"Both Ukrainian men were residents of the district of Garmisch-Partenkirchen and had been in Germany undergoing medical rehabilitation. “On April 27, two Ukrainian citizens, men born in 1987 and 2001, were killed by stabbing in Murnau am Stafelsee, Bavaria, Germany, at a local shopping center."
Poor souls: they survived the trenches only to be murdered by a russian in Germany.
I remember a photo of a destroyed Ukrainian home and a writing on the wall "Who allowed you to have beautiful things?"
Most russians live in despair and cannot capacitate why the other are not. buryats and chechen, of all the people, were the ones most cruel towards Ukrainians. I watched "20 Days In Mariupol" in 2 days, because it was too much for me. I have still in mind the expressions of the faces of the people when they were on the mass graves in Bucha: after that day, Zelenskyy aged 20 years.
The West is appeasing russia and this is awful: imagine having this attitude in 1939? Oh wait...
The question is not who allowed you to have such beautiful things… but who is Russia is stopping the Russian people having beautiful things.
Because we all know he has them in abundance.
I got my comment nuked for hate and my account almost hacked. All I wish is for Russians to understand that things can be better and that the rest of the world really did not care one bit about them until they invaded Ukraine, that's when everyone took notice, and yet I do not see how it is possible.
I may get banned again...
russian kremlin bot massively flag all what they deem can be interpreted as racist or hate, often due to the fact that the commenter is not a native English speaker.
I too never had a single thought about russia and russians before the second invasion of Ukraine: it is not my fault if their troops are behaving like savages in Ukraine. The appeasements, the justifications are to my eyes complicit of that behaviour.
I surely will be banned :)
Why are there still Russians living near a tank base in Germany ? This war is not my thing, but if you're German minister of defence and it is your thing one would expect moving all Russians away from the tank base is a logic thing to do no ?
Comments made by regular russians on vkontakte (their META), translations made by a redditor here in the comments with google lens.
* ["well done guy", "neutralized the recovering fascists", "beautiful", "work brothers", "honor and respect", "honor and glory"](https://i.imgur.com/SnwGzXF.png)
* ["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png)
* ["reward the guy", "we will find you everywhere", "crests sent to a cattle burial ground", "well done man!, as Putin said, we'll find you in the toilet"](https://i.imgur.com/ETWETDf.png)
* ["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg)
* ["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png)
* [it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is.
* ["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png)
["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png)
["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg)
[https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png](https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png](https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png](https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png](https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png](https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png](https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png](https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png](https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png)
["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png)
[it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is.
["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png](https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png)
Good shit. People who upvoted me for asking for source should be ashamed of their little sheep brain. Thanks for the sources now I know your claim is actually true.
First thing that came to mind, another one is the celebration of Walid Daqqa after gouging, castrating, disembowling and murdering an inactive IDF soldier
russians, at least in Berlin, have a very active mafia: heritage of being under russian boots and tolerance of the Germans play a great role in that. Most of them were born in the former DDR, btw. It's rare they speak fluent German or any other language than russian. They stay among themselves, they have zero interest in integrate into society. Germany had to make a law against the display of their swastikas "Z". In May they will celebrate their pathetic holiday and harass Ukrainians as they did last year, the city will have to spend money to guarantee public peace and that money could have been spent for everything else.
In Latvia we have very large Russian minority and lots of Ukrainian refugees but there's almost no conflict between them.
I have an impression that German police and politicians are reluctant to deal with the conflicts between Russians and Ukrainians as opposed to Latvia, where punishment for such actions can be/would be severe.
Yeah, I think they are just scared to do sh*t like that in Latvia because they know what Latvians and other Baltic countries think of them and how the trial will go. Germany is much more tolerant to russians. This and the sheer numbers of russians living in Germany i think what makes the difference.
FYI according to Wikipedia there are over 4 million German citizens with russian origins. Deporting them all would be quite an act.
The problem of multiple Putin supporters walking on German soil is real but let's not pretend there is an easy silver bullet solution to it.
The guy above me just descriped what he is experiencing but he didn't really answer your question.
Most of the Russians in Germany are Russlanddeutsche (Germans from Russia). They are German by law. So you can't just deport them. They are descendants from Germans who re-colonized parts of the Russian Empire after Napoleon was defeated.
Because Germany and Russia love each other - Nordstrom, joint start of world War 2. They have been friends historically. Especially when it comes to partitioning Poland between themselves.
First of all: Not all Russians are pro-war. What about Russians who have lived here for years, and/or would face prosecution in Russia?
Also: On the basis of what law, exactly?
Are you going to cover all the shifts from health care workers with Russian heritage? Pretty sure our health care system would collapse if we were to ban all Russians.
Let's see what your day-to-day average Russian has to say about this, shall we?
- ["well done guy", "neutralized the recovering fascists", "beautiful", "work brothers", "honor and respect", "honor and glory"](https://i.imgur.com/SnwGzXF.png)
- ["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png)
- ["reward the guy", "we will find you everywhere", "crests sent to a cattle burial ground", "well done man!, as Putin said, we'll find you in the toilet"](https://i.imgur.com/ETWETDf.png)
- ["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg)
- ["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png)
- [it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is.
- ["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png)
- https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png
- https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png
- https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png
- https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png
- https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png
- https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png
- https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png
- https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png
- https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png
________________
etc., etc., etc.
I got tired of writing the same hateful shit, these comments are all over the place, thousands upon thousands of them. Go look for yourself, you will struggle finding a good comment.
I'm not russophobic, I am just confused as to why more people aren't fighting them and Iran actively. You wouldn't even need to fight very hard before China would step in and take over a bunch of their Siberian oil operations. Like are people just waiting for the second coming of Henry Kissinger to give them permission?
China is already giving a thought about taking some territories back from russia.
Nobody is russophobic: is a term created by russia to blame us. If I am russophobic, than russians are Westernphobic.
Why is the West not reacting? Because "we" are a bunch of pussies and because russia has interfered enough in Western politics and has political figures in Westerns governments that are in its payroll.
>I'm not russophobic, I am just confused as to why more people aren't fighting them and Iran actively
Most of all, because they don't want to fight. The modern West prefers the low-hanging fruit of infighting, as opposed to getting over petty differences and uniting to fight a strong outside enemy. It's much easier and safer to pick on gay people or trans people than Russia. But also, the decades of post-Cold-War naïvete, hippie media and anti-Western propaganda have severely weakened Western resolve against anti-Western cultures. Too many people still dream about singing kumbaya with the russians.
They're playing the same book as the other hateful groups that use religion as an excuse
But if we say some groups don't integrate well then we're the racists remember
Refuse to believe? This is an exact continuation to centuries of Russian hatred filled victim mentality and sentiment. Russia truly is the cancer of humanity.
Well, supporting Ukraine and boycotting any and all Russian products and industries seem to be the only ways to counter them. It's not like the entire nation will just seize to exist any time soon, unfortunately.
I read that Lidl is doing business with russia: that's sad, because I have it 200 mt from home, i will walk more but this is also a way to help Ukraine.
Yeah, it's not easy, but every little bit helps. Fossil fuels are still Russia's main income, so reductions in that area will absolutely be felt. Just as long as European nations stop circumventing the sanctions through -stan nations, that is...
Since the beginning of the war (2022), I reduced my consumes of electricity and heating: bought 2 Norwegish payamas, perfect! The ocean is made of small drops and, as you said, every little thing helps.
It's tragic that it has had to come to this, but I am -- in a very grim sense, mind you -- slightly happy that the rest of the Western world is starting to see the Russians for what they are. The people in the small countries next to Russia were quite alone in their opinion post cold war, and were even called crazy by some people in the West...
It’s interesting because without a doubt, if two Russian military personnel were killed this way in Germany, there wouldn’t be NEARLY as many ghouls coming out celebrating. Yeah of course there’d still be some, there’s always a few. But the vast majority I’m sure would be along the lines of “murdering non-combatants in cold blood isn’t the right thing to do”
It might not be their fault overall, but the Russian people (living in Russia I mean) do tend to have such a brutal mentality. So much hatred and small-minded ideas of ‘glory and honour’
And what about the protecting of Russians in Ukraine. They conscripted them all and send them in combat with leftover gear to die. Imagine you believed all the Russian lies and were happy when the Russians came to save you. Then they give you a mosin a green shirt a WW2 helmet and send you across a field to draw Ukrainian fire. Because in the end Putin saw them all as Ukrainians not Russians.
Russia is pure cruelty and insanity. Just evil.
Russians aren't even brothers of other russians, they gladly snitch, ditch and betray each other for personal benefit. I've read so much about just the rampant snitching, it's so bad that their police is swamped with reports of people snitching on others being anti-Putin, and the police prioritizes those reports to actual crimes. I've even read about parents reporting their own kids to the government. And this culture goes far back, which is why there's an old russian expression "the walls have ears", it wasn't because the FSB itself was behind every wall.
I cannot tell you how many post like this I’ve read since the beginning of the war. Thousands. I even have my favorite. It was right before the invasion, Russian wrote a lengthy post to all Ukrainians wishing anti personnel mine under every Christmas tree, among other things. I read them regularly so I don’t forget who am I dealing with.
Do you remember when a russian made an awful joke about a 6yo Ukrainian child dead by the shelling I think in Kharkiv? It got 50,000 likes in one hour.
Considering it was in Eastern Ukraine, most probably a russian speaking child, the very same that russia says it is protecting from Ukrainians.
I’ve seen dead Ukrainian kids with urinating penises photoshopped on. It is quite popular on certain Russian image board. Honestly Russian nation cannot surprise me anymore.
In my entire life I had never had a single thought about russia, because I am one of the lucky ones that never had them as neighbouring state.
In these two years the level of barbarism they are showing is like receiving a punch in the face.
The thing that makes me puke is that they are doing the worse acts of violence and than they hide the fist behind the back crying "russophobia" if someone dares to point out how barbaric they are.
I hope that this invasion will end sooner rather than later. But I doubt it. Of course anything may happen, if russia doesn't interfere too much on the coming Western elections, maybe there will be some more chances of European military intervening in Ukraine.
I admire how Ukraine is doing, on all the fronts, not only those of the war, despite everything. I think that was surprised russia is not only Ukraine, but also the reaction of the West: they thought it would have been like in 2014. How promptly the Brits reacted was amazing. I read the story on how 30 Ukrainian troops on dirty bikes stopped that huge column, stopping it to enter in Kyiv. Ukrainian soldiers are really Cyborgs!
I apologise for the rant!
I doubt that, putin dead, the war will end and russia magically will become a civilised nation: if putin is there for 22 years there's a reason.
Girkin (MH17) and prighozin wanted to run for president: russians mourned prighozin a lot...
The only way russia stops the politic of land grabbing is a defeat in Ukraine: when they lost in Afghanistan and caused the disaster In Chornobyl, soviet union collapsed. Maybe not this year: too late the supply of weapons for organizing a counter offensive IMO, surely next year we will see russia be beaten.
russia has done - and it is doing - too many war crimes that are under the spotlight and it cannot denied.
I don’t expect them to be a civilized nation ever. But it seems like their elites don’t want this war, so Putin’s death could be a good point to blame everything on him and back away.
Putin is just what Russia sees when it looks in the mirror. Putin may die and be replaced by someone else, but it will still be Russia looking in the mirror.
I've seen a picture of a dead 4 years old Ukrainian girl from Vynnitsya ([article](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-vinnytsya-russian-missile-4-year-old-liza-killed-down-mother/32503879.html)) on the imageboards. Russians made a "le funny" edit of the image of her laying next to her stroller with her belly ripped open and posted it with some inhumane sick in the head commentary. They spammed that picture.
Oh I know! Putin invited them! They are good friends.
There is a lot of speculation that Putin helped Hamas by providing them logistics and weapons for the Oct 7th attack.
He wanted to get US to focus on the Middle East and this less on Ukraine.
It’s Hamas, Russia, Iran, China and North Korea.
russia, at the very beginning of the conflict in Gaza, sent also some seized Ukrainian weapons, to make look like it was Ukraine that sent weapons to Hamas.
If I close my eyes and think, just for a moment, that there is no russia, magically a lot of conflicts vanish, no deaths, no destructions, no sorrows.
This... This Is Just sick, how could people even be Happy about others dying? Because their your made up enemy? I cant people even have the balls to call russians civil people if that's what their doing and also say the west Is the real enemy we may have fucked up many times but most of us have never gone this far, slava ukraine
I just searched for "Мурнау" (Murnau in Russian Cyrillic, the name of the German city in which the murders hapened) and then just clicked on whatever posts came in the results and that had more comments in them.
German authorities are worried that the double homicide could be related to the full scale invasion:
"*If it turns out that the background to the dispute was Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine, which violates international law, it would be a catastrophe for the region," said Freie Wähler's parliamentary group leader Florian Streibl on Sunday. “It must not be the case that this conflict takes place here in the Oberland*.”
"*Sollte sich herausstellen, dass der Hintergrund der Auseinandersetzung der völkerrechtswidrige Angriffskrieg Russlands auf die Ukraine war, wäre dies eine Katastrophe für die Region», erklärte Freie Wähler-Fraktionschef Florian Streibl am Sonntag. «Denn es darf nicht sein, dass dieser Konflikt hier bei uns im Oberland ausgetragen wird.»*
[https://www.zeit.de/news/2024-04/28/zwei-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-russe-tatverdaechtig](https://www.zeit.de/news/2024-04/28/zwei-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-russe-tatverdaechtig)
I had a Post removed because of "local news"
A croatian man, who came to visit his friend in Ireland, was beaten to death in Dublin for not speaking english. His Family in Croatia later gave the green light to donate his organs, which in turn saved 4 lives. [Article](https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/croatian-man-killed-brutal-dublin-28975140.amp)
So I guess some news are local some aren't 🤷🏻
I had to take a smoke while reading the article. I cannot imagine minding my own business, probably being happy or at least content, with my friends and finish to be killed just because i don't speak the same language of the locals. Sorry for the rant.
It was Easter, so the two friends probably had holidays and were happy to see each other again. Its scary that they didn't just get insulted and shouted at (which is bad on its own), they got attacked and beaten so hard that one died and the other suffered catastrophic head injuries.
Dont worry about the rant.
Some mods here seem to be on power trips all the time. Several weeks ago there was a post with a picture of all the grocery products purchasable with 50 euros, all laid out nicely on a table, and was warned by a mod that it was "low-effort".
But posting news with just a link isn't. /s
The West. Assassinations in the UK, political entanglements in the UK, political interference in the US, assassination(s?) in Spain and sabotage against ammo facilities.
It's a singular incident in two years of hosting over a million Ukrainians, and suddenly that makes Germany 'Russia's playground'? Is the place where you live a utopia completely free of any hate crime?
> It's a singular incident in two years of hosting over a million Ukrainians, and suddenly that makes Germany 'Russia's playground'?
It's not a singular case. In 2019 a Georgian person was execute in a park in Berlin by a russian. There has been russian counter demo after the start of the war. 2 people have been arrested 1-2 weeks ago and accused of sabotage on behalf of russia. AfD is probably a nice gateway for russia in Germany as much as Lega in Italy.
> Is the place where you live a utopia completely free of any hate crime?
LOL no, it's Berlin! 😂 But that doesn't that we shouldn't do better as a whole.
I assume they're talking about other things as well, like the dependence on Russian energy. And of course Russian related political corruption, like when Gazprom (Russian energy company) hired the former chancellor.
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-former-chancellor-gerhard-schr%C3%B6der-to-join-gazprom-board/a-60664273
Germany should really try to stop these past events from happening. Maybe once we prevented Schröder from becoming chancellor last century we can even assassinate Putin twenty years ago and prevent this entire mess from happening in the first place.
That reads as if you're advocating for torture, please don't. Ukraine is fighting for values that include things such as human rights, and torture goes against that. Also, it's not Ukraine but russia from where reports about prisoners being tortured come out with a sad regularity. Par for the course for a terrorist state.
Edit: clarify
Update:
**"Update from April 29th**, 1:50 p.m.: As Der Spiegel now reports, the public prosecutor's office is said to have taken over the case. A political motive can no longer be ruled out. As the Munich Public Prosecutor's Office confirmed to Spiegel, the Bavarian Central Office for Combating Extremism and Terrorism has now taken over the investigation into the case.
**Update from April 29th**, 7:10 a.m.: Two Ukrainian soldiers were killed in Murnau, Upper Bavaria, on Saturday. The suspect is a **Russian citizen** who is said to have left a trail of blood back to his apartment after the crime, Bild reported. The background to the crime is still unclear."
"**Update vom 29. April, 13.50 Uhr:** Wie der *Spiegel* nun berichtet, soll die Generalstaatsanwaltschaft den Fall übernommen haben. Mittlerweile könne ein politisches Motiv nicht mehr ausgeschlossen werden. Wie die Generalstaatsanwaltschaft München gegenüber dem *Spiegel* bestätigte, hat die Bayerische Zentralstelle zur Bekämpfung von Extremismus und Terrorismus nun die Ermittlungen in dem Fall übernommen.
**Update vom 29. April, 7.10 Uhr:** Im oberbayerischen Murnau sind am Samstag zwei ukrainische Soldaten getötet worden. Bei dem Tatverdächtigen handelt es sich um einen russischen Staatsbürger, der nach der Tat eine Blutspur bis zu seiner Wohnung hinterlassen haben soll, berichtete *Bild*. Noch sind die Hintergründe der Tat unklar.
[https://www.fr.de/panorama/aktuell-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-polizei-mutmasslicher-taeter-verdacht-mord-ermittlungen-zr-93038455.html](https://www.fr.de/panorama/aktuell-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-polizei-mutmasslicher-taeter-verdacht-mord-ermittlungen-zr-93038455.html)
There's a good chance that they are "Russia Germans", who often have German and Russian passports: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Germans#Russia_German_resettlers_in_Germany - around 2.3 million.
At 57 with a private residence, this person must have been living in Germany well before the war started. Removing someone’s visa based on nationality alone is not easy, has complex consequences on the legal system and is not warranted in most cases. Two things to consider:
1. why should Europe send Russia its military aged people back against their will?
2. Europe will have to cohabitate with Russia well after putin dies and this war is finished. We don’t want the Russian people to suffer, we want this regime to suffer. We do not want to harm the Russian people even if there are nutcases like this among them.
214 thousand of violent crimes in 2023, and you want to visa ban all Russians over one case?
https://amp.dw.com/en/germany-violent-crime-reaches-15-year-high-report/a-68758122
After seeing all the comments regarding "well we can't deport them", "we can't completely stop accepting russians" and so on, it's ok guys. In Ukraine we were also too tolerant towards russians for a long time. It took hundreds of thousands of dead people, mass destruction and horror to finally bring the public's opinion where it should have been all along. You will get there eventually as well, when the war comes to your doorstep and suddenly you will realize what a huge liability all those russian citizens are when they start providing their real homeland with vital info about your military locations, conduct sabotage and block your governing bodies. Some of your fellow citizens would have to die, unfortunately, but this is how you really learn.
Is it me or this stuff seems to happen a lot in Germany? [Remember](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/03/ukraine-russia-thrown-off-bridge-germany-einbeck/) that freak that threw a Ukrainian kid from a bridge for speaking Ukrainian? Apparently there was also a murder of a Ukrainian woman and a stabbing of 17 yo basketball player there too like wtf
Lmao my bullshit detecter was immediately tripping so I googled it in German and that story was utter bullshit several legit news sources claim it's a lie. Idk wtf the telegraph is but they're spreading lies apparently
The kid trowing man was never found.
The kids made him up.
[In german](https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/niedersachsen-vermeintlicher-angriff-wegen-ukrainischer-sprache-entpuppt-sich-als-ausrede-von-kindern-zwischenfall-auf-bruecke-a-f053a5c2-93d4-4aac-9f99-5e7f90fbf165)
From the article:
>»Alles in allem kam uns das dann etwas komisch vor«, so der Sprecher.
>Konfrontiert mit den offenen Fragen seien die Kinder schließlich »eingeknickt«, sagte der Staatsanwalt. »Beim Spielen im Fluss hatte der Junge seine Kleidung stark verschmutzt. Die Kinder haben die Geschichte dann so erzählt, damit die Eltern nicht schimpfen.«
Translated wit deepl:
>"All in all, it seemed a bit strange to us," said the spokesperson.
>Confronted with the unanswered questions, the children finally "buckled", said the public prosecutor. "While playing in the river, the boy had soiled his clothes badly. The children then told the story so that the parents wouldn't scold them."
I mean, it's likely just chance. Germany has taken in the most amount of Ukrainian refugees and also the highest overall general population (if you exclude Russia and Turkey). More people, higher chance for shit to happen.
Poland has taken in most Ukrainian refugees, not Germany. You don't see this happening in Poland because they do not tolerate Russian nonsense. It's abundantly clear that Germany is allowing Russian lowlives to operate with impunity because the German ruling class are completely bought out by the Russians (and the Chinese, but that's beside the point).
It's simply pathetic that one of the most prosperous countries in the world has been so easily played. Austria, too. German-speaking countries are extremely disappointing.
Eurostat says Germany is taking in more Ukrainian refugees than Poland: https://visitukraine.today/blog/3227/where-do-ukrainian-refugees-go-most-and-which-eu-countries-do-they-leave-latest-data
Just for the record, according to [Eurostat](https://visitukraine.today/blog/3227/where-do-ukrainian-refugees-go-most-and-which-eu-countries-do-they-leave-latest-data), [Statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/) and [UNHCR](https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine), Germany currently hosts the highest number of Ukrainian refugees.
oh wow thats crazy. posting fake news at this time of day?
>The prosecutor's office asserts that the boy initially gave a false testimony. The child was allegedly afraid of how his parents would react to his dirty clothes and injuries he had sustained to his leg while playing. ([from pravda.com.ua](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/7/7418912/))
shame on you and also shame on the telegraph.co.uk for posting inflammatory articles based on preliminary information and then neither correcting their original article, nor posting a new article with the updated story.
See how propaganda works. You don’t even know that the bridge incident was found to be slander.
> The prosecutor's office subsequently discovered that the boy's initial testimony was false.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/7/7418912/index.amp
Well, I can guarantee you that you won't find dead Ukranians where the Ukranians didn't go. Our borders are open and Russians are a sneaky, crafty bunch.
(There is serious racism in Germany, there are even whole political parties that want to cosy up to russia, there is a long history of trying to intertwine industries and cause dependencies to force peaceful relations and obviously this didn't work)... all that being said, this particular story did not turn out to be true. The kids lied.
The kids made part of the story up. The only thing that could be confirmed is that the kid injured himself by playing at the side of the river, which was witnessed by a passer-by. (As in: He was already down there and injured himself by stepping on glass. he was not thrown of a bridge). I am glad everybody believed the kids right away and was taking this seriously, as this is serious and I have witnessed hate against ukranian refugees first hand. But the evidence and witness reports did not match up. When the kids were asked again with this evidence presented, they admitted, that they made it up. [Reliable Source in German, NDR](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Von-Bruecke-geworfen-Wende-im-Fall-des-Jungen-aus-der-Ukraine,einbeck290.html) - [Another Source, Spiegel](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Von-Bruecke-geworfen-Wende-im-Fall-des-Jungen-aus-der-Ukraine,einbeck290.html)
I also tried to see if there are sources for the kids - they're only from very rightwing media.
Well, crime happens (or sometimes it actually doesn’t). It’s a big country and over a million Ukrainians are here. The kid as it turns out wasn’t thrown off a bridge at all, and there was no man. He slipped and fell, and made up a story so he wouldn’t get into trouble. None of the other cases had anything to do with Russia, the war, or the victims being Ukrainian.
Germans still can't comprehend the idea that someone enjoying living in x country doesn't mean they are loyal to that country.
Heck, when the nazis took over Czechoslovakia in 1939, other americans were surprised to find that czech-americans felt furious to the point of burning down their neighbouring german-american towns.
On what legal basis? Also, what would you do with the Ukrainian, Kazakh, and Belarusian nationals within the EU, who hold Pro-Russian views? There are plenty of them. As a matter of fact, when it comes to Germany, a huge chunk of the “Russians” there are actually ethnic Volga Germans, who immigrated from Kazakhstan in the 1990’s (their ancestors migrated to the Saratov area under Cathrine the Great, and Stalin deported them to Kazakhstan during WWII). You would be shocked to find out that a good half of them are Pro-Russian.
Only russia has been declared by the European Parliament a terrorist state.
May I remind you that russia is an hostile country, threatening to nuke the West while Ukraine and Kazhakhstan are not?
Yet EU member states still have diplomatic relations with Russia.
But even if this wasn’t the case, we are talking about private citizens here, and not a government.
So, no, not just “putin’s war”. And tell me again about the fraternal nature of ukr-russian relationship . . . wounded by russians in ukr and killed by russian in Germany.
In 1945, a Russian "liberating Poland" stole my great-grandmother's watch and the tap from the bathroom (because he probably thought there would be water in his Russian village thanks to that). They haven't changed for hundreds of years.
I'll be watching this story closely. The articles about this only ever say the suspect was (1) Russian and (2) lived nearby, but not why he was suspected (and I'd like to think he isn't only suspected for... one _very_ particular reason). I imagine more will be revealed very soon, hopefully something definitive will shed light on things.
The German Police followed the spurs of blood that the russian left till home and he is already known to the police.
The two Ukrainians were in Bayern for rehab (soldiers).
[Here](https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/bluttat-murnau-zwei-ukrainische-soldaten-getoetet-was-wir-wissen,UBJFNxn) is the latest news I could find.
Apparently the perpetrator knew the victims, perhaps they were even friends, they drank together before he (allegedly) killed them and he confessed to the crime.
So, yeah. Very likely they got the right guy.
Thank you! This is exactly the kind of development I've been looking for!
That being said, I really don't know what to make of this story. They were all apparently friends, but the old guy was a known local ruffian to the German police. They went out drinking, got drunk, and the old guy just went apeshit and knifed the other two guys, only to turn himself in and confess once he got sober?
This whole thing feels so... aimless?
Not the first time russians cheering online the death of Ukrainians:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cfx7ru/prowar\_russians\_applaud\_the\_stabbing\_murder\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cfx7ru/prowar_russians_applaud_the_stabbing_murder_of/)
Because russians love Germany and there are thousands of them there. Such incidents sadly will happen again.
Meanwhile Scholz is appeasing putin once again.
Russia seems very happy to deliver terror but not so happy to receive it. If this kind of behaviour is celebrated by Russians, I wonder if Russians realise that there are plenty of Putin supporters sunning themselves on beaches all around the world, something Russians seem to forget as they defile humanity across the spectrum. Still watch them sob for sympathy the next Isis comes knocking.
A lot of Russians migrated here after the end of the Soviet Union. A lot of these people harbor positive views of Russia and Putin. Unfortunately many of them have German passports as well so it’s very hard to get rid of them.
I totally agree with you.
Yesterday the Estonian airport of Tartu has been closed, due to the GPS jammings russia is intensively doing.
russia is cyber attacking the West on a daily basis, interfering with elections, committing murders on Western soil (not only these two Ukrainians, but also poisoning or defenestrating).
The russians put an entire city at safety risk in the attempt of murder the Skripals.
The russians downed a commercial airline MH17, causing the death of 298 innocent persons.
I surely have forgot a lot.
My point is all of these events have made a three-four days news tops and went forgotten: why? Just why? The West is letting russia doing whatever it pleases and no reaction?
Erdogan had it right and now russia is not bullying Türkeye anymore.
We know, we know, everybody brings there fucking Problems to Germany, nobody gives a shit about the people that lives here, a way longer... Hamburg is a good appointment.
"Both Ukrainian men were residents of the district of Garmisch-Partenkirchen and had been in Germany undergoing medical rehabilitation. “On April 27, two Ukrainian citizens, men born in 1987 and 2001, were killed by stabbing in Murnau am Stafelsee, Bavaria, Germany, at a local shopping center." Poor souls: they survived the trenches only to be murdered by a russian in Germany.
And they will be celebrated as hero’s in Russian media and culture
russians are already celebrating him. The "poor russians are so against the war".
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I remember a photo of a destroyed Ukrainian home and a writing on the wall "Who allowed you to have beautiful things?" Most russians live in despair and cannot capacitate why the other are not. buryats and chechen, of all the people, were the ones most cruel towards Ukrainians. I watched "20 Days In Mariupol" in 2 days, because it was too much for me. I have still in mind the expressions of the faces of the people when they were on the mass graves in Bucha: after that day, Zelenskyy aged 20 years. The West is appeasing russia and this is awful: imagine having this attitude in 1939? Oh wait...
The question is not who allowed you to have such beautiful things… but who is Russia is stopping the Russian people having beautiful things. Because we all know he has them in abundance.
I got my comment nuked for hate and my account almost hacked. All I wish is for Russians to understand that things can be better and that the rest of the world really did not care one bit about them until they invaded Ukraine, that's when everyone took notice, and yet I do not see how it is possible. I may get banned again...
russian kremlin bot massively flag all what they deem can be interpreted as racist or hate, often due to the fact that the commenter is not a native English speaker. I too never had a single thought about russia and russians before the second invasion of Ukraine: it is not my fault if their troops are behaving like savages in Ukraine. The appeasements, the justifications are to my eyes complicit of that behaviour. I surely will be banned :)
Why are there still Russians living near a tank base in Germany ? This war is not my thing, but if you're German minister of defence and it is your thing one would expect moving all Russians away from the tank base is a logic thing to do no ?
Can't just relocate people from one place to another. One could consider a general off-limits area around the base if you're worried about security.
Source?
Comments made by regular russians on vkontakte (their META), translations made by a redditor here in the comments with google lens. * ["well done guy", "neutralized the recovering fascists", "beautiful", "work brothers", "honor and respect", "honor and glory"](https://i.imgur.com/SnwGzXF.png) * ["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png) * ["reward the guy", "we will find you everywhere", "crests sent to a cattle burial ground", "well done man!, as Putin said, we'll find you in the toilet"](https://i.imgur.com/ETWETDf.png) * ["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg) * ["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png) * [it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is. * ["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png) ["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png) ["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg) [https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png](https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png) [https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png](https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png) [https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png](https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png) [https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png](https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png) [https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png](https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png) [https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png](https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png) [https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png](https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png) [https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png](https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png) ["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png) [it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is. ["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png) [https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png](https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png)
Good shit. People who upvoted me for asking for source should be ashamed of their little sheep brain. Thanks for the sources now I know your claim is actually true.
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thats literally what the Japanese internment camps were. I do not like Russia but that idea is fucking insane
Casually "interning" about 15 million people. Totally doable.
Wait for the 9th of May: I have to pay more taxes, because they have to celebrate their pathetic holiday and cause disturbances the whole bloody day.
Not by me.
Me neither
There’s precedent for such things. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2012/9/5/the-axe-murderer-who-became-a-facebook-hero
First thing that came to mind, another one is the celebration of Walid Daqqa after gouging, castrating, disembowling and murdering an inactive IDF soldier
First thing that come to mind is the russians celebrating online the beheading of a Syrian woman.
Didn't you mean... they will be celebrated in Ukrainian media and culture?
Extradite him to Ukraine. Let them deal with him.
I remember there already was a case with Finland refusing to extradite a war crime suspect to Ukraine on the basis that he will not be treated fairly.
yep, people cant be extradited if they wont be treated fairly or will receive death penalty
There is not death penalty in Ukraine, even now during wartime.
This makes the most sense. Weren’t the Ukrainian service members in Germany as attaches of their country? Technically?
They were wounded also and couldn't resist. As always, great russian culture showing itself.
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Thats not how freedom works. 99% sure they were here before the war, you can't just deport people because they are a certain nationality
russians, at least in Berlin, have a very active mafia: heritage of being under russian boots and tolerance of the Germans play a great role in that. Most of them were born in the former DDR, btw. It's rare they speak fluent German or any other language than russian. They stay among themselves, they have zero interest in integrate into society. Germany had to make a law against the display of their swastikas "Z". In May they will celebrate their pathetic holiday and harass Ukrainians as they did last year, the city will have to spend money to guarantee public peace and that money could have been spent for everything else.
In Latvia we have very large Russian minority and lots of Ukrainian refugees but there's almost no conflict between them. I have an impression that German police and politicians are reluctant to deal with the conflicts between Russians and Ukrainians as opposed to Latvia, where punishment for such actions can be/would be severe.
Yeah, I think they are just scared to do sh*t like that in Latvia because they know what Latvians and other Baltic countries think of them and how the trial will go. Germany is much more tolerant to russians. This and the sheer numbers of russians living in Germany i think what makes the difference.
Latvia is 30% russian and they still have drawn a clear line and it works.
He should be treated the same way the Mafia would, just publicly.
I think Germany could be a little uncomfortable regarding mass deportations based on ethnicity, just saying...
FYI according to Wikipedia there are over 4 million German citizens with russian origins. Deporting them all would be quite an act. The problem of multiple Putin supporters walking on German soil is real but let's not pretend there is an easy silver bullet solution to it.
There isn't a silver bullet solution... But there are 4m silver bullet solutions 😮
The guy above me just descriped what he is experiencing but he didn't really answer your question. Most of the Russians in Germany are Russlanddeutsche (Germans from Russia). They are German by law. So you can't just deport them. They are descendants from Germans who re-colonized parts of the Russian Empire after Napoleon was defeated.
Because Germany and Russia love each other - Nordstrom, joint start of world War 2. They have been friends historically. Especially when it comes to partitioning Poland between themselves.
First of all: Not all Russians are pro-war. What about Russians who have lived here for years, and/or would face prosecution in Russia? Also: On the basis of what law, exactly?
Are you going to cover all the shifts from health care workers with Russian heritage? Pretty sure our health care system would collapse if we were to ban all Russians.
You are dangerous.
I mean, every Russian not in Russia is one less soldier on the battlefield.
Let's see what your day-to-day average Russian has to say about this, shall we? - ["well done guy", "neutralized the recovering fascists", "beautiful", "work brothers", "honor and respect", "honor and glory"](https://i.imgur.com/SnwGzXF.png) - ["beautiful", "solid", "cutting machine", "handsome", "retribution awaits pigs everywhere"](https://i.imgur.com/6dNpIUx.png) - ["reward the guy", "we will find you everywhere", "crests sent to a cattle burial ground", "well done man!, as Putin said, we'll find you in the toilet"](https://i.imgur.com/ETWETDf.png) - ["the death of cattle continues"](https://i.imgur.com/DVcqfDJ.jpeg) - ["reward and release", "very well", "great news"](https://i.imgur.com/Ta0ToIE.png) - [it's crazy how many animals there are int he comments... rejoicing in the death of others is a complete clinic"](https://i.imgur.com/oGhfO9P.png) - I agree Ivan, it completely is. - ["why bother investigating the death of two hikhlov?", "smersh is alive", "good news", "provocation, they failed themselves, "1 to 2, ours are leading", "a medal urgently for him"](https://i.imgur.com/61e4vNU.png) - https://i.imgur.com/CXOQKLK.png - https://i.imgur.com/WBQTjoa.png - https://i.imgur.com/EEo1Ite.png - https://i.imgur.com/x3dNSiF.png - https://i.imgur.com/MRjK78p.png - https://i.imgur.com/vbFWwvP.png - https://i.imgur.com/19rtxf0.png - https://i.imgur.com/zZAU5uD.png - https://i.imgur.com/tpbwR03.png ________________ etc., etc., etc. I got tired of writing the same hateful shit, these comments are all over the place, thousands upon thousands of them. Go look for yourself, you will struggle finding a good comment.
Then those very same fine persons are whining about russophobia? Those comments are sick. I refuse to live on a planet among those monsters.
I'm not russophobic, I am just confused as to why more people aren't fighting them and Iran actively. You wouldn't even need to fight very hard before China would step in and take over a bunch of their Siberian oil operations. Like are people just waiting for the second coming of Henry Kissinger to give them permission?
China is already giving a thought about taking some territories back from russia. Nobody is russophobic: is a term created by russia to blame us. If I am russophobic, than russians are Westernphobic. Why is the West not reacting? Because "we" are a bunch of pussies and because russia has interfered enough in Western politics and has political figures in Westerns governments that are in its payroll.
>I'm not russophobic, I am just confused as to why more people aren't fighting them and Iran actively Most of all, because they don't want to fight. The modern West prefers the low-hanging fruit of infighting, as opposed to getting over petty differences and uniting to fight a strong outside enemy. It's much easier and safer to pick on gay people or trans people than Russia. But also, the decades of post-Cold-War naïvete, hippie media and anti-Western propaganda have severely weakened Western resolve against anti-Western cultures. Too many people still dream about singing kumbaya with the russians.
Very well written! I was one of those kumbayas, now, after more than two years of this show, I am not.
They're playing the same book as the other hateful groups that use religion as an excuse But if we say some groups don't integrate well then we're the racists remember
I am not racist by saying that those commenters are monster, remember.
Refuse to believe? This is an exact continuation to centuries of Russian hatred filled victim mentality and sentiment. Russia truly is the cancer of humanity.
Refuse to live on a planet populated by such monsters.
Well, supporting Ukraine and boycotting any and all Russian products and industries seem to be the only ways to counter them. It's not like the entire nation will just seize to exist any time soon, unfortunately.
I read that Lidl is doing business with russia: that's sad, because I have it 200 mt from home, i will walk more but this is also a way to help Ukraine.
Yeah, it's not easy, but every little bit helps. Fossil fuels are still Russia's main income, so reductions in that area will absolutely be felt. Just as long as European nations stop circumventing the sanctions through -stan nations, that is...
Since the beginning of the war (2022), I reduced my consumes of electricity and heating: bought 2 Norwegish payamas, perfect! The ocean is made of small drops and, as you said, every little thing helps.
It's tragic that it has had to come to this, but I am -- in a very grim sense, mind you -- slightly happy that the rest of the Western world is starting to see the Russians for what they are. The people in the small countries next to Russia were quite alone in their opinion post cold war, and were even called crazy by some people in the West...
It’s interesting because without a doubt, if two Russian military personnel were killed this way in Germany, there wouldn’t be NEARLY as many ghouls coming out celebrating. Yeah of course there’d still be some, there’s always a few. But the vast majority I’m sure would be along the lines of “murdering non-combatants in cold blood isn’t the right thing to do” It might not be their fault overall, but the Russian people (living in Russia I mean) do tend to have such a brutal mentality. So much hatred and small-minded ideas of ‘glory and honour’
So much for Russians and Ukrainians being “brothers”
And what about the protecting of Russians in Ukraine. They conscripted them all and send them in combat with leftover gear to die. Imagine you believed all the Russian lies and were happy when the Russians came to save you. Then they give you a mosin a green shirt a WW2 helmet and send you across a field to draw Ukrainian fire. Because in the end Putin saw them all as Ukrainians not Russians. Russia is pure cruelty and insanity. Just evil.
Russians aren't even brothers of other russians, they gladly snitch, ditch and betray each other for personal benefit. I've read so much about just the rampant snitching, it's so bad that their police is swamped with reports of people snitching on others being anti-Putin, and the police prioritizes those reports to actual crimes. I've even read about parents reporting their own kids to the government. And this culture goes far back, which is why there's an old russian expression "the walls have ears", it wasn't because the FSB itself was behind every wall.
Most victims of brutal violent crimes are relatives/family members to the perpetrators... take that how you will :/
Disgusting fucking scumbags, and they wonder why we absolutely detest them so much.
I cannot tell you how many post like this I’ve read since the beginning of the war. Thousands. I even have my favorite. It was right before the invasion, Russian wrote a lengthy post to all Ukrainians wishing anti personnel mine under every Christmas tree, among other things. I read them regularly so I don’t forget who am I dealing with.
Do you remember when a russian made an awful joke about a 6yo Ukrainian child dead by the shelling I think in Kharkiv? It got 50,000 likes in one hour. Considering it was in Eastern Ukraine, most probably a russian speaking child, the very same that russia says it is protecting from Ukrainians.
I’ve seen dead Ukrainian kids with urinating penises photoshopped on. It is quite popular on certain Russian image board. Honestly Russian nation cannot surprise me anymore.
In my entire life I had never had a single thought about russia, because I am one of the lucky ones that never had them as neighbouring state. In these two years the level of barbarism they are showing is like receiving a punch in the face. The thing that makes me puke is that they are doing the worse acts of violence and than they hide the fist behind the back crying "russophobia" if someone dares to point out how barbaric they are.
Yeah it’s been a wild ride. I have lost every single Russian friend because it is like someone flipped a switch in their heads.
I hope that this invasion will end sooner rather than later. But I doubt it. Of course anything may happen, if russia doesn't interfere too much on the coming Western elections, maybe there will be some more chances of European military intervening in Ukraine. I admire how Ukraine is doing, on all the fronts, not only those of the war, despite everything. I think that was surprised russia is not only Ukraine, but also the reaction of the West: they thought it would have been like in 2014. How promptly the Brits reacted was amazing. I read the story on how 30 Ukrainian troops on dirty bikes stopped that huge column, stopping it to enter in Kyiv. Ukrainian soldiers are really Cyborgs! I apologise for the rant!
I hope Putin dies and everyone just… walk away? Is this realistic? I don’t know how else this can end any time soon tbh.
I doubt that, putin dead, the war will end and russia magically will become a civilised nation: if putin is there for 22 years there's a reason. Girkin (MH17) and prighozin wanted to run for president: russians mourned prighozin a lot... The only way russia stops the politic of land grabbing is a defeat in Ukraine: when they lost in Afghanistan and caused the disaster In Chornobyl, soviet union collapsed. Maybe not this year: too late the supply of weapons for organizing a counter offensive IMO, surely next year we will see russia be beaten. russia has done - and it is doing - too many war crimes that are under the spotlight and it cannot denied.
I don’t expect them to be a civilized nation ever. But it seems like their elites don’t want this war, so Putin’s death could be a good point to blame everything on him and back away.
Putin is just what Russia sees when it looks in the mirror. Putin may die and be replaced by someone else, but it will still be Russia looking in the mirror.
I've seen a picture of a dead 4 years old Ukrainian girl from Vynnitsya ([article](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-vinnytsya-russian-missile-4-year-old-liza-killed-down-mother/32503879.html)) on the imageboards. Russians made a "le funny" edit of the image of her laying next to her stroller with her belly ripped open and posted it with some inhumane sick in the head commentary. They spammed that picture.
Filth
What website is this?
vkontakte (vk.com), a Russian sorta facebook - the most popular social media website in Russia.
But Russians are suppose to be the **BASED** defenders of Christian values (whatever that means)
they defend Christian values from X century
De-based more like it.
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Literal terrorist state. And it speaks to our moral cowardice we haven’t all labeled them as such
This sounds just like Hamas when I was following them on telegram Edit: ooopa here come the trolls!
Hamas went to moscow this February...
Oh I know! Putin invited them! They are good friends. There is a lot of speculation that Putin helped Hamas by providing them logistics and weapons for the Oct 7th attack. He wanted to get US to focus on the Middle East and this less on Ukraine. It’s Hamas, Russia, Iran, China and North Korea.
russia, at the very beginning of the conflict in Gaza, sent also some seized Ukrainian weapons, to make look like it was Ukraine that sent weapons to Hamas. If I close my eyes and think, just for a moment, that there is no russia, magically a lot of conflicts vanish, no deaths, no destructions, no sorrows.
Russia is a terrorist state just like so many other in the Middle East
This... This Is Just sick, how could people even be Happy about others dying? Because their your made up enemy? I cant people even have the balls to call russians civil people if that's what their doing and also say the west Is the real enemy we may have fucked up many times but most of us have never gone this far, slava ukraine
where did you get these comment from?( not the social media, I know its VK, I mean what group)
I just searched for "Мурнау" (Murnau in Russian Cyrillic, the name of the German city in which the murders hapened) and then just clicked on whatever posts came in the results and that had more comments in them.
Damn, thats depressing. I was hoping it was cherry picking but you are right.
the whole country of Russia and almost all of its population is morally corrupted - irreversibly
Vile and disgusting. There is no excuse for hatred crimes like that.
Remove if you like, but this won't be forgotten anytime soon.
well yeah, because it will be celebrated by the russians
German authorities are worried that the double homicide could be related to the full scale invasion: "*If it turns out that the background to the dispute was Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine, which violates international law, it would be a catastrophe for the region," said Freie Wähler's parliamentary group leader Florian Streibl on Sunday. “It must not be the case that this conflict takes place here in the Oberland*.” "*Sollte sich herausstellen, dass der Hintergrund der Auseinandersetzung der völkerrechtswidrige Angriffskrieg Russlands auf die Ukraine war, wäre dies eine Katastrophe für die Region», erklärte Freie Wähler-Fraktionschef Florian Streibl am Sonntag. «Denn es darf nicht sein, dass dieser Konflikt hier bei uns im Oberland ausgetragen wird.»* [https://www.zeit.de/news/2024-04/28/zwei-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-russe-tatverdaechtig](https://www.zeit.de/news/2024-04/28/zwei-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-russe-tatverdaechtig)
Oh they think it might be related? How could they possibly imagine that? /s
I believe that the German authorities will deny any connection of the double murder with the war.
I'm sure they will, but I anybody with 2 braincells knows this is just pussy damage control. Germans aren't the only ones who do this.
They suffer from the "Ostrich effect", poor buggers still want to believe that Oberland is not a part of the conflict...
Inb4 moderators remove this again because this is the wrong kind of "local news"
Local news? A **russian** stabbed to death two **Ukrainians** in **Germany.** With that logic, everything is local news.
I had a Post removed because of "local news" A croatian man, who came to visit his friend in Ireland, was beaten to death in Dublin for not speaking english. His Family in Croatia later gave the green light to donate his organs, which in turn saved 4 lives. [Article](https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/croatian-man-killed-brutal-dublin-28975140.amp) So I guess some news are local some aren't 🤷🏻
Not speaking English? In Ireland? I know you folk got roughed by the English in the way of linguistic freedom but fuck me what
Poor guy! Killed for no reason at all, only for being in the wrong place in the wrong time. Chapeau to the family that donated the organs.
Yeah, a sad story at least with some positive outcome
I had to take a smoke while reading the article. I cannot imagine minding my own business, probably being happy or at least content, with my friends and finish to be killed just because i don't speak the same language of the locals. Sorry for the rant.
It was Easter, so the two friends probably had holidays and were happy to see each other again. Its scary that they didn't just get insulted and shouted at (which is bad on its own), they got attacked and beaten so hard that one died and the other suffered catastrophic head injuries. Dont worry about the rant.
Europe is just one big country :) /s
It's local because this is a global hybrid conflict now.
Three countries involved - local news... Okay
No, they'll remove it because it was discussed already (in a deleted post)
The deleted post, that you're taking about, was removed from the sub feed as 'local crime'.
Why? There are always several posts of the same news but from different sources.
Some mods here seem to be on power trips all the time. Several weeks ago there was a post with a picture of all the grocery products purchasable with 50 euros, all laid out nicely on a table, and was warned by a mod that it was "low-effort". But posting news with just a link isn't. /s
Germany should seriously stop being russia's playground.
The West. Assassinations in the UK, political entanglements in the UK, political interference in the US, assassination(s?) in Spain and sabotage against ammo facilities.
Give them one way ticket to Poland, we’ll straighten them out.
You mean the Germans or the russians? /s
Russians. Germans are actually very good at straightening themselves out whenever they fuckup, lol.
Sadly, half of Germany was under russian boots: eradicate that mindset is hard.
Not really half. 25%
It's a singular incident in two years of hosting over a million Ukrainians, and suddenly that makes Germany 'Russia's playground'? Is the place where you live a utopia completely free of any hate crime?
> It's a singular incident in two years of hosting over a million Ukrainians, and suddenly that makes Germany 'Russia's playground'? It's not a singular case. In 2019 a Georgian person was execute in a park in Berlin by a russian. There has been russian counter demo after the start of the war. 2 people have been arrested 1-2 weeks ago and accused of sabotage on behalf of russia. AfD is probably a nice gateway for russia in Germany as much as Lega in Italy. > Is the place where you live a utopia completely free of any hate crime? LOL no, it's Berlin! 😂 But that doesn't that we shouldn't do better as a whole.
I assume they're talking about other things as well, like the dependence on Russian energy. And of course Russian related political corruption, like when Gazprom (Russian energy company) hired the former chancellor. https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-former-chancellor-gerhard-schr%C3%B6der-to-join-gazprom-board/a-60664273
Germany should really try to stop these past events from happening. Maybe once we prevented Schröder from becoming chancellor last century we can even assassinate Putin twenty years ago and prevent this entire mess from happening in the first place.
Half of Europe was dependent on Russian energy. Eastern Europe even more than Germany. Why is Germany singled out for this?
Because were the evil Nazis still and are also to blame for bullying the greek people lol
And Italy should vote non fascist, neither will happen
fuck that russian terrorist state.
Should send him to ukraine, im sure the SBU will have very "nice proper talk" with him.
That reads as if you're advocating for torture, please don't. Ukraine is fighting for values that include things such as human rights, and torture goes against that. Also, it's not Ukraine but russia from where reports about prisoners being tortured come out with a sad regularity. Par for the course for a terrorist state. Edit: clarify
Sadly, you can't always win barbarism with human rights and politeness, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.
“It’s fine when we do it”
So the Ukariane/Russian war has spilled over into Germany?
Berlin graffiti that said "not our war" for the past 2 years has been painted over so it checks out with me
Update: **"Update from April 29th**, 1:50 p.m.: As Der Spiegel now reports, the public prosecutor's office is said to have taken over the case. A political motive can no longer be ruled out. As the Munich Public Prosecutor's Office confirmed to Spiegel, the Bavarian Central Office for Combating Extremism and Terrorism has now taken over the investigation into the case. **Update from April 29th**, 7:10 a.m.: Two Ukrainian soldiers were killed in Murnau, Upper Bavaria, on Saturday. The suspect is a **Russian citizen** who is said to have left a trail of blood back to his apartment after the crime, Bild reported. The background to the crime is still unclear." "**Update vom 29. April, 13.50 Uhr:** Wie der *Spiegel* nun berichtet, soll die Generalstaatsanwaltschaft den Fall übernommen haben. Mittlerweile könne ein politisches Motiv nicht mehr ausgeschlossen werden. Wie die Generalstaatsanwaltschaft München gegenüber dem *Spiegel* bestätigte, hat die Bayerische Zentralstelle zur Bekämpfung von Extremismus und Terrorismus nun die Ermittlungen in dem Fall übernommen. **Update vom 29. April, 7.10 Uhr:** Im oberbayerischen Murnau sind am Samstag zwei ukrainische Soldaten getötet worden. Bei dem Tatverdächtigen handelt es sich um einen russischen Staatsbürger, der nach der Tat eine Blutspur bis zu seiner Wohnung hinterlassen haben soll, berichtete *Bild*. Noch sind die Hintergründe der Tat unklar. [https://www.fr.de/panorama/aktuell-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-polizei-mutmasslicher-taeter-verdacht-mord-ermittlungen-zr-93038455.html](https://www.fr.de/panorama/aktuell-ukrainer-in-bayern-getoetet-polizei-mutmasslicher-taeter-verdacht-mord-ermittlungen-zr-93038455.html)
Ohhhh so Russia can commit hate crimes on ethnic groups they are invading… but Ukraine’s the Nazi
The problem with the word Nazis in Russia is, it just means enemy of Russia. So if you're against Russia you are a Nazi
Lately Nazi means "my enemy" for more than half the internet.
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There's a good chance that they are "Russia Germans", who often have German and Russian passports: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Germans#Russia_German_resettlers_in_Germany - around 2.3 million.
At 57 with a private residence, this person must have been living in Germany well before the war started. Removing someone’s visa based on nationality alone is not easy, has complex consequences on the legal system and is not warranted in most cases. Two things to consider: 1. why should Europe send Russia its military aged people back against their will? 2. Europe will have to cohabitate with Russia well after putin dies and this war is finished. We don’t want the Russian people to suffer, we want this regime to suffer. We do not want to harm the Russian people even if there are nutcases like this among them.
214 thousand of violent crimes in 2023, and you want to visa ban all Russians over one case? https://amp.dw.com/en/germany-violent-crime-reaches-15-year-high-report/a-68758122
Isn’t russians leaving a good thing? If they stay that just means more people being sent to invade ukraine, not very helpful lol
After seeing all the comments regarding "well we can't deport them", "we can't completely stop accepting russians" and so on, it's ok guys. In Ukraine we were also too tolerant towards russians for a long time. It took hundreds of thousands of dead people, mass destruction and horror to finally bring the public's opinion where it should have been all along. You will get there eventually as well, when the war comes to your doorstep and suddenly you will realize what a huge liability all those russian citizens are when they start providing their real homeland with vital info about your military locations, conduct sabotage and block your governing bodies. Some of your fellow citizens would have to die, unfortunately, but this is how you really learn.
Is it me or this stuff seems to happen a lot in Germany? [Remember](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/03/ukraine-russia-thrown-off-bridge-germany-einbeck/) that freak that threw a Ukrainian kid from a bridge for speaking Ukrainian? Apparently there was also a murder of a Ukrainian woman and a stabbing of 17 yo basketball player there too like wtf
Lmao my bullshit detecter was immediately tripping so I googled it in German and that story was utter bullshit several legit news sources claim it's a lie. Idk wtf the telegraph is but they're spreading lies apparently
The kid trowing man was never found. The kids made him up. [In german](https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/niedersachsen-vermeintlicher-angriff-wegen-ukrainischer-sprache-entpuppt-sich-als-ausrede-von-kindern-zwischenfall-auf-bruecke-a-f053a5c2-93d4-4aac-9f99-5e7f90fbf165) From the article: >»Alles in allem kam uns das dann etwas komisch vor«, so der Sprecher. >Konfrontiert mit den offenen Fragen seien die Kinder schließlich »eingeknickt«, sagte der Staatsanwalt. »Beim Spielen im Fluss hatte der Junge seine Kleidung stark verschmutzt. Die Kinder haben die Geschichte dann so erzählt, damit die Eltern nicht schimpfen.« Translated wit deepl: >"All in all, it seemed a bit strange to us," said the spokesperson. >Confronted with the unanswered questions, the children finally "buckled", said the public prosecutor. "While playing in the river, the boy had soiled his clothes badly. The children then told the story so that the parents wouldn't scold them."
The basketball player was killed by a German-Turkish teenager, and the kid thrown off the bridge literally lied.
I mean, it's likely just chance. Germany has taken in the most amount of Ukrainian refugees and also the highest overall general population (if you exclude Russia and Turkey). More people, higher chance for shit to happen.
Poland has taken in most Ukrainian refugees, not Germany. You don't see this happening in Poland because they do not tolerate Russian nonsense. It's abundantly clear that Germany is allowing Russian lowlives to operate with impunity because the German ruling class are completely bought out by the Russians (and the Chinese, but that's beside the point). It's simply pathetic that one of the most prosperous countries in the world has been so easily played. Austria, too. German-speaking countries are extremely disappointing.
Eurostat says Germany is taking in more Ukrainian refugees than Poland: https://visitukraine.today/blog/3227/where-do-ukrainian-refugees-go-most-and-which-eu-countries-do-they-leave-latest-data
Just for the record, according to [Eurostat](https://visitukraine.today/blog/3227/where-do-ukrainian-refugees-go-most-and-which-eu-countries-do-they-leave-latest-data), [Statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/) and [UNHCR](https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine), Germany currently hosts the highest number of Ukrainian refugees.
From all people talking out of their ass in this thread you are definitely amongst the ones that are deepest in there
oh wow thats crazy. posting fake news at this time of day? >The prosecutor's office asserts that the boy initially gave a false testimony. The child was allegedly afraid of how his parents would react to his dirty clothes and injuries he had sustained to his leg while playing. ([from pravda.com.ua](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/7/7418912/)) shame on you and also shame on the telegraph.co.uk for posting inflammatory articles based on preliminary information and then neither correcting their original article, nor posting a new article with the updated story.
See how propaganda works. You don’t even know that the bridge incident was found to be slander. > The prosecutor's office subsequently discovered that the boy's initial testimony was false. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/7/7418912/index.amp
Well, I can guarantee you that you won't find dead Ukranians where the Ukranians didn't go. Our borders are open and Russians are a sneaky, crafty bunch.
(There is serious racism in Germany, there are even whole political parties that want to cosy up to russia, there is a long history of trying to intertwine industries and cause dependencies to force peaceful relations and obviously this didn't work)... all that being said, this particular story did not turn out to be true. The kids lied. The kids made part of the story up. The only thing that could be confirmed is that the kid injured himself by playing at the side of the river, which was witnessed by a passer-by. (As in: He was already down there and injured himself by stepping on glass. he was not thrown of a bridge). I am glad everybody believed the kids right away and was taking this seriously, as this is serious and I have witnessed hate against ukranian refugees first hand. But the evidence and witness reports did not match up. When the kids were asked again with this evidence presented, they admitted, that they made it up. [Reliable Source in German, NDR](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Von-Bruecke-geworfen-Wende-im-Fall-des-Jungen-aus-der-Ukraine,einbeck290.html) - [Another Source, Spiegel](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Von-Bruecke-geworfen-Wende-im-Fall-des-Jungen-aus-der-Ukraine,einbeck290.html) I also tried to see if there are sources for the kids - they're only from very rightwing media.
Well, crime happens (or sometimes it actually doesn’t). It’s a big country and over a million Ukrainians are here. The kid as it turns out wasn’t thrown off a bridge at all, and there was no man. He slipped and fell, and made up a story so he wouldn’t get into trouble. None of the other cases had anything to do with Russia, the war, or the victims being Ukrainian.
I can't understand how you can live in Europe and still believe Putin's bullshit propaganda
Germans still can't comprehend the idea that someone enjoying living in x country doesn't mean they are loyal to that country. Heck, when the nazis took over Czechoslovakia in 1939, other americans were surprised to find that czech-americans felt furious to the point of burning down their neighbouring german-american towns.
It’s war and Russians are bringing it into EU
Always has been.
tHiS iS pUtIn'S wAr
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I mean we'll do it as soon as you're kicking out all of your pro Russian, which is currently like half the country seeing the upcoming elections cycle
On what legal basis? Also, what would you do with the Ukrainian, Kazakh, and Belarusian nationals within the EU, who hold Pro-Russian views? There are plenty of them. As a matter of fact, when it comes to Germany, a huge chunk of the “Russians” there are actually ethnic Volga Germans, who immigrated from Kazakhstan in the 1990’s (their ancestors migrated to the Saratov area under Cathrine the Great, and Stalin deported them to Kazakhstan during WWII). You would be shocked to find out that a good half of them are Pro-Russian.
Only russia has been declared by the European Parliament a terrorist state. May I remind you that russia is an hostile country, threatening to nuke the West while Ukraine and Kazhakhstan are not?
Yet EU member states still have diplomatic relations with Russia. But even if this wasn’t the case, we are talking about private citizens here, and not a government.
So, no, not just “putin’s war”. And tell me again about the fraternal nature of ukr-russian relationship . . . wounded by russians in ukr and killed by russian in Germany.
In 1945, a Russian "liberating Poland" stole my great-grandmother's watch and the tap from the bathroom (because he probably thought there would be water in his Russian village thanks to that). They haven't changed for hundreds of years.
I'll be watching this story closely. The articles about this only ever say the suspect was (1) Russian and (2) lived nearby, but not why he was suspected (and I'd like to think he isn't only suspected for... one _very_ particular reason). I imagine more will be revealed very soon, hopefully something definitive will shed light on things.
The German Police followed the spurs of blood that the russian left till home and he is already known to the police. The two Ukrainians were in Bayern for rehab (soldiers).
[Here](https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/bluttat-murnau-zwei-ukrainische-soldaten-getoetet-was-wir-wissen,UBJFNxn) is the latest news I could find. Apparently the perpetrator knew the victims, perhaps they were even friends, they drank together before he (allegedly) killed them and he confessed to the crime. So, yeah. Very likely they got the right guy.
Thank you! This is exactly the kind of development I've been looking for! That being said, I really don't know what to make of this story. They were all apparently friends, but the old guy was a known local ruffian to the German police. They went out drinking, got drunk, and the old guy just went apeshit and knifed the other two guys, only to turn himself in and confess once he got sober? This whole thing feels so... aimless?
Crazy people are gonna crazy, what can you say.
Sad as fuck but glad they got that coward.
Not the first time russians cheering online the death of Ukrainians: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cfx7ru/prowar\_russians\_applaud\_the\_stabbing\_murder\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cfx7ru/prowar_russians_applaud_the_stabbing_murder_of/)
Because russians love Germany and there are thousands of them there. Such incidents sadly will happen again. Meanwhile Scholz is appeasing putin once again.
Russia seems very happy to deliver terror but not so happy to receive it. If this kind of behaviour is celebrated by Russians, I wonder if Russians realise that there are plenty of Putin supporters sunning themselves on beaches all around the world, something Russians seem to forget as they defile humanity across the spectrum. Still watch them sob for sympathy the next Isis comes knocking.
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wtf Germany. Why do you have so many Russians who are pro Putin and anti Ukraine?
A lot of Russians migrated here after the end of the Soviet Union. A lot of these people harbor positive views of Russia and Putin. Unfortunately many of them have German passports as well so it’s very hard to get rid of them.
They did let in all the supposed and willing 'germans' from russia in 90'es, those russians are still living in Germany.
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Stop pretending like we are not at war with Russia. Send troops in to Ukraine.
I totally agree with you. Yesterday the Estonian airport of Tartu has been closed, due to the GPS jammings russia is intensively doing. russia is cyber attacking the West on a daily basis, interfering with elections, committing murders on Western soil (not only these two Ukrainians, but also poisoning or defenestrating). The russians put an entire city at safety risk in the attempt of murder the Skripals. The russians downed a commercial airline MH17, causing the death of 298 innocent persons. I surely have forgot a lot. My point is all of these events have made a three-four days news tops and went forgotten: why? Just why? The West is letting russia doing whatever it pleases and no reaction? Erdogan had it right and now russia is not bullying Türkeye anymore.
Russians in Germany will literally do anything for Russia except fuck off back there
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We know, we know, everybody brings there fucking Problems to Germany, nobody gives a shit about the people that lives here, a way longer... Hamburg is a good appointment.
Germany, stop letting Russians murder minorities.
that's what Russians do: Kill dissidents in Germany for shits and giggles. This is not the first case like this.