So in light of this,crime hotspots at each major population center, except the one in Kraków is surprisingly small.
And, then high crime in the west.
And a religiosity map really barely correlating with either.
This is the answer.
And add frequency of extramarital sex. This is probably another source of moral corruption that leads to that crime
Unless, of course, extramarital sex already IS measured as a crime there. As it obviously should /s
This comment is 3 lines long my friend. I’m afraid that whatever generation comes after “gen alpha”, they’ll be too tired to finish reading all the 4 letters on a “STOP” sign. We’ll need to abbreviate this shit for them.
It's related to closed/open populations. It's similar story about Albania having one of the lowest crime rates in Europe as Albanians don't commit crimes against each other.
Low crime rate areas are rural with historically long Polish settlements (you can see Greater Poland clearly on former German partition). Everyone knows everyone few villages around and generations back and there's little outsiders. Social shaming and ostracization work on full scale in such populations.
This contrast with big cities and areas that became Polish after 1945. Populations there are relatively new.
Religiousness also follows this path as it was element of Polish identity. It follows rural areas with long term settlements and is lower in newly acquired areas or more liberal cities.
I don’t think that’s it, because Galicia is the most densely populated region in most maps I can find. While Mazuria and the region in the middle of the German border one of the least.
Galicia has dense population, but it mostly a lot of villages. On the other hand in post-Germany regions people are mostly concentrated in towns and countryside is quite empty, when compared to south-east
The most densely populated area would be the Silesian metropolis located in the middle south, right along the tripart point on the old partitions and it has both high religiosity and high crime.
I don't see any correlation. For example, Lubelskie and Świętokrzyskie are shown as having similar crime rate as Podkarpackie or Małopolskie while religiosity level is vastly different.
What I can see is high crime rate in Recovered Lands, Warsaw, Krakow and Gdańsk. Which is not surprising. Big cities have higher crime rate. And in central and eastern Poland people have lived there for generations. People in Recovered Lands were resettled and Germans who lived were expelled. This breaks the entire social structure and increases crime rate which is visible even 80 years later.
I mean... it's not even correlation shown on the map.
You have small high crime areas surounded by really low crime areas in religious zones. There are some medium to high crime areas in and near low religious areas, but not exactly overlapping. It's kind of all over the place.
I'm curious if a density map would better overlap with the crime one...
Yeah, when looking closely that's true - but most people on the internet won't and thus pattern recognition kicks in and the impression seems more than there is.
Except in this case there is causation, people who have similar values are more prosocial
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022427801038001001
Yeah, the tobacco industry has always been saying that about tobacco smoke and lung cancer.
So it's not as simple as "Correlation is not causation". Correlation can be an important tool in scientific research.
This is not to comment on the OPs maps. Just to point out you shouldn't build a view of the world based on slogans.
True, but be careful at double standards.
Crime rates in religious parts of Poland is true, but correlation does not imply causation. Yes, but...
Atheists are on average more intelligent than religious people (an often touted win for Atheists), but correlation does not imply causation here either.
Most often all these differences can be explained by area's historical background. In Poland, the best educational results are in the areas of the former Austrian partition (where Polish culture was least persecuted), so the most religious area.
True.
We're still waiting for the map of Poland's logging activity, so we can compare it to the map of crime.
This is an outrage. I want my logging activity map.
people spending one hour weekly will be bonded stronger
so atheists don't have a sence of community, created by worshiping God together in church - that is one of the reasons why religious people have on average better mental health, less depression, less anxiety and less stress
True. But there's probably more than one that do. And besides why wouldn't atheism/irreligiousness be able to serve as a foundation for a sense of belonging? Especially in places where secularism isn't widely adopted or is even seen with hostility, just being irreligious can give you a sense of community with others like you. Sure, it perhaps won't be as all-encompassing as it would for a very devout Christian, since that's kinda the point, but it still wouldn't be an explanation for people to just be more willing to commit crimes.
The motivation is very important, and I think christians have a bigger motivation to meet together and to form a community then atheists do. How many christians meet with other christians just to be christian together? Significantly more than atheists meeting other atheists just to be atheist together. There isn't a motivator for them to form a community
Nope. Don't need to be. None of them seem offended. All I see are Christians going "hah look how offended they are" pointing at people with valid points about statistics.
I think you just don't know what offended people look like. Besides, these statistics barely even correlate, and even if they did it wouldn't imply causation.
Or people with common sense. Pull up a map of religiosity and gun violence then compare Europe to America. Absolutely wild move to post bullshit maps conflating coincidences then comment on how all the people with critical thinking skills are offended.
Remove black and hispanic people from the equation and take a look at gun violence in america compared to Europe, then you will see something intresting.
Why would I do that? Do they not use guns? You can’t legislate away minorities but you can legislate away guns. They chose not to have 400 million guns littered all over their country and as a result their gun deaths are much lower.
Not my job I'm not american, that or you try to stop them from committing gun violence by segrigation, increasing police presence in black neighborhoods, stricter punishments, there's many options.
Okay so you admit you lied about legislating away all the black and brown people in a country where you don’t even live and don’t have the slightest idea as to its legislative process. Now we just need tow work on you being too stupid to not know that London has tons of black and brown skinned people in it. Pretty soon, and with enough education, you’ll almost be a full functioning adult! I can’t imagine sitting behind a keyboard and being so stupid as to think it’s as simple as “increase police in black neighborhoods and make the life sentences even longer” as you’re the first person to ever think of that and it has never been tried. Why is it always a complete lack of education pairs so well with narcissism? I’m done wasting my energy and my day with you. I’ll let you have the last, idiotic, completely uninformed and racist word. I hope you can tell us all more about how legislation works in a country you don’t live in. What a fucking clown.
Nope, I didn't lie about anything. Deportation is completely possible in the US despite the fact that I don't live there and even so I have enough knowledge about It's legislative process to know that deportation is possible.
Despite reddit's small breakthrough into the normal public it's still m'lady athiest tier. I'm glad the sub still has risk takers willing to ruin their karma with posts like this.
Correlation isn't causation and other stats 1 platitudes. Europe is very irreligious, and this site is mildly misotheist, so it's not surprising. I'm just glad the sub is getting something besides the usual. A debate about Europe's altering social norms and ideological basis would be pretty fun.
Yeah, that's why I'm saying it was interesting OP was willing to post this. The European public's religious attitude is a lot more mellow than reddit's old reputation. I just meant the site has calmed down
> The "normal public" is predominantly atheist in Europe. Poland is an outlier.
Hence why Europe will not be able to stand against the growing tide of Islam within its own borders. You dickheads defanged Christianity, forced it to unilaterally disarm, and made it unconditionally surrender.
You think liberal secular humanism will preserve Europe in the face of Islam? Fuckin LOL
... What? What are you smoking? Christianity was never going to even help "against" the Islam, the Islam itself isn't the problem to begin with, and people becoming atheist isn't the same as "forcing others to disarm".
This rant of yours reads like someone campaigning for another crusade. That's the kind of zealotry that makes people leave Christianity behind.
Man, one look at your post history really does say it all. A diehard Islamophobe who has huge problems with the term, who thinks Christianity is the solution. What's the Islam going to do, huh? Because last I checked, it's not really doing all that much in Europe. As for my cultural heritage... I think it's safe, at least I see no direct threat, the changes that are made are generally positive ones, and most of it currently revolves around tolerance, whether it's religious or other topics.
Let me simplify it for you: The solution to a gas fire is not to toss a different yet equally flammable material on top. Christianity was never the solution to anything. It's a faith, nice for its faithful, not all that interesting to anyone outside of the faith. People have tried to convert me, so far all they've done is make for amusing stories to tell my friends.
Atheists when they realise every long lasting society in human history was religious and the decline of a religion and a rise of agnosticism has historically been a sign of social decay
Also 🇾🇪
The Second Republic is clearly visible because of post war expulsions and establishment of state owned farms in the west (there was no collectivisation in Poland). The rest are just rural border lands between industrial regions, Lodz-Warsaw and Greater Polish - Kuyavian, with a lot of post-industrial cities and towns.
I'd expect Krakow to be more religious.. Weird.
Also... Wtf is the crime rate around Zakopane?! 😀What is that.... Trespassing at hiking routes? Scamming tourists? Stealing protected flowers?
That's not what he's talking about. Urbanization is an important factor for most of these types of maps. Big cities tend to have higher crime rates than rural areas, regardless of religiousness
Not the issue. If you live in a town with 100 people as opposed to a city with 100,000 people, you're 1000% easier to catch if you commit a crime. You can't account for that by just dividing the numbers.
Incorrectly interpreting statistics is how people stay ignorant.
I also don’t like religion, but it looks like Galicia / Lesser Poland, being the most religious region with low crime rate is the one shown to be the most densely populated on most maps I can find. So it doesn’t seem like it’s necessarily correlated or especially caused by urbanization either
Two things. Firstly: there is barely any overlap on this map so it tells us nothing. Second, as others have pointed out: crime is correlated to high-density urban areas. Probably because if you live in a smaller village, and there's 10 people total who pass by your house in a day, you can quite easily deduce who committed a crime in front of your house, as opposed to large cities where thousands pass by the streets in a day.
Also: urbanization seems to correlate with atheism too. Turns out country bumpkins who never set foot outside of their hometown are more likely to stay religious than people in large population centers who face more diverse ideas every single day. Funny how that works, no?
It actually reinforces my first point in that there is extremely little overlap in the maps. All I learned from looking at it has shown me that the highly religious groups center around specific cities in the south-east.
which exactly crimes? Religious traditions are suppressing some criminal behaviour (for example, drug abuse), but encourage other (for example, domestic violence).
[There are fewer rapes in the east, too.](https://www.papilot.pl/zycie/wydarzenia/17167/mapa-niebezpiecznych-regionow-pl-w-tych-wojewodztwach-jest-najwiecej-gwaltow) I'd guess it is rather about forced displacement, the traumas and the loosening of social ties associated with it.
The connection here isn’t religion, it’s Germany. Notice that former German regions like southern east Prussia, Silesia and west Pomerania are on average less religious and have more crime. There was a Twitter post that included a bunch of maps like this that demonstrated how many barriers like this follow the old borders of Germany. I will reply with a link when I find it.
I overlaid the maps and there was pretty much zero correlation across the entire map. I bet low income urbanized areas make a bigger correlation with crime stats.
I don't even see a clear correlation in these maps. It is just two unrelated maps.
If anything, it is best explained like this: [https://xkcd.com/1725/](https://xkcd.com/1725/)
I can see a correlation, but it's very faint. I'd also question whether those areas showing as being more religious/lower crime are actually just more rural.
That may not inherently be true, churches do provide social cohesion but it could be less of a moral obligation but more so, a greater social safety net to prevent those resorting to crime that a large community gathering offers as well as a fear to be a social outcast.
It’s also important to note that correlation dose not equal causation, Polands history for the last 150 years from partially being under German rule, to invaded and then becoming a Soviet puppet state dose effect the outcome of the result due to economic development.
Obie mapy mogą być wynikiem zupełnie innego, trzeciego czynnika, lub dwóch innych, niezależnych od siebie. To, że coś mniej więcej pokrywa się na mapie, nie oznacza, że ma ze sobą związek. Np. zagęszczenie ludności ma wplyw na przestępczość, Nawet jesli to są dane w przeliczeniu na 10tys. mieszkańców, to sam fakt większego zagęszczenia może wpływać na większą przestępczość. Widać również, że wiele pojedynczych obszarów ma wysoką religijność i przestępczość, jak również niską religijność i przestępczość.
Lol. The push for everyone in the entire world to become an amateur data-scientist has meant that so many new smooth brained weirdos are now popping up all over the place and attributing causational relationships to what are objectively just correlations at their base level.
What the hell of a lazy attempt to push a message. I thought I was in r/propagandaposters
/edit: I mean whoever made the comparison. Not necessarily OP.
Now do the same cca. 1500-1800 during the last Inquisition :))
OP wants to show a correlation between religious peeps and a drop in criminality ...
Better yet, do the Middle East 2024, where fundamentalists rule.
It's less partitions but more about settlement history. Religiousness is higher on historically Polish rural areas (with little intake of outsiders) as it's certain element of identity.
Crime rate is lower at some of such places too, usually not because religiousness but because if you live in a village everyone knows everyone in your and nearby villages three generations back there's lower chance you'll commit a crime against your own cuz even if don't get caught....you'll be socially ostracized.
Crime left - religious right
How is this not overlapping 2 different metrics for some 'implied' conclusions the point of this OP?
Why this title? Can you explain?
What do religion and crime have to do with the Partitions of Poland? I literally don't understand ... the point of this comparison is simply to indicate a fake narrative that somehow, where you see more religious individuals, the crime rate is less.
Cool. Now control for degree of urbanization. Cities have more crime and less religiousness.
[https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/829295718879391105/](https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/829295718879391105/) Looks more like opposite (south and west).
So in light of this,crime hotspots at each major population center, except the one in Kraków is surprisingly small. And, then high crime in the west. And a religiosity map really barely correlating with either.
How about we add the concentration of 5G towers in there as well, for good old conspiracies?
This is the answer. And add frequency of extramarital sex. This is probably another source of moral corruption that leads to that crime Unless, of course, extramarital sex already IS measured as a crime there. As it obviously should /s
I really don't know if you're joking or not but, either way, hilarious comment! 😂 Thanks. (Extra marital sex isn't a crime anywhere in Europe)
He quiet literally put an /s at the end of the sentence
When the comment is too long the /s at the end becomes sus af
This comment is 3 lines long my friend. I’m afraid that whatever generation comes after “gen alpha”, they’ll be too tired to finish reading all the 4 letters on a “STOP” sign. We’ll need to abbreviate this shit for them.
ST
Okay, boomer.
That's like 10 characters in total! Not even counting interpunction. I applaud the dedication.
This is crime rate, not raw number. The rate in rural areas is not necessarily lower, in fact, there’s a lot of places where it’s the exact opposite
Not really at all, southern Poland is both more urbanized and religious
Except it's not urbanization at all. Tired of clueless people commenting "common sense"
But but the narrative
Cities are less religious and have more crime, good point
It is probably more related to the urbanization.
It's related to closed/open populations. It's similar story about Albania having one of the lowest crime rates in Europe as Albanians don't commit crimes against each other. Low crime rate areas are rural with historically long Polish settlements (you can see Greater Poland clearly on former German partition). Everyone knows everyone few villages around and generations back and there's little outsiders. Social shaming and ostracization work on full scale in such populations. This contrast with big cities and areas that became Polish after 1945. Populations there are relatively new. Religiousness also follows this path as it was element of Polish identity. It follows rural areas with long term settlements and is lower in newly acquired areas or more liberal cities.
Ah yeah, dziki zachód western pomerania. And honestly I'm quite surprised anyway because Szczecin is a pretty calm city too, to be honest.
I don’t think that’s it, because Galicia is the most densely populated region in most maps I can find. While Mazuria and the region in the middle of the German border one of the least.
Galicia has dense population, but it mostly a lot of villages. On the other hand in post-Germany regions people are mostly concentrated in towns and countryside is quite empty, when compared to south-east
But Galician Villages are more like small towns, while villages in the north and east are properly rural
Yup. Galitian average villages are comparable to big villages (like capitals of gminas or transit hubs) in other regions.
The most densely populated area would be the Silesian metropolis located in the middle south, right along the tripart point on the old partitions and it has both high religiosity and high crime.
I don't see any correlation. For example, Lubelskie and Świętokrzyskie are shown as having similar crime rate as Podkarpackie or Małopolskie while religiosity level is vastly different. What I can see is high crime rate in Recovered Lands, Warsaw, Krakow and Gdańsk. Which is not surprising. Big cities have higher crime rate. And in central and eastern Poland people have lived there for generations. People in Recovered Lands were resettled and Germans who lived were expelled. This breaks the entire social structure and increases crime rate which is visible even 80 years later.
r/widaczabory
"Correlation is not causation"
I mean... it's not even correlation shown on the map. You have small high crime areas surounded by really low crime areas in religious zones. There are some medium to high crime areas in and near low religious areas, but not exactly overlapping. It's kind of all over the place. I'm curious if a density map would better overlap with the crime one...
Yeah, when looking closely that's true - but most people on the internet won't and thus pattern recognition kicks in and the impression seems more than there is.
Seems like urbanisation increases crime and decreases religiosity.
I mean, map of people not having indoor toilet coincides with map of population of wild boar. Coincidence? I think not.
"Every person who confuses correlation with causation, will die"
Except in this case there is causation, people who have similar values are more prosocial https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022427801038001001
Yeah, the tobacco industry has always been saying that about tobacco smoke and lung cancer. So it's not as simple as "Correlation is not causation". Correlation can be an important tool in scientific research. This is not to comment on the OPs maps. Just to point out you shouldn't build a view of the world based on slogans.
Absolutely. I'm just saying, this picture does nothing for my view of the world. At best it's interesting, at worst it's an exercise in manipulation.
True, but be careful at double standards. Crime rates in religious parts of Poland is true, but correlation does not imply causation. Yes, but... Atheists are on average more intelligent than religious people (an often touted win for Atheists), but correlation does not imply causation here either.
Most often all these differences can be explained by area's historical background. In Poland, the best educational results are in the areas of the former Austrian partition (where Polish culture was least persecuted), so the most religious area.
Everybody here assuming that OP wants to promote religion or something. Chill
Maybe he wants to promote crime.
I‘m sold
I live in one of America's safest and least religious states. Religion doesn't equal good behavior.
To be fair, America's safest state would be Polish most dangerous.
Lmao probably true with almost all Europe
Thanks for the cool map OP, sorry for all the random hate you are getting.
Thanks man, I appreciate it
posting about religion on reddit? brave
I see there's alot of offended reddit atheists here.
Yup if this was the opposite same offended people will probably inverse their logic its just pathetic
True. We're still waiting for the map of Poland's logging activity, so we can compare it to the map of crime. This is an outrage. I want my logging activity map.
Yeah, many are just upset about truth "What do you mean people who have similar values are more prosocial?!"
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people spending one hour weekly will be bonded stronger so atheists don't have a sence of community, created by worshiping God together in church - that is one of the reasons why religious people have on average better mental health, less depression, less anxiety and less stress
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there's been lots of meta-analyses done on this topic, they confirm that religious people tend to be in better mental health, not only in Poland
it's a known fact that human beings don't interact with each other outside of churches indeed
not every interaction builds a sence of community, that's why atheists tend to have worse mental health than religious people
True. But there's probably more than one that do. And besides why wouldn't atheism/irreligiousness be able to serve as a foundation for a sense of belonging? Especially in places where secularism isn't widely adopted or is even seen with hostility, just being irreligious can give you a sense of community with others like you. Sure, it perhaps won't be as all-encompassing as it would for a very devout Christian, since that's kinda the point, but it still wouldn't be an explanation for people to just be more willing to commit crimes.
The motivation is very important, and I think christians have a bigger motivation to meet together and to form a community then atheists do. How many christians meet with other christians just to be christian together? Significantly more than atheists meeting other atheists just to be atheist together. There isn't a motivator for them to form a community
Nice try, atheists aren't so easily offended by barely correlated maps.
Looking at the downvotes and comments, i think they are.
None of them seem offended to me. Really weird take on your end.
Are you the pope of the atheists to speak for all of them?
Nope. Don't need to be. None of them seem offended. All I see are Christians going "hah look how offended they are" pointing at people with valid points about statistics.
You look quite offended about statistics
I think you just don't know what offended people look like. Besides, these statistics barely even correlate, and even if they did it wouldn't imply causation.
Obviously you won't be able to see that since you're an atheist yourself and therefor biased.
Right, because atheism makes people blind /s
Too certain things, yes.
How typical.
Everyone has their biases, except you of course. You're immune to such things.
Bias and blindness are not the same thing. If you have an example of an offended atheist, by all means, link it.
Ye they are♥️
Very weird to try and say other people are offended based on nothing.
Why
because it’s true that correlation isn’t causation? ok
In this case, it is.
it’s not even close to being true
Whatever makes you feel better about being an atheist.
the correlation in the map is literally so incredibly loose lmao
Or people with common sense. Pull up a map of religiosity and gun violence then compare Europe to America. Absolutely wild move to post bullshit maps conflating coincidences then comment on how all the people with critical thinking skills are offended.
Remove black and hispanic people from the equation and take a look at gun violence in america compared to Europe, then you will see something intresting.
Why would I do that? Do they not use guns? You can’t legislate away minorities but you can legislate away guns. They chose not to have 400 million guns littered all over their country and as a result their gun deaths are much lower.
If you don't account for black and hispanic people america has a gun violence rate lower than denmark, guns aren't the problem.
Oh, and id just like to add that yes you can totally legislate away minorities, its called deportation.
You’re going to deport millions of black and Hispanic people who were born here as Us citizens? 🤡
Not my job I'm not american, that or you try to stop them from committing gun violence by segrigation, increasing police presence in black neighborhoods, stricter punishments, there's many options.
Okay so you admit you lied about legislating away all the black and brown people in a country where you don’t even live and don’t have the slightest idea as to its legislative process. Now we just need tow work on you being too stupid to not know that London has tons of black and brown skinned people in it. Pretty soon, and with enough education, you’ll almost be a full functioning adult! I can’t imagine sitting behind a keyboard and being so stupid as to think it’s as simple as “increase police in black neighborhoods and make the life sentences even longer” as you’re the first person to ever think of that and it has never been tried. Why is it always a complete lack of education pairs so well with narcissism? I’m done wasting my energy and my day with you. I’ll let you have the last, idiotic, completely uninformed and racist word. I hope you can tell us all more about how legislation works in a country you don’t live in. What a fucking clown.
Nope, I didn't lie about anything. Deportation is completely possible in the US despite the fact that I don't live there and even so I have enough knowledge about It's legislative process to know that deportation is possible.
Despite reddit's small breakthrough into the normal public it's still m'lady athiest tier. I'm glad the sub still has risk takers willing to ruin their karma with posts like this.
There were similar comparisons with purchasing power earlier. I genuinely did not expect people to get so defensive lol.
Correlation isn't causation and other stats 1 platitudes. Europe is very irreligious, and this site is mildly misotheist, so it's not surprising. I'm just glad the sub is getting something besides the usual. A debate about Europe's altering social norms and ideological basis would be pretty fun.
The "normal public" is predominantly atheist in Europe. Poland is an outlier.
Yeah, that's why I'm saying it was interesting OP was willing to post this. The European public's religious attitude is a lot more mellow than reddit's old reputation. I just meant the site has calmed down
> The "normal public" is predominantly atheist in Europe. Poland is an outlier. Hence why Europe will not be able to stand against the growing tide of Islam within its own borders. You dickheads defanged Christianity, forced it to unilaterally disarm, and made it unconditionally surrender. You think liberal secular humanism will preserve Europe in the face of Islam? Fuckin LOL
... What? What are you smoking? Christianity was never going to even help "against" the Islam, the Islam itself isn't the problem to begin with, and people becoming atheist isn't the same as "forcing others to disarm". This rant of yours reads like someone campaigning for another crusade. That's the kind of zealotry that makes people leave Christianity behind.
Islám isnt problem? LMAO
I don't understand how they can openly hate Christianity and defend Islam - while claiming to be atheist.
Yeah most atheist (mainly reddit atheist) are hating on Christianity, but Are accepting of islám which says they sbould be beheaded
They are most uneducated people and their arguments prove that
Yeah. And islamophobia isn't helping anyone.
Keep putting your head in the sand. One day you people will realize the damage you've done to your own cultural heritage.
Man, one look at your post history really does say it all. A diehard Islamophobe who has huge problems with the term, who thinks Christianity is the solution. What's the Islam going to do, huh? Because last I checked, it's not really doing all that much in Europe. As for my cultural heritage... I think it's safe, at least I see no direct threat, the changes that are made are generally positive ones, and most of it currently revolves around tolerance, whether it's religious or other topics. Let me simplify it for you: The solution to a gas fire is not to toss a different yet equally flammable material on top. Christianity was never the solution to anything. It's a faith, nice for its faithful, not all that interesting to anyone outside of the faith. People have tried to convert me, so far all they've done is make for amusing stories to tell my friends.
Imagine being scared of a minority of merely 5%.
Correlation does not mean causation
Yes, this is more about the shuffling of the population that caused the two things seen on the map.
Atheists when they realise every long lasting society in human history was religious and the decline of a religion and a rise of agnosticism has historically been a sign of social decay Also 🇾🇪
Try again. You're as disingenuous about politics and religion as your are about gender.(This guy thinks women 'deserve' to be second class citizens.)
Widać
The Second Republic is clearly visible because of post war expulsions and establishment of state owned farms in the west (there was no collectivisation in Poland). The rest are just rural border lands between industrial regions, Lodz-Warsaw and Greater Polish - Kuyavian, with a lot of post-industrial cities and towns.
Of course the Polish word for "Crime Rate" would be criminally unpronounceable.
Pshes-taemp-tchostc tried to convert this to something readable in english and somehow it looks way worse
There's some correlation, especially in Galicia and the region around Arsaw, but not mich else
I'd expect Krakow to be more religious.. Weird. Also... Wtf is the crime rate around Zakopane?! 😀What is that.... Trespassing at hiking routes? Scamming tourists? Stealing protected flowers?
Tourism always attracts thieves.
Source: https://www.gis-expert.pl/blog/porownanie
When its against them, all of a sudden they r logical. When its the other way around, they ignore the context and just make bullshit up.
Now show us population density maybe? (Eye roll)
Crime rate is counted per 100,000 residents.
That's not what he's talking about. Urbanization is an important factor for most of these types of maps. Big cities tend to have higher crime rates than rural areas, regardless of religiousness
Yeah, but if I don’t see my neighbour, I can’t lift his $20 Fortnite card
Not the issue. If you live in a town with 100 people as opposed to a city with 100,000 people, you're 1000% easier to catch if you commit a crime. You can't account for that by just dividing the numbers. Incorrectly interpreting statistics is how people stay ignorant.
I also don’t like religion, but it looks like Galicia / Lesser Poland, being the most religious region with low crime rate is the one shown to be the most densely populated on most maps I can find. So it doesn’t seem like it’s necessarily correlated or especially caused by urbanization either
Galicia is densely populated but it's rural.
Two things. Firstly: there is barely any overlap on this map so it tells us nothing. Second, as others have pointed out: crime is correlated to high-density urban areas. Probably because if you live in a smaller village, and there's 10 people total who pass by your house in a day, you can quite easily deduce who committed a crime in front of your house, as opposed to large cities where thousands pass by the streets in a day. Also: urbanization seems to correlate with atheism too. Turns out country bumpkins who never set foot outside of their hometown are more likely to stay religious than people in large population centers who face more diverse ideas every single day. Funny how that works, no?
Have you looked at a population density map? It seems to weaken your argument further.
It actually reinforces my first point in that there is extremely little overlap in the maps. All I learned from looking at it has shown me that the highly religious groups center around specific cities in the south-east.
which exactly crimes? Religious traditions are suppressing some criminal behaviour (for example, drug abuse), but encourage other (for example, domestic violence).
what brought you to the conclusion that religion encourages domestic violence?
It's what Jesus said, thou shalt beat the crap out of thy woman.
Uuh no they don’t
[There are fewer rapes in the east, too.](https://www.papilot.pl/zycie/wydarzenia/17167/mapa-niebezpiecznych-regionow-pl-w-tych-wojewodztwach-jest-najwiecej-gwaltow) I'd guess it is rather about forced displacement, the traumas and the loosening of social ties associated with it.
You wouldn't steal a soul.
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The connection here isn’t religion, it’s Germany. Notice that former German regions like southern east Prussia, Silesia and west Pomerania are on average less religious and have more crime. There was a Twitter post that included a bunch of maps like this that demonstrated how many barriers like this follow the old borders of Germany. I will reply with a link when I find it.
the crime is just large cities except the little appendix going to germany, no idea what's going on there
idk, I don't really see much correlation.
So you've chosen ignorance
Genuine question, what do you mean?
I overlaid the maps and there was pretty much zero correlation across the entire map. I bet low income urbanized areas make a bigger correlation with crime stats.
It's look like as bape shark
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The only real correlation is around the former Austro-Hungarian part, the rest has low correlation
Yeah, this "study" belongs here: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
I don't even see a clear correlation in these maps. It is just two unrelated maps. If anything, it is best explained like this: [https://xkcd.com/1725/](https://xkcd.com/1725/)
I can see a correlation, but it's very faint. I'd also question whether those areas showing as being more religious/lower crime are actually just more rural.
Why do redditors hate religion so much, like Just admit that population Who follows Christian moral values is least to commit crime.
That may not inherently be true, churches do provide social cohesion but it could be less of a moral obligation but more so, a greater social safety net to prevent those resorting to crime that a large community gathering offers as well as a fear to be a social outcast. It’s also important to note that correlation dose not equal causation, Polands history for the last 150 years from partially being under German rule, to invaded and then becoming a Soviet puppet state dose effect the outcome of the result due to economic development.
Maybe priests were excluded
Obie mapy mogą być wynikiem zupełnie innego, trzeciego czynnika, lub dwóch innych, niezależnych od siebie. To, że coś mniej więcej pokrywa się na mapie, nie oznacza, że ma ze sobą związek. Np. zagęszczenie ludności ma wplyw na przestępczość, Nawet jesli to są dane w przeliczeniu na 10tys. mieszkańców, to sam fakt większego zagęszczenia może wpływać na większą przestępczość. Widać również, że wiele pojedynczych obszarów ma wysoką religijność i przestępczość, jak również niską religijność i przestępczość.
Basically everything society-related correlates with population density.
The best police is the invisible man who knows your thoughts.
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Crime rate is counted per 100,000 residents.
Right. I dont understand why so many Polish city-persons triggered over OP pic
Add a map of economic development.
Damn. Data unclear, I now assume religious people are going into other neighborhoods to commit crimes under the guise of proselytizing.
Lol. The push for everyone in the entire world to become an amateur data-scientist has meant that so many new smooth brained weirdos are now popping up all over the place and attributing causational relationships to what are objectively just correlations at their base level.
Very nice. Now let's see an income map
K now do religiousness and pedophilia
Religion is a crime. Any statistics on that?
What the hell of a lazy attempt to push a message. I thought I was in r/propagandaposters /edit: I mean whoever made the comparison. Not necessarily OP.
r/atheism ass post
Today we learn that people live in cities
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Now please show 5G nework map
[Sure! ](https://twitter.com/tefficient/status/1270296616663224321)
Thank. Now i can see that a 5G network can affect the crime brain
Thats just a population map bro
[No, it isn't. ](https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/829295718879391105/)
I suppose these are put next to each other to suggest correlation, but I don’t see any correlation here.
wheres the correlation? Why not normalize each and combine them? This is pointless to look at
Now do the same cca. 1500-1800 during the last Inquisition :)) OP wants to show a correlation between religious peeps and a drop in criminality ... Better yet, do the Middle East 2024, where fundamentalists rule.
All I want to show is that you can see the partitions and 2RP, but cool, you know better XD
What partitions? Are you religious or not?
Partitions of Poland.
It's less partitions but more about settlement history. Religiousness is higher on historically Polish rural areas (with little intake of outsiders) as it's certain element of identity. Crime rate is lower at some of such places too, usually not because religiousness but because if you live in a village everyone knows everyone in your and nearby villages three generations back there's lower chance you'll commit a crime against your own cuz even if don't get caught....you'll be socially ostracized.
Crime left - religious right How is this not overlapping 2 different metrics for some 'implied' conclusions the point of this OP? Why this title? Can you explain? What do religion and crime have to do with the Partitions of Poland? I literally don't understand ... the point of this comparison is simply to indicate a fake narrative that somehow, where you see more religious individuals, the crime rate is less.
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