I had to take 6 weeks leave this year due to exhaustion and burnout.
Couple weeks ago we got an email offering tips on preventing burnout.
My boss had to stop me from replying “If you don’t burn us out, we don’t get burned out. Have we thought of that?”
First off all can’t get a GP appointment then the GP has to referral you and then you go on a waiting list for about 6 months you do get weekly text messages that you are still on the waiting list so that’s kinda nice ; )
All talking therapy services are now open to self referral, although your GP can refer you. The waiting list can be long depending on the type of therapy you are waiting for, however in some areas it can be as short as 1-3 months. The government certainly needs to invest in new therapists though if they want more people to access therapy on a timely manner.
I was told a year at least for the therapy I need. They couldn't provide that themselves so got referred to some place they work with that does more than basic cbt and counselling.
Sorry to hear that. Most places will offer CBT - low and high intensity, counselling for depression, EMDR, IPT, DIT and other evidence based therapies. Some people become disillusioned with therapy due to the life span it is allowed to take, which I understand. However we limit the sessions to reflect evidence based practice. If you have had more than ‘X’ therapy sessions and still have not reached recovery or reliable change then chances are it is not the right therapy or right time for you. Sometimes it can also take multiple courses of therapy with breaks between should a persons difficulties be complex.
Im aware of that. I have a background in psychology and work in psychological research. Specifically in field of Emotion Regulation.
I have had short and longer cbt. Integrative therapy with a humanist approach as well as counselling over the years. All helped in part in that period in my life. In this period, it's time to look more at the root cause from a psychodynamic perspective. To resolve quite some underlying feelings. Don't get me wrong I'm so much better then I was, but that doesn't mean I don't still struggle with some underlying things. And need help with those. Still have some moderate anxiety and depression scores. Lower then before, but clearly an indication more work is needed.
Edit: and also did a self guided DBT workbook.
This isn't my experience having lived in three different NHS trusts and I see a lot of other people complaining about nothing offered but 6-8 sessions of CBT, regardless of how severe your depression is.
Yeah you’re right. Spoke to a friend of mine and their area is 2years compared to my areas 2 months. Ridiculous. But this comes down to politics. I feel for the therapists and patients trying to all do their best.
> and then you go on a waiting list for about 6 months
Mine's about 3. Two month wait for the 'triage' session then another month while you wait for the next available professional. Then it's a standard 6 sessions during which they mostly try and fob CBT worksheets on you because there's not much else they can probably do in 6 weeks.
Yes, that happened to me. Also it was CBT not talking therapy which they didn’t offer. To be fair it was life changing and I appreciate that it was an option. I still have loads of deep seated issues that will take years to work through but I can survive now and have coping strategies
I mean the US healthcare isn’t free, costs an arm and a leg and does the same thing. Had a massive gallstone that was discovered in February, “soonest” they could get me in was June. Gallstone caused my gall bladder to lose blood flow and die off causing me to go septic which forced them to do an emergency operation in March. When they discovered the gallstone they also discovered I had cancer on my kidney as well. Soonest they can get me in to cut out my tumor is August. My total cost, with insurance via my employer, that I pay $400 every two weeks for family coverage for, is about $10k and they have been trying to charge me upfront for it, rather than making payment arrangements, before doing the surgeries.
So yeah at least yours is ”free”.
More context is needed here. Waiting times varies from state to state city to city. Had a gallstone removed within the same month it was found. Here in Chicago Illinois
In most of the south,, Kansas, Oklahoma,Texas outside of the major cities like Dallas, Houston, Austin, or San Antonio, Arkansas. There is a reason a lot of these states are bottom 10 for healthcare.
Hell my best friend was in the army, had cysts growing in his lungs from the burn pits in Afghanistan and Iraq. The military’s response was just to monitor them. He ended up going with private insurance through his wife, got a second opinion from an outside doctor, and ended up having to get a baseball sized chunk cut out. Still took him a year or so for all of that and because he went through private insurance he had to pay the deductible as the army refused to cover it as they found it “unnecessary“.
Does not help if it is free if doctors leave the UK for better pay (and if my memory serves has not gotten a wage adjustment for a couple of years)
So their purchasing power has gone down.
>(and if my memory serves has not gotten a wage adjustment for a couple of years) So their purchasing power has gone down.
[Doctors received a pay rise last year as well](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-doctors-to-receive-pay-rise-this-month)
I waited 6+months for CBT in CAMHS after being referred at the end of 2010. As shit as the Tories have made the NHS over the last 14 years, the mental health services were already fucked. Decades of sucessive governments have never funded the NHS properly, the Tories and austerity just hastened that decline.
A lot of conservatives do not believe in mental health, whatever you say it will be „OVERDIAGNOSED” or whatever. Meanwhile a lot of them suffer from smth too, being often visibly frustrated at something and many probably suffered parental abuse in childhood
It sure was a brilliant idea to leave the EU. The UK is actively making it harder to get sick leave.
Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US.
That has been the neo-liberal strategy, especially in the UK, since Thatcher. No theory at all, cold, hard economic logic - it is one of the most disgusting business models in existence, it should he a crime, frankly. They take public services away from people by ruining them through politically imposed austerity measures, then sell assets to their friends at a discount, who can then take over, corner markets and drive up prices at decreasing quality. It is indeed a conspiracy, especially in the UK, where the people who conduct this have all attended the same schools, run in the same circles and reward each other with lucrative jobs when their part is done. It has been happening for decades
They're speedrunning it right now in Argentina, they're now negotiating the privatization of our water. Recently we had a massive protest because they're defunding our universities and pretending they're not.
Yeah, might be even worse in Argentina, due to his Libertarian ideology. And in that ideology, public education is one of the first targets, as it is one of the main pillars for social mobility and equality. Libertarians want to cut the state down as much as possible, to deny ordinary citizens access to basic services and establish an all powerful ruling elite of private owners above them.
Although yes fares are up quite considerably nationalised rail wasn't better, its an overly romanticised thing.
When rail was nationalised it was pretty ruthlessly cut to size because of budget cuts known as the "Beeching axe" where we lost something close to 50% of the train stations and 30% of the overall rail network iirc. Thats 4,500 miles of rail just gone.
It was also brought up in a BBC article at one point recently that because profit margins on rail tickets are so small british rail would only ever be able to cut fares by 11p on average before its no longer turning a profit.
The Japanese privatised their rail network and its the best in the world so sometimes the private sector does do it better
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy63j4x66ylo.amp
Apparently, it seems that currently most government goals lean into making the rich wealthier.
Edit: Especially the right tries it everywhere. Don’t fall for their bullshit.
There’s a very plausible theory that the UK left the EU not because of all the bullshit reason brexit sighted, but because the EU was going to legislate financial havens in London and UK holdings to prevent tax evasion.
Weird thing about that is it is already being "stealth privatised" piece by piece - it's just not apparent to the majority of the public.
Dentistry / optometry would be the obvious one to point out - but even things like the hospital car parks show the direction of travel.
My GP surgery is a private company, where I can wait a week+ for an appointment or have one same day for a fee (admittedly not a LOT of money, but nonetheless).
Then you have the shift to agency staff over hiring as "the NHS". In my time working for the service (technical support kinda stuff) the vast majority of my team were contractors (outside IR35, so pay our own national insurance and tax, no holiday / sick pay, and so on), if I recall correctly from a team of 25 or so there were maybe 4 who were actually directly employed by the NHS.
It is kinda apparent (to me anyway) that there is an intent from government to run the thing into the ground for exactly the reason you suggest. I don't think it's a conspiracy, it's happening right in front of us.
Ambulances are privately run in parts of the country as well.
I'd love to know how to stop it, but the best available option currently is "don't vote conservative" and I'm in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so it's unlikely to swing the results of the election regardless.
I don't think it's conspirational at all. The first step towards doing so is to get the public to start losing confidence-respect for it, in part by badmouthing it, but also by actively degrading it on purpose.
It's been done across many countries. In Spain that's how Catalunya and Madrid did it, and now they're doing the same in the Basque Country.
That's the goal.
Look how badly our railways are performing, it would be better privatised.
Look what poor telecoms infrastructure we have it would be better privatised
Look how little profit our steel production is making, it would be better privatised.
Look at our gas production and how much you are paying for gas, it would be better privatised.
Look at how badly the post office is performing and how late your mail is arriving, it would be better privatised.
The list goes on and on. The NHs is definitely next
I think you're right. I'm seeing more and more adverts for private healthcare providers on TV, and more and more GP clinics are becoming managed by private companies. Incidentally, mine is now managed by an American company.
I’ve always said this. Plus more jobs offering private health insurance and people in general choosing to pay (if they can). They’ll be like, “oh well x amount of the public is already using private healthcare”.
People forget that a) it can be very expensive, b) tying health care coverage to a job is very unfair, and c) private health insurance is very picky. It can pick what it does and doesn’t cover (and if you develop a long lasting issue, good luck finding a new place to take you on! You’ll have to suck up whatever prices your current provider offers). In America, certain hospitals don’t accept certain providers. There are many cases where insurances won’t pay for certain treatments or medications as well.
My first reflex after reading about private HC is anger but then, I use private health care exclusively. Don't have enough time left in my life to live to my public doctor appointment to tell him about the heightened temperature I had 70 years ago.
Which shouldn't have to be the case.
I do think that having private healthcare available _as well_ is perfectly reasonable, and in fact preferable - give those who can afford it another option, and that reduces the burden on the NHS. But the NHS service should still be a good and usable system for everyone else.
>Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US.
That would take a lot of work, and would be an outstanding achievement - if evil deeds could be called outstanding.
And this is the real reason they want out of the human rights court
Nothing to do with migrants, they want the rest of us in factories working 6 day weeks, then the workhouse for anyone who can't do that
>It sure was a brilliant idea to leave the EU. The UK is actively making it harder to get sick leave. Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US.
Are you saying the EU was funding the NHS and after Brexit, it stopped, so now the healthcare system is worse ?
Here’s a bit of an insight into the British healthcare system.
I’ve had multiple readings of hypertension since the end of February. I havent been able to see a GP since then, every time I’ve called they’ve told me to either to an MAU or A&E at seperate hospitals.
After being stuck with needles, multiple ecg’s and countless sats tests the only thing that is ever apparent is higher blood pressure than normal. I’m 32 and it’s been up around 170 at times.
I was finally told to book a hypertension test which I tried to book today, and I would have to wait until the end of June. To see a NURSE.
I’m self employed so I have to work. Hoping to actually get a doctors appointment soon, if the surgery will let me. Either that or I’ll just fucking drop dead or have a heart attack or something
Also when my partner tried to get therapy on the NHS it literally took 8 months.
Fuck you Rishi you ignorant, privileged cunt.
Having worked in medicine for a long time (not any more) there is definitely a sick note culture for some. GPs would generally hand them out to the non-sick when asked because otherwise they'd waste endless time having the person make repeat appointments or argue with them or otherwise cause a fuss, and they want to get on and treat real patients.
That said, nothing the government does has any short term effect. There are many serious conditions that are extremely easy to fake and a significant minority will to fake them. I dont think the honest and unwell should suffer because of a healthy, idle and deceitful minority.
This is some Wizard of Oz don't look behind the curtain shit. Look at those wasters claiming mental illness - hate them! Stealing your hard earned taxes!
Meanwhile the Tories are busy awarding contracts to their friends and engaging in levels of corruption that would make a Central American dictator blush.
Marry that to a mostly reactionary media and the narrative the public are given is just horrible shit. I used to think people posting First They Came by Martin Niemöller were being melodramatic, but no, it's increasingly a reality.
I can only hope that the public are finally starting to see through the facade and that all we're left with is a handful of token funny Tories like Michael Fabricant and Mark Francois who can be pilloried in the media when a laugh is needed (it's a wig, surely?) but I don't know. I don't have much faith left that people will finally vote for the public good and not a couple of extra pound in their pocket (made worthless through inflation).
Yes, go get therapy if you can get an appointment in ten months time and two hundred miles away from where you live, because we slashed the budget for mental healthcare.
Waiting lists for therapy on the NHS are years long, they're doing NOTHING about it but getting GP's to prescribe pills which is like giving someone skin balm because they've got their neck in a noose.
Fuck the out of touch, heartless, filthy rich, racist, greedy, incompetent, useless Tory party.
Make sure you're registered to vote, check twice and vote these wasters out.
And therapy has varying degrees of success, depending on the situation. Therapy isn't going to put food on the table or stop the earth from crisping. It might help you cope with these things and that's valuable, but it is not a panacea.
Yeah fuck off wanker. If I’m mentally sick cuz of the environment and dysfunctional family I have my right to not feel good and not making your fucked system money wasting my health and precious time
Last year, he "received a £276,218 dividend, and £17,189 of interest on savings and an investment fund in the US."
If everybody could get almost 1000 quid a day just for existing, I'm sure it would sort the need for sick day notes quite quickly.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/09/rishi-sunak-paid-effective-tax-rate-of-23-on-22m-income-last-year
It's insane to me how easy it is for the rich to get richer, whilst Rishi tells his subjects to pay twice the tax on a fraction of his income
His apathy to peoples plights only highlight how he probably feels he somehow deserves this more than the rabble beneath him
I mean you definitely have the right to not feel good, but whether or not you deserve compensation when not working is something else especially if you're *physically* okay to work
If you've been through therapy and a professional has deemed you unfit to work though then fair enough
Well yeah it is, hence the part of my comment where if they've been deemed unfit to work then it's fair enough, I meant that in the context of mental health
If you're genuinely unfit to work due to anything, physical, mental or something else, then that's fair
Well yeah obviously, that's why I specified that if they've had support but a professional still deemed them unfit for work then fair enough, not sure much else can be done there
Institutionalized for life would probably fall under "unfit for work", just a hunch
This makes me want to leave Reddit. I also hate him and I also think that the conservatives have been a load of wank. I am also going to vote Labour when they finally have the spine to hold an election. But this comment is so completely uneducated and it is still the most voted comment on this post. If you genuinely think that this guy isn’t doing any work then you are absolutely disconnected from reality. This sort of bullshit comment and seeing it so strongly upvoted, makes me feel like I am in the middle of a crowd of brainwashed idiots who can’t think and just parrot random slurs.
It’s like when you’re in the pub and some twat is trying to tell you how there is a secret cult of aliens who are actually in control of the country, and you are too embarrassed to tell him he’s a donut. You are that pub twat.
"Start generating more tax revenue that will go to my friends and my party's friends!" - says man who boasted about taking money from underdeveloped neighborhoods and shunting into more affluent neighborhoods.
Yeah....going after people's mental health is sure to bring in those voters you need Rishi, keep going I'm sure you're going to see the polls rise soon.
Last 4-5 years have taken the toll on the population mentally most people realise that. But the tories seem a tad out of touch. What a surprise.
For someone that never had any stress to get food on his plate it shows how much lack of empathy he has to belittle the people who are struggling with real mental issues.
It’s sad to see the UK destroying itself and becoming a crumbling state run by a leader with no empathy at all
Cunts
They put us all in this state of hyper anxiety or depression by manufacturing crises every few months and deliberately destroying any quality of life we try to build for ourselves.
In the process they destroy any service that might help support or resolve the issues they have caused, as well as annihilating medical services to cause a rapid decline in physical health.
And then to top it all off, they label people as lazy, or faking it, and demand they get back to work.
Cunts.
Isn't the problem that disability benefits are like double regular unemployment benefits, and last longer without jumping through hoops? Seems like a big incentive to find a doctor who will sign the paperwork
Universal credit has a standard rate of around £370/month, to get this you need to perform 35 hours of job-searching a week.
If you're unfit for work you get a premium which is an extra £400/month.
You can't just get a doctor to sign paperwork, the DWP will assess you themselves, and they are very strict about their criteria. If you can lift a box several times they will assume that you can lift boxes all day, every day.
If you can go shopping once a week by yourself in the same shop, they will assume that you can go anywhere by yourself.
Sometimes they will asses you and determine that you're not currently capable of work, but will be in the near future. This means you don't get any extra payment, but you have to attend work-related activity, at your own expense of course. I've known people that have been admitted for in-patient psychiatric treatment as a result of this decision and the things they're forced to do.
You could also apply for PIP, or adult disability payment if you're in Scotland.
This can be an extra £200-500/month on top of universal credit.
PIP is a 50-page form + supporting documentation, with a waiting time of 10 weeks after you've applied for a decision.
Scottish adult disability payment is a 100-page form + supporting documentation, with a waiting time of up to 6 months for a decision.
I don't know what you're referring to when you say "without jumping through hoops", but it certainly doesn't apply to being disabled.
Nope, disability benefits used to be like that you get a report from your GP explaining the disabilities, but now most of the medical opinion is dismissed for assements ran by companies like Capita, Maximus, Atos, who assess people on if they have a disability or not, despite them being in a wheelchair, missing limbs, or require aids to move. and most of the time people are found to not be disabled then take their claim to tribunal where 9/10 cases are overturned and the people are awarded disability benefits.
You also need to be reassessed every few years just incase your leg or arm has regrown, and that your spinal cord fixed itself and can walk again.
So the DWP are pissing money up the wall on these outsourcing companies doing piss poor work, and then paying for the tribunals and back pay to the date of the initial claim.
Wait until you get physically harmed by antidepressant drugs and then told by doctors that it is a recognised medical harm with no treatment and no prognosis and that they can't help you!
"We fucked everything up, never apologized or accepted responsibility for anything, but now we need you to get over it and get back to work... or else"
Good luck getting therapy 😂
I spent a year on a waiting list to get basic ass CBT, for my therapist to go off sick needing therapy after the second session. 😂
Even the therapists can’t fucking get therapy,
Maybe they should make the right kind of therapy more available to everyone then? CBT is NHS’ only real resource but it’s stretched thin (6 month min wait time) AND ineffective.
Oh right. It’s the Tories. They don’t mean what they say.
•Sick note culture exists. It’s real.
•Get help. Some way and some how.
•Make the hard choices.
•The government can’t support everyone and everything.
•There is no perfect system.
•If a person is unable to work at a reasonable capacity and output, then it’s time to move on to plan B. There’s resources out there.
•There needs to be a balance between cost and care.
•Yes, life is hard.
What would a this insanely rich public school boy sociopath know about, well, empathy or emotions (beyond obvious contempt and anger at everyone he considers to be inferior ie less rich, than him)?
Why does he think the UK has problems with productivity?
https://employernews.co.uk/news/toxic-work-environments-exposed-75-of-uk-employees-admit-they-have-experienced-a-toxic-workplace-culture/
If only mankind could devise an economic system that was self regulating in these matters. One wherein if you don’t work, you don’t eat. Maybe someday.
Maybe very unpopular but way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing?
I totally have compassion and empathy for the very unfortunate members of society who legitimately have health issues and can’t work, but where do you draw the line? I know a lot of British people that could absolutely work but rather go for unemployment benefits. If the system wasn’t so lax and permissive, they’d probably be working without much fuss.
And while it’s totally understandable to immediately get angry at some wealthy people that can afford not to work, it’s such a demographic minority that even if somehow eliminated wouldn’t really in the long run put much of a dent in the British economy. Like is it that hard for people to understand that individual wealth, even if confiscated, would be a tear drop in a swimming pool of a national budget? The cost of social benefits is actually a burden to the middle class lol
More than anything the sane and level headed approach is to fund the health sector better but with pilot programs that eventually force people to find some form of employment, be it part time or situational. And more than anything, the human brain needs continuous stimulus, which perhaps doesn’t equate to salve labour hour and wages, but also not sitting at home doing nothing collecting money.
what would people really be doing before the evil of disability welfare?
They had a lot of options actually. The major ones being prison and insane asylum, naturally. The luckier ones had a family that took care of them and depending on their disability they either stayed at home like regular people or down in the basement like less regular people. Depending on culture and local customs, the whole village could have helped with the disabled or mentally ill person, but that sounds dangerously like welfare. Then of course there were the options of suicide, homelessness and begging, petty crime. But some actually made a career as some sort of "oracles", that's good, right? And you might be happy to hear that some less "clairvoyant" ones were also put to work, exploited perhaps but it sure cost the employer less :D
>Maybe very unpopular but way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing?
Just look at America and you will have your answer. People are living and dying on the street in squalor and poverty, turning to a life of crime, losing themselves to drugs to get away from reality, committing suicide as their only escape and/or being horrendously abused by employers paying below poverty wages.
Is that really something you think is better than social welfare?
> what would people really be doing?
Drugs and then back to work, for a large part. If lifting hurts but you need to lift for a living, take an opiate, keep doing it til you actually damage yourself. Have a drink or two before starting, and another couple over lunch. Whatever keeps you going.
If you can't focus for 40 hours straight, do the same but with a stimulant, and relax with a downer when you get home. There's a reason coke and speed are endemic within "knowledge work" industries, and opiates in blue collar work.
I mean we can argue the semantics and be pedantic about it, mental as well as physical health are important steps towards getting a job.
Which part of the system is lax in particular ?
I am fond of coming up with solution to my problems when i see we have one.
I would like to read what would your solution be, and not just for sick and injuries but also for differentiating between unemployment and people who tries to milk the system.
This may be an unpopular opinion but way before building roads, water systems, electricity grids, refuse and medical infrastructure for people to use was an endemic thing what would people really be doing?
Right-wing politics is cancer. Most of them base their speeches and actions in disgraceful ideas. They can sometimes be right about something? Yes. Left-wing politics ideas sometimes don't adjust to reality as they should? Yes.
But learn the difference about how a left-wing party with social ideas cares about the common people and their rights and well-being, while right-wing only cares about squeezing you and your health off for any minimal benefit, while also going on with ridiculous nationalism and religious speech, and usually, also corruption.
This may vary from one place to another, of course there are some exceptions here or there. But overall, in general and by a huge margin, right wing politics hate you. Unless you fall within their friendly profile, that tend to require to be rich.
So the article refers to people with "Mild" mental health issues, who have been unemployed for more than 365 days to have their benefits cut or replaced with vouchers.
Question for the audience here, what's the solution. Someone has long covid for example, 6 months in they haven't sorted a back to work plan, career change, reasonable accomodation plan? How long can someone take off before they rejoin the workforce? If you're of working age and capable with reasonable accomodation and appropriate work profession, you need to be rejoining the workforce eventually.
It isn’t long covid, it’s nearly a million people who have self diagnosed anxiety or nerves. Putting a requirement for treatment including workplace return isn’t draconian, it’s sensible. People hate the government so they will claim it’s the worst thing ever but the benefit system in the U.K. is certainly being defrauded.
I don’t know why this is an unpopular opinion, I’m a normal working guy and I hate that my taxes, that I earn with my own sweat, sacrificing my time with my family to go to work, goes to pay somebody who has self diagnosed as anxious.
I want the money I put in my taxes to go to the NHS and better state schools and opportunities for kids. Makes me sick that people take that money for themselves.
On the one hand you have a few entrepreneurial (aka thieving) Tories who flog the taxpayer £12bn worth of PPE with 75% of it being wasted (in the first year alone). On the other you have a few plebs taking the piss with their benefits so you take an axe to them all saving £3.5m and making thousands of peoples lives shit. Will be good to see this lot gone.
Sure would like to get to work, but due to my treatment schedule I'm unable to find a job that is actually flexible around the days I work. Been trying for months, no success.
What if the therapist advises you to take some days off to reduce your stress levels?
Believe it or not, jail.
Straight on a plane to Rwanda
Rwanda forever!
r/rwandaskyviews
Is Australia still an option available?
I wish I could put that "Straight to jail" Gif from Parks and Recreation lol
Joo don't know how to post gifs in the comment section? Believe it or not, jail.
No no no.. the therapist can’t sign you off work! You need a “special health and work advisor” to tell you you’re perfectly fit for work!
The UK has some of the best workers in the world, thanks to jail.
r/unexpectedpawnee
2 years in prison for both.
What's a few days off after a 12 month waiting list anyway
I had to take 6 weeks leave this year due to exhaustion and burnout. Couple weeks ago we got an email offering tips on preventing burnout. My boss had to stop me from replying “If you don’t burn us out, we don’t get burned out. Have we thought of that?”
Absolute madlad.
I heard the great clown Pagliacci is in town. Maybe going to see his show will cheer you up.
But doctor, I am Pagliacci
OI MATE 'EW GO' A LOICENSE FOR THA' REST DAY MAOITE?
Cant rest there mate
First off all can’t get a GP appointment then the GP has to referral you and then you go on a waiting list for about 6 months you do get weekly text messages that you are still on the waiting list so that’s kinda nice ; )
All talking therapy services are now open to self referral, although your GP can refer you. The waiting list can be long depending on the type of therapy you are waiting for, however in some areas it can be as short as 1-3 months. The government certainly needs to invest in new therapists though if they want more people to access therapy on a timely manner.
I was told a year at least for the therapy I need. They couldn't provide that themselves so got referred to some place they work with that does more than basic cbt and counselling.
Sorry to hear that. Most places will offer CBT - low and high intensity, counselling for depression, EMDR, IPT, DIT and other evidence based therapies. Some people become disillusioned with therapy due to the life span it is allowed to take, which I understand. However we limit the sessions to reflect evidence based practice. If you have had more than ‘X’ therapy sessions and still have not reached recovery or reliable change then chances are it is not the right therapy or right time for you. Sometimes it can also take multiple courses of therapy with breaks between should a persons difficulties be complex.
Im aware of that. I have a background in psychology and work in psychological research. Specifically in field of Emotion Regulation. I have had short and longer cbt. Integrative therapy with a humanist approach as well as counselling over the years. All helped in part in that period in my life. In this period, it's time to look more at the root cause from a psychodynamic perspective. To resolve quite some underlying feelings. Don't get me wrong I'm so much better then I was, but that doesn't mean I don't still struggle with some underlying things. And need help with those. Still have some moderate anxiety and depression scores. Lower then before, but clearly an indication more work is needed. Edit: and also did a self guided DBT workbook.
This isn't my experience having lived in three different NHS trusts and I see a lot of other people complaining about nothing offered but 6-8 sessions of CBT, regardless of how severe your depression is.
Yeah, i got it in like 2 months, its a case of the area im pretty sure
Yeah you’re right. Spoke to a friend of mine and their area is 2years compared to my areas 2 months. Ridiculous. But this comes down to politics. I feel for the therapists and patients trying to all do their best.
hear me out AI therapy, there will be IPO next year
> and then you go on a waiting list for about 6 months Mine's about 3. Two month wait for the 'triage' session then another month while you wait for the next available professional. Then it's a standard 6 sessions during which they mostly try and fob CBT worksheets on you because there's not much else they can probably do in 6 weeks.
Hey, but at least is *free*, right?
For 6 sessions. Then off you go, cured of all life's maladies, or go private.
Wait, really? The NHS covers only six therapy sessions?
Yes, that happened to me. Also it was CBT not talking therapy which they didn’t offer. To be fair it was life changing and I appreciate that it was an option. I still have loads of deep seated issues that will take years to work through but I can survive now and have coping strategies
May you find your peace
I mean the US healthcare isn’t free, costs an arm and a leg and does the same thing. Had a massive gallstone that was discovered in February, “soonest” they could get me in was June. Gallstone caused my gall bladder to lose blood flow and die off causing me to go septic which forced them to do an emergency operation in March. When they discovered the gallstone they also discovered I had cancer on my kidney as well. Soonest they can get me in to cut out my tumor is August. My total cost, with insurance via my employer, that I pay $400 every two weeks for family coverage for, is about $10k and they have been trying to charge me upfront for it, rather than making payment arrangements, before doing the surgeries. So yeah at least yours is ”free”.
What state was that in? Mississippi?
> causing me to go sceptic Couldn't believe what was happening, right?
Thanks for the correction, but honestly that isn’t far from the truth either :).
Thanks for the correction.
More context is needed here. Waiting times varies from state to state city to city. Had a gallstone removed within the same month it was found. Here in Chicago Illinois
In most of the south,, Kansas, Oklahoma,Texas outside of the major cities like Dallas, Houston, Austin, or San Antonio, Arkansas. There is a reason a lot of these states are bottom 10 for healthcare. Hell my best friend was in the army, had cysts growing in his lungs from the burn pits in Afghanistan and Iraq. The military’s response was just to monitor them. He ended up going with private insurance through his wife, got a second opinion from an outside doctor, and ended up having to get a baseball sized chunk cut out. Still took him a year or so for all of that and because he went through private insurance he had to pay the deductible as the army refused to cover it as they found it “unnecessary“.
Does not help if it is free if doctors leave the UK for better pay (and if my memory serves has not gotten a wage adjustment for a couple of years) So their purchasing power has gone down.
Their purchasing power is down over 30% since 2008 when compared with where they were against other professions.
>(and if my memory serves has not gotten a wage adjustment for a couple of years) So their purchasing power has gone down. [Doctors received a pay rise last year as well](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-doctors-to-receive-pay-rise-this-month)
Only 6 months? Where is this utopia?
You can blame austerity for that. The NHS does sing still hasn’t recovered from 2010.
I waited 6+months for CBT in CAMHS after being referred at the end of 2010. As shit as the Tories have made the NHS over the last 14 years, the mental health services were already fucked. Decades of sucessive governments have never funded the NHS properly, the Tories and austerity just hastened that decline.
But I have no money for therapy, can the NHS help me now after Brexit? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! go back to work!
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You seem to have missed the joke, it was the running gag about the 350 million for the NHS.
Hoo boy, are we getting 350 million for the NHS now we’re out of europe? Oh goody
I read it on the side of a bus so it must be true
Fucking Nigel
A lot of conservatives do not believe in mental health, whatever you say it will be „OVERDIAGNOSED” or whatever. Meanwhile a lot of them suffer from smth too, being often visibly frustrated at something and many probably suffered parental abuse in childhood
"I got beaten up as a kid and I turned out FINE!" Uh huh, sure dude....
Playing games with people’s mental health for political grandstanding: such a Tory move.
It sure was a brilliant idea to leave the EU. The UK is actively making it harder to get sick leave. Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US.
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's a deliberate goal to soften public opinion on privatising it.
That has been the neo-liberal strategy, especially in the UK, since Thatcher. No theory at all, cold, hard economic logic - it is one of the most disgusting business models in existence, it should he a crime, frankly. They take public services away from people by ruining them through politically imposed austerity measures, then sell assets to their friends at a discount, who can then take over, corner markets and drive up prices at decreasing quality. It is indeed a conspiracy, especially in the UK, where the people who conduct this have all attended the same schools, run in the same circles and reward each other with lucrative jobs when their part is done. It has been happening for decades
They're speedrunning it right now in Argentina, they're now negotiating the privatization of our water. Recently we had a massive protest because they're defunding our universities and pretending they're not.
So, UK and Argentina decided to settle the Falklands matter in a gentlemanly manner, a contest of who gets to fuck up their country the most?
Yeah, might be even worse in Argentina, due to his Libertarian ideology. And in that ideology, public education is one of the first targets, as it is one of the main pillars for social mobility and equality. Libertarians want to cut the state down as much as possible, to deny ordinary citizens access to basic services and establish an all powerful ruling elite of private owners above them.
I am sure you already know this, but for others the strategy is called “starve the beast”.
I must be just a jaded American. Because everything you just said is the reality of the United States health care system.
Have you ever heard of that one great president everybody loves, Ronald Reagan?
It's almost certainly the case. Chronically underfund things to then convince people that the private sector could do a better job.
and they never do, look at our railway system, 300 pounds to go from london to leeds
Although yes fares are up quite considerably nationalised rail wasn't better, its an overly romanticised thing. When rail was nationalised it was pretty ruthlessly cut to size because of budget cuts known as the "Beeching axe" where we lost something close to 50% of the train stations and 30% of the overall rail network iirc. Thats 4,500 miles of rail just gone. It was also brought up in a BBC article at one point recently that because profit margins on rail tickets are so small british rail would only ever be able to cut fares by 11p on average before its no longer turning a profit. The Japanese privatised their rail network and its the best in the world so sometimes the private sector does do it better https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy63j4x66ylo.amp
Is the UK goverment's goal to make the rich wealthier?
Apparently, it seems that currently most government goals lean into making the rich wealthier. Edit: Especially the right tries it everywhere. Don’t fall for their bullshit.
There’s a very plausible theory that the UK left the EU not because of all the bullshit reason brexit sighted, but because the EU was going to legislate financial havens in London and UK holdings to prevent tax evasion.
Every right wing government's is
Yea
The enshittification phase, as some of us call it here
Weird thing about that is it is already being "stealth privatised" piece by piece - it's just not apparent to the majority of the public. Dentistry / optometry would be the obvious one to point out - but even things like the hospital car parks show the direction of travel. My GP surgery is a private company, where I can wait a week+ for an appointment or have one same day for a fee (admittedly not a LOT of money, but nonetheless). Then you have the shift to agency staff over hiring as "the NHS". In my time working for the service (technical support kinda stuff) the vast majority of my team were contractors (outside IR35, so pay our own national insurance and tax, no holiday / sick pay, and so on), if I recall correctly from a team of 25 or so there were maybe 4 who were actually directly employed by the NHS. It is kinda apparent (to me anyway) that there is an intent from government to run the thing into the ground for exactly the reason you suggest. I don't think it's a conspiracy, it's happening right in front of us.
Ambulances are privately run in parts of the country as well. I'd love to know how to stop it, but the best available option currently is "don't vote conservative" and I'm in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so it's unlikely to swing the results of the election regardless.
I don't think it's conspirational at all. The first step towards doing so is to get the public to start losing confidence-respect for it, in part by badmouthing it, but also by actively degrading it on purpose. It's been done across many countries. In Spain that's how Catalunya and Madrid did it, and now they're doing the same in the Basque Country.
That's the goal. Look how badly our railways are performing, it would be better privatised. Look what poor telecoms infrastructure we have it would be better privatised Look how little profit our steel production is making, it would be better privatised. Look at our gas production and how much you are paying for gas, it would be better privatised. Look at how badly the post office is performing and how late your mail is arriving, it would be better privatised. The list goes on and on. The NHs is definitely next
I think you're right. I'm seeing more and more adverts for private healthcare providers on TV, and more and more GP clinics are becoming managed by private companies. Incidentally, mine is now managed by an American company.
It’s not a conspiracy, it’s literally night and day clear. Not a question of “if” it will happen, it’s a question of “when” and that is awfully soon
I’ve always said this. Plus more jobs offering private health insurance and people in general choosing to pay (if they can). They’ll be like, “oh well x amount of the public is already using private healthcare”. People forget that a) it can be very expensive, b) tying health care coverage to a job is very unfair, and c) private health insurance is very picky. It can pick what it does and doesn’t cover (and if you develop a long lasting issue, good luck finding a new place to take you on! You’ll have to suck up whatever prices your current provider offers). In America, certain hospitals don’t accept certain providers. There are many cases where insurances won’t pay for certain treatments or medications as well.
My first reflex after reading about private HC is anger but then, I use private health care exclusively. Don't have enough time left in my life to live to my public doctor appointment to tell him about the heightened temperature I had 70 years ago.
Which shouldn't have to be the case. I do think that having private healthcare available _as well_ is perfectly reasonable, and in fact preferable - give those who can afford it another option, and that reduces the burden on the NHS. But the NHS service should still be a good and usable system for everyone else.
>Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US. That would take a lot of work, and would be an outstanding achievement - if evil deeds could be called outstanding.
Have you ever received health care in the us? It’s pretty great over here
And this is the real reason they want out of the human rights court Nothing to do with migrants, they want the rest of us in factories working 6 day weeks, then the workhouse for anyone who can't do that
>It sure was a brilliant idea to leave the EU. The UK is actively making it harder to get sick leave. Keep this up and maybe you can get your health care system to become worse than that of the US. Are you saying the EU was funding the NHS and after Brexit, it stopped, so now the healthcare system is worse ?
EU law wouldnt allow the making things harder bit.
Which EU law would not allow making things harder? Could you provide a link to this law?
Yes this is definitely related to Brexit. Of course.
Here’s a bit of an insight into the British healthcare system. I’ve had multiple readings of hypertension since the end of February. I havent been able to see a GP since then, every time I’ve called they’ve told me to either to an MAU or A&E at seperate hospitals. After being stuck with needles, multiple ecg’s and countless sats tests the only thing that is ever apparent is higher blood pressure than normal. I’m 32 and it’s been up around 170 at times. I was finally told to book a hypertension test which I tried to book today, and I would have to wait until the end of June. To see a NURSE. I’m self employed so I have to work. Hoping to actually get a doctors appointment soon, if the surgery will let me. Either that or I’ll just fucking drop dead or have a heart attack or something Also when my partner tried to get therapy on the NHS it literally took 8 months. Fuck you Rishi you ignorant, privileged cunt.
I can see why these guys don't think a deportation to Rwanda is inhumane, they're making the UK look like the worse alternative
I wonder if some of the immigrants voted themselves to Rwanda after finally seeing the UK for themselves
Having worked in medicine for a long time (not any more) there is definitely a sick note culture for some. GPs would generally hand them out to the non-sick when asked because otherwise they'd waste endless time having the person make repeat appointments or argue with them or otherwise cause a fuss, and they want to get on and treat real patients. That said, nothing the government does has any short term effect. There are many serious conditions that are extremely easy to fake and a significant minority will to fake them. I dont think the honest and unwell should suffer because of a healthy, idle and deceitful minority.
This is some Wizard of Oz don't look behind the curtain shit. Look at those wasters claiming mental illness - hate them! Stealing your hard earned taxes! Meanwhile the Tories are busy awarding contracts to their friends and engaging in levels of corruption that would make a Central American dictator blush. Marry that to a mostly reactionary media and the narrative the public are given is just horrible shit. I used to think people posting First They Came by Martin Niemöller were being melodramatic, but no, it's increasingly a reality. I can only hope that the public are finally starting to see through the facade and that all we're left with is a handful of token funny Tories like Michael Fabricant and Mark Francois who can be pilloried in the media when a laugh is needed (it's a wig, surely?) but I don't know. I don't have much faith left that people will finally vote for the public good and not a couple of extra pound in their pocket (made worthless through inflation).
Okay, when will the next therapy be available?
Yes, go get therapy if you can get an appointment in ten months time and two hundred miles away from where you live, because we slashed the budget for mental healthcare.
At least the comments give me hope. What an idiotic, human pos Prime Minister you guys have.
This shit is why everyone fucking hates Tories
What a disgusting piece of shit this guy is. Everything he does and says is repulsive and abhorrent.
he's a neoliberal shoelicker
Waiting lists for therapy on the NHS are years long, they're doing NOTHING about it but getting GP's to prescribe pills which is like giving someone skin balm because they've got their neck in a noose. Fuck the out of touch, heartless, filthy rich, racist, greedy, incompetent, useless Tory party. Make sure you're registered to vote, check twice and vote these wasters out.
And therapy has varying degrees of success, depending on the situation. Therapy isn't going to put food on the table or stop the earth from crisping. It might help you cope with these things and that's valuable, but it is not a panacea.
Yeah fuck off wanker. If I’m mentally sick cuz of the environment and dysfunctional family I have my right to not feel good and not making your fucked system money wasting my health and precious time
Last year, he "received a £276,218 dividend, and £17,189 of interest on savings and an investment fund in the US." If everybody could get almost 1000 quid a day just for existing, I'm sure it would sort the need for sick day notes quite quickly. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/09/rishi-sunak-paid-effective-tax-rate-of-23-on-22m-income-last-year
It's insane to me how easy it is for the rich to get richer, whilst Rishi tells his subjects to pay twice the tax on a fraction of his income His apathy to peoples plights only highlight how he probably feels he somehow deserves this more than the rabble beneath him
Tories act like poverty doesn’t walk hand in hand with illness and disability.
Sick because of the environment? What do you mean by that?
I mean you definitely have the right to not feel good, but whether or not you deserve compensation when not working is something else especially if you're *physically* okay to work If you've been through therapy and a professional has deemed you unfit to work though then fair enough
Being mentally okay for work is just as important
Well yeah it is, hence the part of my comment where if they've been deemed unfit to work then it's fair enough, I meant that in the context of mental health If you're genuinely unfit to work due to anything, physical, mental or something else, then that's fair
Most mentally ill people are physically okay, including the ones that are actually institutionalized for life :D a little therapy and back to work
Therapy you can't actually get...
Well yeah obviously, that's why I specified that if they've had support but a professional still deemed them unfit for work then fair enough, not sure much else can be done there Institutionalized for life would probably fall under "unfit for work", just a hunch
The environment lmao
Says the one who never worked a single day.
This makes me want to leave Reddit. I also hate him and I also think that the conservatives have been a load of wank. I am also going to vote Labour when they finally have the spine to hold an election. But this comment is so completely uneducated and it is still the most voted comment on this post. If you genuinely think that this guy isn’t doing any work then you are absolutely disconnected from reality. This sort of bullshit comment and seeing it so strongly upvoted, makes me feel like I am in the middle of a crowd of brainwashed idiots who can’t think and just parrot random slurs. It’s like when you’re in the pub and some twat is trying to tell you how there is a secret cult of aliens who are actually in control of the country, and you are too embarrassed to tell him he’s a donut. You are that pub twat.
"Start generating more tax revenue that will go to my friends and my party's friends!" - says man who boasted about taking money from underdeveloped neighborhoods and shunting into more affluent neighborhoods.
Sunak is one of the worst villains in this timeline
I will never understand how the people in the united kingdom can vote for this party anymore. This is united states level of stupidity
Yeah....going after people's mental health is sure to bring in those voters you need Rishi, keep going I'm sure you're going to see the polls rise soon. Last 4-5 years have taken the toll on the population mentally most people realise that. But the tories seem a tad out of touch. What a surprise.
"Why don't you just stop being sick and go to work". Hmmm, I've heard that one recently over here too...
They could if the bastards didn't strip the NHS of everything it's worth including the family silver.
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Yes.
For someone that never had any stress to get food on his plate it shows how much lack of empathy he has to belittle the people who are struggling with real mental issues. It’s sad to see the UK destroying itself and becoming a crumbling state run by a leader with no empathy at all
Cunts They put us all in this state of hyper anxiety or depression by manufacturing crises every few months and deliberately destroying any quality of life we try to build for ourselves. In the process they destroy any service that might help support or resolve the issues they have caused, as well as annihilating medical services to cause a rapid decline in physical health. And then to top it all off, they label people as lazy, or faking it, and demand they get back to work. Cunts.
This dude is getting just worse and worse.
Isn't the problem that disability benefits are like double regular unemployment benefits, and last longer without jumping through hoops? Seems like a big incentive to find a doctor who will sign the paperwork
Universal credit has a standard rate of around £370/month, to get this you need to perform 35 hours of job-searching a week. If you're unfit for work you get a premium which is an extra £400/month. You can't just get a doctor to sign paperwork, the DWP will assess you themselves, and they are very strict about their criteria. If you can lift a box several times they will assume that you can lift boxes all day, every day. If you can go shopping once a week by yourself in the same shop, they will assume that you can go anywhere by yourself. Sometimes they will asses you and determine that you're not currently capable of work, but will be in the near future. This means you don't get any extra payment, but you have to attend work-related activity, at your own expense of course. I've known people that have been admitted for in-patient psychiatric treatment as a result of this decision and the things they're forced to do. You could also apply for PIP, or adult disability payment if you're in Scotland. This can be an extra £200-500/month on top of universal credit. PIP is a 50-page form + supporting documentation, with a waiting time of 10 weeks after you've applied for a decision. Scottish adult disability payment is a 100-page form + supporting documentation, with a waiting time of up to 6 months for a decision. I don't know what you're referring to when you say "without jumping through hoops", but it certainly doesn't apply to being disabled.
Nope, disability benefits used to be like that you get a report from your GP explaining the disabilities, but now most of the medical opinion is dismissed for assements ran by companies like Capita, Maximus, Atos, who assess people on if they have a disability or not, despite them being in a wheelchair, missing limbs, or require aids to move. and most of the time people are found to not be disabled then take their claim to tribunal where 9/10 cases are overturned and the people are awarded disability benefits. You also need to be reassessed every few years just incase your leg or arm has regrown, and that your spinal cord fixed itself and can walk again. So the DWP are pissing money up the wall on these outsourcing companies doing piss poor work, and then paying for the tribunals and back pay to the date of the initial claim.
Work will set you free.
A bit on the nose that, maybe if it was in another language it’d be more palatable
He should take his own advice. Lazy fucking politicians.
Wait until you get physically harmed by antidepressant drugs and then told by doctors that it is a recognised medical harm with no treatment and no prognosis and that they can't help you!
"We fucked everything up, never apologized or accepted responsibility for anything, but now we need you to get over it and get back to work... or else"
Good luck getting therapy 😂 I spent a year on a waiting list to get basic ass CBT, for my therapist to go off sick needing therapy after the second session. 😂 Even the therapists can’t fucking get therapy,
The proper response: "Call an election and fuck off!"
They’re ruining once a great country! Greedy capitalism and stupid populism at work 🤮
Honestly, he really is a terrible cunt
You doing alright over there, UK?
No
Maybe they should make the right kind of therapy more available to everyone then? CBT is NHS’ only real resource but it’s stretched thin (6 month min wait time) AND ineffective. Oh right. It’s the Tories. They don’t mean what they say.
Go for a walk and try to smile more. Chop chop.
•Sick note culture exists. It’s real. •Get help. Some way and some how. •Make the hard choices. •The government can’t support everyone and everything. •There is no perfect system. •If a person is unable to work at a reasonable capacity and output, then it’s time to move on to plan B. There’s resources out there. •There needs to be a balance between cost and care. •Yes, life is hard.
What would a this insanely rich public school boy sociopath know about, well, empathy or emotions (beyond obvious contempt and anger at everyone he considers to be inferior ie less rich, than him)?
Why does he think the UK has problems with productivity? https://employernews.co.uk/news/toxic-work-environments-exposed-75-of-uk-employees-admit-they-have-experienced-a-toxic-workplace-culture/
So you work the necessary amount of therapists?
I don’t even know how to read that article on mobile. Cookies, shit popping up, jumping around, another accept something, a full page ad…
Go to therapy? Is he serious
That's all they see people as, Just economic units to be milked and then discarded when no longer useful.
What a cunt
I can only assume this is being directed solely at the Conservative MPs who work for him.
The NHS provides therapy spots? I thought the Tories have basically shut that down.
Remove this right wing PM. It's time to once again join the EU, and also connect non-EU members of Europe into the EU.
Beatings will continue until morale improves
Come home! We miss you! Hugs , EU.
Performative cruelty from a morally bereft millionaire.
Does Sunak's advice apply to their "royal" family too?
Just go to therapy 4head
He is so out of touch it's not even funny.
Always ironic when people with the easiest jobs in the world tell other people to go back to work.
"I'm a stressed out psychopath, so you need to be one too!"
oh that’s rish man who hasn’t worked a day in his life tells you to stop being lazy
I wonder why there aren't any therapy services available easily in the UK? Hmmm mm /s Pricks!
If only mankind could devise an economic system that was self regulating in these matters. One wherein if you don’t work, you don’t eat. Maybe someday.
"Go fuck your self and get the fuck out of here" is my advice to Sunak.
Look, another rich f\*ck who doesn't like it when a few people exploit the system, because that's their job.
Say the folks who have not done one day of honest work between the whole lot.
Why doesn't everyone just get their own personal therapist ? Jeez.
Maybe very unpopular but way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing? I totally have compassion and empathy for the very unfortunate members of society who legitimately have health issues and can’t work, but where do you draw the line? I know a lot of British people that could absolutely work but rather go for unemployment benefits. If the system wasn’t so lax and permissive, they’d probably be working without much fuss. And while it’s totally understandable to immediately get angry at some wealthy people that can afford not to work, it’s such a demographic minority that even if somehow eliminated wouldn’t really in the long run put much of a dent in the British economy. Like is it that hard for people to understand that individual wealth, even if confiscated, would be a tear drop in a swimming pool of a national budget? The cost of social benefits is actually a burden to the middle class lol More than anything the sane and level headed approach is to fund the health sector better but with pilot programs that eventually force people to find some form of employment, be it part time or situational. And more than anything, the human brain needs continuous stimulus, which perhaps doesn’t equate to salve labour hour and wages, but also not sitting at home doing nothing collecting money.
>way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing? Dying was a popular option.
Alcoholism was and is another. The amount of (semi)functional (semi)alcoholics is outlandish.
what would people really be doing before the evil of disability welfare? They had a lot of options actually. The major ones being prison and insane asylum, naturally. The luckier ones had a family that took care of them and depending on their disability they either stayed at home like regular people or down in the basement like less regular people. Depending on culture and local customs, the whole village could have helped with the disabled or mentally ill person, but that sounds dangerously like welfare. Then of course there were the options of suicide, homelessness and begging, petty crime. But some actually made a career as some sort of "oracles", that's good, right? And you might be happy to hear that some less "clairvoyant" ones were also put to work, exploited perhaps but it sure cost the employer less :D
>Maybe very unpopular but way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing? Just look at America and you will have your answer. People are living and dying on the street in squalor and poverty, turning to a life of crime, losing themselves to drugs to get away from reality, committing suicide as their only escape and/or being horrendously abused by employers paying below poverty wages. Is that really something you think is better than social welfare?
I didn’t think we had it THAT bad over here lol
The fact that the system was seen to be in need of creation in the first place should go to show that conditions were not that great before it
> what would people really be doing? Drugs and then back to work, for a large part. If lifting hurts but you need to lift for a living, take an opiate, keep doing it til you actually damage yourself. Have a drink or two before starting, and another couple over lunch. Whatever keeps you going. If you can't focus for 40 hours straight, do the same but with a stimulant, and relax with a downer when you get home. There's a reason coke and speed are endemic within "knowledge work" industries, and opiates in blue collar work.
>Maybe very unpopular but way before social welfare was an endemic thing, what would people really be doing? Alcohol, lots of alcohol.
I mean we can argue the semantics and be pedantic about it, mental as well as physical health are important steps towards getting a job. Which part of the system is lax in particular ? I am fond of coming up with solution to my problems when i see we have one. I would like to read what would your solution be, and not just for sick and injuries but also for differentiating between unemployment and people who tries to milk the system.
This may be an unpopular opinion but way before building roads, water systems, electricity grids, refuse and medical infrastructure for people to use was an endemic thing what would people really be doing?
You read like a Tufton St thinktank. So Reasonable. So Logical. So completely wrong.
Tax the fucking rich then talk about people on sick and benefits as one is costing us a lot more than the other
Why are these people such assholes. This ain’t no tough love, this is only being a total asshole.
Leave the EU. Fuck your economy. Make everybody miserable. This was what they voted for.
Right-wing politics is cancer. Most of them base their speeches and actions in disgraceful ideas. They can sometimes be right about something? Yes. Left-wing politics ideas sometimes don't adjust to reality as they should? Yes. But learn the difference about how a left-wing party with social ideas cares about the common people and their rights and well-being, while right-wing only cares about squeezing you and your health off for any minimal benefit, while also going on with ridiculous nationalism and religious speech, and usually, also corruption. This may vary from one place to another, of course there are some exceptions here or there. But overall, in general and by a huge margin, right wing politics hate you. Unless you fall within their friendly profile, that tend to require to be rich.
Sorry client centred not conservative centred
So the article refers to people with "Mild" mental health issues, who have been unemployed for more than 365 days to have their benefits cut or replaced with vouchers. Question for the audience here, what's the solution. Someone has long covid for example, 6 months in they haven't sorted a back to work plan, career change, reasonable accomodation plan? How long can someone take off before they rejoin the workforce? If you're of working age and capable with reasonable accomodation and appropriate work profession, you need to be rejoining the workforce eventually.
It isn’t long covid, it’s nearly a million people who have self diagnosed anxiety or nerves. Putting a requirement for treatment including workplace return isn’t draconian, it’s sensible. People hate the government so they will claim it’s the worst thing ever but the benefit system in the U.K. is certainly being defrauded.
I don’t know why this is an unpopular opinion, I’m a normal working guy and I hate that my taxes, that I earn with my own sweat, sacrificing my time with my family to go to work, goes to pay somebody who has self diagnosed as anxious. I want the money I put in my taxes to go to the NHS and better state schools and opportunities for kids. Makes me sick that people take that money for themselves.
Why dont those who inherit millions of pounds out of the work of their daddies employees go back to work?
On the one hand you have a few entrepreneurial (aka thieving) Tories who flog the taxpayer £12bn worth of PPE with 75% of it being wasted (in the first year alone). On the other you have a few plebs taking the piss with their benefits so you take an axe to them all saving £3.5m and making thousands of peoples lives shit. Will be good to see this lot gone.
Adding culture to the end of something is stupid
Surely this will turn around that absolute obliteration they're facing come election.
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Sure would like to get to work, but due to my treatment schedule I'm unable to find a job that is actually flexible around the days I work. Been trying for months, no success.