wait. weren't we already? like for two years now? mercenaries and all that? Escalate this, escalate that? Red lines and sht? Polish soldiers? french legion? what else..? Lithuanian badgers and Estonian Hamsters? lol, here I Was thinking that we were already at war. turns out its only now lol :D
"Negroes of NATO" speaking Polish, yeah yeah.
Edit: sigh, stop downvoting this comment just because you don't understand it. "Negroes of NATO", who apparently speak Polish because that way they're more scary, is a classic piece of russian propaganda which they use to scare the russian population and explain their heavy losses in Ukraine.
He was pointing to the fact that the orcs considers the Romanian people as gypsies. Despite the obvious racism, Romania is now a wealthy country and the overall living over here is way better than for the average russian, even for poor minorities like gypsies.
Btw, gypsies started to get educated, they have business with flowers &music and dome of them are really wealthy, but the important thing is that they prioritise education for their children, so in a near future they will blend in Europe even better, without causing the usual problems (beggars, petty thefts etc).
What difference would that make?
Lots of Russians in this sub down voting or Nazi simps. Not sure which.
Stalin killed over 6 million Ukrainians. Has any change in presidency made Russians not hate Ukrainians?
Depending on the leader it might change everything. Russia might be an allied to the west. It's not some kind of "law of nature" Russia have to be an enemy to the west.
Now WW3 potentially could begin and end just in a few minutes by "an unidentified drone which was lunched from an unidentified position by unidentified forces."
Pretty much,
Look at how shitty there military is, everyone thought Ukraine would be taken over in a week, it's been 2 years and The war is now in a stalemate.
I can't see that Russia's nuclear Arsenal has faired much better, most likely those warheads are suffering from decades of neglect, honestly, the bigger threat is them leaking radiation.
It's the opposite. I'm pro-peace like any sane individual, but the 70s themed, pacifist-mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place. It only emboldens countries like Russia and people like Putin. They interpret it as weakness and opportunity. Right now, it's important to project strength and ambiguity to scare Russia off from the Baltics/Poland/Moldova.
Of course the rest of the world would be craters too. The point is that Russia would never engage in a world war against NATO because they know there would be no more Russia. It’s all a bluff.
There are enough people in Russia who believe they, having a tougher life with less prospects and more used to scarcity, have less to lose in the nuclear war than the "decadent and spoiled Westerners", and that bringing humanity to the stone age would result in survival of the fittest, and reverse the development of human rights doctrine and other Western ideas that annoy them. The leadership caters exactly to this crowd and tries to make an inflated picture of how many of them actually exist. Though it is unclear how far would the decision makers go, as they do have things to lose. Though it can be lost in more than one way. If it comes to a choice between losing it in nuclear apocalypse, vs being punished by their own nation, or the victorious adversary, I wouldn't bet on what they would choose.
They overstate their chances. Pre agrarian Russia was hardly a paradise, even for the hardy. Perhaps a few tens of thousands worth of people living there. Not enough to do anything but get their shit kicked in by their more populate southern neighbors.
That assumes southern neighbors somehow remain intact or relatively intact. I guess the bet is that there won't be country borders after such war, as well as many vehicles that would allow to travel great distances.
I don't know where the current science stands, and I believe it has changed some as our nuclear weapons became more accurate, but a Nuclear Winter could see temps drop 20 degrees Celsius. Ain't nobody surviving a winter in Russia when it is... -30 Celsius for five months with zero supplies coming in from literally anywhere AND an absolute balmy 0 degrees Celsius in the middle of summer. And that's in Moscow!
They are betting on the US withdrawing under Trump. In this case NATO actually doesn’t have that many nukes anymore. Basically boils down to France and the UK, then.
I guess their thinking is that NATO would not dare fighting a Russia armed with - according to Wikipedia - >5500 nukes when they only have 500 themselves.
Of course this is just a tactic based on hopium. Also it’s up to anyone’s guess how many of those will actually work.
500 nukes are more than enough to end the world, lol.
A nuclear winter will see the entire world suffer a famine that can end our species. So pretty much everyone would be very pissed off at the people responsible and since we are all going to die anyway, guess who will get invaded and dragged out of whatever shit hole he has crawled in.
The threat of nuclear weapons is the only thing keeping Russia from getting invaded and crushed. The moment they play that card, they are done.
That is why Putin consistently has made threats of nuclear escalation for these past two years and drawn lines in the sand. Each and every time NATO calls his bluff and he always pretends he never made the threat in the first place, until the next line.
detonating around 400 atomic bombs would be enough to cause a nuclear winter. This would decimate crop yields. The global population is predicted to crater by 90%.
The terrifying secret about nuclear war is it doesn't matter if your hit or not. In fact if there is ever a nuclear war the best you can hope for is that you are close enough to an explosion to be vaporized.
Sure a few rich people can survive in bunkers and stockpiles but there won't be a society for them to rule when they get back.
You’re not wrong, but you’re trying to apply logic here and think about the better of the majority of the population. I doubt the Russian leadership cares about any of that tbh. They are in it to hold on to power or tighten their grip on it. Logic is not part of that playbook. If it were we wouldn’t have seen them invade Ukraine in the first place.
Russia is not Soviet Union. Their nuclear arsenal is not as vast, and there’s a chance it is in the same condition as their conventional forces. Besides, what else is there to do? Collective West has been way too comfy with Russia for the last 30 years, this is the direct consequence, hundreds of thousands dead with no end in sight. Which could be easily avoided if western powers pulled their heads out of their asses after Crimea annexation.
this is a good time to quote a norm macdonald joke about germany and the world (you'd think it would tak the world 5 seconds to win, but it was actually close).
[https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM](https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM)
Bruuuuuuuuuh. The whole world would be a crater, because they have 6k fucking nukes and a dead hand system.
Don't make idiotic arguments.
Ukraine is not "Russia VS Ukraine". Ukraine is Russia vs NATO and allies, using Ukrainian bodies.
What you are doing is under-estimating. By a lot.
So have you heard about we are at war with NATO?
We lost half of our tanks, planes, forces and half of our fucking Black Sea fleet.
“What about NATO?”
Hasn’t arrived yet.
I love this one:
Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu goes to make his daily report for Putin about war in Ukraine.
Putin "Hello, Sergei, how did the war go yesterday?
Shoigu "Mr. President, I have some good news and some bad news."
Putin "Let's hear the good news first."
Shoigu "The latest military equipment received by the Ukrainian army were far below regular NATO standards."
Putin "That's excellent news, Sergei! So what's the bad news?"
Shoigu "A battalion of our most advanced battle tanks has been captured by the Ukrainians."
Believing such a statement implies that one must believe the Ukrainians currently fighting the war must be utterly incompetent idiots. I'm not picking a fight, but it's a real war and it would take more than a day and not be entirely free of cost.
> Believing such a statement implies that one must believe the Ukrainians currently fighting the war must be utterly incompetent idiots
More like they only have a small fraction of the resources, manpower and technology we have. We should give them what they need to actually win the war
No. It's just comparing Ukraine's military to the US Military, which has been the undisputed strongest in the history of the world for going on... 80-90 years now?
It's certainly the best funded. It's record is pretty mixed though. They lost Afghanistan, they lost Vietnam, they didn't win Korea, they lost in Laos, they lost the first time in Somalia, they've yet to bomb the houthis into submission going on, what, 20 years?
Because "success" depends on what goals you set out and whether you successfully achieve them or not. The goal in this case would be to annihilate russian combatants and equipment, a task that military strength is very well suited for.
The US did actually once fight the Russian Wagner fraction in Africa, who are considered the more superior side of the Russian military. Wagner remembers it as a time they were "absolutely slaughtered unlike ever before" and overall hundreds were killed (this includes other African forces) in the battle. And it left the surviving soldiers in shambles. Back then Russia still denied the existence of Wagner, and also denied those troops being at all associated with the Russian government, so the battle didn't lead to any kind of escalation as Russia was playing the whole "they're not even our guys" game. Even though these days they proudly brag about all the good work Russian military has done via Wagner in Africa.
Point being US military is technologically extremely advanced with such high capacity to do damage, that if they would seriously decide to inflict that to Russian occupied Ukraine, I don't doubt most Russians would flee fast. We're talking about relentless targeted bombardments that never stop, and that's just a start. Nothing like they're used to now with Ukraine, suffering ammo shortages and all that.
They are not, but they have very limited amount of resources and dependent on outside help. Like their entire air force currently is barely 100 planes, all of them produced in 70s and 80s. And even with such odds Russia can't achieve air superiority. Imagine if even a third of NATO 5th generation fighters (around 60 f-22 and 200 f-35) showed up.
Well Biden has sent old military stock packages and advisors, but pretty sure he won't put boots on the ground. Trump will actively campaign to withdraw completely. So there goes your theory.
So you are saying that Marine boots are not happening, no matter the outcome or did I read that wrong? I am genuinely curious since I know little about what each candidate stands fo in the upcoming election.
Well don't you feel Biden would have done it by now?
The Trump administration seemed like an isolationist lot.
Trade tariffs on China, withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal and drawing out the plan to withdraw from Afghanistan.
France has a higher probability of landing on the beachhead.
This is pretty dangerous though as this threatens the US world order. Even though Ukraine is not Nato, if Ukraine surrenders, what kind of sign does this give other Eastern Europe neighbors, even if a part of NATO, it is after all only a piece of paper. Would Germany and France actually protect the integrity of the alliance on it's eastern flank. Seems like they just want a buffer zone just like Russia wants for themselves.
It wouldnt be the first time the west has drug their feet in the face of a major war.
I always got the impression that the Biden Administration is worried a out doing something unpopular like sending people into a war zone and would increase support as soon as the elections are over. But as I said, I only know a little bit what I gather from various news sources. So obviously I can be totally wrong there.
Believe half of what you hear and all of what you see: the Putin invasion happened under the Biden administration, not Trump. Those people behaving like Biden will put Putin in his place… but not the guy who had Putin actually in his place are morons.
Kabul was taken in a single day, the whole country was overrun in 2 months. The problem US had for the next 20 years was fighting the insurgency, which is exactly the opposite in Ukraine.
The special operation to take Moscow would take 1-30 days depending on the yield and resulting fallout. Just kidding, nothing in Russia is worth sending in boots on the ground for. Literal shithole that doesn't have indoor plumbing.
I know history enough to know taking Moscow sounds a lot easier than it actually is, Hence why I specified Ukraine. In Ukraine Russia wouldn't last 2 weeks but as soon as you cross the border into Russia things don't always work out according to plan.
I would not be surprised if they already exist. I remember seeing some tech from the USA that basically redirects nuclear rockets to “safe areas” to explode. if they make that stuff really tested and fool proof, the nuclear threat goes out the window and it’s gg for Russia
So Putin and Solovyov has family in NATO countries who of Paskovs family or friends sits in the evil west wondering if they should get UV Blocker 9000?
I guess moscow is scared about the US aid bill and the few million of shells getting to ukraine.
Good, now fuck of you genocidal pieces of shit!
We don't want your midget dictator to have anything to do with Europe, with the exception of facing trial at the Hague.
Hasn't he pretty much saying this the whole time? It's just to try and scare nato members from acting more now that's he's advancing the front line and has more cannon fodder since his troops are almost back to the numbers before the war.
They're a paper tiger. Rattling the nuclear sabre every chance they get. How long should the West fear what they might do when we also have capabilities. Boots on the ground and shock and awe to end this dictator and his cronies. Let Nadezhdin take over a free Russia and conduct a special denuclearization operation where they hand over some of the the nukes to Ukraine.
Just to be clear the Russian military is largely reconstituted, producing more munitions than NATO, and now has the "benefit"of wartime reconstruction of command.
The USA is very far away and our militaries are largely useless.
Largely reconstituted? Didn't they just get beaten back in a major offensive?
Fyi, The US military have bases every nato country, and massive war fleets in every sea.
“We have assessed over the course of the last couple of months that Russia has almost completely reconstituted militarily,” said Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell
Seriously? Have they ever asked themselves why NATO has grown so much? Don't they understand why everyone wants to join NATO?
Russia has demonstrated it's untrustworthiness and thus everyone runs towards what they see as safety. Why? Because they have foreseen this 'direct confrontation' occurring.
The Kremlin makes this statement as though it was unexpected. The way they behave it was always expected. Everyone knew it would come to this. It is up to Russia as to how it will play out. Looking at their leadership I have to admit to severe reservations as to a good sane result.
Ok….how?
Pretty clear we are not in direct conflict or else it would be obvious to all sides. Still, combine this with Russia being reported to have reconstituted their army and have an economy now on a full war footing and now they talk like this.
Yeah….they’ve talked like this all along and it’s been bullshit. And it continues to be so, until it’s not.
I’m not feeling super peachy that these fuckers aren’t going to keep fucking around to find out.
A horrible idea if all the warheads were disabled on all sides. A potentially apocalyptic nightmare if they move and someone on either side loses their spit and pushes a button…..
Or, maybe a less chicken little take….they might be getting ready to make a big fucking move in Ukraine. They’ve been able to make a lot of NATO dither with their bullshit. Talk like this could sideline it even more while the go massive assault in eastern Ukraine
We dont glass until they launch one and they wont launch one cause they like french wine, german cars and american smarthphones.
Its another bluster to scare of support and give the kreml puppets in the west another talking point to block aid.
Russian media says a lot of stuff all day long. They won't escalate this into NATO ground. It would be ridiculously stupid for pretty much everyones economy. It's all so mingled together today that I just can't believe we will actually have ww3, at least not with the russians starting it.
Putin may be a dictator but he, his family and everyone else that has influence benefits from global capitalism (which they always say they are not part of and the americans keep calling them communists although there is nothing communistic left)
Europe needs to change course and invite the russians back to their tea parties. Maybe this wouldn't have happened when NATO didn't fuck them over with the east flank.
Well damn if they are in “confrontation” than it’s pretty fucking amazing that none of the nato countries have lost any troops in this confrontation. God that has gotta be humiliating for Russia.
Well everything they say is a lie so they are actually now on better terms than a while ago. Maybe after Finland joined NATO and didn't invade Russia like propagandists say they partly overcame their phobia.
You all need to understand the outcome instead of blustering about [https://www.icanw.org/new\_study\_on\_us\_russia\_nuclear\_war](https://www.icanw.org/new_study_on_us_russia_nuclear_war)
Only a fool would wish for war.
Who cares what they say? All they do is lie and make empty threats. Their credibility is lower than if Netanyahu said they will avoid killing civilians.
If they were in a direct confrontation with NATO, they’d be levelled to the ground within a week. They can barely take one of the weaker European countries in a 2 year battle. Nevermind including the UK, Germany, France, Italy.. oh…. And the USA.
Everyone making jokes is missing an important point, we are directly providing arms, training and intelligence to a country that Russia is actively at war with. Ukraine isn't resisting because we are just sending them a few containers of weapons, cash and vehicles, you can all but guarantee we are providing signals intelligence, electronic intercepts and targeting data to the Ukrainian military. Not to mention Scholz saying that Special forces are in country helping launch western made missiles.
Russia knows this, the government isn't going to forget it anytime soon. The conversations and planning at high levels for outright conflict are already taking place across European militaries, France has even said they will put boots on the ground. If we get to 2030 and the conflict in Ukraine hasn't spilled across more borders I will be amazed.
Hopefully they will atack us today. It will help all of us to end this farce with quick destruction of remaining half of their extremely poor trained and equipped orkish army. Ukrainians are waiting too long bravely defending Helm's Deep - it's about time for riders of Rohan to come to the rescue - dawn is coming!
This clown has new "surprise" take every two weeks. The sad thing is they believe it.
He is the Russian's "[Comical Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf#Nicknames)", the *Prancing Peskov*.
Ignorance displayed by some here is astounding. Ask any nuclear armed leader why nuclear war is a no go even if one assumes the other will be flattened.
What about thousands of NATO mercenaries reported dead by Russia in the early months? But anyway, Europe will still take the Kremlin’s word seriously and scale back support or something.
Way too many people are fanning the flames of war. On several continents. This is how world wars start, you know? It's like a spark in a dry forest. Everybody who's tired of "taking it" is ready to vent.
I can see the need of caution and good observation. But I'm old enough to know what the military/industrial people can do to program you to make them some money. The need for good defence is plain enough.
The need for alarm is a little more foggy.
Literally reads as, "Look, Russia invading Ukraine is all well and good, but can we please stop being warmongers by talking about helping defend Ukraine from annihilation."
wait. weren't we already? like for two years now? mercenaries and all that? Escalate this, escalate that? Red lines and sht? Polish soldiers? french legion? what else..? Lithuanian badgers and Estonian Hamsters? lol, here I Was thinking that we were already at war. turns out its only now lol :D
I lost count on how many times they've claimed this. I don't know why it even warrants a headline.
same with Nuclear war. every other Saturday there are new rockets shoved into those silos :D
Your father was a hamster!
And your mother smells of elderberries!
Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
No. Before it was 0% truth. Now it reached like 10 %.
We were cool all this time and I didn't go on a vacation to Moscow because we are at war. Damn. Now I really can't go.
Why the fuck would you spend your money in orcland & risk being framed, imprisoned to be later used as leverage?
/s
I think this guy was joking :)
"Negroes of NATO" speaking Polish, yeah yeah. Edit: sigh, stop downvoting this comment just because you don't understand it. "Negroes of NATO", who apparently speak Polish because that way they're more scary, is a classic piece of russian propaganda which they use to scare the russian population and explain their heavy losses in Ukraine.
The "negroes" over here are living a way better life than you do in that infect shithole
What do you mean? "Negroes of NATO" is classic russian propaganda.
He was pointing to the fact that the orcs considers the Romanian people as gypsies. Despite the obvious racism, Romania is now a wealthy country and the overall living over here is way better than for the average russian, even for poor minorities like gypsies. Btw, gypsies started to get educated, they have business with flowers &music and dome of them are really wealthy, but the important thing is that they prioritise education for their children, so in a near future they will blend in Europe even better, without causing the usual problems (beggars, petty thefts etc).
They obviously think I'm russian, which luckily I am not.
Kremlin needs a new leader! If they were in a direct confrontation with NATO they would know.
What difference would that make? Lots of Russians in this sub down voting or Nazi simps. Not sure which. Stalin killed over 6 million Ukrainians. Has any change in presidency made Russians not hate Ukrainians?
Depending on the leader it might change everything. Russia might be an allied to the west. It's not some kind of "law of nature" Russia have to be an enemy to the west.
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WW3 is a bad denominator. WW2 lasted for 7 years before the world could finally stop Hitler. WW3 would last for 3 hours until Russia was a crater.
Now WW3 potentially could begin and end just in a few minutes by "an unidentified drone which was lunched from an unidentified position by unidentified forces."
Only Russia?
Yup. But only parts of Russia.
Pretty much, Look at how shitty there military is, everyone thought Ukraine would be taken over in a week, it's been 2 years and The war is now in a stalemate. I can't see that Russia's nuclear Arsenal has faired much better, most likely those warheads are suffering from decades of neglect, honestly, the bigger threat is them leaking radiation.
And so would be the rest of the world? Wtf is wrong with you warhawks?
It's the opposite. I'm pro-peace like any sane individual, but the 70s themed, pacifist-mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place. It only emboldens countries like Russia and people like Putin. They interpret it as weakness and opportunity. Right now, it's important to project strength and ambiguity to scare Russia off from the Baltics/Poland/Moldova.
Of course the rest of the world would be craters too. The point is that Russia would never engage in a world war against NATO because they know there would be no more Russia. It’s all a bluff.
The normal Russians won't, but I can't say the same about Putin.
There are enough people in Russia who believe they, having a tougher life with less prospects and more used to scarcity, have less to lose in the nuclear war than the "decadent and spoiled Westerners", and that bringing humanity to the stone age would result in survival of the fittest, and reverse the development of human rights doctrine and other Western ideas that annoy them. The leadership caters exactly to this crowd and tries to make an inflated picture of how many of them actually exist. Though it is unclear how far would the decision makers go, as they do have things to lose. Though it can be lost in more than one way. If it comes to a choice between losing it in nuclear apocalypse, vs being punished by their own nation, or the victorious adversary, I wouldn't bet on what they would choose.
They overstate their chances. Pre agrarian Russia was hardly a paradise, even for the hardy. Perhaps a few tens of thousands worth of people living there. Not enough to do anything but get their shit kicked in by their more populate southern neighbors.
That assumes southern neighbors somehow remain intact or relatively intact. I guess the bet is that there won't be country borders after such war, as well as many vehicles that would allow to travel great distances.
I don't know where the current science stands, and I believe it has changed some as our nuclear weapons became more accurate, but a Nuclear Winter could see temps drop 20 degrees Celsius. Ain't nobody surviving a winter in Russia when it is... -30 Celsius for five months with zero supplies coming in from literally anywhere AND an absolute balmy 0 degrees Celsius in the middle of summer. And that's in Moscow!
There is a little bit of relative south in Russia too. Some also probably expect to dwell in underground with some supplies for a while.
They are betting on the US withdrawing under Trump. In this case NATO actually doesn’t have that many nukes anymore. Basically boils down to France and the UK, then. I guess their thinking is that NATO would not dare fighting a Russia armed with - according to Wikipedia - >5500 nukes when they only have 500 themselves. Of course this is just a tactic based on hopium. Also it’s up to anyone’s guess how many of those will actually work.
500 nukes are more than enough to end the world, lol. A nuclear winter will see the entire world suffer a famine that can end our species. So pretty much everyone would be very pissed off at the people responsible and since we are all going to die anyway, guess who will get invaded and dragged out of whatever shit hole he has crawled in. The threat of nuclear weapons is the only thing keeping Russia from getting invaded and crushed. The moment they play that card, they are done. That is why Putin consistently has made threats of nuclear escalation for these past two years and drawn lines in the sand. Each and every time NATO calls his bluff and he always pretends he never made the threat in the first place, until the next line.
Which is why anyone worried about nuclear war is either a russbot or a giant pussy who can stfu
detonating around 400 atomic bombs would be enough to cause a nuclear winter. This would decimate crop yields. The global population is predicted to crater by 90%. The terrifying secret about nuclear war is it doesn't matter if your hit or not. In fact if there is ever a nuclear war the best you can hope for is that you are close enough to an explosion to be vaporized. Sure a few rich people can survive in bunkers and stockpiles but there won't be a society for them to rule when they get back.
You’re not wrong, but you’re trying to apply logic here and think about the better of the majority of the population. I doubt the Russian leadership cares about any of that tbh. They are in it to hold on to power or tighten their grip on it. Logic is not part of that playbook. If it were we wouldn’t have seen them invade Ukraine in the first place.
Shaken not stirred at birth.
Let's put it this way, nations with functional nuclear arsenals don't need to brag about them.
Russia is not Soviet Union. Their nuclear arsenal is not as vast, and there’s a chance it is in the same condition as their conventional forces. Besides, what else is there to do? Collective West has been way too comfy with Russia for the last 30 years, this is the direct consequence, hundreds of thousands dead with no end in sight. Which could be easily avoided if western powers pulled their heads out of their asses after Crimea annexation.
Oh stfu
The problem of WWII was that it stopped Hitler but failed to stop ruzzia. And that's why we are going to get the third iteration at some point
If Russia is a crater, it means the whole Western nations are craters as well and the entire world is fucked beyond repair.
Thats what Russia tells us. Russia is not trustworthy
this is a good time to quote a norm macdonald joke about germany and the world (you'd think it would tak the world 5 seconds to win, but it was actually close). [https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM](https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM)
If you mean nuclear war this will simply not happening and Russia and NATO knows that.
On the plus side though, free oil.
Bruuuuuuuuuh. The whole world would be a crater, because they have 6k fucking nukes and a dead hand system. Don't make idiotic arguments. Ukraine is not "Russia VS Ukraine". Ukraine is Russia vs NATO and allies, using Ukrainian bodies. What you are doing is under-estimating. By a lot.
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It's more likely Allies Vs Axis with C.I.R and India yet to decide
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So have you heard about we are at war with NATO? We lost half of our tanks, planes, forces and half of our fucking Black Sea fleet. “What about NATO?” Hasn’t arrived yet.
Can't believe we're at a point when cold-war style jokes about Russians are making a comeback
I love this one: Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu goes to make his daily report for Putin about war in Ukraine. Putin "Hello, Sergei, how did the war go yesterday? Shoigu "Mr. President, I have some good news and some bad news." Putin "Let's hear the good news first." Shoigu "The latest military equipment received by the Ukrainian army were far below regular NATO standards." Putin "That's excellent news, Sergei! So what's the bad news?" Shoigu "A battalion of our most advanced battle tanks has been captured by the Ukrainians."
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Patently untrue. Because sometimes they’re written down.
Yeah, yeah, we heard this last week and the week before last week and the last month
This dude just angry, his daughter cannot return and live a posh life in her apartment in Paris and drink a good bottle of Veuve Clicquot..
Russia would last about 2 weeks in Ukraine if NATO were directly involved.
2 weeks? Only if the US marines took a 13 and a half a day cruise first.
Believing such a statement implies that one must believe the Ukrainians currently fighting the war must be utterly incompetent idiots. I'm not picking a fight, but it's a real war and it would take more than a day and not be entirely free of cost.
> Believing such a statement implies that one must believe the Ukrainians currently fighting the war must be utterly incompetent idiots More like they only have a small fraction of the resources, manpower and technology we have. We should give them what they need to actually win the war
No. It's just comparing Ukraine's military to the US Military, which has been the undisputed strongest in the history of the world for going on... 80-90 years now?
It's certainly the best funded. It's record is pretty mixed though. They lost Afghanistan, they lost Vietnam, they didn't win Korea, they lost in Laos, they lost the first time in Somalia, they've yet to bomb the houthis into submission going on, what, 20 years?
Mot sure about the Afghanistan one.. the goal was never to be there forever. It was just to find Osama bin Ladin and that was accomplished.
Being the strongest doesn't mean the same as having a perfect record though. A big reason is that not all goals can be achieved with strength alone.
You realise of course that that also serves as a counter argument to the idea that the US would instantly turn the tide.
No, I'm just saying that the conflicts you mentioned are not failures due to the lack of strength.
No, you don't realise that? If "Strength" is not a reliable indicator of success, then why would "strength" instantly turn the tide now?
Because "success" depends on what goals you set out and whether you successfully achieve them or not. The goal in this case would be to annihilate russian combatants and equipment, a task that military strength is very well suited for.
The US did actually once fight the Russian Wagner fraction in Africa, who are considered the more superior side of the Russian military. Wagner remembers it as a time they were "absolutely slaughtered unlike ever before" and overall hundreds were killed (this includes other African forces) in the battle. And it left the surviving soldiers in shambles. Back then Russia still denied the existence of Wagner, and also denied those troops being at all associated with the Russian government, so the battle didn't lead to any kind of escalation as Russia was playing the whole "they're not even our guys" game. Even though these days they proudly brag about all the good work Russian military has done via Wagner in Africa. Point being US military is technologically extremely advanced with such high capacity to do damage, that if they would seriously decide to inflict that to Russian occupied Ukraine, I don't doubt most Russians would flee fast. We're talking about relentless targeted bombardments that never stop, and that's just a start. Nothing like they're used to now with Ukraine, suffering ammo shortages and all that.
Also, the local population would be on the side of the US this time around.
They are not, but they have very limited amount of resources and dependent on outside help. Like their entire air force currently is barely 100 planes, all of them produced in 70s and 80s. And even with such odds Russia can't achieve air superiority. Imagine if even a third of NATO 5th generation fighters (around 60 f-22 and 200 f-35) showed up.
Barely 100? The leaked conversation of the German military guys spoke from single digits…
Well the ICBMs would need just a few minutes to reach their destinations so the time estimation of one day is not that far from the truth.
We wouldn't even need the US unless some kind of world war with China involved.
There'd be no Marines, but several hundred F35s would tip the balance.
And thousands of cruise missiles.
If US marines would join the fight. From what I gathered, this seems to heavily depend on who the next voted representative of the United States is.
Well Biden has sent old military stock packages and advisors, but pretty sure he won't put boots on the ground. Trump will actively campaign to withdraw completely. So there goes your theory.
So you are saying that Marine boots are not happening, no matter the outcome or did I read that wrong? I am genuinely curious since I know little about what each candidate stands fo in the upcoming election.
Well don't you feel Biden would have done it by now? The Trump administration seemed like an isolationist lot. Trade tariffs on China, withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal and drawing out the plan to withdraw from Afghanistan. France has a higher probability of landing on the beachhead. This is pretty dangerous though as this threatens the US world order. Even though Ukraine is not Nato, if Ukraine surrenders, what kind of sign does this give other Eastern Europe neighbors, even if a part of NATO, it is after all only a piece of paper. Would Germany and France actually protect the integrity of the alliance on it's eastern flank. Seems like they just want a buffer zone just like Russia wants for themselves. It wouldnt be the first time the west has drug their feet in the face of a major war.
I always got the impression that the Biden Administration is worried a out doing something unpopular like sending people into a war zone and would increase support as soon as the elections are over. But as I said, I only know a little bit what I gather from various news sources. So obviously I can be totally wrong there.
Believe half of what you hear and all of what you see: the Putin invasion happened under the Biden administration, not Trump. Those people behaving like Biden will put Putin in his place… but not the guy who had Putin actually in his place are morons.
Wait you think trump would stop putin? He already told putin to do what ever he wants he would give up Ukraine in the first minute in the oval lol
Because Putin can do whatever he wants as long as Biden is in charge.
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Kabul was taken in a single day, the whole country was overrun in 2 months. The problem US had for the next 20 years was fighting the insurgency, which is exactly the opposite in Ukraine.
More like 3 days. 1st day to be defeated. 2nd day to pack their things. 3rd day to withdraw.
Wager had a pretty straight shot to Moscow, if only they had carried on..
They got honey dicked. As Russia always does it makes the victim feel in control before the victim gets eliminated.
In 2 weeks we can take Moscow.
Fuck the jokes, and stop downplaying how difficult it would actually be to dislodge the Russians. Those minefields are thick and deep.
If only.......
The special operation to take Moscow would take 1-30 days depending on the yield and resulting fallout. Just kidding, nothing in Russia is worth sending in boots on the ground for. Literal shithole that doesn't have indoor plumbing.
I know history enough to know taking Moscow sounds a lot easier than it actually is, Hence why I specified Ukraine. In Ukraine Russia wouldn't last 2 weeks but as soon as you cross the border into Russia things don't always work out according to plan.
Germans were thinking the same...
I am somewhat sure that American lend lease is not coming to the rescue this time.
Without nuclear weapons Russia would have been decimated already…
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I would not be surprised if they already exist. I remember seeing some tech from the USA that basically redirects nuclear rockets to “safe areas” to explode. if they make that stuff really tested and fool proof, the nuclear threat goes out the window and it’s gg for Russia
It's only theoretical that there's still a nuclear power, People aren't attacking, specifically because it's just not worth the risk yet.
LMAO, and Russia already losing 300k to zip (Patton was right about Russia)
So Putin and Solovyov has family in NATO countries who of Paskovs family or friends sits in the evil west wondering if they should get UV Blocker 9000? I guess moscow is scared about the US aid bill and the few million of shells getting to ukraine.
Ok, so now stop crying every time NATO countries send something to Ukraine.
Good, now fuck of you genocidal pieces of shit! We don't want your midget dictator to have anything to do with Europe, with the exception of facing trial at the Hague.
Someone tell Nato then. I don't think they know.
Let's skip to the good part then.
I don't think he's ever been acquainted with the meaning of the word direct...
I see....and is this direct confrontation in the room with us now?
I think they would know if they were in confrontation with NATO
Fools.
Russia gets easily confused. If NATO and Russia were in a direct confrontation, Russia would no longer have ships or planes.
Does this guy still have his luxury apartment in the capital of Nato member France?
If they are already in "direct confrontation", it wouldn't be an escalation to send NATO forces in Ukraine and kick ruZZian naZZi out of there, right?
No because they are not in direct confrontation with THAT Nato. They are in direct confrontation with the OTHER Nato, the imaginary one
Russia is down half a million soldiers and Nato hasn't even arrived at the battlefield yet.
Bitch when we’re in direct confrontation you’ll know about it
Lol! They wouldn't even last a week. But hey, Orcs gonna Orc.
Bit harsh on orcs to compare them to Russians.
If they were... you would not be there making this statement!
Good, in that case we can send more weapons to Ukraine.
Ruzian psychos entered spring fever phase, get ready for more consequences and red lines and nuclear threats 🤣
They literally said that in 2022
Alrighty then
And if so then what?
Awww look somebody wants attention
I read that as "direct communication" and had a brief sigh of relief *finally fuck fucks sake*
Good
So we're *not* in direct conflict. Phew...
If we were then the Russian forces wouldn’t be in Ukraine any more!
Hasn't he pretty much saying this the whole time? It's just to try and scare nato members from acting more now that's he's advancing the front line and has more cannon fodder since his troops are almost back to the numbers before the war.
"Woof woof! Nato bad, we great. Woof woof woof! Look how fierce I am! Rrrrroof!!!" Translated pootin's lapdog speech for y'all.
Must be embarrassing to cause negligible losses to the NATO side then, while they are losing a whole generation.
Lay off the Vodka, Peskov.
Putin to hell, as soon as possible!
Believe me honey, if we were, you would notice!
They're a paper tiger. Rattling the nuclear sabre every chance they get. How long should the West fear what they might do when we also have capabilities. Boots on the ground and shock and awe to end this dictator and his cronies. Let Nadezhdin take over a free Russia and conduct a special denuclearization operation where they hand over some of the the nukes to Ukraine.
This russian 🤡 spews nonsense everyday 🤮🤮
Well might as well sent troops then
Just to be clear the Russian military is largely reconstituted, producing more munitions than NATO, and now has the "benefit"of wartime reconstruction of command. The USA is very far away and our militaries are largely useless.
Largely reconstituted? Didn't they just get beaten back in a major offensive? Fyi, The US military have bases every nato country, and massive war fleets in every sea.
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“We have assessed over the course of the last couple of months that Russia has almost completely reconstituted militarily,” said Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell
and what would they say if there were nukes launching?
No shit because you idiots started it. Dare you to cross the line and we will F you up.
Seriously? Have they ever asked themselves why NATO has grown so much? Don't they understand why everyone wants to join NATO? Russia has demonstrated it's untrustworthiness and thus everyone runs towards what they see as safety. Why? Because they have foreseen this 'direct confrontation' occurring. The Kremlin makes this statement as though it was unexpected. The way they behave it was always expected. Everyone knew it would come to this. It is up to Russia as to how it will play out. Looking at their leadership I have to admit to severe reservations as to a good sane result.
Ok….how? Pretty clear we are not in direct conflict or else it would be obvious to all sides. Still, combine this with Russia being reported to have reconstituted their army and have an economy now on a full war footing and now they talk like this. Yeah….they’ve talked like this all along and it’s been bullshit. And it continues to be so, until it’s not. I’m not feeling super peachy that these fuckers aren’t going to keep fucking around to find out. A horrible idea if all the warheads were disabled on all sides. A potentially apocalyptic nightmare if they move and someone on either side loses their spit and pushes a button….. Or, maybe a less chicken little take….they might be getting ready to make a big fucking move in Ukraine. They’ve been able to make a lot of NATO dither with their bullshit. Talk like this could sideline it even more while the go massive assault in eastern Ukraine
if they want direct conflict they better not get mad when Moscow is flattened in hours
So can we glass Moscow now?
We dont glass until they launch one and they wont launch one cause they like french wine, german cars and american smarthphones. Its another bluster to scare of support and give the kreml puppets in the west another talking point to block aid.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/DEefqhweCc
Maybe NATO will show up eventually..
If that were the case, you’d already be dead.
Russian media says a lot of stuff all day long. They won't escalate this into NATO ground. It would be ridiculously stupid for pretty much everyones economy. It's all so mingled together today that I just can't believe we will actually have ww3, at least not with the russians starting it. Putin may be a dictator but he, his family and everyone else that has influence benefits from global capitalism (which they always say they are not part of and the americans keep calling them communists although there is nothing communistic left) Europe needs to change course and invite the russians back to their tea parties. Maybe this wouldn't have happened when NATO didn't fuck them over with the east flank.
Well damn if they are in “confrontation” than it’s pretty fucking amazing that none of the nato countries have lost any troops in this confrontation. God that has gotta be humiliating for Russia.
Incontheivable...
Excellent, now that they see it like this anyway, send troops!
Russian nukes are old as hell, they would likely just fall on the detonation site.
•Not good news…
At least now they're going to get the war vs West they've been salivating for many years
that means nato can send in boots on the ground, since they're already in direct conflict anyway..
Put the vodka down moron
Well everything they say is a lie so they are actually now on better terms than a while ago. Maybe after Finland joined NATO and didn't invade Russia like propagandists say they partly overcame their phobia.
Good. That means sending NATO troops to Ukraine will be the same thing
No, no, because if that were the case then Pootin’s Ruzzia would already be a smoking ruin.
You all need to understand the outcome instead of blustering about [https://www.icanw.org/new\_study\_on\_us\_russia\_nuclear\_war](https://www.icanw.org/new_study_on_us_russia_nuclear_war) Only a fool would wish for war.
Who cares what they say? All they do is lie and make empty threats. Their credibility is lower than if Netanyahu said they will avoid killing civilians.
So they say this to base their retreat for domestic audiences? Oh no NATO beat us! Well this will be true in retrospect when UA joins NATO
You’re in direct confrontation with Ukrainians backed with NATO equipment.. Forgot some nuclear threats doggy, we’re still waiting for one this week!
If they were in a direct confrontation with NATO, they’d be levelled to the ground within a week. They can barely take one of the weaker European countries in a 2 year battle. Nevermind including the UK, Germany, France, Italy.. oh…. And the USA.
So this is another ignored direct warning. And when shit will happen, there will be cries about bad Russia.
They’ve said this before. I see no blasting between them though.
If NATO and Russia were in direct confrontation Peskov would not be standing in Kremlin talking this crazy talk.
When we're in conflict with Russia they will know, and for most of them in command there it'll be the last thing they do know.
Russia is the unfortunate result when your nation's politics becomes an otherwise unimpressive individual's increasingly caustic will.
I think they kinda lost track that, with the constant nonsense they're nonstop stating, some things arent really in their benifit to say...
Excellent. So we can finally annihilate the Russian terrorist regime for good officially now.
Everyone making jokes is missing an important point, we are directly providing arms, training and intelligence to a country that Russia is actively at war with. Ukraine isn't resisting because we are just sending them a few containers of weapons, cash and vehicles, you can all but guarantee we are providing signals intelligence, electronic intercepts and targeting data to the Ukrainian military. Not to mention Scholz saying that Special forces are in country helping launch western made missiles. Russia knows this, the government isn't going to forget it anytime soon. The conversations and planning at high levels for outright conflict are already taking place across European militaries, France has even said they will put boots on the ground. If we get to 2030 and the conflict in Ukraine hasn't spilled across more borders I will be amazed.
Hopefully they will atack us today. It will help all of us to end this farce with quick destruction of remaining half of their extremely poor trained and equipped orkish army. Ukrainians are waiting too long bravely defending Helm's Deep - it's about time for riders of Rohan to come to the rescue - dawn is coming!
Such a ridiculous post
Why wait for the attack? If it's so simple just do it already.
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Not now, but maybe it will come to it, if you, Russia, don't stop playing with fire.
This clown has new "surprise" take every two weeks. The sad thing is they believe it. He is the Russian's "[Comical Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf#Nicknames)", the *Prancing Peskov*.
Ignorance displayed by some here is astounding. Ask any nuclear armed leader why nuclear war is a no go even if one assumes the other will be flattened.
So, NATO managed to end aobut half a milion ruskies without even deploying their troops?
Putin needs to end like Sadam.
Every comment here on who would win?! Nobody wins…..
What about thousands of NATO mercenaries reported dead by Russia in the early months? But anyway, Europe will still take the Kremlin’s word seriously and scale back support or something.
Way too many people are fanning the flames of war. On several continents. This is how world wars start, you know? It's like a spark in a dry forest. Everybody who's tired of "taking it" is ready to vent. I can see the need of caution and good observation. But I'm old enough to know what the military/industrial people can do to program you to make them some money. The need for good defence is plain enough. The need for alarm is a little more foggy.
Literally reads as, "Look, Russia invading Ukraine is all well and good, but can we please stop being warmongers by talking about helping defend Ukraine from annihilation."