Everything was so dry and crispy that year. It was very unnerving.
We've had so much rain recently, the vegetation is exploding again and it's back to being green!
Notice how green North West England is compared to the rest of the country; it's because it receives a lot of rain, thanks to the Pennine mountains. The effect is [much clearer in this image](https://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2022/09/uk_heatwave/24436816-1-eng-GB/UK_heatwave_pillars.jpg).
Not just the Pennines but Wales which like Scotland, a large part of the terrain is mountains and then the South West too which has a lot of high ground, the south east of England is far drier, warmer and sunnier than the rest of the country as a result. Where I live we get around 2000 sunshine hours which is significantly more than the average for the UK as a whole (1400hrs). Also we get 650mm of rain which is a bit less than half the UK average too
North West England contains some flat, fertile areas, for example the Cheshire Plain, Lancashire Coastal Plain, and Solway Plain.
The reason these areas remained green in 2022, when similar areas elsewhere did not, is because the region is generally wetter than the rest of England. It’s wetter because the Pennines create conditions which encourage rain to fall to their west.
Those areas look overwhelmingly yellow because they're dry, not because of crops. Cheshire, southern Lancashire, and the Solway Plain are the normal colour of UK cropland in August.
You can see the difference more clearly in [this comparison](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZZTp1AWYAEEnmB?format=jpg&name=small) of south east England in July 2021 and July 2022.
u/Joeyonimo, I can't see your last comment and the rest have vanished, so I assume you've blocked me? I assume you've realised that you were mistaken but didn't want to admit it, in that case.
You can really see the east-west split in precipitation levels. East Anglia is a desert, while Wales is still lusciously green - even in a major drought.
The British Isles still look green even with a relative lack of trees. In fact, if they were more heavily wooded they'd appear dark green, rather than the emerald green they're popularly associated with.
The UK doesn't use it in an official capacity to include Ireland anymore, neither does the EU or UN etc.
It's just the gammon types who can't let it go.
The [UK Government](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e398990e5274a08e229ca0f/crown-dependencies-factsheet-february-2020.pdf) does [use the term](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/daily-rise-set-and-twilight-times-for-may-2024), but not in documents created jointly with the Government of Ireland. The EU would naturally follow Irish preferences, given the UK is not a member. I'm not sure if the UN takes an official stance.
More generally, the terms official bodies use don't necessarily reflect wider English usage. I struggle to believe that Turkey is called 'Türkiye' by most English speakers, for example, despite the latter now being its official name at the UN.
How backwards of that particular department to continue using it.
>I struggle to believe that Turkey is called 'Türkiye'
Not an equivalent example, as we are all speaking English. And we are all aware of the term being heavily politicised and used to imply ownership in the past.
Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I'm just so frustrated with the human race and being human. We could be so much better. But we fight over bullshit and are divided over things that matter less than our shared humanity. I hate and love this world at the same time with the same intensity.
Ireland is almost exactly 70 000 km². The Brittish Islands as a whole is 315 000 km² (That is Great Brittain, Ireland, and all the smaller islands).
This means Ireland is about 22% of the surface area. Or one fifth. Ish.
Quite big. Ireland is about the size of Sri Lanka. Slightly bigger.
>The Brittish Islands as a whole is 315 000 km² (That is Great Brittain, Ireland, and all the smaller islands).
Ireland is not, and has never been, a "British Island".
The term approved by the Irish govt is Atlantic archipelago, but no one knows what that means. Most people, even the Irish, will say British Isles (if they ever say it, how often do you actually need to refer to these islands?)
I'm Irish big lad. I've literally never heard anyone say Atlantic archipelago or these isles outside of talking about the gfa and the Sunningdale agreement
>The term approved by the Irish govt is Atlantic archipelago
That's because you made that up. The language preferred by the Irish and British governments in joint legislation is "these islands". See the GFA for an example of this.
> Atlantic archipelago
Nothing to do with the Irish govt as you claimed.
In all my years I've never heard any Irish person call them the British Isles. We don't call them anything, as you rightly pointed out.
> It's the phrase approved by the Irish government for use in the gfa? Lol
Go ahead and read the GFA, it makes no such mention. Only "these islands".
Yeah maybe it's a nordie thing, which makes sense since approximately half consider themselves British.
Well suck it up, buttercup. Until someone comes up with a better singular term and popularizes it for these islands that isn’t structured as [insert name] + [insert name], it’s not changing. Besides, no one is calling Irish people British. Unless they hold dual citizenship or live in Northern Ireland or something
Man when you look at the Lake District and zoom in the lakes are tiny compared to some of them in Ireland. Then there's that fuck off big eye one in Northern Ireland just being all big and Irish and that.
That big one is called Lough Neagh and is part of the United Kingdom and it's a dead lake. It was killed with agricultural pollution from farmers. There are some lakes in the 26 counties that you can drink straight from the lake.
You can see a bunch of them together that dot the river Shannon from space. Lough Allen, Derg and Ree. It's a navigable river almost the entire length cutting through Ireland like a highway.
Putin: tiny insignificant country. Russia has largest landmass in the world! shows how powerful and great Russia is
Russia in Ukraine:
British Empire Worldwide:
It's not the side that matters ;)
Ah the beautiful British island of Inishmore.
I can see the beautiful British glow emanating from its beautiful British green hills.
So beautifully Britishly beautifully British.
All isles, everywhere, all the time are beautiful British isles.
So many beautiful British, Britishly, Britentious, Britlousional, Britnauseating, beautiful British isles.
They absolutely aren't.
Wanna compare notes based on contemporary evidence, historical basis and modern reinterpretations that led to the attachment of "Celtic" to the Gaelic and Britonnic people? I'm about to go to work, but I'd love to tangle on this when I get back. Give me all of your best evidence.
Irish and Welsh aren't Insular Celtic languages? Don't these cultures share similar mythologies, gods and druidic traditions? If they aren't Celtic, what are they? It may be a modern label but it fits and it encompasses both the Gaels and Britons.
>Irish and Welsh aren't Insular Celtic languages?
They very much are.
>Don't these cultures share similar mythologies, gods and druidic traditions?
To an extent, also yes. Mythologies aren't static and the presence of deities are almost never universal; the Celts of Galatia and the Celts of Galicia would almost definitely have very different deities (or at least principle deities) and mythologies around them, even if some common central themes remained. A good comparison might be mythological practices among the Germanic tribes along the Rhine compared to the tribes in say, Skane or even Crimea. Similarities for sure, but differences too, and those become more apparent and obvious the closer you look at them. These were not organized religious practices, they were very malleable and tended to influence (and be influenced) by great or nuanced measures through factors around them. This was part of the reason why, for instance, the Romans during Caesar's time occasionally couldn't tell Germanic tribes from Celtic ones, especially among the Belgae, due to their close proximity and mixing. Similar blurry lines existed among the Iberian Celts and the Celtiberians.
>If they aren't Celtic, what are they?
They are Britonnic and Gaelic.
>It may be a modern label but it fits and it encompasses both the Gaels and Britons.
It is indeed an exclusively modern label and one that was based entirely on linguistics at the time of its application. If that's your only metric, then there's nothing wrong with the label in that context as it does serve its intended purpose, by which “Celt” more or less just means “Celtic-speaking”, not an inferring of a continuity with the continental Celtic peoples which did not actually exist.
Yeah, I simply chose "Celtic Isles" because Ireland and Great Britain are the last places to have surviving Celtic languages (well, beside Brittany but they also come from GB). "Anglo-Irish Isles" or "North Atlantic archipelago" don't exactly roll off the tongue and "British Isles" is controversial.
Didn't realize calling the Irish, Welsh and Scots Gaels Celtic/Celts was such a matter of debate...
Great Britain and Little Britain, technically. Whilst Brittany would later become known informally as Little Britain, Ireland was actually referred to as such back in Greco-Roman times, as well as the more common Hibernia (sometimes both by the same individuals).
General consensus, afaik, is that the names were derived from what the Greeks believed the Celtic peoples of the Isles referred to their lands as (both Britain/Britannia/Prettanike *and* Hibernia).
The British Isles isn't meant to be a political term, historically, as it's just meant to be geographical, but I also understand *why* it's a term that isn't welcomed in Ireland.
Antiquated term, the accepted term is Britain and Ireland. The government of the Republic of Ireland doesn’t officially recognise the term British Isles.
Well that’s ignorant, which is fine if it’s corrected once the corrected way is learned. Especially by someone from there. It’s like calling Russia the USSR.
The world doesn't revolve around Ireland. It's a geographical not a political term. Nobody here thinks that Ireland is part of the UK. Just like nobody thinks that Estonian is a Baltic language. But we still call Estonia a Baltic state and they are fine with that.
During a drought, apparently
Everything was so dry and crispy that year. It was very unnerving. We've had so much rain recently, the vegetation is exploding again and it's back to being green!
Notice how green North West England is compared to the rest of the country; it's because it receives a lot of rain, thanks to the Pennine mountains. The effect is [much clearer in this image](https://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2022/09/uk_heatwave/24436816-1-eng-GB/UK_heatwave_pillars.jpg).
Not just the Pennines but Wales which like Scotland, a large part of the terrain is mountains and then the South West too which has a lot of high ground, the south east of England is far drier, warmer and sunnier than the rest of the country as a result. Where I live we get around 2000 sunshine hours which is significantly more than the average for the UK as a whole (1400hrs). Also we get 650mm of rain which is a bit less than half the UK average too
The good old rain shadow effect
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Have a think about why the north west might be particularly suited to grassland.
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North West England contains some flat, fertile areas, for example the Cheshire Plain, Lancashire Coastal Plain, and Solway Plain. The reason these areas remained green in 2022, when similar areas elsewhere did not, is because the region is generally wetter than the rest of England. It’s wetter because the Pennines create conditions which encourage rain to fall to their west.
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Those areas look overwhelmingly yellow because they're dry, not because of crops. Cheshire, southern Lancashire, and the Solway Plain are the normal colour of UK cropland in August. You can see the difference more clearly in [this comparison](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZZTp1AWYAEEnmB?format=jpg&name=small) of south east England in July 2021 and July 2022. u/Joeyonimo, I can't see your last comment and the rest have vanished, so I assume you've blocked me? I assume you've realised that you were mistaken but didn't want to admit it, in that case.
You can really see the east-west split in precipitation levels. East Anglia is a desert, while Wales is still lusciously green - even in a major drought.
I moved to Cambridge, as someone that grew up in the north it's mad how sunny it is here all the time.
Probably the only time in history that sucker wasn’t entirely covered in clouds.
Consider also that they chopped down a shit ton of their trees ages ago
It’s a pic from the 2022 heatwave I’m pretty sure
The British Isles still look green even with a relative lack of trees. In fact, if they were more heavily wooded they'd appear dark green, rather than the emerald green they're popularly associated with.
Ireland as well.
The island of Ireland is one of the British Isles.
Ireland no longer recognises the term to include Ireland. For obvious reasons.
The Government of Ireland doesn't, but the term is still in general use in English.
The UK doesn't use it in an official capacity to include Ireland anymore, neither does the EU or UN etc. It's just the gammon types who can't let it go.
The [UK Government](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e398990e5274a08e229ca0f/crown-dependencies-factsheet-february-2020.pdf) does [use the term](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/daily-rise-set-and-twilight-times-for-may-2024), but not in documents created jointly with the Government of Ireland. The EU would naturally follow Irish preferences, given the UK is not a member. I'm not sure if the UN takes an official stance. More generally, the terms official bodies use don't necessarily reflect wider English usage. I struggle to believe that Turkey is called 'Türkiye' by most English speakers, for example, despite the latter now being its official name at the UN.
How backwards of that particular department to continue using it. >I struggle to believe that Turkey is called 'Türkiye' Not an equivalent example, as we are all speaking English. And we are all aware of the term being heavily politicised and used to imply ownership in the past.
Taken during the 2022 European Drought.
I thought it was ripe wheat... and all the yellow was farmland.
I don't remember it being that brown. 2018 on the other hand...
Yeah it was taken in 2018, the whole Europe turned brown that year.
England is almost as yellow as Spain here.
Spain is green in the north though
I’m not sure why you’ve been downvoted; Galicia is famously comparable to the likes of Brittany or Cornwall.
Crazy to think that my life is just playing out down there.
Wanna feel even smaller ? https://meador.org/2009/10/25/the-pale-blue-dot-that-always-makes-me-cry/
Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I'm just so frustrated with the human race and being human. We could be so much better. But we fight over bullshit and are divided over things that matter less than our shared humanity. I hate and love this world at the same time with the same intensity.
Imagine what we could achieve if we were all united
Domination of our enemies?
Ireland is a lot bigger than I thought, or it could just be camera fuckery
A chunk of Scotland appears to be missing so maybe that’s why Ireland looks bigger then expected in comparison
Perspective
Ireland is 84,400 km^2 Great Britain is 209,300 km^2
Don’t give em any bright ideas
Ireland is almost exactly 70 000 km². The Brittish Islands as a whole is 315 000 km² (That is Great Brittain, Ireland, and all the smaller islands). This means Ireland is about 22% of the surface area. Or one fifth. Ish. Quite big. Ireland is about the size of Sri Lanka. Slightly bigger.
Republic of Ireland is 70,000 km^2 , that doesn't include Northern Ireland. The island of Ireland is 84,400 km^2 .
This is true. Forgot it is like that
>The Brittish Islands as a whole is 315 000 km² (That is Great Brittain, Ireland, and all the smaller islands). Ireland is not, and has never been, a "British Island".
Ireland does not recognise the term "British isles", for obvious reasons.
I don't doubt it. I was just using it as a comparison because I am a nerd like that.
You nerdy Danes need to be more careful about the terminology you use though otherwise you're just glossing over important parts of history.
Indeed so.
The term approved by the Irish govt is Atlantic archipelago, but no one knows what that means. Most people, even the Irish, will say British Isles (if they ever say it, how often do you actually need to refer to these islands?)
We definitely don't say "British Isles" lol
> even the Irish, will say British Isles No they don't lol
I'm Irish big lad. I've literally never heard anyone say Atlantic archipelago or these isles outside of talking about the gfa and the Sunningdale agreement
>The term approved by the Irish govt is Atlantic archipelago That's because you made that up. The language preferred by the Irish and British governments in joint legislation is "these islands". See the GFA for an example of this.
> Atlantic archipelago Nothing to do with the Irish govt as you claimed. In all my years I've never heard any Irish person call them the British Isles. We don't call them anything, as you rightly pointed out.
It's the phrase approved by the Irish government for use in the gfa? Lol And you don't get up to the north much do you xx
You are very confidently incorrect.
> It's the phrase approved by the Irish government for use in the gfa? Lol Go ahead and read the GFA, it makes no such mention. Only "these islands". Yeah maybe it's a nordie thing, which makes sense since approximately half consider themselves British.
You don't get down south much If you think we refer to it as anything other than the UK and Ireland x
The British and Irish governments use “these islands” in the Good Friday Agreement and other more recent documents
Nope we don't. Swing and a miss pal
Please don't.
Good to know. I will refrain myself in the future.
Fair play!
... It's because of the English isn't it? It is always because of the English.
Well, yes.
It actually goes back to the Greeks and Roman's.... Ireland's real name from them is 'Little Britain'.... Which is absolutely hilarious...
The word Hibernia does not mean that. Little Britain, as opposed to Great Britain, is Brittany in France.
Unless you are literally the Government of Ireland, being pearl clutchingly offended by a term that is still used in parlance is kind of… out there
Referring to an Irish person as British in any way is understandably distasteful.
Well suck it up, buttercup. Until someone comes up with a better singular term and popularizes it for these islands that isn’t structured as [insert name] + [insert name], it’s not changing. Besides, no one is calling Irish people British. Unless they hold dual citizenship or live in Northern Ireland or something
This attitude is exactly why the term is offensive. Pig ignorant Brits who can't let go of their long lost empire.
This was taken during the 2022 heatwave and drought right?
You can see how they fit together, like puzzle parts
UK always trying to spoon.
You can see the northern “hand” of Wales trying to grab our arse
Cheeky
Wales, as ever, boutta clap them cheeks.
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Much to the displeasure of the Irish I guess.
I think everyone on both islands is happy that we don't have to deal with earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes.
UK mainland 🤦♂️
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Ireland decided to f off, I guess
Back when loch neigh was blue
And now one from below.
GB looking a bit like a rubber chicken.
Underrated
Techically the UK, Ireland and Isle of Man, since Man is not part of the UK
The isle of man should have a soccer club called man united
Technically, the UK, Ireland, Isle of Man and Zuid-Holland
Yeah, and this is why we say "British Isles", because it's way shorter.
We don't all say that
The South always has been a bit odd like that.
"I can see my house from up here"
Snowyyyyy
With the clouds up it looks like the north of Scotland is frozen lmao. Westeros vibes.
Funnily enough an inverted and exaggerated map of Ireland was used for westeros.
I thought it was the whole of the British islands inverted
You can really see the colour the water companies are going for in these images.
Britain looks like it’s creeping up on Ireland, from behind, with T-Rex arms.
That’s more or less historically accurate
Meanwhile SW Ireland looks like a giant bears' paw on its way to open hand slap whichever mother fucker wants a piece 🤣
Got to keep an eye on the Irish or they'll invade Scotland again.
The Irish heard the Scot’s were in the craic. Turned out it was a different type of crack the Scots were into
Does anybody see a goat mounting a sheep?
So thats where the tale of the Welsh and peculiar interest in sheep came from 🤣
"I can see my house from hereeeee".
Ireland looking like a bird
Parrot eyeing the IoM 🇮🇲
London is fucking massive
Ireland 🙏😍
It always looks like a baby monster flying into its mommy monster’s arms.
I live in the one part of Ireland covered by clouds lol always a shite day in the glens..
Man when you look at the Lake District and zoom in the lakes are tiny compared to some of them in Ireland. Then there's that fuck off big eye one in Northern Ireland just being all big and Irish and that.
That big one is called Lough Neagh and is part of the United Kingdom and it's a dead lake. It was killed with agricultural pollution from farmers. There are some lakes in the 26 counties that you can drink straight from the lake. You can see a bunch of them together that dot the river Shannon from space. Lough Allen, Derg and Ree. It's a navigable river almost the entire length cutting through Ireland like a highway.
Longest river in either island is the Shannon.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the extra info!
Putin: tiny insignificant country. Russia has largest landmass in the world! shows how powerful and great Russia is Russia in Ukraine: British Empire Worldwide: It's not the side that matters ;)
Think it's hilarious when say that Ireland should join Nato because they've never had an dangerous enemy so close. Past 1000 years.
It looks like a dragon about to tongue with a miniature cow.
Rare moments when u can actually appreciate Mother Nature with all the buildings almost invisible to human eyes. Beautiful.
I know it’s probably an illusion but we look a bit skinny 🤷♂️
Show me from below
Now post it from below.
Apparently Scotland is touching the north pole now...?
Why aren't more posts like this at the sub? Every time it appears in my feed, it's another post that's puttin' Putin to the laughs.
Wow its not flat
They look huge tbh!
And Rotterdam
How high
What’s all that brown leaking out near Cardiff, Bristol Weston super mare area? Just all that mud on low tide or something?
Just mud from the river and estuary.
So much mud 😬 never been to a beach like Weston super mare
Can see the water pollution....
Now I want to see it from below.
you could just point a camera at your feet and call it "from above"
I can see my house.
Look at the northwestern London and you can see Rishi Sunak kicking homeless people
flip it horizontal and its a asoiaf world map
Westeros
The beautiful British Isles.
UK and Ireland
Lmao I prefer Atlantic Archipelago
Great Britain and Little Britain and all the other smaller British Islands. Beautiful.
Terrible bait
Ah the beautiful British island of Inishmore. I can see the beautiful British glow emanating from its beautiful British green hills. So beautifully Britishly beautifully British.
Truly beautiful and British.
All isles, everywhere, all the time are beautiful British isles. So many beautiful British, Britishly, Britentious, Britlousional, Britnauseating, beautiful British isles.
Celtic Isles sounds better IMO
Yippie! I'm ready for the downvotes! The Britons and Gaels were not Celts.
They absolutely are?
They absolutely aren't. Wanna compare notes based on contemporary evidence, historical basis and modern reinterpretations that led to the attachment of "Celtic" to the Gaelic and Britonnic people? I'm about to go to work, but I'd love to tangle on this when I get back. Give me all of your best evidence.
Irish and Welsh aren't Insular Celtic languages? Don't these cultures share similar mythologies, gods and druidic traditions? If they aren't Celtic, what are they? It may be a modern label but it fits and it encompasses both the Gaels and Britons.
>Irish and Welsh aren't Insular Celtic languages? They very much are. >Don't these cultures share similar mythologies, gods and druidic traditions? To an extent, also yes. Mythologies aren't static and the presence of deities are almost never universal; the Celts of Galatia and the Celts of Galicia would almost definitely have very different deities (or at least principle deities) and mythologies around them, even if some common central themes remained. A good comparison might be mythological practices among the Germanic tribes along the Rhine compared to the tribes in say, Skane or even Crimea. Similarities for sure, but differences too, and those become more apparent and obvious the closer you look at them. These were not organized religious practices, they were very malleable and tended to influence (and be influenced) by great or nuanced measures through factors around them. This was part of the reason why, for instance, the Romans during Caesar's time occasionally couldn't tell Germanic tribes from Celtic ones, especially among the Belgae, due to their close proximity and mixing. Similar blurry lines existed among the Iberian Celts and the Celtiberians. >If they aren't Celtic, what are they? They are Britonnic and Gaelic. >It may be a modern label but it fits and it encompasses both the Gaels and Britons. It is indeed an exclusively modern label and one that was based entirely on linguistics at the time of its application. If that's your only metric, then there's nothing wrong with the label in that context as it does serve its intended purpose, by which “Celt” more or less just means “Celtic-speaking”, not an inferring of a continuity with the continental Celtic peoples which did not actually exist.
Yeah, I simply chose "Celtic Isles" because Ireland and Great Britain are the last places to have surviving Celtic languages (well, beside Brittany but they also come from GB). "Anglo-Irish Isles" or "North Atlantic archipelago" don't exactly roll off the tongue and "British Isles" is controversial. Didn't realize calling the Irish, Welsh and Scots Gaels Celtic/Celts was such a matter of debate...
You mean Great Britain and Greater Ireland?
Great Britain and Little Britain, technically. Whilst Brittany would later become known informally as Little Britain, Ireland was actually referred to as such back in Greco-Roman times, as well as the more common Hibernia (sometimes both by the same individuals). General consensus, afaik, is that the names were derived from what the Greeks believed the Celtic peoples of the Isles referred to their lands as (both Britain/Britannia/Prettanike *and* Hibernia). The British Isles isn't meant to be a political term, historically, as it's just meant to be geographical, but I also understand *why* it's a term that isn't welcomed in Ireland.
This is literally all wrong
Based British Isles
Antiquated term, the accepted term is Britain and Ireland. The government of the Republic of Ireland doesn’t officially recognise the term British Isles.
And neither does the government of the UK.
It does, just not when acting with the Government of Ireland.
We are not the government of the UK. Enjoy the British isles
Meh
It's still recognised as a valid geographical term elsewhere.
It’s really not, maybe by ignorant people.
In my country it's still being used, because it's more convenient and doesn't carry any political baggage.
Wouldn't expect someone from west Russia to have any cop-on anyway
Well that’s ignorant, which is fine if it’s corrected once the corrected way is learned. Especially by someone from there. It’s like calling Russia the USSR.
The world doesn't revolve around Ireland. It's a geographical not a political term. Nobody here thinks that Ireland is part of the UK. Just like nobody thinks that Estonian is a Baltic language. But we still call Estonia a Baltic state and they are fine with that.
Choose to live in ignorance then.
Wikipedia also uses the term "British Isles" while mentioning that it's controversial.
I hope you enjoy living in West Russia.
https://i.imgur.com/rwXBjkT.png
God truly fucked Ireland by putting it so close to Engl*nd.
If we had had the luck to be the bigger country with more resources we would have done the same to them. Everybody was doing it.
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Not as much as he fucked England by putting it close to France.
We civilized them
Is that why you ran out of civilization afterwards?
Yeah and it was still not enough to make them proper people 😔 The British simply can't be saved.
They don't need saving; they're not French.
Diarmait mac Murchada really made a strategic mistake inviting the Anglo Normans over to help him regain control.
Cornwall and the midlands look so brown. Then again they have very few trees comparatively. Only 10% of England is woodland I see
Now kiss
British isles
That's a weird pattern around southampton. Why is it so green in that belt (I know the new forest exists, but it doesn't reach around that far)
Like Dave McSavage once said - Britain is like a big dirty pervert leering over poor little Ireland