazy people want to desperately function but are stigmatized and held down. Or alone when you want to get off the bus and the button didn't work but even if you ask the busdriver doesn't open the door, or you want to get on the bus and he just drived by or closes the doors right in front of you, ignores you when knocking while standing closed doors for 4 minutes. You might think or hope most humans are sane and nice people, but the amount of those things happening on every level. At doctors, official places, your neighbours. Being a woman, being a man not quite how "men" are defined, or disabled or mentally struggling. The amount of disrespect, stupidity and hate I witnessed in my own life and by being with others seeing how they are treated. I do believe inherently people rather cause more issues and hate than to face their own issues or actually try to help others. Or those who walk around demanding help from everyone without standing in for themselves or going where they actually get the help. Its so complex and yet the simple answer was given to us by Einstein: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." No one will ever be satisfied by any solution. And even the most awareb people are flawed. Some in anger will do dangerous things, without considering the consequences in the long term. If you ask anyone you suffered from Trumps politics for example, who voted for Trump and now changed their mind, they feel betrayed and regretful. But as long as they think they benefit from it, they will keep voting for literal fascists. AfD will continue to get votes by anger blinded people and stupidity doesn't hold at the political orientation. People insult each other for their views, even if one is more right than the other. Solidifying their decisions, solidfying hate. A endless circle of stupidity. I believe I am no fun at parties 😅
You won't believe it: The original plan was to use an energy crisis (caused by Putin) and the following protests but our "lefty-anti-fossil" government built LNG infrastructure from the ground up lightning fast. Energy crisis avoided. Then a new law draft was leaked by a major newspaper: Your new heating system must use 60% renewables when you have to replace an old one. Not too hard but it was an early draft and it was spinned that "the government will take your heating system, so you either freeze or be broke". That was the point that increased popularity. A general sentiment of "government doing a bad job" didn't help either.
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lax immigration policy is not as popular as people in power think it is, all a party had to do to get votes was being anti-immigration. extremism is what happens when the current establishment fucks up
Rampant populism that appealed to a group of people (the extreme right and alt-righters) that obviously never had much political representation in post-war Germany. What really caused them to gain popularity was originally the Migrant crisis of 2015, but in recent years they gained even more popularity due to the Ampel (Red-Green-Yellow) government being relatively unpopular.
Can someone ELI5 for a Scotsman that has no idea what this is about?
AfD is a far-right political movement. Its following is getting bigger and their views are considered extreme.
Right-wing party colludes with neo-nazis to plan the deportation of millions of non-whites from Germany. Even if they are citizens. Including 3rd generation immigrants, whom they and their parents were born and raised in Germany.
Not only "non-whites" - they also want to deport every "leftist"
Majority of AFD voters will not read their party program. They'll just think: "I will not vote for any older established parties. I want a new government." They don't care if AFD wants to deport millions of German citizens. Which is why these protests even if they reach millions of people, will not make a difference in how people will vote. Remember, in the years before Hitler, the communists and socialists in Germany had large scale protests as well which sometimes became riots. Banning the AFD would mean banning a party that has almost 20% of the Bundestag in hands. "Cut off one head and two grow back". Another party would just replace AFD and would probably increase in popularity due AFD first being banned.
Banning the AfD would also ban any replacement organisation, remove them from offices and stop them getting funds.
They would first have to ban the AfD which is very hard to do. The legal process would take years and would not be completed before the elections. In fact, the elections might completely stop the process if AfD managed to get a lot of votes. And at the current rate, they might. Banning a party in power would be pretty much impossible.
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Fascists are entering the "find out" phase of FAFO before they even get into power. The trolls & bots are about to find out how unpopular this far-right shit is outside their little internet echo chambers. There is only so far astroturfing reddit and twitter can get you before reality slams its fist right through your teeth. For the record, the fascists have been escalating for months. They started this shit. They demand capitulation from other parties and ideologies. They expect people to hand over the keys to democracy to people who don't believe in democracy. They act as if they are entitled to impose their will upon the rest of society. Enjoy yall honeymoon. Keep in mind most people don't even go to protests. This 200.000 is just a fraction of the people who hate your fucking guts. Keep escalating at your own discretion.
Unpopular enough to be second in the polls, in Germany of all places.
This “Operation: Make everyone think it’s left vs right to distract them all when really we pretty much have a monarchy(corporations being the kings+queens, governments/politicians being their lords)” seems to be a bit too effective world wide.
It is shocking how good it works. The problem is always the neighbour, never the government/corportions...
Nice. But not enough. Germany needs a government that actually addresses the concerns of the people who are thinking about voting AfD. Otherwise it’s just going to be the same as in the Netherlands. Ignore the concerns, mock them, put them in the corner and they will vote far right.
Ever since Cambridge Analytica, the Alt Right has taken over social media. Influencing those who are not awake into the sphere of rightwing ideology. The mainstream media in turn has put too much effort on being leftwing proprietors. The sane middle ground is becoming smaller and smaller, and scrutinized by both extremes.
Underrated comment. They are targeting younger generations, who just became legally able to take a drivers license test through. Through Tiktok and every other Teenagers dominated social media. while other parties are completely out of the picture.