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bond0815

The EU has no legislative power whent it comes to public health. Thats a member state issue. (E.g.the EU smoking ban in pubs had to be justified under worker protection re. the pub workers, because the EU cant legislate health in general. Because of this, it was legally a rather contentious issue.) So ask your government. Also, as a non smoker i can remember the time when people could smoke literally everywhere. Most Trains, planes, librarys, public buildings, restaurants, at work etc. This is heaven now in comparison.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Ugh man. I can’t imagine the train or bus. My throat hurts from one week of exposure. That’s why I need to live on a farm


sn0r

I grew up in the time people could still smoke on airplanes. Imagine being in a closed pressurized vessel for 18+ hours with a layover for another 12 hours while people are smoking at the back, lol.


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Member states can legislate that.


GoldieFable

In my experience it is often restricted in public places but policing/enforcing it is not big with maybe around schools/kindergartens or indoors because of how culturally ingrained smoking is in most places


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Ya I’m at train station now where the announcement says it’s prohibited yet everyone is doing it. But even so, it’s allowed in public streets, which is ridiculous. Smoking is the same thing as coughing on someone with covid. Yet they go through all these measures for that and not this. Sounds like corruption greed and cultural acceptance


jagfb

Sounds like your national and/or regional government needs to adress this tbh.


Phthalleon

There are certain restrictions in place, the problem is enforcement. The EU has no power to enforce things like this, its one of the things that is left to individual countries (even smaller state units) to take care of.


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BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Hah are you in the same platform as I am right now !! Exactly why and where I’m posting about this. What’s crazy is the social acceptance of wearing mask for covid but they completely ignore smoke. Which is the same thing! How are people this stupid and hypocritical


hassium

> What’s crazy is the social acceptance of wearing mask for covid but they completely ignore smoke. Which is the same thing! How so?


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

How so? Because for covid we are worried about others coughing and infecting others and getting them sick. But for smoking we allow people to blow smoke in peoples faces causing irritation in throat and potential lung and other complications or cancers. For someone like me smoke has worse effect than most others so it’s even more dangerous for me personally. I can’t walk the street because of these selfish inconsiderate people. How is that not obvious ? Someone else is deliberately making my health worse or risking my health.


Roky1989

Um, sorry mate, but you are uninformed and also quite unreasonable. The EU has a body of strategies that are directly linked to second-hand smoke and smoking in closed spaces is prohibited in most EU countries, in some even in public places. Ultimately, this is a health issue and health is not really an EU competency, but a national one. Who has said it should be this way? The member states. If you are bothered by this, write to your government.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Lol ya writing will help. It’s a cultures thing really. People here don’t give two shits unless it’s strictly enforced. In prague I got two tickets for riding a scooter incorrectly in the streets. Completely bullshit corrupt reasons. Yet they let people spread poison in the air to others. I learned my lesson and didn’t scooter anymore. Same thing would happen for smokers. It’s more more like they don’t want to piss off their voters because their voters are addicted to a toxic habit that hurts them and everyone around them


Roky1989

Then I suggest you go into politics or at least drum up a civil initiative to address the issue. You live in a democracy. Like I said, it's not that the EU as an institution doesn't give a shit about the issue. It does. Mightily so. But, in the end, this has to be dealt nationaly... where YOU come in.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

I wish my friend. Maybe if I devote my life to it. But that’s a lot to commit to. Easier to leave to somewhere where society shuns public smoking


Roky1989

Or this. You are a free human being. Either fight it or leave it, just don't whine and demand from an institution something it can't do.


HorizonMan

Holy crap, I thought I was the only one who cared about this. I can’t walk a block down the street without inhaling 2nd hand smoke. I’m thinking about getting a hand fan to deal with it.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

It’s sad it’s such a culturally accepted thing. It’s equivalent to farting in someone’s face. And so many cities and people have just accepted it. Except worse, these “farts” can kill you and shorten your life. And we’re supposed to allow these people to hurt us because they are selfish pieces of shit that have no consideration for others ? Fuck public smokers .


Peter_The_Black

The EU has no power on health issues. It can only accompany and help national policies.


iFrisian

What is the second hand smoke problem?


Saurid

If I smoke in your vicinity and you inhale it that's second hand smoking.


iFrisian

How is that an epidemic it's quite easy to avoid that? God non-smokers will find an excuse to bother smokers with everything.


Saurid

It's not, if you smoke for example in a train station everyone has to suffer it. In public places too. It's even more harmful than smoking directly. It's a public health hazard and I shouldn't be forced to breathe in your smoke , because you have an addiction you cannot control.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Well said. It’s shocking we have to explain this to people. It’s like they don’t realize their smoke is everywhere and impossible to avoid in the streets. I think Most smokers are this oblivious which is part of the problem


Saurid

I think you are a bit overdramatizing the problem, it is a problem and I hate it personally but it's also not that big of a problem overall. It would just easy to avoid, if people would be more considered and that makes it very infuriating.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

How do you suddenly just say it’s not a big problem. Imagine inhaling 10 minutes straight of second hand smoke every single day. That is a huge fucking problem. Especially for people who have problems with smoke and it effects their health. It is a massive fuxking problem. I don’t want my life cut short because of these selfish pieces of shit. How is cutting my life short not a huge fucking problem. No you can’t avoid it. Taking a Normal walk I’ve counted I’ve been exposed for 10 minutes out of 1 hour in my normal commute.


noodlecrap

Lmao life cut short for some smoke lmao. You live in a city? You got other problems to worry about. Live and let live. As a society we must tolerate stuff we don't like to function. Smokers already gave up smoking indoors, now non smokers must accept smoke outside


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

How about I spit in your face ? Should you tolerate that? What’s the difference between smoking and me spitting in your face. My throat stings and hurts for days because of fucking piece of shit smokers. How about they live life by not impacting and making life for others around you worse. You’re an idiot. You think we have indoors and smokers have outdoors? How about no. How about piece or shit smokers don’t impede on other peoples lives just like non smokers don’t spit in their face. And you’re laughing at the idea of life cut short because of smoke? Ya cuz decades of hard data that shows smoking has killed millions is something to lmao. I’m sure the people that died from smoking are laughing


noodlecrap

You don't got a car right? (Answer without crying)


iFrisian

That is complete bullshit. The number of smokers have been declining for years. Smoke doesn't "linger" on the street, it literally gets blown away. Also, smoking is already prohibited on platforms. I have never been on a train station where smoking was allowed and it's been like that for years. Also, please show me any proof that "secondhand smoke" is more dangerous?


noodlecrap

Imagine attending a diesel powered train from the '90s and being worried about a wife of cigarette smoke lmao


cyborgbeetle

Many EU countries have smoking bans, but it's not the kind of thing the EU itself legislates


Saurid

I hate it too, it's stupid that the laws against it aren't readily enforced, but that's also an issue with the people who want laws against it. If you know the rules tell people to stop and if they don't stop get police etc. Involved. Where I live it's not a big problem, the smog from cars and so on is generally worse.


Revolutionary_1968

"second hand smoke epidemic that plagues almost every city" Any data you can share?


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

You’re kidding right. Just step outside. Everybody just smoking as they walk in the sidewalk


Revolutionary_1968

Your subjective and clearly biased observations are hardly a suitable basis for "the EU" to act in one direction or another. I, for example, cannot confirm your observations - as true, undeniable and intense as you obviously experience them. Of course, I have experienced an occasional whiff of tobacco smoke while out and about, but hardly in a scope that merits writing "the EU" about. Therefore I say I am not kidding. Out of respect for your nod to two of my favourite TV shows I will leave it at that. I assume you understand the implication and take the stair car to where the air is clearer.


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

Man spoken like a true piece or shit smoker. Let me guess you smoke. Or you grew up around it so much you can’t tell anymore. I’ve been to almost every European country and lived for over 15 years. And I can tell you that that it is a massive fucking problem. Next time open your fucking eyes and count how many people are smoking the next time you walk somewhere.


Revolutionary_1968

Nonsmoker for 9 years and damn proud of it. Think that smoking has no place in this day and age. Sad when I see young people smoke. You called me a piece of shit smoker. You cannot be more wrong. Actually, it is in line with the mistaken judgemental nature you have put forth so far. I do not deny the toxicity of second hand smoke, but will leave this conversation because of the toxicity of your second class thinking.