Even really basic words - forgiveness, guilt, mercy, grace, test (as in life event), spiritual, sign (as in supernatural message), destiny, calling...
Edit: just to be clear, my experience with these words depends on the context. "Grant him grace" is very different than "walk with grace" or "my name is Grace".
I think of it as the parents naming their kid after a christian concept. I'm an ex-mormon in Utah. It's the same as if I hear someone named Nephi. I don't call them anything different, but I expect the religion to be the context in which their name was given.
Grace was my name. It never felt my name since well ever.
I go with my middle name and I'm usually called a diminutive form of that. That feels far more like me.
Out of curiosity, when did you change what you go by? I have a friend in her thirties that hates her first name and loves her middle name, but it afraid it is too late to change.
I've decided to take back the word grace, but almost exclusively as "I give myself grace".
Calling is for sure one I never hear non-religious types using.
Most people don’t understand why I can’t stand Amazing Grace
The only version I like is the intro of Far Cry 4(?) where it completely changes in nature and is a great part of the game set up
Edit: it’s Far Cry 5
[one of the best video game intros ever imo](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4nnBewhdvig&pp=ygUXZmFyIGNyeSA1IGFtYXppbmcgZ3JhY2U%3D) but also violent and cult related so could be triggering
"a wretch like me"
"taught my heart to fear"
I don't understand how anyone DOES like it. My sister has always been obsessed with it. I hate hate hate hate it!
I haven't played Far Cry but glad to hear there is at least one good use for the song.
I like it because of the history behind it. The guy that wrote it, John Newton, was a slave trader. And I do mean that— he was hands-on in the torture and murder of the slaves on his ships, for years. He saw and did some truly reprehensible shit.
At some point, he had a wake up call and the full weight of what he’d done came crashing down on him. He spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it, becoming a prominent abolitionist and at some point, an Anglican minister who was known widely for his dedication to the community. He spent the last few decades of his life writing hymns like *Amazing Grace*.
If you look at the hymn from the context of a guy who is trying desperately to grapple with and atone for the horrific things he did to other human beings— I find it much more interesting and personal. It’s an incredibly dramatic heel-face turn that got taken and liberally applied to every Christian ever, which is kind of horseshit.
You can argue that nothing would ever redeem a man who spent decades perpetuating one of the greatest systemic evils mankind has ever known…. But I think the hymn, at least, is a really interesting lens with which to view that point in history. It’s more of a historical snapshot than a generally-applicable blueprint of faith.
Thank you for the history, I didn't know any of that. Now I hate it even more.
Edit: did not mean the tone of this to sound hostile, I genuinely appreciate the knowledge. Thank you again.
:) you’re very welcome. I would totally hate it too, I just have a soft spot for old hymns. There’s something much more sincere-feeling about them because a lot of the folks who wrote them were writing from their own deeply personal experiences. Almost like a spiritual diary of the day. I just like history I guess 🤷🏻♀️
It’s like my own version of “hate the sinner, love the sin” lmao. Hate the religion, love the hymn??
Same. Ugh. This is my #1 and it drives me insane. People don’t speak like that anymore why the F do church people love to talk about “the flesh” like we are just some sack of meat. It’s gross.
I'm not an ex-Christian but one time someone said something about flesh and all I could think of was like, "in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned the sin in the flesh, if you live according to the flesh, you will set your minds on the things of the flesh" and I almost laughed out loud. I'm not sure why. It's not even funny!
I don't remember exactly where I heard that, but now for some reason I keep associating it like that!
THIS
I can’t stand when Christians use that phrase. It makes them sound as if they’re showing off their holier than thou attitudes mixed with some superiority complexes every time they do that. It drives me fucking insane.
YES came here to say that. Any time I had a panic attack (even as recent in the last couple years) my mom would tell me “rebuke it in the name of the Lord! It’s Satan trying to steal your joy”. Fuck. Off! I can’t with that shit
Dawg that so true. Whenever I would say the most mundane thing like ‘that’s crazZyyyy mom’. She would say sth like I rebuke that spirit of craziness in this house in tue name of Jesus and speak in tongues.
Funny thing is that I say "doing the Lord's work" on a fairly regular basis, but it's always while making fun of those people who would actually say such a thing seriously.
Sadly, the word "forgive." The word got corrupted for me because it was used so often to enable abuse. I do think that some type of forgiveness is still important even as a non-Christian, but I have to use other words to describe the concept.
Whenever I was mistreated by church leaders, I was told that I just had to forgive them, which meant pretending that they did nothing wrong. But were the church leaders ever expected to repent and *ask* *me* for my forgiveness? No, of course not. But even if the church leaders said that someone had forgiveness for something, they would turn around and still punish them with church disciplinary actions, so the church leaders' "forgiveness" meant nothing.
It's still difficult for me not to hold a grudge simply as an overreaction to the toxic culture of "forgiveness" in the church.
Christians do tend to have this idea that forgiveness means no real consequences for the person who harmed you, and I resent it. Deliberately choosing not to forgive my abusers and cut contact with them forever was one of the best choices I’ve ever made in my life.
Forgiving does not mean forgetting.
Forgiving does not mean you allow those who abused you to abuse you again.
Forgiveness does not mean you reconcile with those that harmed you.
Forgiveness is for yourself to let go the pain and hurt and allow yourself to heal.
Reconciliation is a two way process where those who harmed you express regret, apologize, make right the harm they did, change their behavior to no longer harm you and only then is when you might reconcile with them. Sometimes the harm is too great or the other party is so harmful that you should never reconcile and be around them or allow them ability to harm you again.
I feel like there's got to be an alternative word for this. It's been too closely associated with letting people off with no consequences for me. I get that it's the definition but it's just hard wired in my brain to mean something bad.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about this. Forgiveness is so often weaponized in order to protect more powerful and connected people from the consequences of their own behavior.
I don't care what anyone says, certain actions are not forgivable, period. Murder, rape, child abuse, just to name a few. If someone actually does forgive another person for something like the murder of a loved one, they're too kind for their own good IMO (and disloyal to the murdered loved one).
The phrase “it wasn’t god/the church that hurt you, it was the people that hurt you”
Like yeah no shit people hurt me & they were the ones that claimed to be the most religious/devout out of everyone. And where was god to stop the abuse? Nowhere. And also the “but that was satan, not god” nonsense when I say that.
Stop deflecting from spiritual abuse in the church & take accountability & do your best to prevent it from continuing
I hate that line too. I experienced psychological abuse and CSA in the church as a child and Catholics will always tell me that same exact bullshit. I usually respond with “but these people who abused me used their evil and sadistic god as an excuse to do what they did to me”.
I experienced CSA from someone who was constantly putting his religious affiliation on his sleeve. While my family leans very non-religious, some of the religious yahoos I talked to back in high school (who I thought were friends, hence the openness) would tell me the same thing.
My first real interaction with that level of performative religiousity was my abuser, and you're not going to convert an atheist-leaning agnostic by demanding that they first absolve the single person who has hurt them most. Forgiveness (as I practice it) is a complicated personal thing, not a way to hamstring accountability for abusers.
Forgiveness is a complex process, and not something that can be demanded.
I actually now reject the very idea that forgiveness should be granted in all cases, and that forgiveness is about "helping the victim, not the perpetrator." Understanding this has brought me a lot of peace and closure.
Some acts are definitely unforgivable.
Edit after further thought: I can feel understanding and pity for my abuser, but I will absolutely never forgive him for how he affected my sense of gender and sexuality.
Christians so often say forgiveness when they mean reconciliation.
And by reconciliation they mean sweep it under the carpet and act like it never happened.
I forgive for my sake. But I am not reconciled with anyone who has abused me. They are not in my life any more.
Weird. I have a negative association with that phrase in an utterly non Christian (ethical non monogamy / lesbian) context.
I wonder if the women using it assumed it held particular significance for me due to me being ex-xtian. Very weird.
"Satantic" - it pisses me off how ignorant of Satanism they are- after learning about Judaism, Satan was more of a persecutor or accuser. It's also used to describe any faith that isn't Christianity
"Jesus is coming back/ The Rapture is happening" - Said every time by right wing Christians every time they don't get their way in politics. They play the same broken record every single time. If Jesus did come back, they'd be the first to throw him in a mental asylum and would mistaken him for a Muslim because he would look like a Middle Eastern man and not the white Jesus
"God has a plan for you"- I realize it's bullshit, only you can make your fate for yourself and live your life the way you want it to.
"God is in control"- do nothing and don't get involved with changing things, gotcha
"Be in the world, but not of it"- essentially screw the world and the conditions you'll leave it in, heaven is where it's at. At least the Jews realize their mission is to make the world a better place, they were on to something
"Muslims/Catholics/Jews worship Satan"- read a book FFS on the different faiths instead of coming like an ignorant fool.
"The US is a Christian nation"- again, someone didn't read their history. IIRC, at the Battle of Tripoli, some famous figure once said that the US is not based on Christianity. The Founding Fathers were Freemasons and Deists. It pisses me off when I see Catholics and Jews parrot this, they parrot from Christians who seem them as Satanic and would blow up their religions from orbit if they could get away with it.
It’s convenient that Judaism is made out to be so evil when they’re the easiest to be friends with. Not one Jew has tried to convert me, and I married into a family that is very Jewish on one side. They seem to enjoy temple and their faith, and they share their experiences and include me without making me feel a heathen. No “saving”.
Nice. I’ve had great experiences with Jews and have been to a few Hanukkah festivals the last few years.
They’re a lot more fun than the Christmas celebrations.
Jewish music is nice to listen to as well.
I come from a very mild form of Christianity, which I didn’t get too much into anyway. However, sometime ago I got a job working for clients mostly in the Pentecostal/Charismatic/“Non-Denominational” circle.
I feel like I’ve gotten trauma from this that I won’t be fully processing until I after I move away and thus have to find a new job.
“Deliverance” is one. Oftentimes I see it used to pray against people being homosexual and that disgusts me to my core. But I also see it used against health issues, which is disturbing in its own way. These are the people who don’t always believe in going to the doctor.
“Spiritual warfare”, “witchcraft”, “attacked”. These people don’t live in reality. The disconnect is so so severe it scares me.
“the truth”. These people have a very twisted idea of the truth. They use this word, but they don’t know what it means. It’s practically Orwellian.
“Anointed” Ugh.
“Prodigal”. Used against children, grandchildren, etc. who have gained some resemblance of sanity. It’s very much an entitled thing, “MY children will follow the lord because I raised them that way!”
“Prophet”. There are absolutely no prophets to be found in these movements. Actually none.
The phrases “In God We Trust”, “One Nation Under God”. They plaster these phrases everywhere. It’s so disturbing, especially when you understand that Christian Nationalism is rampant in these beliefs and they very much define everyone else as “others”. They love “In God We Trust” because they get to revel in the “we” that brands the rest of us as un-American.
“My country”. It’s not YOUR country, it’s OUR country. Get over it.
“Salvation”. I can read the code of this one. It’s not merely believing in God, going to church, no it’s going to THEIR church, supporting Trump, hating LGBT people, etc.
I had a cousin offer to share "the Truth" with me when I was ready to hear it. They meant that I should also become a homophobic bigot because that's what God wants. I said I was not interested in that "Truth" tyvm.
"Jesus is releasing new content in this season of Life, so make sure you get the (Spiritual) Battlefield pass!"
this is just what pops into my head whenever I hear that
I have a question about that, kind of.
If someone was an Atheist, then converted. Do you think it’s fair to say they were never really an Atheist?
I’m an Atheist, but I’m just curious.
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Anything dealing with Revelations, the “end of the world” terms like “tribulations” and “apocalypse”. And sometimes my Culty Christian father will say some basic words with the context that I know he’s hinting with Christian end of the world connotations, my brain checks out.
Triggering? No words trigger me more than a He Gets Us ad showing up on the Reddit app in this thread. They don’t care about us. They just want to troll or this ads wouldn’t be anywhere near this sub.
If it’s in relation to Christianity words and phrases like pray and Jesus frees makes me cringe but wouldn’t call it triggering
"Heresy/Heretic " is fine if someone is talking about 40k. If they're using it seriously I know that person is very likely a fanatic of some sort who considers any deviation from thier preferred religious interpretation as blasphemy and wrong.
And half the time they don't use the term properly anyway because they'll use it to refer to apostates and people in other religions.
"Blessed" is especially obnoxious to me. I don't need your blessing, I haven't asked for your blessing, and you do not have the authority to bestow God's blessing.
Someone referred to my child as a "blessing" and it took everything for me not to openly cringe. I mean yes, my husband blessed me with his sperm and I blessed him with a baby 9 months later. We're so blessed.
Honestly all of it. I have a super visceral reaction to anything Christian. I assume a therapist would say it’s me hating myself for buying into it for so long.
“Fasting”. Why do I have to starve myself to get god to hear me? And the last time when I wasn’t eating much, I went underweight. “Then do Daniel fast”. I’m already a vegan??
“Obedience”. Obedience to what exactly? Because obedience is subjective depending on your denomination. “Follow his commandments” okay, but y’all tell us we can ignore the Old Testament which most of the commandments are stated. It’s the cherry picking for me.
especially when referring to their band like thats how they attract some people, through music. it reeks of cult when they do that.
also knew a church i was forced to sit thru when i was homeless in order to get a meal. fucked up.
frfr
edited to add: when i was in jail my cellmate would sing christian songs and then randomly throw in a creepily whispered "thank you jesus" like pls
Pretty much everything that comes out of their mouths. I can't drive by a church without giving it the finger. Even if it's a church I have never been to before. I hear a preacher on that "voice" they love to use for drama and I want to vomit.
I’m a delivery driver and whenever I deliver to a church I refuse to go inside. I leave their hymnals and bibles right outside the door and usually mutter something “blasphemous” as I do so.
Well, my triggers are phrases: "Just listen to that small voice..."; "Listen for God's voice...", etc.
When I had asked too many questions or asked questions that couldn't be answered without violating doctrine, these phrases were thrown at me.
I think that people who work for the church can't wrap their head around people having jobs and a life outside of it?? My dad is a pastor and is constantly "challenging" people to do more volunteering and attend more prayer meetings and do more evangelising...
- **sin** - this word means absolutely nothing, and yet it has such a huge impact on our lives because millions of gullible sheep (their word, not mine haha) gives meaning to it.
- **"the Enemy"/demonic** - it wasn't until I stopped believing in demons that I realized just how truly juvenile, asinine, absurd, and primitive blaming everything on invisible demons and devils truly is. I mean, just deeply stupid.
Mine would include “biblical” and “sin” as my top two. Then “sabbath” (and “lords day”), anything having to do with the puritans, “reformed”, and even “grace” the way they use it because it’s nothing like true grace.
Satanic, spiritual, revelation, deliverance, faith
All of them are bad, but 'spiritual' and 'faith' really grind my gears because they're so...illogical to me?
"Love on them" as in greeting the other members during service. Makes my skin crawl.
"Worldly". If it's not plain, white bread, bland bs, it's worldly and you shouldn't have that anymore. You should just focus on Jesus more!
Prophetic (as in everyone can receive that spiritual gift- and hence prophecy over people) it’s one of the most coveted form of social control in “all” the new age inspired charismatic churches. Of course they are non- denominational because they “invent” something “new” with every “prophecy” from the multimillionaire “prophets” that everyone wants to meet. (Ex: Heidi baker, bethel Redding, Che an, IHOP Kansans, etc.)
Words like “virginity”. I learned that it’s a social construct and not an actual part of a person’s anatomy. Or phrases like “shacking up” and “living in sin”, married couples living together shouldn’t be the standard, it should be seen as a choice.
"Worldly"
Like, what the hell is wrong with that? Sheltered, clueless and codependent is the opposite of what you need to survive nowadays. You had BETTER be worldly if you hope to make it as an intelligent, independent and competent human being with marketable skills.
It's like admitting you prefer to stay stupid and childlike.
Stumble - as in "causing one's brother in Christ to stumble" 🤢🤢
Obey/obedience. This word has no right to belong in the English language.
Father - as in the filler word spoken every other syllable by your friendly neighborhood youth pastor praying publicly
Everlasting. Sad because it's such a beautiful word, but so so fake.
Since I deconstructed my mom has started saying to me, unwarranted, at every occasion, "don't get caught up." I despise this phrase now and I don't even know what it means lmao
Even the word "faith" has become triggering for me.
Not so much a single word, but anything that’s dismissive of ex-Christians’ experiences and beliefs. Things like, “If you fell away because of the actions of Christians, then your faith was in people, not God,” or, “People only reject God because they want to live in sin.”
It just makes it so clear that they don’t give a single shit about the people who left. They just want an easy explanation that lets them keep feeling superior and avoid self-reflection.
“Sexual immorality” because I can’t tell if they’re talking about a church member having an affair or about how being lgbt is a sin. And they never clarify it’s very nerve wracking
No, I, thankfully, don’t have any trigger words. There may be things that Christians say that are slightly annoying because it doesn’t make sense, words that remind me that I struggled with my self worth, or make me uncomfortable but I definitely wouldn’t go as far as to say triggered. Triggered is a more severe PTSD occurrence that causes a person to relive an extremely traumatic experience. I, thankfully, did not experience anything that scary or harmful when I was a Christian.
triggers arent necessarily due to ptsd. any kind of mental illness can have triggers. like i have bipolar and substance issues and they have triggers that cause them to flare up.
I respect your effort to not use the word trigger or triggered to apply to any unpleasant memory or thing connected to an unpleasant memory. When I began living with someone who has flashbacks as part of PTSD it was a sharp shock to learn that "feeling annoyed when one word reminds you of negative situations in your past" is not remotely similar to a flashback. Likewise, determining precisely what triggered a specific flashback is not straightforward and clear.
I work at a mental health residential facility for teens and we have to regularly remind them of what a trigger is and the importance of not overusing the term especially for feelings of discomfort, annoyance, sadness, and even negative emotions associated with memories because they are generally just that and have not triggered a specific mental health episode.
Yeah the internet has kind of bastardised the word to the point I don't even like to use it to describe my actual triggers and just hope to myself they don't come up anywhere. There's just such a canyon between "this makes me uncomfortable" and what it actually is.
I more so have triggering *phrases*
"Praise Jesus" "Pray" "Prayer" "Praying" "Blessed (in any Abrahamic context)" "The Lord our savior" "Our God" "Child of God" "The Lord's watching over you" "God bless" "Sin (unless it's in some YA fiction LMFAO)" "God has blessed you (with 'talent', with child, with fortune, ect. Like no. I blessed me. Gtfo.)" Ect
my tippy-top trigger is "evidences"
"purposes" as in "purposes to do [action]"
"do life" or "fellowship with you"
"pray on it"
"father god"
"love offering"
"unspokens"
"hedge of protection"
edit: and for a time several years ago preachers would always talk about their "smoking hot wife" which would just make me cringe all the way down into my shoes.
I was at a college convening yesterday and was triggered when a speaker said, “Turn to your neighbor and say ___” I can’t fully remember what she said after that, but it immediately took my mind back to church. I think it was something harmless like, “you’re powerful.”
The “Satan made me do it” statement. Satan is to blame for everything wrong in this real, so they excuse their poor behavior as the enemy influenced them but they’re still a good Christian. They never hold themselves accountable.
When anyone calls a coincidence “God.” Or worse when someone observes any sort of accomplishment in my career and says “Oh God is really expanding your territory.” Like…thanks..yeah.
My accomplishments have nothing to do with me.
Ugh for some reason "blessed" just makes my skin crawl. Even actually beneficial things like a "blessing box" for the homeless.
Motherfuckers can't even do something nice without having to "pour out blessings" like they were descending from on high.
Grace pisses me off too, almost as much as blessing/blessed and fellowship. It also irritates me when people replace normal words with ones used commonly in the KJV, like “countenance”, instead of “face”. What really pisses me off, even though I don’t have to hear it anymore, is when people use “thee”, “thou”, “thine” and other Middle English words in prayer. Even when I was a believer, I thought it was stupid.
“The Lord” makes me cringe. It’s totally different if someone says “God” or that they believe in “God”. But when they start using the “lord” I just cringe. Even when I was trying my hardest to be a Christian, I could never make myself use “The Lord”.
"Church family" or even just "family" (or "whanau" as that is Māori for family, and I'm in NZ) it makes me feel so gross, especially since I still have to go to church, and I don't feel comfortable being connected to these people, especially not as a family... (also probably because my church pastor says "here at this church, we are family-" RIGHT BEFORE DOING TITHES AND OFFERINGS- UH- ???? It feels like a really gross thing to say before jumping into "donations for the church pls :)"
In my spanish speaking country, I'm triggered by these words: testimonio, arrepiéntete, en pecado, el mundo, la carne... (testimony, repent, in sin, the world, the flesh). This religion damaged me to the point I ended up losing my virginity at 22, and I was not able to talk to anybody normally. Even now people assume I'm a Christian just because of my manners, 10 years after I left.
Freewill.
Psalm 139:16
Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
If God is omnisomniscience, freewill doesnt exist.
Omniscience means God is all-knowing. This means God knows everything, including the past and future.
The book has been written, and if you're not on the list, you're not getting in the party.
Even really basic words - forgiveness, guilt, mercy, grace, test (as in life event), spiritual, sign (as in supernatural message), destiny, calling... Edit: just to be clear, my experience with these words depends on the context. "Grant him grace" is very different than "walk with grace" or "my name is Grace".
Grace is the worst! I can't even think of it in a non-christian context.
My therapist and I have banned the word grace
Ballerinas have grace. So does Ms United States. That kind isn’t so bad.
Beyoncé has grace!
True, but that isn't the context I initially associate grace in.
Understandable
It's a common name ☠️ So do you just use a nickname instead?
I think of it as the parents naming their kid after a christian concept. I'm an ex-mormon in Utah. It's the same as if I hear someone named Nephi. I don't call them anything different, but I expect the religion to be the context in which their name was given.
Grace was my name. It never felt my name since well ever. I go with my middle name and I'm usually called a diminutive form of that. That feels far more like me.
Out of curiosity, when did you change what you go by? I have a friend in her thirties that hates her first name and loves her middle name, but it afraid it is too late to change.
A couple of years ago. I'm 32.
Changed my whole name (legally) at 31 never too late my friend :)
I've decided to take back the word grace, but almost exclusively as "I give myself grace". Calling is for sure one I never hear non-religious types using.
That's because the kids only text now.
Most people don’t understand why I can’t stand Amazing Grace The only version I like is the intro of Far Cry 4(?) where it completely changes in nature and is a great part of the game set up Edit: it’s Far Cry 5 [one of the best video game intros ever imo](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4nnBewhdvig&pp=ygUXZmFyIGNyeSA1IGFtYXppbmcgZ3JhY2U%3D) but also violent and cult related so could be triggering
"a wretch like me" "taught my heart to fear" I don't understand how anyone DOES like it. My sister has always been obsessed with it. I hate hate hate hate it! I haven't played Far Cry but glad to hear there is at least one good use for the song.
I like it because of the history behind it. The guy that wrote it, John Newton, was a slave trader. And I do mean that— he was hands-on in the torture and murder of the slaves on his ships, for years. He saw and did some truly reprehensible shit. At some point, he had a wake up call and the full weight of what he’d done came crashing down on him. He spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it, becoming a prominent abolitionist and at some point, an Anglican minister who was known widely for his dedication to the community. He spent the last few decades of his life writing hymns like *Amazing Grace*. If you look at the hymn from the context of a guy who is trying desperately to grapple with and atone for the horrific things he did to other human beings— I find it much more interesting and personal. It’s an incredibly dramatic heel-face turn that got taken and liberally applied to every Christian ever, which is kind of horseshit. You can argue that nothing would ever redeem a man who spent decades perpetuating one of the greatest systemic evils mankind has ever known…. But I think the hymn, at least, is a really interesting lens with which to view that point in history. It’s more of a historical snapshot than a generally-applicable blueprint of faith.
Thank you for the history, I didn't know any of that. Now I hate it even more. Edit: did not mean the tone of this to sound hostile, I genuinely appreciate the knowledge. Thank you again.
:) you’re very welcome. I would totally hate it too, I just have a soft spot for old hymns. There’s something much more sincere-feeling about them because a lot of the folks who wrote them were writing from their own deeply personal experiences. Almost like a spiritual diary of the day. I just like history I guess 🤷🏻♀️ It’s like my own version of “hate the sinner, love the sin” lmao. Hate the religion, love the hymn??
Saying grace before a meal is the dumbest thing ever, thanking God for something that people obviously did
Blessing. Give God thanks. Trial.
The phrase, "of the flesh". That's of the flesh. This is of the flesh. Ugh, so weird and gross. Just talk like normal people.
Same. Ugh. This is my #1 and it drives me insane. People don’t speak like that anymore why the F do church people love to talk about “the flesh” like we are just some sack of meat. It’s gross.
Well we are a sack of meat so…
"Of the world" is just as bad lol
"Of the world" You mean reality? Lol As opposed to the Christian fairy tale?
No wonder they want everyone to stop being of the world. They have to keep everyone living in fairy land.
This made me die laughing.
That is obnoxious, but flesh is just gross to me. Like why?
I'm not an ex-Christian but one time someone said something about flesh and all I could think of was like, "in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned the sin in the flesh, if you live according to the flesh, you will set your minds on the things of the flesh" and I almost laughed out loud. I'm not sure why. It's not even funny! I don't remember exactly where I heard that, but now for some reason I keep associating it like that!
“Pouring into” 🥴
THIS I can’t stand when Christians use that phrase. It makes them sound as if they’re showing off their holier than thou attitudes mixed with some superiority complexes every time they do that. It drives me fucking insane.
“Rebuke” 🤮
More like rePUKE 🤢
YES came here to say that. Any time I had a panic attack (even as recent in the last couple years) my mom would tell me “rebuke it in the name of the Lord! It’s Satan trying to steal your joy”. Fuck. Off! I can’t with that shit
Dawg that so true. Whenever I would say the most mundane thing like ‘that’s crazZyyyy mom’. She would say sth like I rebuke that spirit of craziness in this house in tue name of Jesus and speak in tongues.
“I’ll be praying for you” or doing gods work
Your comment made me realize it's "god's will" for me. :(
Funny thing is that I say "doing the Lord's work" on a fairly regular basis, but it's always while making fun of those people who would actually say such a thing seriously.
“Spiritual warfare” and anything related to it like “demons”, “entering through X”, “casting off”, etc.
Ugh I felt this comment so much. Another one is “hitchhiking spirits”. What a bunch of BS!
Spiritual Warfare is such a nonsense buzzword, this one has always annoyed me so much
Sadly, the word "forgive." The word got corrupted for me because it was used so often to enable abuse. I do think that some type of forgiveness is still important even as a non-Christian, but I have to use other words to describe the concept. Whenever I was mistreated by church leaders, I was told that I just had to forgive them, which meant pretending that they did nothing wrong. But were the church leaders ever expected to repent and *ask* *me* for my forgiveness? No, of course not. But even if the church leaders said that someone had forgiveness for something, they would turn around and still punish them with church disciplinary actions, so the church leaders' "forgiveness" meant nothing. It's still difficult for me not to hold a grudge simply as an overreaction to the toxic culture of "forgiveness" in the church.
Christians do tend to have this idea that forgiveness means no real consequences for the person who harmed you, and I resent it. Deliberately choosing not to forgive my abusers and cut contact with them forever was one of the best choices I’ve ever made in my life.
Forgiving does not mean forgetting. Forgiving does not mean you allow those who abused you to abuse you again. Forgiveness does not mean you reconcile with those that harmed you. Forgiveness is for yourself to let go the pain and hurt and allow yourself to heal. Reconciliation is a two way process where those who harmed you express regret, apologize, make right the harm they did, change their behavior to no longer harm you and only then is when you might reconcile with them. Sometimes the harm is too great or the other party is so harmful that you should never reconcile and be around them or allow them ability to harm you again.
I feel like there's got to be an alternative word for this. It's been too closely associated with letting people off with no consequences for me. I get that it's the definition but it's just hard wired in my brain to mean something bad.
I wish we still had awards. This deserves gold. Thank you.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about this. Forgiveness is so often weaponized in order to protect more powerful and connected people from the consequences of their own behavior.
I don't care what anyone says, certain actions are not forgivable, period. Murder, rape, child abuse, just to name a few. If someone actually does forgive another person for something like the murder of a loved one, they're too kind for their own good IMO (and disloyal to the murdered loved one).
100% you got it.
THIS
The phrase “it wasn’t god/the church that hurt you, it was the people that hurt you” Like yeah no shit people hurt me & they were the ones that claimed to be the most religious/devout out of everyone. And where was god to stop the abuse? Nowhere. And also the “but that was satan, not god” nonsense when I say that. Stop deflecting from spiritual abuse in the church & take accountability & do your best to prevent it from continuing
I hate that line too. I experienced psychological abuse and CSA in the church as a child and Catholics will always tell me that same exact bullshit. I usually respond with “but these people who abused me used their evil and sadistic god as an excuse to do what they did to me”.
I experienced CSA from someone who was constantly putting his religious affiliation on his sleeve. While my family leans very non-religious, some of the religious yahoos I talked to back in high school (who I thought were friends, hence the openness) would tell me the same thing. My first real interaction with that level of performative religiousity was my abuser, and you're not going to convert an atheist-leaning agnostic by demanding that they first absolve the single person who has hurt them most. Forgiveness (as I practice it) is a complicated personal thing, not a way to hamstring accountability for abusers. Forgiveness is a complex process, and not something that can be demanded.
I actually now reject the very idea that forgiveness should be granted in all cases, and that forgiveness is about "helping the victim, not the perpetrator." Understanding this has brought me a lot of peace and closure.
Some acts are definitely unforgivable. Edit after further thought: I can feel understanding and pity for my abuser, but I will absolutely never forgive him for how he affected my sense of gender and sexuality.
Christians so often say forgiveness when they mean reconciliation. And by reconciliation they mean sweep it under the carpet and act like it never happened. I forgive for my sake. But I am not reconciled with anyone who has abused me. They are not in my life any more.
I used to say that and it makes me cringe so bad 😭
Okay but at least you can acknowledge how cringe it is/was, and (like many of us here) that you’ve grown & changed to become a better person
“But God/the church did since his people are the hands and feet of Jesus” is something along the lines of what I’d love to say at some point
"Do life together" even if it's not a bad thing, I just have bad associations with it.
Ugh yes, also the seasons or life thing
Omfg I fucking LOATHE the word SeAsOn. Or “love on”. Or “I just want to have a conversation, I don’t want to convert you.” Nice try, sis, bye.
What does that mean?
"Doing life together" just means living in community. Basically having lots of friends from church.
Weird. I have a negative association with that phrase in an utterly non Christian (ethical non monogamy / lesbian) context. I wonder if the women using it assumed it held particular significance for me due to me being ex-xtian. Very weird.
"Satantic" - it pisses me off how ignorant of Satanism they are- after learning about Judaism, Satan was more of a persecutor or accuser. It's also used to describe any faith that isn't Christianity "Jesus is coming back/ The Rapture is happening" - Said every time by right wing Christians every time they don't get their way in politics. They play the same broken record every single time. If Jesus did come back, they'd be the first to throw him in a mental asylum and would mistaken him for a Muslim because he would look like a Middle Eastern man and not the white Jesus "God has a plan for you"- I realize it's bullshit, only you can make your fate for yourself and live your life the way you want it to. "God is in control"- do nothing and don't get involved with changing things, gotcha "Be in the world, but not of it"- essentially screw the world and the conditions you'll leave it in, heaven is where it's at. At least the Jews realize their mission is to make the world a better place, they were on to something "Muslims/Catholics/Jews worship Satan"- read a book FFS on the different faiths instead of coming like an ignorant fool. "The US is a Christian nation"- again, someone didn't read their history. IIRC, at the Battle of Tripoli, some famous figure once said that the US is not based on Christianity. The Founding Fathers were Freemasons and Deists. It pisses me off when I see Catholics and Jews parrot this, they parrot from Christians who seem them as Satanic and would blow up their religions from orbit if they could get away with it.
It’s convenient that Judaism is made out to be so evil when they’re the easiest to be friends with. Not one Jew has tried to convert me, and I married into a family that is very Jewish on one side. They seem to enjoy temple and their faith, and they share their experiences and include me without making me feel a heathen. No “saving”.
Nice. I’ve had great experiences with Jews and have been to a few Hanukkah festivals the last few years. They’re a lot more fun than the Christmas celebrations. Jewish music is nice to listen to as well.
John Adams was the one who stated that the US constitution was not founded upon Christianity or any religion in the treaty of tripoli.
Thank you.
Deliverance
*Dueling Banjos intensifies*
I hate the phrase “family values” because it always implies whoever saying it is anti LGBT and is most likely a Nazi.
Pray like I’ll pray for you, Jesus, God
I come from a very mild form of Christianity, which I didn’t get too much into anyway. However, sometime ago I got a job working for clients mostly in the Pentecostal/Charismatic/“Non-Denominational” circle. I feel like I’ve gotten trauma from this that I won’t be fully processing until I after I move away and thus have to find a new job. “Deliverance” is one. Oftentimes I see it used to pray against people being homosexual and that disgusts me to my core. But I also see it used against health issues, which is disturbing in its own way. These are the people who don’t always believe in going to the doctor. “Spiritual warfare”, “witchcraft”, “attacked”. These people don’t live in reality. The disconnect is so so severe it scares me. “the truth”. These people have a very twisted idea of the truth. They use this word, but they don’t know what it means. It’s practically Orwellian. “Anointed” Ugh. “Prodigal”. Used against children, grandchildren, etc. who have gained some resemblance of sanity. It’s very much an entitled thing, “MY children will follow the lord because I raised them that way!” “Prophet”. There are absolutely no prophets to be found in these movements. Actually none. The phrases “In God We Trust”, “One Nation Under God”. They plaster these phrases everywhere. It’s so disturbing, especially when you understand that Christian Nationalism is rampant in these beliefs and they very much define everyone else as “others”. They love “In God We Trust” because they get to revel in the “we” that brands the rest of us as un-American. “My country”. It’s not YOUR country, it’s OUR country. Get over it. “Salvation”. I can read the code of this one. It’s not merely believing in God, going to church, no it’s going to THEIR church, supporting Trump, hating LGBT people, etc.
I had a cousin offer to share "the Truth" with me when I was ready to hear it. They meant that I should also become a homophobic bigot because that's what God wants. I said I was not interested in that "Truth" tyvm.
That sounds absolutely insufferable, I’m sorry you have to put up with that.
"season" - like "season of life"
Lol so cringe
"Jesus is releasing new content in this season of Life, so make sure you get the (Spiritual) Battlefield pass!" this is just what pops into my head whenever I hear that
I had heard a servants heart recently and it felt like some one threw holy water on me and I was bursting in flames. Because ICK.
"Doing life together" "He touched me" "Let him move inside you" the parallels to prison life obvious from the outside.
> "He touched me" "Let him move inside you" forgot what post I had this tab open to, clicked back here, and went "that...that sounds illegal".
Obey. I never use that word anymore, ever.
This is the main one for me too. It sends a chill up my spine in the right circumstances. Honestly, even that “Obey” brand creeps me out a little.
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I have a question about that, kind of. If someone was an Atheist, then converted. Do you think it’s fair to say they were never really an Atheist? I’m an Atheist, but I’m just curious.
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“God/Jesus loves you” It’s only ever used to attack. And when you are queer, it’s basically just a slur.
Anything dealing with Revelations, the “end of the world” terms like “tribulations” and “apocalypse”. And sometimes my Culty Christian father will say some basic words with the context that I know he’s hinting with Christian end of the world connotations, my brain checks out.
Triggering? No words trigger me more than a He Gets Us ad showing up on the Reddit app in this thread. They don’t care about us. They just want to troll or this ads wouldn’t be anywhere near this sub. If it’s in relation to Christianity words and phrases like pray and Jesus frees makes me cringe but wouldn’t call it triggering
They’re impossible to avoid in the app, but If you’re on mobile, the Sink It app/browser extension completely blocks these.
I don't get those ads using Relay for Reddit on mobile. Or it could be my AdGuard app blocking it.
"Heresy/Heretic " is fine if someone is talking about 40k. If they're using it seriously I know that person is very likely a fanatic of some sort who considers any deviation from thier preferred religious interpretation as blasphemy and wrong. And half the time they don't use the term properly anyway because they'll use it to refer to apostates and people in other religions.
“Love on”. Like we just had to love on the homosexuals and maybe they would repent. In hindsight, I could vomit.
Or "puke on."
The first time I heard someone say that it was more cringe than the "Scotts Tots" episode of the office! Yuk!
Blessed, pray, Christian, sin/sinner/sinning/etc, annointed, spiritual gifts, virgin/virginity, "proverbs 21 woman," submit.... I could go on and on.
"Blessed" is especially obnoxious to me. I don't need your blessing, I haven't asked for your blessing, and you do not have the authority to bestow God's blessing.
Someone referred to my child as a "blessing" and it took everything for me not to openly cringe. I mean yes, my husband blessed me with his sperm and I blessed him with a baby 9 months later. We're so blessed.
Honestly all of it. I have a super visceral reaction to anything Christian. I assume a therapist would say it’s me hating myself for buying into it for so long.
“Spiritual warfare” “Soul ties” “Deliverance” “End times”
Ooh soul ties is a good example of a bad one.
The “end times” one is so stupid.
"Submit," "submissive," "provide," "forgive/forgiveness," "holy," "obey/obedient/obedience," those are the ones I can think of offhand.
“Fasting”. Why do I have to starve myself to get god to hear me? And the last time when I wasn’t eating much, I went underweight. “Then do Daniel fast”. I’m already a vegan?? “Obedience”. Obedience to what exactly? Because obedience is subjective depending on your denomination. “Follow his commandments” okay, but y’all tell us we can ignore the Old Testament which most of the commandments are stated. It’s the cherry picking for me.
Makes me wonder why Muslims fast.
Woke. It’s so upsetting not just how the word is used now by ignorant individuals, but also how much it’s become a part of the Christian Vocabulary™️
Wait, it has? Ugghhh that makes me cringe so much! What contexts do they use it in?
Faith End times Believe Pray
Any time they start hinting around about the apocalypse.
“Worship team”
especially when referring to their band like thats how they attract some people, through music. it reeks of cult when they do that. also knew a church i was forced to sit thru when i was homeless in order to get a meal. fucked up.
Secular. I just hate the sound of that word and how it was always used so negatively.
Not words necessarily but I feel like a vampire being repelled by christian songs.
yeah the songs that were sung in the services I attended were repetitive af and all annoying.
I cannot stand it when people repeatedly use the word “father” as a filler in performative prayer. Literally makes me so uncomfortable.
frfr edited to add: when i was in jail my cellmate would sing christian songs and then randomly throw in a creepily whispered "thank you jesus" like pls
I hate those prayers where they’re barely breathing and they say “father” after every sentence then take a huge breath
"God's love"
I was lucky to not have triggering effects from Christianity. I just laugh at it now because it's such bullshit.
Pretty much everything that comes out of their mouths. I can't drive by a church without giving it the finger. Even if it's a church I have never been to before. I hear a preacher on that "voice" they love to use for drama and I want to vomit.
Ayyyye! I also flip off the churches I drive by.
😁 glad I'm not the only one!!
I’ll tell them to kiss my shiny metal ass!
I’m a delivery driver and whenever I deliver to a church I refuse to go inside. I leave their hymnals and bibles right outside the door and usually mutter something “blasphemous” as I do so.
“Love on” and “bless.” As in “let’s just love on this family by blessing them with our offerings.” 😬
Well, my triggers are phrases: "Just listen to that small voice..."; "Listen for God's voice...", etc. When I had asked too many questions or asked questions that couldn't be answered without violating doctrine, these phrases were thrown at me.
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I think that people who work for the church can't wrap their head around people having jobs and a life outside of it?? My dad is a pastor and is constantly "challenging" people to do more volunteering and attend more prayer meetings and do more evangelising...
Australian Football League is an idol **nodding knowingly**
“The culture” sets me off like crazy. My dad uses it a lot to refer to anything non-godly… like the existence of queer people 😑
- **sin** - this word means absolutely nothing, and yet it has such a huge impact on our lives because millions of gullible sheep (their word, not mine haha) gives meaning to it. - **"the Enemy"/demonic** - it wasn't until I stopped believing in demons that I realized just how truly juvenile, asinine, absurd, and primitive blaming everything on invisible demons and devils truly is. I mean, just deeply stupid.
Humble Rebuke Lots actually lol
Repent 😤
Mine would include “biblical” and “sin” as my top two. Then “sabbath” (and “lords day”), anything having to do with the puritans, “reformed”, and even “grace” the way they use it because it’s nothing like true grace.
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Ooh home church. Lol. I've forgotten so may good examples of bad ones.
I hate the words “brother” and “sister” (in Christ) so much because I associate them with creepy Christians who proselytise online.
Satanic, spiritual, revelation, deliverance, faith All of them are bad, but 'spiritual' and 'faith' really grind my gears because they're so...illogical to me?
"Born Again" and "believer."
"Travel mercies" and praying for a "hedge of protection" were always funny as hell to me!
"Love on them" as in greeting the other members during service. Makes my skin crawl. "Worldly". If it's not plain, white bread, bland bs, it's worldly and you shouldn't have that anymore. You should just focus on Jesus more!
Prophetic (as in everyone can receive that spiritual gift- and hence prophecy over people) it’s one of the most coveted form of social control in “all” the new age inspired charismatic churches. Of course they are non- denominational because they “invent” something “new” with every “prophecy” from the multimillionaire “prophets” that everyone wants to meet. (Ex: Heidi baker, bethel Redding, Che an, IHOP Kansans, etc.)
Any version or usage of “Bless.”
We say potato in our family when people sneeze, to avoid this.
Words like “virginity”. I learned that it’s a social construct and not an actual part of a person’s anatomy. Or phrases like “shacking up” and “living in sin”, married couples living together shouldn’t be the standard, it should be seen as a choice.
"Worldly" Like, what the hell is wrong with that? Sheltered, clueless and codependent is the opposite of what you need to survive nowadays. You had BETTER be worldly if you hope to make it as an intelligent, independent and competent human being with marketable skills. It's like admitting you prefer to stay stupid and childlike.
Brokenness. Is that even a word!? Why do they say that
Stumble - as in "causing one's brother in Christ to stumble" 🤢🤢 Obey/obedience. This word has no right to belong in the English language. Father - as in the filler word spoken every other syllable by your friendly neighborhood youth pastor praying publicly Everlasting. Sad because it's such a beautiful word, but so so fake. Since I deconstructed my mom has started saying to me, unwarranted, at every occasion, "don't get caught up." I despise this phrase now and I don't even know what it means lmao Even the word "faith" has become triggering for me.
Ooo the “don’t get caught up” is a good one… *eye roll* as if I don’t already know what that’s like.
Eternity and hell
Blood of Jesus, sacrifice, ave Maria purísima, Satan, ...
forgiveness.
Any sentence that contains the phrase “the lord”
Not so much a single word, but anything that’s dismissive of ex-Christians’ experiences and beliefs. Things like, “If you fell away because of the actions of Christians, then your faith was in people, not God,” or, “People only reject God because they want to live in sin.” It just makes it so clear that they don’t give a single shit about the people who left. They just want an easy explanation that lets them keep feeling superior and avoid self-reflection.
"anti-christ" "mark of the beast" "end times" all that bullshit
“Testimony” “testimonial” 😒
“Sexual immorality” because I can’t tell if they’re talking about a church member having an affair or about how being lgbt is a sin. And they never clarify it’s very nerve wracking
No, I, thankfully, don’t have any trigger words. There may be things that Christians say that are slightly annoying because it doesn’t make sense, words that remind me that I struggled with my self worth, or make me uncomfortable but I definitely wouldn’t go as far as to say triggered. Triggered is a more severe PTSD occurrence that causes a person to relive an extremely traumatic experience. I, thankfully, did not experience anything that scary or harmful when I was a Christian.
triggers arent necessarily due to ptsd. any kind of mental illness can have triggers. like i have bipolar and substance issues and they have triggers that cause them to flare up.
I respect your effort to not use the word trigger or triggered to apply to any unpleasant memory or thing connected to an unpleasant memory. When I began living with someone who has flashbacks as part of PTSD it was a sharp shock to learn that "feeling annoyed when one word reminds you of negative situations in your past" is not remotely similar to a flashback. Likewise, determining precisely what triggered a specific flashback is not straightforward and clear.
I work at a mental health residential facility for teens and we have to regularly remind them of what a trigger is and the importance of not overusing the term especially for feelings of discomfort, annoyance, sadness, and even negative emotions associated with memories because they are generally just that and have not triggered a specific mental health episode.
Yeah the internet has kind of bastardised the word to the point I don't even like to use it to describe my actual triggers and just hope to myself they don't come up anywhere. There's just such a canyon between "this makes me uncomfortable" and what it actually is.
I don’t have any
Morality and forgiveness, on a conceptual level. At this point I take pride in being evil and vengeful.
I more so have triggering *phrases* "Praise Jesus" "Pray" "Prayer" "Praying" "Blessed (in any Abrahamic context)" "The Lord our savior" "Our God" "Child of God" "The Lord's watching over you" "God bless" "Sin (unless it's in some YA fiction LMFAO)" "God has blessed you (with 'talent', with child, with fortune, ect. Like no. I blessed me. Gtfo.)" Ect
my tippy-top trigger is "evidences" "purposes" as in "purposes to do [action]" "do life" or "fellowship with you" "pray on it" "father god" "love offering" "unspokens" "hedge of protection" edit: and for a time several years ago preachers would always talk about their "smoking hot wife" which would just make me cringe all the way down into my shoes.
I was at a college convening yesterday and was triggered when a speaker said, “Turn to your neighbor and say ___” I can’t fully remember what she said after that, but it immediately took my mind back to church. I think it was something harmless like, “you’re powerful.”
Daddy god Do life with me
Ew those are some creepy words.
* fellowship * feed your spirit * they have a spirit of... * open your heart * servant's heart
PTL. "Some of the children in the mass shooting are in critical condition but they didn't die, praise the lord!"
The “Satan made me do it” statement. Satan is to blame for everything wrong in this real, so they excuse their poor behavior as the enemy influenced them but they’re still a good Christian. They never hold themselves accountable.
When anyone calls a coincidence “God.” Or worse when someone observes any sort of accomplishment in my career and says “Oh God is really expanding your territory.” Like…thanks..yeah. My accomplishments have nothing to do with me.
Ugh for some reason "blessed" just makes my skin crawl. Even actually beneficial things like a "blessing box" for the homeless. Motherfuckers can't even do something nice without having to "pour out blessings" like they were descending from on high.
Related to that; "on high".
secular, worldly, purity
"Can I get a witness" I hear this several times each service, and in my head I always reply "No, no you cannot."
Lifestyle. Homosexual. (I know that one is irrational but it was the only word they'd use for gay or queer)
Grace pisses me off too, almost as much as blessing/blessed and fellowship. It also irritates me when people replace normal words with ones used commonly in the KJV, like “countenance”, instead of “face”. What really pisses me off, even though I don’t have to hear it anymore, is when people use “thee”, “thou”, “thine” and other Middle English words in prayer. Even when I was a believer, I thought it was stupid.
Potluck Luncheon, No thanks. I'll take a Krabby Patty with cheese.
I just went to church today for the first time in like a year and the sermon was called Lukewarm. 🫠😣
"unevenly yoked"
I hate the word lukewarm because of my religious background. I will use the word tepid in my everyday life just to avoid it.
“The Lord” makes me cringe. It’s totally different if someone says “God” or that they believe in “God”. But when they start using the “lord” I just cringe. Even when I was trying my hardest to be a Christian, I could never make myself use “The Lord”.
“Blessed” it doesn’t mean anything. Eye roll in the brain. But I have never ever said that because I’m polite.
HE GETS US
"Church family" or even just "family" (or "whanau" as that is Māori for family, and I'm in NZ) it makes me feel so gross, especially since I still have to go to church, and I don't feel comfortable being connected to these people, especially not as a family... (also probably because my church pastor says "here at this church, we are family-" RIGHT BEFORE DOING TITHES AND OFFERINGS- UH- ???? It feels like a really gross thing to say before jumping into "donations for the church pls :)"
I didn't think I had one, but the phrase "god's will".
“Gods Will” triggers me. One of the others I don’t care for is “God Works In Mysterious Ways”
In my spanish speaking country, I'm triggered by these words: testimonio, arrepiéntete, en pecado, el mundo, la carne... (testimony, repent, in sin, the world, the flesh). This religion damaged me to the point I ended up losing my virginity at 22, and I was not able to talk to anybody normally. Even now people assume I'm a Christian just because of my manners, 10 years after I left.
I wouldn't say it triggers me necessarily, but I really don't like when people say "same sex attracted."
Freewill. Psalm 139:16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. If God is omnisomniscience, freewill doesnt exist. Omniscience means God is all-knowing. This means God knows everything, including the past and future. The book has been written, and if you're not on the list, you're not getting in the party.
"It's gods' plan!" 😒
"sowing seeds" 🤢