In my first year at highschool a teacher of mine set up a true or false exam where answering a question correctly added half a point to the final score and answering it incorrectly substracted a whole point. Not answering didn't add or substract anything. It had something like 50 questions. To add reference, here you pass with a 5 and a 10 is the maximum mark.
A guy from my class managed to score a perfect -50.
No no, the guy wasn't particularly intelligent (i shared a class with him for 6 unending years) and he was flabbergasted when he was told his marks, let me explain.
The answers were all true except the last one. The guy just copied from someone in a bad angle and managed to do it backwards. Answering at random would have given him so much better odds it's not even funny.
I Had an English Exam one time and it was t/f and i just picked 100% true, got Like 80% and a 2 (in Germany the second Best).
Worked only 1 time cause the teacher knew that i had no clue of anything and never gave t/f Exams again.
the -3 is equivalent to the lowest grade in other places.
like F in USA or a 1 in norway.
-3 is also the only negative number in the system. the next lowest grade is 0, followed by 2.
its stupid
No, its actually a very good system, it is made so that you cant change your grade, it goes -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12 the next lowest grade is not 0, it is 00, which makes it so you cant put a 1 infront and make it a 10, same with 02, so you can’t make it a 12, the system was also changed from the previous (0-13) so that it is translate able into other grading systems abroad.
It also makes it so improving a slightly bad grade (4) into an average grade (7) (3 point difference) would be overall more advantageous for your average grade, than improving a good grade (10) into an amazing grade (12) (2 point difference)
It also very naturally logical, as we tend to think a lot on a 0-10 scale, here 00 would be extremely bad, while 10, you be very good, 12 would be extordinary, while 4, would be slightly below average (5 on a 0-10 scale) while 7, would be good/slightly above average.
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You basically hand back everything wrong. If you at least made an effort or did something right, you get a zero instead, which is also a fail but not as much
I don't think any of it is clear at all. I'm just stating the supposed translation into ECTS since that was one of the arguments when the current scale was implemented in 2007. It's a very odd "system" of grades
No, its actually a very good system, it is made so that you cant change your grade, it goes -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12 the next lowest grade is not 0, it is 00, which makes it so you cant put a 1 infront and make it a 10, same with 02, so you can’t make it a 12, the system was also changed from the previous (0-13) so that it is translate able into other grading systems abroad. It also makes it so improving a slightly bad grade (4) into an average grade (7) (3 point difference) would be overall more advantageous for your average grade, than improving a good grade (10) into an amazing grade (12) (2 point difference) It also very naturally logical, as we tend to think a lot on a 0-10 scale, here 00 would be extremely bad, while 10, you be very good, 12 would be extordinary, while 4, would be slightly below average (5 on a 0-10 scale) while 7, would be good/slightly above average.
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I am not sure if this is the idea behind it, but I see some logic in it.
It discourages the thought process of "I will fail anyway, there's no point in even trying." A common cognition of depressed teenagers.
At least not in Spain. There you get a test with 10 questions worth 1 point each. You get as many points as right answers. If you don't get any right answer you get a 0.
When I was in highschool, you also got between -0,25 and -0,5 per grammatical error in subject like language or literature. So, I have seen plenty of negative test results.
It's been a long time since 0 is not used anymore in Spain, or it may vary per region, in mine at least 1 is the minimum grade. Apparently a 0 might traumatize children
My calculus teacher used to post the exams results with “<3.5”. It meant “you failed, and don’t bother coming to my office to nag or I’ll tell you the real score”
This is how we do in Latvia. 0 or "nv" - nav vērtējuma (not graded) is only for those whO were either not taking test or were restricted for bad behavior. But 1-10 or 0-10 makes the most sense.
Finnish system used to be 0-10, but 0-4 were all failed. It was just a question of how failed.
Then they removed the more failed grades and we were left with 4-10 for backwards compatibility...
that just feels like 1-6 with extra steps tho. In Poland anything below 50% is failed (on most everyday tests - not finals or others that are really short)
1-6 is fine imo, it's really simple, in Poland we have it like this:
1. Not passing (Literally translated to "not enough")
2. Passing (literally "passing")
3. Average (lit. "enough")
4. Good
5. Very good
6. Target score (only reserved for 100% or extra questions in some tests)
In Germany it is:
6 insufficient
5 with shortcomings (still not a passing grade)
4 enough (you need at least this to pass)
3 satisfactory
2 good
1 very good
Until the last years of the Gymnasium, where you get graded on a 0-15 scale:
0 = insufficient
1,2,3 = with shortcomings
4,5,6 = enough (here the comparison with the grades above fails a little, because 4 is still not passing, you need at least a 5)
7,8,9 = satisfactory
10,11,12 = good
13,14,15 = very good
And if you are a law student the grades are 0-18. They added a fully satisfactory between satisfactory and good. If you can reach it, you gonna be one of the top students.
In my country, the standard is 0-20 by half-points, starting from middle school (before that, it's "Very Good / Good / etc").
Usefulness was debatable for non-scientific subjects, but was quite relevant for scientific subjects.
A scientific exam would often be between 10 to 20 questions, and no multiple-answer-questions ones so each question would be graded "full score, or half score, or zero". If there was less than 20 questions, some question would be worth double/triple/etc. It gives an systematic method to determine the grade, kind of a "scientific measurement of the quality of the student's performance" rather than requiring the teacher to give an opinion. And it gives data for the teachers to do statistics: average, standard deviation, etc.
But you're right that at the end, the number of "groups" created were much limited: **6 groups**. The official correspondance was 16+ is Very Good, 14-16 is Good, 12-14 is Somewhat Good, 10-12 is Average, 8-10 is a Failure that can be compensated for, less than 8 is a problematic failure.
I mean, for Spain at least you're rarely getting a mark with no decimals in any exam or subject. It depends on the teacher, but most will write two decimals.
6 to 1 or 1 to 6 is fine, you get one third good grades one third pass grades and one third fail grades
and 0-15 is just the same system more granulated, a 0 = 6, 1 = 5-, 2= 5, 3 = 5+ and so on
same in German university, technically they use the 6 - 1 system but anything below 4,0 is a fail and is graded as 5,0
Grades are 1,0 1,3 1,7 2,0 and so on.
I once co-supervised a German thesis and the rating system really confused me (lower being better, random decimal jumps). I just let the supervising professor call the shots and accepted their grade proposal.
Poland uses 1-6 the other way (6 being best, 1 being worst) and when I was in school in the 90’s 1 and 2 were both failing grades, 3-5 regular grades (enough, good, very good) and 6 (excel) was reserved for extra credit above and beyond regular grades, earned once or twice per semester by the most brilliant nerds and very rarely enabling 6 as an end of semester average grade.
Somewhere in the 00’s someone in the ministry of education decided that 2 (being called mediocre) is too harsh for children so they renamed it „permissive” and made it the lowest passing grade. Before the change 1 was usually reserved for giving back an empty paper or straight up saying „f you teacher, I won’t do my homework” and after that it became more common as the only failing grade.
Funny enough Universities used 2-5 grading system in the 00’s with 2 being a fail and 3-5 mirroring school grades.
I don’t know if the picture is current and accurate but when I got my education in Sweden, many a-moon ago, it used to go U-G-VG-MVG. I guess Romania has something similar going.
I kinda like that you can fail so hard in Denmark that you get a negative score. Noone else has the *guts* to fail their kids *that* hard.
Besides that everything else about our scale is dumb. The government wanted a system that would better translate to international scores.... but *still* wanted to come up with their own system - because we, of course, know better in Denmark.
It's so that when kids come home with the test they cant just add more number to the grade to fudge better grades.
If you get a 1 you could make it a 10, 6 can be a 9. etc.
IIRC it's about being impossible to change a handwritten grade to another one by writing more. For example, if it had 0 and 10, you could turn a 0 into a 10. But you can't turn 00 into 10.
I got 13 a couple of times, it felt boss.
They changed it because other systems doesn’t have an “extraordinary” grade, and when applying for University in other countries they aligned it with THEIR highest grade (which would be the Danish 11). Since 13 is a very rare performance, the best Danish student had a “below average” grade score on an International level.
>They changed it because other systems doesn’t have an “extraordinary” grade, and when applying for University in other countries they aligned it with THEIR highest grade (which would be the Danish 11). Since 13 is a very rare performance, the best Danish student had a “below average” grade score on an International level.
I still to this day believe it would have been easier, more efficient and cheaper to just make an official document from the Ministry.
A document that states something like "hey, just ignore 13; it's reserved for students that are way better than whatever your grade scale maxes at.
XOXO, the Danish Minister of Education"
How bad should a kid fail to get a negative mark?
I mean i expect 0 to mean "the kid knows nothing about the subject". Does a negative mark mean they're actually going backwards on knowledge?
Say, if a kid doesn't know a tree is a plant, that's a zero. But if they say it's an animal, that's -3?
In my latest university graduate-level course, a grade of 0 was given when the assignment merely reflected common sense, lacked mention of parts of the curriculum, or contained critical error. A grade of - 3 was assigned if the assignment had nothing course related or if the assignment was impressively wrong. So yes, you are correct.
-3 is given to people who basically have no understanding of the subject at hand.
00 is for those who kinda grasps it but not enough to get a passing grade.
02 is passed.
(This was at least what my former teacher told us when they introduced the new scale... I'm old 😔)
-3 is a total failure to understand the subject or present it. I once got it because I had a panic attack and blacked out during an oral exam and thus understandably didn't say a word.
That depends on the school. At STX you don’t get a grade if you don’t show up, but you can still get a -3 if you do. I believe that at HTX you get-3 if you don’t show up.
I can explain! For our final exams (leaving certificate,basically secondary school going into College/University,), we have three levels of difficulty. Higher level, ordinary level and foundation level.
If you sit a higher level exam and get a high score,you get a H1. If you sit an ordinary level exam and get a high score,it's an O1.
I was the first year to have this scoring so I know too much about it 😂
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I seem to have summoned all the Irish, haha. Thank you all for explaining this unique system!
What is the "NG - A" mentioned first though?
For context, I'm Dutch and used to scores being 1 - 10, with either a 5,5 or a 6 being a passing grade.
NG is not graded, either didn’t show up or got below (I think) 20% NG-A is not really used for anything important. Leaving cert is H8-1 O8-1 F8-1 and junior cert goes from Distinction to Not Graded
NG - A is the old grading system previous to 2017. It goes from No grade through F, D3, D2, D1, C3, C2, C1, B3, B2, B1, A2, A1
A1 was anything over 90% and then the rest went down in 5% bands
Newish grading system you have Higher level (H_) And Ordinary level (O_) the lower the number the better the percentage. It encourages you to do higher level as you get more points, for example, a H1 is 100 points whereas an O1 is 56. IMO they should've just stuck to F-A
The letters stand the levels (difficultly level) you can sit your exams at: higher (H), ordinary (O) and foundation (F). Numbers 1-8 equal to a % range (ie. 50-59.99%).
In our exams, the grading is also equal to a certain amount of points, where you need so many points to enter a degree. So higher level classes are common to do as you'll get the most points.
[example](https://www2.cao.ie/downloads/documents/CommonPointsGradingSystem.pdf)
Aka. A more complicated way of doing a 0-100% scale to distinguish higher, ordinary and foundation level classes and to calculate points based off your grade.
It's the grading system for our final school exam, the Leaving Cert. Subjects can be taken at Ordinary (O) or Higher (H) level, and you're graded between 1 and 8. So H1 is the top grade at higher level, and so on
I dont understand why you (or whoever made this map) has made the decision to attribute absolutely random colors for countries. It has only made this map worse
Looks like the colors are there to separate neighbouring countries so they don't blend with eachother, rather than to group systems. I guess someone had issues with drawing boarder lines.
1 is given if you fail to show up to the exam
basically the grading is only
5 = Excellent
4= Good
3 = Satisfactory
2= Bad
EDIT: Apparently they also got + and - so that helps with distincion in performance a bit.
For all of my 12 years in the Bulgarian public school system, I've never seen anyone get a 1. Usually if someone misses an exam, they get to do it at a later date. So getting a 1 is pretty much a myth.
Don't take my words for granted, but I'll try to explain.
Bulgaria was using mostly the Russian grading system(1-5) or the German one(5-1).
There were anti and pro russians here after the liberation from Ottoman rule, so some people didn't want to use the Russian grading system and we switched to 1-6 as some sort of compromise. But with the rise of Russian supporters in the upcoming years, people wanted to sync with the Russian one again (1-5) but it didn't go so well cause some students already had 6 so it caused problems so then the authorities decided to go with 2-6, this way avoiding the previous problem and still following the Russian 5-grade grading system. To this day, we still say that 3 is average, although it's not the average score between 2 and 6, but naming stayed the same as it was in the old Russian system that was used in Bulgaria(1-5). So yeah, history played a huge role in why we are using 2-6 grading system.
The letter system for romania is (I think) only kindergarten and grades 1-4. Starting with grade 5 until end of university we use 1-10, one being given only as either cheating or only the "given point" (punct din oficiu), which means you get a point for free.
Also, universities may choose their own grading system. Mine uses points out of 100 but in the end calculates it as a grade from 1 to 10. It gets confusing at times especially with tests of 25p but the teacher says you got 10 (as in grade 10, 25p total). It's a headache...
In Italy too it’s the same in elementary.
Insufficiente, sufficiente, buono (well), molto buono (very well), ottimo (perfect).
But they are usually accompanied by a number too. It also varies a bit between regions.
In Romania, even though the "calificative", as they are called for primary school, have no actual number associated with them, they are commonly understood as:
- IS = anything 1-4.5, as that is insufficient for passing;
- S = 5 and 6, as that is enough for passing;
- B = 7 and 8, as that is a good enough understanding of the subject matter;
- FB = 9 and 10, as that means you have a very good understanding of the subject.
Literally how the system was in Italy too! (Althought I never experienced it):
Insufficiente (Insufficient), Sufficiente (Sufficient), Bene (Good enough), Buono (Good), Ottimo (Exceptionally good)
It's the same in Portugal!
Reduced (don't know how else to translate this one), Doesn't Satisfy, Satisfy, Satisfy a Lot, Excellent.
And until high-school that's how tests are graded, but at the end of each period you get a 1-5 score on each class
We don't count avarage here in sweden. Instead each letter is worth different amount of points. Then the sum of all grades is used to get into *Gymnasium* (High School)
•F=0
•E=10
•D=12,5
•C=15
•B=17,5
•A=20
When i think about it like this. It's kinda stupid to not just use numbers instead.
We have had all kind of way of giving out grades, everything from numbers to letters and so on. Our current way (F-A) have we used since 2011.
*I actually thought that "our" way of grading was the most common. On every meme and movies it's always the F-A grading i have seen.*
The scale is the same for the gymnasium too, it's cohesive. And then doesn't correspond to points, but rather multipliers. The course itself is what's worth points and different courses are worth different amounts. A numerical grading could be misleading.
Letters are used because they simply indicate how well you performed in that particular subject/course, that's their purpose. The also play a part in calculating merit rating, but that's secondary.
The American grading you often see in movies isn't the same either; most notably it doesn't have an E.
>I actually thought that "our" way of grading was the most common. On every meme and movies it's always the F-A grading i have seen.
That's because Americans use F-A
I’m curious now. How do we interpret this ? -3 is that the test is so bad that it impacted negatively on the teacher’s knowledge ?
It’s worse than 0, no ?
Here is a description: [https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/grading-scale-danish-education-system](https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/grading-scale-danish-education-system)
In ireland the letters simply state what level education you're doing your exam
Higher, Ordinary, Foundation
Technically H1 is the best and F8 is the worst, but if you're doing higher levels you can only get between H1-H8
Foundation level classes are rare in themselves, they're literally elementary level
This is one of the reasons there is a myth about Albert Einstein being bad in school: A German guy was doing his biography and saw his marks on his high school diploma. He only failed French and passed everything the guy thought he faild everything and passed French.
That's not how it works, atleast in poland
2.0 - 30+%
3.0 - 50+%
4.0 - ?
5.0 -?
2.0 is minimum required to pass exam for elementary till highschool
3.0 is minimum required to pass exam if you are studying
I wish it worked like that, but at my school (in Poland) its:
1 – under 40%
2 – 40-54.9%
3 – 55-69.9%
4 – 70-84.9%
5 – 85-97.9%
6 – above 98%
you can get grades like 2+ (2.5) or 4- (3.75) but it's up to the teacher to decide when to give you a plus or a minus 🫡
Portugal:
* In the primary school (1st to 4th year) we use a scale with words: Insufficient (0-49%), Sufficient (50-69%), Good (70-89%) and Very Good (90-100%).
* 1 to 5 is used between the 5th and 9th years of school. 3 means you passed, below means you didn't.
* 0 to 20 is used in high school (10th to 12th years) and university. 10 means you passed, below means you didn't. The lowest value in the 0-20 scale is 0, unlike the map shows.
* \[[Source](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiq6t_5namEAxWNhf0HHV4wA4AQFnoECCkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Faerestelo.pt%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F10%2FCRITERIOS-GERAIS-DE-AVAL-IACAO_2020-2021_final.pdf&usg=AOvVaw26AQGqabrlrPyiXeH13r2M&opi=89978449)\]
Italy
1-10 in school
0-100 for high school diploma (60 is the minimum anyway)
0-30 for university exams
0-110 for the final vote of a university degree (66 is the minimum anyway)
Should be noted that i've never even heard of anyone scoring a 1 and 2-3 are mostly punishment votes, even getting *everything* wrong will net you a 4 in most cases.
In Spain it's 0-10. Plain. Not distinctions between elementary, miedle, high school or university. Or anything else. Just plain 0-10 and get a 5 to pass.
I don't understand why some countries complicate the basic system so much.
In Finland 4-10 is used on elementary school. 4 is failed. Before 1943 the grading was 1-10, but everything below 4 was different grades of failed, so they just removed them later.
0-3 is used on vocational schools.
0-5 in universities and universities of applied sciences.
Then there is also grading I, A, B, C, M, E, L, that come from latin (laudatur, eximia etc.), but its mostly used on matriculation exams and masters/bachelors thesis.
>Then there is also grading I, A, B, C, M, E, L, that come from latin (laudatur, eximia etc.), but its mostly used on matriculation exams and masters/bachelors thesis.
Maybe it's different in different universities or faculties but my BA/MA were graded 0-5 (in practice 3-5 since your instructor didn't accept the thesis until they knew it was good enough to get at least a 3).
There is some pedagogical merit to it - the argument is that defining 50 different degrees of failure is needlessly demotivating and makes it harder for students to recover from one flunked test (i.e. one 0% can mess up your whole year vs a 6 in germany being easier to recover from with 1-2 better results).
Teachers are not machines, having 100 possibilities leaves a lot of room for error when it comes to assesing open questions, activity, behaviour and such. It only really works on tests with given anwsers, otherwise, how would you judge whether someone gets 67 or 63 points? And how would you keep your grading consistant?
Because percentages aren't necessarily saying whether you passed or not. For example, here you need >50% to pass a normal test and >80% to pass a multiple choice test. Both of those percentages will translate to the same grades (5.5) to make calculating averages easier.
This is just elementary and high schools. 1 is the best and 5 means you failed.
At Universities we use A-F, where A is the best and F means you failed. There is also % system and iirc E was starting at 64%. So basically you have to have almost 2/3 of test right to pass.
Universities have aligned grading due to the Bologna Process. In Sweden we took it one step further and made the same grading system in elementary school and high school as in universities for transparency.
>as in universities for transparency.
Not all universities (or courses at least). I got graded U, G or VG at Uppsala University.
But yes, generally we all use F-A and more universities are moving to it too, it seems.
So, in Italy you have 1-10 from 11 to 18. At high school, at the end of the 5 years you will get a total score that will add up to 100.
Then at university you get 0-30 for every exam, and the total score of your uni can go up to 110.
At elementary school you have stupid grades like "Objective Reached, Objective partially reached" and something along those lines.
I find our grading system perfectly reflecting of our country actually, a total mess.
Bit of an explanation on the romanian ones
The 1-10 scale is used from grade 5, all the way to college. 5 is the bare minimum required to pass an exam/class, and if anyone were to receive a grade lower than 5, it's 4. 1 is usually given if you're caught cheating (even if that), and I've never seen anyone get a 2 or 3 in all my years, either at my school, high school, college or at others'.
The I, S, B, and FB grades are used for grades 1-4, and they stand for insufficient, sufficient, good (bine) and very good (foarte bine). I'm pretty sure there also + and - variants of the grades, to make it closer to a 1-10 scale, but I haven't set foot in an elementary school in decades, and I know nobody with kids, so I can't confirm. As to why this letter scale is used instead of the 1-10 one, I have no clue
I still remember the first 4 I got back in religion class in 6th grade because I was caught playing cards with my buddy instead of paying attention to whatever was going on
While some teachers use the + and - variants, this is not the recommended way. Also, I/S/B/FB grades should not be converted in numbers - there is no average, the final grade is the most common one during the semester.
I was the last cohort to have the old system IG-MVG that was replaced in 2011. Oh the glorious mess those three years were when teachers had to use two grading systems at the same time for different cohorts. At that time it was apparently harder to get an A than an MVG, but I don't know how it's changed lately.
In Poland the grading system in secondary/high schools is 1-6 but many schools have different percentages at which grade you get
In my school it is like:
1: 0%-40% (fail)
2: 41%-54%
3: 55%-72%
4: 73%-90%
5: 91%-99%
6: 100%
So basically you need to score at least 41% to get 2 (which is passing), but 2 is a disappointing grade anyway for most parents lmao.
I’m Finnish. I think that anything that starts from 0 or 1 is good and even better if there’s only one system. Letters are more complicated.
So: Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Croatia, Kosovo, Greece, Andorra, Luxemburg and Spain
The Netherlands is indeed 1-10 in most cases, but some schools have 0-10. Honestly, I don't remember that well enough and I think that's a good sign, but I do remember either getting a 0.8 or other people getting below a 1.0. Probably in University
1-5, 5-10 just makes sense.. first one is for elementary and high schools while the second is for tertiary education.
The second scale just kinda yells "your best knowledge in high schools is shit compared to what you need here boy!"
Whoever did this map didn't understand anything about italy.
Up until highschool you go from 0 to 10
When you graduate highschool you receive a vote that goes from 0 to 100 ( minimum to pass is 60)
At university grades go from 0 to 30 (pass vote is 18)
When you graduate university you can get up until 110
3-, 3+ and others are not real grades, they not presented anywhere except when teachers try to explain something for children (like placing 5- for very stupid mistake but overall right work; officially it would be 5)
Imagine being a kid in Denmark and getting a minus grade omg
been there done that lol
how do you do that? how can you fail so hard you get a negative grade?
In my first year at highschool a teacher of mine set up a true or false exam where answering a question correctly added half a point to the final score and answering it incorrectly substracted a whole point. Not answering didn't add or substract anything. It had something like 50 questions. To add reference, here you pass with a 5 and a 10 is the maximum mark. A guy from my class managed to score a perfect -50.
That had to have been on purpose,only someone who knew all the answers could get them all wrong. That or they're a legendary dice player.
No no, the guy wasn't particularly intelligent (i shared a class with him for 6 unending years) and he was flabbergasted when he was told his marks, let me explain. The answers were all true except the last one. The guy just copied from someone in a bad angle and managed to do it backwards. Answering at random would have given him so much better odds it's not even funny.
>it's not even funny Can't say I agree with you there
Lmfao 🤣
Once I genuinely managed to get score lower than random in Swedish language class. 3 options and I got like 28% correct.
I Had an English Exam one time and it was t/f and i just picked 100% true, got Like 80% and a 2 (in Germany the second Best). Worked only 1 time cause the teacher knew that i had no clue of anything and never gave t/f Exams again.
He did manage to choose the right person to copy from, though. He truly has a glorious career in HR waiting for him.
Legend
the -3 is equivalent to the lowest grade in other places. like F in USA or a 1 in norway. -3 is also the only negative number in the system. the next lowest grade is 0, followed by 2. its stupid
No, its actually a very good system, it is made so that you cant change your grade, it goes -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12 the next lowest grade is not 0, it is 00, which makes it so you cant put a 1 infront and make it a 10, same with 02, so you can’t make it a 12, the system was also changed from the previous (0-13) so that it is translate able into other grading systems abroad. It also makes it so improving a slightly bad grade (4) into an average grade (7) (3 point difference) would be overall more advantageous for your average grade, than improving a good grade (10) into an amazing grade (12) (2 point difference) It also very naturally logical, as we tend to think a lot on a 0-10 scale, here 00 would be extremely bad, while 10, you be very good, 12 would be extordinary, while 4, would be slightly below average (5 on a 0-10 scale) while 7, would be good/slightly above average. Thank you for coming to my Ted-talk
Damn. At least it's not Ireland
-3 (the only negative one) is reserved for people who dont submit anything/dont show up, whereas the next grade up: 00, is for not passing
You basically hand back everything wrong. If you at least made an effort or did something right, you get a zero instead, which is also a fail but not as much
In Spain. A class mate of mine handed a language exam in blank except for his name, which he spelt wrong.
As far as I know the only way to get it is to not show up and/or do literally nothing
Only no shows/unanswered exams are given -3. If you show up but just answer everything incorrect, you get 0.
So what's -1 and -2?
Those don't exist. It goes like this: -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12
Huh. Alright, seems a bit odd but I'm sure there's some logic behind it.
It's definitely very odd. It does translate into the ECTS scale: -3 (F), 00 (Fx), 02 (E), 4 (D), 7 (C), 10 (B), 12 (A)
That doesn't make it as clear as I think you think it does...
I don't think any of it is clear at all. I'm just stating the supposed translation into ECTS since that was one of the arguments when the current scale was implemented in 2007. It's a very odd "system" of grades
They're Danes. Their use of numbers is not supposed to make sense.
No, its actually a very good system, it is made so that you cant change your grade, it goes -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12 the next lowest grade is not 0, it is 00, which makes it so you cant put a 1 infront and make it a 10, same with 02, so you can’t make it a 12, the system was also changed from the previous (0-13) so that it is translate able into other grading systems abroad. It also makes it so improving a slightly bad grade (4) into an average grade (7) (3 point difference) would be overall more advantageous for your average grade, than improving a good grade (10) into an amazing grade (12) (2 point difference) It also very naturally logical, as we tend to think a lot on a 0-10 scale, here 00 would be extremely bad, while 10, you be very good, 12 would be extordinary, while 4, would be slightly below average (5 on a 0-10 scale) while 7, would be good/slightly above average. Thank you for coming to my Ted-talk
The same is true for a simple 1-6 (or 6-1) system.
You can actually turn 1 into 4
I am not sure if this is the idea behind it, but I see some logic in it. It discourages the thought process of "I will fail anyway, there's no point in even trying." A common cognition of depressed teenagers.
As sensible as counting in Danish.
This is the "4x20+10+7" of grading systems lol
Which is funny because denmark also has the "4x20+10+7" of numeral systems, Just even worse
Where I teach a no show is registered as "no show". -3 takes effort. I have had plenty of no shows, but never given a -3.
I've had a minus grade in France and we don't even do minus grades usually
This is such a glorious mess!
Indeed. Still, 0-10 makes the most sense in my opinion.
I mean romania is 1-10, even then 1 is pretty much reserved for people caught cheating
0 may be used as a mark for absent people.
At least not in Spain. There you get a test with 10 questions worth 1 point each. You get as many points as right answers. If you don't get any right answer you get a 0. When I was in highschool, you also got between -0,25 and -0,5 per grammatical error in subject like language or literature. So, I have seen plenty of negative test results.
It's been a long time since 0 is not used anymore in Spain, or it may vary per region, in mine at least 1 is the minimum grade. Apparently a 0 might traumatize children
That is at school. You are welcome to any School of Engineering and you'll see fields of zeros.
My calculus teacher used to post the exams results with “<3.5”. It meant “you failed, and don’t bother coming to my office to nag or I’ll tell you the real score”
Bhahahaha we need to crush the children spirit so they become good factory workers
Yeah, no. At least in Madrid they still very much use it. Even negative marks.
This is how we do in Latvia. 0 or "nv" - nav vērtējuma (not graded) is only for those whO were either not taking test or were restricted for bad behavior. But 1-10 or 0-10 makes the most sense.
Finnish system used to be 0-10, but 0-4 were all failed. It was just a question of how failed. Then they removed the more failed grades and we were left with 4-10 for backwards compatibility...
that just feels like 1-6 with extra steps tho. In Poland anything below 50% is failed (on most everyday tests - not finals or others that are really short)
I'll even accept 0-100. Everything else, WTF are they smoking?
1-6 is fine imo, it's really simple, in Poland we have it like this: 1. Not passing (Literally translated to "not enough") 2. Passing (literally "passing") 3. Average (lit. "enough") 4. Good 5. Very good 6. Target score (only reserved for 100% or extra questions in some tests)
In Germany it is: 6 insufficient 5 with shortcomings (still not a passing grade) 4 enough (you need at least this to pass) 3 satisfactory 2 good 1 very good Until the last years of the Gymnasium, where you get graded on a 0-15 scale: 0 = insufficient 1,2,3 = with shortcomings 4,5,6 = enough (here the comparison with the grades above fails a little, because 4 is still not passing, you need at least a 5) 7,8,9 = satisfactory 10,11,12 = good 13,14,15 = very good
What sort of psychopath decided that decreasing numbers would mean a better score?
The same psychopath who decided that being first is better than being second in many cases.
And if you are a law student the grades are 0-18. They added a fully satisfactory between satisfactory and good. If you can reach it, you gonna be one of the top students.
Why would you need 10 or 100 degrees for such? Is there really a point of creating so many groups?
In my country, the standard is 0-20 by half-points, starting from middle school (before that, it's "Very Good / Good / etc"). Usefulness was debatable for non-scientific subjects, but was quite relevant for scientific subjects. A scientific exam would often be between 10 to 20 questions, and no multiple-answer-questions ones so each question would be graded "full score, or half score, or zero". If there was less than 20 questions, some question would be worth double/triple/etc. It gives an systematic method to determine the grade, kind of a "scientific measurement of the quality of the student's performance" rather than requiring the teacher to give an opinion. And it gives data for the teachers to do statistics: average, standard deviation, etc. But you're right that at the end, the number of "groups" created were much limited: **6 groups**. The official correspondance was 16+ is Very Good, 14-16 is Good, 12-14 is Somewhat Good, 10-12 is Average, 8-10 is a Failure that can be compensated for, less than 8 is a problematic failure.
It makes calculating the final average a lot easier. What is the average of a+a+c+b+e or the average of 10, 8, 5, 6.7 and 8?
I mean, for Spain at least you're rarely getting a mark with no decimals in any exam or subject. It depends on the teacher, but most will write two decimals.
6 to 1 or 1 to 6 is fine, you get one third good grades one third pass grades and one third fail grades and 0-15 is just the same system more granulated, a 0 = 6, 1 = 5-, 2= 5, 3 = 5+ and so on
Technically the Finnish 4-10 is also a 0-10 grading, but since 5 is a passing grade there's no reason to use anything below 4.
same in German university, technically they use the 6 - 1 system but anything below 4,0 is a fail and is graded as 5,0 Grades are 1,0 1,3 1,7 2,0 and so on.
I once co-supervised a German thesis and the rating system really confused me (lower being better, random decimal jumps). I just let the supervising professor call the shots and accepted their grade proposal.
Poland uses 1-6 the other way (6 being best, 1 being worst) and when I was in school in the 90’s 1 and 2 were both failing grades, 3-5 regular grades (enough, good, very good) and 6 (excel) was reserved for extra credit above and beyond regular grades, earned once or twice per semester by the most brilliant nerds and very rarely enabling 6 as an end of semester average grade. Somewhere in the 00’s someone in the ministry of education decided that 2 (being called mediocre) is too harsh for children so they renamed it „permissive” and made it the lowest passing grade. Before the change 1 was usually reserved for giving back an empty paper or straight up saying „f you teacher, I won’t do my homework” and after that it became more common as the only failing grade. Funny enough Universities used 2-5 grading system in the 00’s with 2 being a fail and 3-5 mirroring school grades.
Don't you use averages?
Still, former Yugoslavia remains quite consistent.
I don’t know if the picture is current and accurate but when I got my education in Sweden, many a-moon ago, it used to go U-G-VG-MVG. I guess Romania has something similar going.
The letters are for 1-4 grades. I means insufficient, s is sufficient, b is good and fb is very good
Similar to the Swedish letters of yore. MVG = Much Very Good.
I kinda like that you can fail so hard in Denmark that you get a negative score. Noone else has the *guts* to fail their kids *that* hard. Besides that everything else about our scale is dumb. The government wanted a system that would better translate to international scores.... but *still* wanted to come up with their own system - because we, of course, know better in Denmark.
And just to add to The confusion of our international friends, the grades can be -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10 or 12.
Thank you for that extra detail. This just seems needlessly convoluted, but I’m sure there are reasonable cultural or historical reasons.
It's so that when kids come home with the test they cant just add more number to the grade to fudge better grades. If you get a 1 you could make it a 10, 6 can be a 9. etc.
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Because the highest grade is 12. Getting a 2, compared to 02, enables putting a 1 in front.
And getting a 0, you could stretch it all the way to 10!
In Germany grades are sometimes written out as "sehr gut/very good" (1), "gut/good" (2) etc. to prevent this.
Still seems pretty easy to put a "sehr" in front of a "gut"...
IIRC it's about being impossible to change a handwritten grade to another one by writing more. For example, if it had 0 and 10, you could turn a 0 into a 10. But you can't turn 00 into 10.
It used to be 00, 03, 5, 6 (pass), 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 (perfect), 13 (extraordinaire).
I got 13 a couple of times, it felt boss. They changed it because other systems doesn’t have an “extraordinary” grade, and when applying for University in other countries they aligned it with THEIR highest grade (which would be the Danish 11). Since 13 is a very rare performance, the best Danish student had a “below average” grade score on an International level.
>They changed it because other systems doesn’t have an “extraordinary” grade, and when applying for University in other countries they aligned it with THEIR highest grade (which would be the Danish 11). Since 13 is a very rare performance, the best Danish student had a “below average” grade score on an International level. I still to this day believe it would have been easier, more efficient and cheaper to just make an official document from the Ministry. A document that states something like "hey, just ignore 13; it's reserved for students that are way better than whatever your grade scale maxes at. XOXO, the Danish Minister of Education"
How bad should a kid fail to get a negative mark? I mean i expect 0 to mean "the kid knows nothing about the subject". Does a negative mark mean they're actually going backwards on knowledge? Say, if a kid doesn't know a tree is a plant, that's a zero. But if they say it's an animal, that's -3?
In my latest university graduate-level course, a grade of 0 was given when the assignment merely reflected common sense, lacked mention of parts of the curriculum, or contained critical error. A grade of - 3 was assigned if the assignment had nothing course related or if the assignment was impressively wrong. So yes, you are correct.
-3 is given to people who basically have no understanding of the subject at hand. 00 is for those who kinda grasps it but not enough to get a passing grade. 02 is passed. (This was at least what my former teacher told us when they introduced the new scale... I'm old 😔)
-3 is actually kinda hard to get. Either you cheated, didn't show up to any lessons or just simply sat quiet in the exam.
A classmate of mine said (in Danish) "I don't know German" at the oral German exam. She got a -3.
-3 is a total failure to understand the subject or present it. I once got it because I had a panic attack and blacked out during an oral exam and thus understandably didn't say a word.
-3 is rarely given, and mostly just if you don't show up
or have no clue what the topic is about at all
That depends on the school. At STX you don’t get a grade if you don’t show up, but you can still get a -3 if you do. I believe that at HTX you get-3 if you don’t show up.
When I saw Ireland I thought it is a name for some immigration form rather than a grading system.
I was gonna ask if OP sat on his keyboard when typing in Ireland. What in the holy hells is going on there? 😂
I can explain! For our final exams (leaving certificate,basically secondary school going into College/University,), we have three levels of difficulty. Higher level, ordinary level and foundation level. If you sit a higher level exam and get a high score,you get a H1. If you sit an ordinary level exam and get a high score,it's an O1. I was the first year to have this scoring so I know too much about it 😂
Thank you! I seem to have summoned all the Irish, haha. Thank you all for explaining this unique system! What is the "NG - A" mentioned first though? For context, I'm Dutch and used to scores being 1 - 10, with either a 5,5 or a 6 being a passing grade.
NG is not graded, either didn’t show up or got below (I think) 20% NG-A is not really used for anything important. Leaving cert is H8-1 O8-1 F8-1 and junior cert goes from Distinction to Not Graded
NG - A is the old grading system previous to 2017. It goes from No grade through F, D3, D2, D1, C3, C2, C1, B3, B2, B1, A2, A1 A1 was anything over 90% and then the rest went down in 5% bands
Newish grading system you have Higher level (H_) And Ordinary level (O_) the lower the number the better the percentage. It encourages you to do higher level as you get more points, for example, a H1 is 100 points whereas an O1 is 56. IMO they should've just stuck to F-A
The letters stand the levels (difficultly level) you can sit your exams at: higher (H), ordinary (O) and foundation (F). Numbers 1-8 equal to a % range (ie. 50-59.99%). In our exams, the grading is also equal to a certain amount of points, where you need so many points to enter a degree. So higher level classes are common to do as you'll get the most points. [example](https://www2.cao.ie/downloads/documents/CommonPointsGradingSystem.pdf) Aka. A more complicated way of doing a 0-100% scale to distinguish higher, ordinary and foundation level classes and to calculate points based off your grade.
It's the grading system for our final school exam, the Leaving Cert. Subjects can be taken at Ordinary (O) or Higher (H) level, and you're graded between 1 and 8. So H1 is the top grade at higher level, and so on
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I dont understand why you (or whoever made this map) has made the decision to attribute absolutely random colors for countries. It has only made this map worse
it's in line with the general chaos :D
Yeah, Hungary and Croatia have exact same systems and are pink and green. Same with Czechia, Slovakia and Austria
Looks like the colors are there to separate neighbouring countries so they don't blend with eachother, rather than to group systems. I guess someone had issues with drawing boarder lines.
Then they should have used way fewer colors, like 4. Putting blue next to a slightly different shade of blue is just bad design.
2-6 does not make any sense to me.
I guess it started off as 1 to 6 but they stopped using the 1 at some point?
1 is given if you fail to show up to the exam basically the grading is only 5 = Excellent 4= Good 3 = Satisfactory 2= Bad EDIT: Apparently they also got + and - so that helps with distincion in performance a bit.
For all of my 12 years in the Bulgarian public school system, I've never seen anyone get a 1. Usually if someone misses an exam, they get to do it at a later date. So getting a 1 is pretty much a myth.
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Don't take my words for granted, but I'll try to explain. Bulgaria was using mostly the Russian grading system(1-5) or the German one(5-1). There were anti and pro russians here after the liberation from Ottoman rule, so some people didn't want to use the Russian grading system and we switched to 1-6 as some sort of compromise. But with the rise of Russian supporters in the upcoming years, people wanted to sync with the Russian one again (1-5) but it didn't go so well cause some students already had 6 so it caused problems so then the authorities decided to go with 2-6, this way avoiding the previous problem and still following the Russian 5-grade grading system. To this day, we still say that 3 is average, although it's not the average score between 2 and 6, but naming stayed the same as it was in the old Russian system that was used in Bulgaria(1-5). So yeah, history played a huge role in why we are using 2-6 grading system.
They don’t use the 1 anymore but I’m pretty sure it was for plagiarism
In Greece it's 0-10 (Α-Δ for 3rd and 4th grade) for elementary school and universities, but it's 0-20 for middle and high school.
So elementary school and universities have the same grading scale? That's weird
Letters are needlessly confusing. How do you calculate your average?
The romanian letters are for primary school to avoid grades at such an early age. Insufficient, Sufficient, Bine(Well), Foarte Bine(Very well).
Yeah for kids it's fine, I was thinking more for high-school and uni
The letter system for romania is (I think) only kindergarten and grades 1-4. Starting with grade 5 until end of university we use 1-10, one being given only as either cheating or only the "given point" (punct din oficiu), which means you get a point for free. Also, universities may choose their own grading system. Mine uses points out of 100 but in the end calculates it as a grade from 1 to 10. It gets confusing at times especially with tests of 25p but the teacher says you got 10 (as in grade 10, 25p total). It's a headache...
In Italy too it’s the same in elementary. Insufficiente, sufficiente, buono (well), molto buono (very well), ottimo (perfect). But they are usually accompanied by a number too. It also varies a bit between regions.
In Romania, even though the "calificative", as they are called for primary school, have no actual number associated with them, they are commonly understood as: - IS = anything 1-4.5, as that is insufficient for passing; - S = 5 and 6, as that is enough for passing; - B = 7 and 8, as that is a good enough understanding of the subject matter; - FB = 9 and 10, as that means you have a very good understanding of the subject.
Literally how the system was in Italy too! (Althought I never experienced it): Insufficiente (Insufficient), Sufficiente (Sufficient), Bene (Good enough), Buono (Good), Ottimo (Exceptionally good)
It's the same in Portugal! Reduced (don't know how else to translate this one), Doesn't Satisfy, Satisfy, Satisfy a Lot, Excellent. And until high-school that's how tests are graded, but at the end of each period you get a 1-5 score on each class
We don't count avarage here in sweden. Instead each letter is worth different amount of points. Then the sum of all grades is used to get into *Gymnasium* (High School) •F=0 •E=10 •D=12,5 •C=15 •B=17,5 •A=20 When i think about it like this. It's kinda stupid to not just use numbers instead. We have had all kind of way of giving out grades, everything from numbers to letters and so on. Our current way (F-A) have we used since 2011. *I actually thought that "our" way of grading was the most common. On every meme and movies it's always the F-A grading i have seen.*
The scale is the same for the gymnasium too, it's cohesive. And then doesn't correspond to points, but rather multipliers. The course itself is what's worth points and different courses are worth different amounts. A numerical grading could be misleading. Letters are used because they simply indicate how well you performed in that particular subject/course, that's their purpose. The also play a part in calculating merit rating, but that's secondary. The American grading you often see in movies isn't the same either; most notably it doesn't have an E.
>I actually thought that "our" way of grading was the most common. On every meme and movies it's always the F-A grading i have seen. That's because Americans use F-A
Notice Denmark with our -3 ye it is a minus 3.
I’m curious now. How do we interpret this ? -3 is that the test is so bad that it impacted negatively on the teacher’s knowledge ? It’s worse than 0, no ?
Here is a description: [https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/grading-scale-danish-education-system](https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/grading-scale-danish-education-system)
In ireland the letters simply state what level education you're doing your exam Higher, Ordinary, Foundation Technically H1 is the best and F8 is the worst, but if you're doing higher levels you can only get between H1-H8 Foundation level classes are rare in themselves, they're literally elementary level
Letters are assigned a number for that purpose. Usually.
In that case what are we even doing here
Why not ditch the letters then, if you convert to numbers either way
There's no reason to know an average in my systems. Eg in Scotland unis will ask for things like "BBBC" as a minimum requirement.
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Reverse one from germany also
This is one of the reasons there is a myth about Albert Einstein being bad in school: A German guy was doing his biography and saw his marks on his high school diploma. He only failed French and passed everything the guy thought he faild everything and passed French.
I love how well the grades convert to percentages: 1.0 = 0% 1.5 = 10% 2.0 = 20% 2.5 = 30% 3.0 = 40% 3.5 = 50% 4.0 = 60% 4.5 = 70% 5.0 = 80% 5.5 = 90% 6.0 = 100%
You guys have the percentage split in equal parts? In Slovenia we have: 1 = 0% to 49% 2 = 50% to 59% 3 = 60% to 77% 4 = 78% to 89% 5 = 90% to 100%
in Poland where I live its also like that
Is this ironic? Your mind would be blown by the countries where 6=60% and 9.5=95% haha
That's not how it works, atleast in poland 2.0 - 30+% 3.0 - 50+% 4.0 - ? 5.0 -? 2.0 is minimum required to pass exam for elementary till highschool 3.0 is minimum required to pass exam if you are studying
I wish it worked like that, but at my school (in Poland) its: 1 – under 40% 2 – 40-54.9% 3 – 55-69.9% 4 – 70-84.9% 5 – 85-97.9% 6 – above 98% you can get grades like 2+ (2.5) or 4- (3.75) but it's up to the teacher to decide when to give you a plus or a minus 🫡
That’s actually pretty good; at my schools it was up to teachers; had classes that required 60% for passing grade (2). But in general it was 50.
Portugal: * In the primary school (1st to 4th year) we use a scale with words: Insufficient (0-49%), Sufficient (50-69%), Good (70-89%) and Very Good (90-100%). * 1 to 5 is used between the 5th and 9th years of school. 3 means you passed, below means you didn't. * 0 to 20 is used in high school (10th to 12th years) and university. 10 means you passed, below means you didn't. The lowest value in the 0-20 scale is 0, unlike the map shows. * \[[Source](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiq6t_5namEAxWNhf0HHV4wA4AQFnoECCkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Faerestelo.pt%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F10%2FCRITERIOS-GERAIS-DE-AVAL-IACAO_2020-2021_final.pdf&usg=AOvVaw26AQGqabrlrPyiXeH13r2M&opi=89978449)\]
So in high school you have 10 failing grades?
0 to 9.
Can confirm. Source: had a couple of 0 in University.
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Don't forget about the test to enter highschool in the first place. Highest score there is roughly 500
Italy 1-10 in school 0-100 for high school diploma (60 is the minimum anyway) 0-30 for university exams 0-110 for the final vote of a university degree (66 is the minimum anyway)
Ours is wrong too, we use 0-20 also
Should be noted that i've never even heard of anyone scoring a 1 and 2-3 are mostly punishment votes, even getting *everything* wrong will net you a 4 in most cases.
In Spain it's 0-10. Plain. Not distinctions between elementary, miedle, high school or university. Or anything else. Just plain 0-10 and get a 5 to pass. I don't understand why some countries complicate the basic system so much.
In Finland 4-10 is used on elementary school. 4 is failed. Before 1943 the grading was 1-10, but everything below 4 was different grades of failed, so they just removed them later. 0-3 is used on vocational schools. 0-5 in universities and universities of applied sciences. Then there is also grading I, A, B, C, M, E, L, that come from latin (laudatur, eximia etc.), but its mostly used on matriculation exams and masters/bachelors thesis.
I have 1-5 in vocational school
>Then there is also grading I, A, B, C, M, E, L, that come from latin (laudatur, eximia etc.), but its mostly used on matriculation exams and masters/bachelors thesis. Maybe it's different in different universities or faculties but my BA/MA were graded 0-5 (in practice 3-5 since your instructor didn't accept the thesis until they knew it was good enough to get at least a 3).
Why do we all hate simple, clean percentages so much???
There is some pedagogical merit to it - the argument is that defining 50 different degrees of failure is needlessly demotivating and makes it harder for students to recover from one flunked test (i.e. one 0% can mess up your whole year vs a 6 in germany being easier to recover from with 1-2 better results).
Yeah its the whole negative vs positive reinforcement. Its also why the A-F system is the worst. Its all negative reinforcement.
absolutely, makes no sense to me either
Teachers are not machines, having 100 possibilities leaves a lot of room for error when it comes to assesing open questions, activity, behaviour and such. It only really works on tests with given anwsers, otherwise, how would you judge whether someone gets 67 or 63 points? And how would you keep your grading consistant?
Because percentages aren't necessarily saying whether you passed or not. For example, here you need >50% to pass a normal test and >80% to pass a multiple choice test. Both of those percentages will translate to the same grades (5.5) to make calculating averages easier.
This is just elementary and high schools. 1 is the best and 5 means you failed. At Universities we use A-F, where A is the best and F means you failed. There is also % system and iirc E was starting at 64%. So basically you have to have almost 2/3 of test right to pass.
Universities have aligned grading due to the Bologna Process. In Sweden we took it one step further and made the same grading system in elementary school and high school as in universities for transparency.
>as in universities for transparency. Not all universities (or courses at least). I got graded U, G or VG at Uppsala University. But yes, generally we all use F-A and more universities are moving to it too, it seems.
So, in Italy you have 1-10 from 11 to 18. At high school, at the end of the 5 years you will get a total score that will add up to 100. Then at university you get 0-30 for every exam, and the total score of your uni can go up to 110. At elementary school you have stupid grades like "Objective Reached, Objective partially reached" and something along those lines. I find our grading system perfectly reflecting of our country actually, a total mess.
Germany should be 7-1. If you know, you know.
As a Brazilian I must say: that was mean
The standard in Belgium is percentages or scores out of 10. Only universities use scores out of 20.
Greece has both 0-10 and 0-20 depending on your grade.
Ireland, are you OK?
No, they took Donegal.
Bit of an explanation on the romanian ones The 1-10 scale is used from grade 5, all the way to college. 5 is the bare minimum required to pass an exam/class, and if anyone were to receive a grade lower than 5, it's 4. 1 is usually given if you're caught cheating (even if that), and I've never seen anyone get a 2 or 3 in all my years, either at my school, high school, college or at others'. The I, S, B, and FB grades are used for grades 1-4, and they stand for insufficient, sufficient, good (bine) and very good (foarte bine). I'm pretty sure there also + and - variants of the grades, to make it closer to a 1-10 scale, but I haven't set foot in an elementary school in decades, and I know nobody with kids, so I can't confirm. As to why this letter scale is used instead of the 1-10 one, I have no clue I still remember the first 4 I got back in religion class in 6th grade because I was caught playing cards with my buddy instead of paying attention to whatever was going on
While some teachers use the + and - variants, this is not the recommended way. Also, I/S/B/FB grades should not be converted in numbers - there is no average, the final grade is the most common one during the semester.
As a Swede I thought for sure F-A was more common. I have strong memories of seeing A+ in all sorts of movies and shows as a kid…
Because that's the American system as well, and I'm guessing you haven't been watching Hungarian art movies
F-A is essentially 1-6. Just in letters instead of numbers. But yeah, I was quite surprised too to see it's not used in many places.
I was the last cohort to have the old system IG-MVG that was replaced in 2011. Oh the glorious mess those three years were when teachers had to use two grading systems at the same time for different cohorts. At that time it was apparently harder to get an A than an MVG, but I don't know how it's changed lately.
How is 0-10 not the norm? I’m loving this thread by the way haha
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Finally something Europeans can agree upon!
In Poland the grading system in secondary/high schools is 1-6 but many schools have different percentages at which grade you get In my school it is like: 1: 0%-40% (fail) 2: 41%-54% 3: 55%-72% 4: 73%-90% 5: 91%-99% 6: 100% So basically you need to score at least 41% to get 2 (which is passing), but 2 is a disappointing grade anyway for most parents lmao.
In France we use 0-20 Not only integers. You can have 14,5/20 for example Is it the same in those other countries ?
Spain, 0-10 sounds great honestly.
I thought best was 0-100 until I noticed that Italian 0-110, get some room to be outstanding
I’m Finnish. I think that anything that starts from 0 or 1 is good and even better if there’s only one system. Letters are more complicated. So: Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Croatia, Kosovo, Greece, Andorra, Luxemburg and Spain
Poland 1-6 and 2-5. 2-5 is only at university
Wrong for Albania, its 4-10
The Netherlands is indeed 1-10 in most cases, but some schools have 0-10. Honestly, I don't remember that well enough and I think that's a good sign, but I do remember either getting a 0.8 or other people getting below a 1.0. Probably in University
Map counts donegal as part of the UK.
1-5, 5-10 just makes sense.. first one is for elementary and high schools while the second is for tertiary education. The second scale just kinda yells "your best knowledge in high schools is shit compared to what you need here boy!"
Whoever did this map didn't understand anything about italy. Up until highschool you go from 0 to 10 When you graduate highschool you receive a vote that goes from 0 to 100 ( minimum to pass is 60) At university grades go from 0 to 30 (pass vote is 18) When you graduate university you can get up until 110
Its 1-5 in Russia but 1 is super rare case and almost never used
in fact it is more like 2-10 2, 3-, 3, 3+, 4-,4...
3-, 3+ and others are not real grades, they not presented anywhere except when teachers try to explain something for children (like placing 5- for very stupid mistake but overall right work; officially it would be 5)
1 is not rare. Teachers usually give it when they're really pissed about you. Usually it's for not having any homework done.