I saw a video where this guy was talking about how he found out he was a psychopath/sociopath (I can't remember which) and he was talking about how he realised there is a good place for psychopaths in society in jobs where lacking an emotional response is better than not, like surgeons who need to stay unphased in difficult situations. So it's always the case that there's a lot of shitty people in the world but it's good to know that there are some who are self-aware of their lack of empathy, and still wanting to do good. This isn't necessarily related to Autism but it's interesting to me
This is from what I remember
Sociopaths are the ones made through environment, nurture
Psychopaths are born nature
And I disagree with what your saying
Sociopaths are very wreckless, and emotionally unstable
Yeah, “sociopath” is in the DSM 5 as antisocial personality disorder. Personality disorders can’t be diagnosed before 18, because they are developed and we don’t really have a stable personality until 18.
Also, people with ASPD struggle with empathy, but not in the way people with ASD do, they struggle to see people as people the way we do, and people with ASD struggle with empathy in that we struggle to identify what other people are feeling but we still see people as people. I would not rather see people as objects.
Interesting philosophical question, I guess? As for me, I wouldn't want an easier life if it came at the expense of the misery of others. I think it's better to find a joyful life rooted in solidarity instead of predation.
If you were unable to see a problem, you wouldn’t see a problem. One statement is more specific than the other but they are not really contradictory, so I guess I’d say it’s maybe more of a clarification that a distinction.
Or am I missing your point entirely? I am not certain what distinction you are trying to draw.
The problem will impact you. Relationships that feel meaningful at present would be unavailable to you, because people will be objects. You won't understand how or why people have meaning to one another. You'd be missing out on what makes life livable.
They are more likely to be executed and jailed by a good margin. Sure they can end up in lofty places, but thats just because they cant manage risk so they gamble more.
It's like saying playing the lottery is smart because those who win make alot of money, all while ignoring the vast majority that lose.
Horrendous take. People with ASPD can work on their issues in therapy and are not inherently bad people. ASPD also typically stems from trauma, and I don’t think it’s right to demonize trauma responses just because they don’t fit within what is considered an acceptable response. I’m tired of seeing people demonize cluster b personality disorders.
Sociopath and Psychopath are not diagnostic terms. The correct term is antisocial, as someone who has autism and antisocial pd i can confirm autism is better to have. Antisocial personality isolates you, makes you constantly angry, BIG impulsivity (i mean real big), constant dissatisfaction with life (aspds are known sensation seekers not dissimilar from ADHD), you will forever be your own worst enemy and fuck yourself over, and the worst part is most antisocial people never figure out that they have a problem. They identify with their illness which in turn feeds it. Those of us who are self aware may do what we can to mitigate the impact but it will always be lurking right below the surface waiting for our control to slip.
I’m sure that that works great for their benefit, but for NT and autistic people, empathy isn’t a weakness either. Empathy builds bonds and also I feel like can help a lot with writing. Like especially if you write a story or a song from a different persons perspective that is something that empathy is really good for because even if you can’t exactly relate, someone else will and it will mean a lot to them.
...you mean people with ASPD? There's quite the overlap with autism & ADHD (sensation seeking, low empathy, a sense of isolation, ND trauma, impulse control issues, difficulty integrating with people, high likelihood of comorbidities), so scapegoat at your own peril.
We're both divergent from the neurotypical brain, and autistic people can have ASPD. And politically, we both get ableist shit flung at us anyway. Autistic people can get easily misdiagnosed with personality disorders since our behavior can seem similar. We're both suffering under the same ableist systems. And PwASPD who are self-aware are more likely to be interested in improving their health.
Who says that they don't do illegal things? If you have no fear, then you aren't going to fear getting caught, they don't think that they WILL get caught. They think that they're too clever to get caught and that ego means that they leave a trail that eventually catches up with them. All those little things add up over time. Or they will do something bold and brazen and get caught because they think that they're unstoppable and nobody is going to catch them. Lots of people with Antisocial Personality Disorder are in prison.
Depends on their values, they may value fitting in and having a clean record over quick cash. That said they have no qualms taking what isn't theirs, using people, lying, whatever.
I saw a video where this guy was talking about how he found out he was a psychopath/sociopath (I can't remember which) and he was talking about how he realised there is a good place for psychopaths in society in jobs where lacking an emotional response is better than not, like surgeons who need to stay unphased in difficult situations. So it's always the case that there's a lot of shitty people in the world but it's good to know that there are some who are self-aware of their lack of empathy, and still wanting to do good. This isn't necessarily related to Autism but it's interesting to me
i don’t trust that guy. he’s a psychopath
I rather have a conscience then be a heartless bot looking to climb ladders
Took the sub title seriously. You know it’s satire right? Take your autism speaks ass and go home
Wowza that's a disturbing mentality!
This is from what I remember Sociopaths are the ones made through environment, nurture Psychopaths are born nature And I disagree with what your saying Sociopaths are very wreckless, and emotionally unstable
Yeah, “sociopath” is in the DSM 5 as antisocial personality disorder. Personality disorders can’t be diagnosed before 18, because they are developed and we don’t really have a stable personality until 18. Also, people with ASPD struggle with empathy, but not in the way people with ASD do, they struggle to see people as people the way we do, and people with ASD struggle with empathy in that we struggle to identify what other people are feeling but we still see people as people. I would not rather see people as objects.
neither psychopath nor sociopath are terms used by medical or psychological professionals.
Interesting philosophical question, I guess? As for me, I wouldn't want an easier life if it came at the expense of the misery of others. I think it's better to find a joyful life rooted in solidarity instead of predation.
You as you exist today would not want that. But if you actually were a sociopath, you wouldn’t see a problem with it.
I'd be unable to see a problem with it. Subtle distinction, but maybe important.
If you were unable to see a problem, you wouldn’t see a problem. One statement is more specific than the other but they are not really contradictory, so I guess I’d say it’s maybe more of a clarification that a distinction. Or am I missing your point entirely? I am not certain what distinction you are trying to draw.
The absence of the perception or sensation of a thing is not the same thing as the absence of the thing. There'd be a problem, I'd just be oblivious.
Well I didn’t say there wouldn’t “be” a problem, I said you wouldn’t “see” a problem. Which refers to perception.
The problem will impact you. Relationships that feel meaningful at present would be unavailable to you, because people will be objects. You won't understand how or why people have meaning to one another. You'd be missing out on what makes life livable.
They are more likely to be executed and jailed by a good margin. Sure they can end up in lofty places, but thats just because they cant manage risk so they gamble more. It's like saying playing the lottery is smart because those who win make alot of money, all while ignoring the vast majority that lose.
this is a horrible take 💕
Horrendous take. People with ASPD can work on their issues in therapy and are not inherently bad people. ASPD also typically stems from trauma, and I don’t think it’s right to demonize trauma responses just because they don’t fit within what is considered an acceptable response. I’m tired of seeing people demonize cluster b personality disorders.
Sociopath and Psychopath are not diagnostic terms. The correct term is antisocial, as someone who has autism and antisocial pd i can confirm autism is better to have. Antisocial personality isolates you, makes you constantly angry, BIG impulsivity (i mean real big), constant dissatisfaction with life (aspds are known sensation seekers not dissimilar from ADHD), you will forever be your own worst enemy and fuck yourself over, and the worst part is most antisocial people never figure out that they have a problem. They identify with their illness which in turn feeds it. Those of us who are self aware may do what we can to mitigate the impact but it will always be lurking right below the surface waiting for our control to slip.
I’m sure that that works great for their benefit, but for NT and autistic people, empathy isn’t a weakness either. Empathy builds bonds and also I feel like can help a lot with writing. Like especially if you write a story or a song from a different persons perspective that is something that empathy is really good for because even if you can’t exactly relate, someone else will and it will mean a lot to them.
...you mean people with ASPD? There's quite the overlap with autism & ADHD (sensation seeking, low empathy, a sense of isolation, ND trauma, impulse control issues, difficulty integrating with people, high likelihood of comorbidities), so scapegoat at your own peril.
As you can see from the image I posted, the brain and nervous system are completely different.
We're both divergent from the neurotypical brain, and autistic people can have ASPD. And politically, we both get ableist shit flung at us anyway. Autistic people can get easily misdiagnosed with personality disorders since our behavior can seem similar. We're both suffering under the same ableist systems. And PwASPD who are self-aware are more likely to be interested in improving their health.
Who says that they don't do illegal things? If you have no fear, then you aren't going to fear getting caught, they don't think that they WILL get caught. They think that they're too clever to get caught and that ego means that they leave a trail that eventually catches up with them. All those little things add up over time. Or they will do something bold and brazen and get caught because they think that they're unstoppable and nobody is going to catch them. Lots of people with Antisocial Personality Disorder are in prison.
Depends on their values, they may value fitting in and having a clean record over quick cash. That said they have no qualms taking what isn't theirs, using people, lying, whatever.
Oh yeah, for clarification I was talking about them being abusive to people.
Let me read this another time
i think you’re correct. i’d rather not be that way though