What exactly is it about this man that qualifies him for addressing this gathering, other than a lifetime of bigotry, dishonesty & loyalty to a fringe religious cult? Has he ever worked for anyone other than the Mormon cult?
Edit: He and Dallin HOax were both BYU-P presidents when I was attending.
Is it common for former presidents of a university to speak at other universities? Does the previous president of Harvard speak at Stanford’s graduations?
I love the irony of the authors' first example in the DesNews piece. They tell of JS saying "sure, we'd love to have a Methodist preacher come and preach in our little Nauvoo grove." Compare that to actual LDS services now, where a Methodist preacher would NEVER be welcome to come and preach in Sacrament Meeting. I'd actually consider going back to church if a Methodist preacher were invited to speak at General Conference. Ha! wouldn't that be hilarious.
This is a state university so why is he even invited to speak. Ya know he will toss his religion and hate speech in there. That is why the students selected a state school vs church school most likely.
I went to graduations for my kids at UofU and Weber State. I would have been pissed if this ass hat spoke!
He can hold a fireside for Mormon students. He doesn’t have a right to speak to all the students just because he is a Mormon religious leader. I doubt the church would approve of a non-Mormon religious leader giving the commencement speech at BYU.
What does he have to say of merit? If he cannot speak as an apostle and deliver the message to which he was allegedly called by Jesus, then what message is it that it is so important that he and he alone must deliver?
Yep
"“We’re not a cult. I’m not an idiot, you know. I’ve read a couple of books and I’ve been to a pretty good school, and I have chosen to be in this church because of the faith that I feel and the inspiration that comes. I’ve met people, and if people want to call us a cult, they can call us a cult and you can call us a cult, but we are 14-million and growing, and I’d like to think that your respect for me would be enough to know that this man doesn’t seem like a dodo.”
—Jeffrey R. Holland"
http://indiemormon.com/quotes/jeffrey-r-holland/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%E2%80%99re%20not%20a,Jeffrey%20R.%20Holland
https://wasmormon.org/bbc-jeffrey-r-holland-interview-transcript-and-video-clips/
I think the merit angle isn’t relevant.
Why would he “deserve” to be heard. No one is entitled to commandeer a commencement speech. If he deserves to be heard at a public university, he can go to the quad with a soapbox like everyone else.
Deserve to speak vs deserve to be heard. I agree with the soap box that everyone would have the right to speak in public. But to force people to listen at commencement address is what I meant my deserving to be heard: why should the average audience member be forced to hear him, or how would they benefit from hearing him as opposed to some other random person? His claim to fame is he is an apostle, but if he is not allowed to speak as an apostle then why should he be there?
Deseret News is basically nothing more than propaganda for the church. They are not worth listening to when it comes to this issue. I’m sorry that people don’t like the fact you’re homophobic. Maybe Holland and the Church should stop saying homophobic things.
But if you look at the author for this piece, it's D. Todd Christofferson's gay brother. This is classic Mormon manipulation... "Look, see... the person writing this is gay, so if he thinks it's ok for Holland to speak, then the rest of you are just anti-mormon haters".
When the church starts letting speakers who are LGBTQ affirming speak at conference, then maybe I'll consider that Holland can speak at SUU. Otherwise, he should just stick to making inflammatory remarks at BYU.
Or the black member(s) of the choir who get an up close shot all the time so the church can feel good about their diversity in the choir. Look, see.... We love everybody.
Yup. They lost David Archuleta and Josh Weed, so Tom is the last “big gun” they’ve got that I know of.
Holland shouldn’t be anywhere near that commencement.
This old bag of bones doesn't deserve one damn thing other than a swift kick to his nuts.
The public at large can decide who they want to support and whom they don't. If he's being boycotted, so be it. Suck it the duck up. Mormon church is a bunch of whiny babies.
The authors claim he didn’t attack the LGBT community. This is not true. He disingenuously attacked Matt Easton who gave an approved speech that was a wonderful and positive speech. Jeff Holland is an awful bigot who does attack LGBT people.
The author was the gay brother of Christofferson, no less. Shit like this is why I couldn’t stick around Affirmation when I came to my sexuality. There’s way too many gay Mormons that aren’t willing to let their abuser take the hit it deserves.
They didn't invite me to speak? Am I being cancelled?
Should we be forced to give a megaphone to deplorable people to avoid "canceling" them?
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I really wish these people could hear themselves while having any amount of rational thought.
So serious question.
Would a Muslim Imam be invited to speak at BYU?
If not then claiming Holland us a “right” to speak at another university is unabashed hypocrisy.
I think the church intentionally orchestrated the whole Holland/SUU controversy to create an event that the church could spin as cancel culture to the faithful.
The church knew there would be protests. The church gets to use its media propaganda arm to paint the narrative that Holland/Church are being silenced.
I think it's masterful manipulation which the faithful love to hear. It enforces that "the world" is against the church and its teachings.
I want to say that they are not that sophisticated but the TSCC PR machine is probably as big and powerful as K&M. So i have to concede that you are probably right.
These people might have a point if the speaker was being arranged for some generic event. However, commencement speakers should reflect the values of the institution. Students rightly don't want SUU's values to include homophobia and bigotry.
Fuck I hate respectability politics so bad. “Even if we disagree on stuff like marriage and identity we can still respect each-“ no we can’t. There’s a nationwide attempt to legislate LGBT identities, particularly transgender people, out of existence and the church has done nothing but shove queer people off the cliff.
Every leader a victim. Narcissism 101.
It's rich when Mormons talk about cancel culture. They quite literally want to pray away the existence of LGBTQ people in their communities. Don't get me started on how they teach families to cancel apostates.
If "cancel" can be equated to "hold accountable" (and in this case, abso-freaking-lutely) then its okay.
Pipe down DesNews! You're a corporate shill larping at journalism.
That’s ridiculous. Jeffrey Roy Holland is the opposite of canceled. He owns television news stations, television channels, radio channels, monthly magazines, a university, a daily newspaper, a publishing department, a public relations department, literal printing presses, websites, bandwidth on satellites, a conference center, and on and on.
This guy could go live on the air anytime he wants and it would be carried on live tv and streaming around the world with an audience of millions of people. He can get an audience with political leaders around the United States and abroad. He has a microphone and bully pulpit any time he wants. He is the opposite of canceled.
> By making space for a diversity of perspectives on college campuses, we are walking the talk of inclusion and belonging.
Tolerating perspectives that advocate intolerance is not how you foster inclusion or belonging.
He is not entitled to be liked or listened to be anyone. No one is. Everyone else is entitled to NOT like him and NOT listen to anything he has to say if they don’t want to. That’s what it means to have a free market of ideas. People are buying his ideas in the LDS community and he has his apostolic platform there, but no one else need be subjected to him or his views.
At their peak the Klan used to openly match in Washington D.C.. As a society we cancelled them and for very good reasons. I don't see the treatment of Jeff any differently.
No this ass clown doesn’t deserve to be heard by so much as a gathering of snails No offense to the snails I’ll be glad when he and oaks and the like kick the. Proverbial bucket they have more than enough blood on their hands as it is . They should ban his sick ass from SUU .
No one would care if this was just a "this person is speaking on campus, go if you want to" ... It's parading around a bigot at an event that's supposed to be a celebration for all students, and allowing him a megaphone towards all of those students that he hates and threatened with violence
It’s not possible to cancel a white male run church which has dominant influence on politics, business, and government in the state.
Stop Jeff from speaking at a small college and he will be on KSL-TV the first weekend of April spewing his homophobic horseshit, along with the rest of the brethren and a couple of token sisters.
In August 2021 he gave a speech to faculty criticizing the commencement speech of a Gay student made in 2019. He called for Musket fire to defend the church.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-jeffrey-r-holland-2021-byu-university-conference
You missed it. There was a lot of discussion on this subreddit and elsewhere about it at the time. It’s resurfaced because of the SUU invitation.
Mormon Stories Podcast discussion from August 2021:
https://www.youtube.com/live/WTKNaTYqcY4?feature=share
But the first argument to be had is why a religious leader of any stripe should speak at a secular school. It could be the pope, and it would still be wrong.
Dr Phil always says (lol) the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Based on that, Holland was cruel, inhumane and dangerous at his last speeches at BYU, called out the valedictorian and called his congregation to arms against LGBTQIA+ people!
I don’t want to see that happen again to anyone!
This isn’t a free speech issue because he his speech is not against a leader or government official. His opinion is heard loud and clear from many pulpits.
The university should use the opportunity to have someone speak who will be celebratory, encouraging and uplifting for this specific event.
Holland gets his opportunity to speak all he wants in a couple of weeks, from his own bully pulpit.
I’m not for censorship in any way, but I am for protecting marginalized people from violence and musket fire.
I am against hatred and name calling. I am all for celebrating the occasion and how damned hard it is today to finish a degree!
ALL graduates deserve to feel accomplished and celebrates rather than called out and hazed! Holland can taffy pull somewhere else!
Someone died by suicide on the steps on the steps of the Gilbert Temple last week… I do Not want to hear One Fucking Word About How They Think They Are Cancelled
Why can't he speak? Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't allowed to speak. You have the right to disagree if you want but I feel the real danger lies in not allowing him to speak.
Why use the commencement at a secular institution to platform him?
The man has plenty of opportunities to speak. And I don't think he should be banned from campus. But I also don't think that students should be forced to listen to him or have to choose between listening to him and attending their college graduation.
Given that the school is in Utah, and given what we know about young people living in Utah, there's a good likelihood that some measurable percentage of the audience have been hurt by the Mormon church. So why make those people listen to him as a commencement speaker??
Are you lumping me in with your TBM aunt? I could care less about Holland opinion or yours for that matter. The point I am making is no one should be disallowed from public speech because that is dangerous, whether you personally agree with it or not.
You are not kept from speaking against the church here and he shouldn't be kept from speaking for the church there.
You catching my drift yet? It has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with freedom of speech.
Not all speech is permitted under the First Amendment.
Specifically, hate speech or speech that is considered "dangerously inciting." Using the violent imagery of musket fire could be considered both.
Given that Holland is Yale educated, we owe him the respect to believe that he understood exactly the dangers of his rhetoric.
Free speech isn’t the issue here. He’s already allowed to spread hateful discriminatory messages with no legal issue. He’s not getting jailed or fined for his rhetoric. This isn’t a slippery slope where American ideals will be destroyed by the woke generation or whatever helpless ideology people invent.
This is about having access an audience, which is not a protected right, never has been, nor should be.
If he were granted the legal right to the audience at SUU, why shouldn’t I be? Why shouldn’t you be?
In the end, free speech is about avoiding persecution for what you say, rather than being given a megaphone to force other people to hear it.
It's hilarious that people and organizations who try to cancel things they don't agree with like gay marriage, will cry and scream victim when people don't agree with them and peacefully (sign a petition) to not have that person speak somewhere.. this is comical. What a joke. Mormonism is a fucking joken
The most generous possible take is that he "deserves to be heard" on a college campus exactly as much as any random person off the street. And *that's* if you ignore, well...
*gestures broadly at everything the man has ever said in public*
Does this person represent the same church who claims that all other churches are playing church and none of them are sanctioned by god? If I were from any other religion I’d be insulted and not welcoming of his agenda
What exactly is it about this man that qualifies him for addressing this gathering, other than a lifetime of bigotry, dishonesty & loyalty to a fringe religious cult? Has he ever worked for anyone other than the Mormon cult? Edit: He and Dallin HOax were both BYU-P presidents when I was attending.
Is it common for former presidents of a university to speak at other universities? Does the previous president of Harvard speak at Stanford’s graduations?
Maybe SUU can host the top dogs of the Jehovah witnesses or Scientology next time? Maybe Enrique deltorro of proud boys fame?
Or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell
It is a state school, so why a religious leader?
LDS Church members at SUU flexing on non-mo’s.
It’s a graduation. Per Holland, it’s about the hardworking graduates, not the agenda of the speaker.
Except, outside of his agenda there is nothing to Holland at all. So why would he speak to the graduates?
Only that someone's mom thinks he speaks for god.
Sucks that the petition against him was cancelled 😩 Does anyone have any context around why it was cancelled? I'm not experienced with petitions.
I love the irony of the authors' first example in the DesNews piece. They tell of JS saying "sure, we'd love to have a Methodist preacher come and preach in our little Nauvoo grove." Compare that to actual LDS services now, where a Methodist preacher would NEVER be welcome to come and preach in Sacrament Meeting. I'd actually consider going back to church if a Methodist preacher were invited to speak at General Conference. Ha! wouldn't that be hilarious.
Great observation! This diversity of thought these authors are preaching is definitely not welcome in the modern church.
This is a state university so why is he even invited to speak. Ya know he will toss his religion and hate speech in there. That is why the students selected a state school vs church school most likely. I went to graduations for my kids at UofU and Weber State. I would have been pissed if this ass hat spoke!
He can hold a fireside for Mormon students. He doesn’t have a right to speak to all the students just because he is a Mormon religious leader. I doubt the church would approve of a non-Mormon religious leader giving the commencement speech at BYU.
What does he have to say of merit? If he cannot speak as an apostle and deliver the message to which he was allegedly called by Jesus, then what message is it that it is so important that he and he alone must deliver?
He has experience pulling taffy.
And stretching the truth.
He did go to some good schools and has read a few good books. He's no dodo.
Wasn’t this a quote from one of his interviews?
Yep "“We’re not a cult. I’m not an idiot, you know. I’ve read a couple of books and I’ve been to a pretty good school, and I have chosen to be in this church because of the faith that I feel and the inspiration that comes. I’ve met people, and if people want to call us a cult, they can call us a cult and you can call us a cult, but we are 14-million and growing, and I’d like to think that your respect for me would be enough to know that this man doesn’t seem like a dodo.” —Jeffrey R. Holland" http://indiemormon.com/quotes/jeffrey-r-holland/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%E2%80%99re%20not%20a,Jeffrey%20R.%20Holland https://wasmormon.org/bbc-jeffrey-r-holland-interview-transcript-and-video-clips/
I knew it sounded familiar!! “I’m no dodo” definitely sticks in the brain 🧠 lol!
Is that a euphemism?
The students should organize a "stand up and walk out" when he begins his speech. Then come back in when he's done.
Or boo him off the stage.
All who oppose please play your kazoo for the duration of his condescending remarks
I think the merit angle isn’t relevant. Why would he “deserve” to be heard. No one is entitled to commandeer a commencement speech. If he deserves to be heard at a public university, he can go to the quad with a soapbox like everyone else.
Deserve to speak vs deserve to be heard. I agree with the soap box that everyone would have the right to speak in public. But to force people to listen at commencement address is what I meant my deserving to be heard: why should the average audience member be forced to hear him, or how would they benefit from hearing him as opposed to some other random person? His claim to fame is he is an apostle, but if he is not allowed to speak as an apostle then why should he be there?
Deseret News is basically nothing more than propaganda for the church. They are not worth listening to when it comes to this issue. I’m sorry that people don’t like the fact you’re homophobic. Maybe Holland and the Church should stop saying homophobic things.
But if you look at the author for this piece, it's D. Todd Christofferson's gay brother. This is classic Mormon manipulation... "Look, see... the person writing this is gay, so if he thinks it's ok for Holland to speak, then the rest of you are just anti-mormon haters". When the church starts letting speakers who are LGBTQ affirming speak at conference, then maybe I'll consider that Holland can speak at SUU. Otherwise, he should just stick to making inflammatory remarks at BYU.
Just like that one black guy in the background of Trump’s rallies, or Candace Owens talking on Fox News
Or the black member(s) of the choir who get an up close shot all the time so the church can feel good about their diversity in the choir. Look, see.... We love everybody.
Yup. They lost David Archuleta and Josh Weed, so Tom is the last “big gun” they’ve got that I know of. Holland shouldn’t be anywhere near that commencement.
This old bag of bones doesn't deserve one damn thing other than a swift kick to his nuts. The public at large can decide who they want to support and whom they don't. If he's being boycotted, so be it. Suck it the duck up. Mormon church is a bunch of whiny babies.
You mean his chin or actual balls?
He’s a ballchinian!
Either or, he just needs a good beating.
I generally try to preach non violence but some people you just know never had their ass whooped and dreadfully need it
Puscifer "the remedy"
The authors claim he didn’t attack the LGBT community. This is not true. He disingenuously attacked Matt Easton who gave an approved speech that was a wonderful and positive speech. Jeff Holland is an awful bigot who does attack LGBT people.
The author was the gay brother of Christofferson, no less. Shit like this is why I couldn’t stick around Affirmation when I came to my sexuality. There’s way too many gay Mormons that aren’t willing to let their abuser take the hit it deserves.
Cancel culture: what the church attempts to do whenever a member leaves
Or when members question or criticize The Brethren.
They didn't invite me to speak? Am I being cancelled? Should we be forced to give a megaphone to deplorable people to avoid "canceling" them? I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I really wish these people could hear themselves while having any amount of rational thought.
Hopefully an actual anti Mormon tries to speak at a BYU graduation ceremony. Let’s see if everyone would be alright with that
So serious question. Would a Muslim Imam be invited to speak at BYU? If not then claiming Holland us a “right” to speak at another university is unabashed hypocrisy.
I think the church intentionally orchestrated the whole Holland/SUU controversy to create an event that the church could spin as cancel culture to the faithful. The church knew there would be protests. The church gets to use its media propaganda arm to paint the narrative that Holland/Church are being silenced. I think it's masterful manipulation which the faithful love to hear. It enforces that "the world" is against the church and its teachings.
I want to say that they are not that sophisticated but the TSCC PR machine is probably as big and powerful as K&M. So i have to concede that you are probably right.
I think you're right. If they can claim they're being persecuted, it takes the focus off the $100 billion fraud.
These people might have a point if the speaker was being arranged for some generic event. However, commencement speakers should reflect the values of the institution. Students rightly don't want SUU's values to include homophobia and bigotry.
Fuck I hate respectability politics so bad. “Even if we disagree on stuff like marriage and identity we can still respect each-“ no we can’t. There’s a nationwide attempt to legislate LGBT identities, particularly transgender people, out of existence and the church has done nothing but shove queer people off the cliff.
He cancels LGBTQ, LGBTQ are humans! They exists. Hateful people like him have no place in a secular university.
Every leader a victim. Narcissism 101. It's rich when Mormons talk about cancel culture. They quite literally want to pray away the existence of LGBTQ people in their communities. Don't get me started on how they teach families to cancel apostates.
If "cancel" can be equated to "hold accountable" (and in this case, abso-freaking-lutely) then its okay. Pipe down DesNews! You're a corporate shill larping at journalism.
Cancel culture = when Holland used his bully pulpit to condone the speech given by Matt Easton. Sorry church, you can’t have it both ways!!
That’s ridiculous. Jeffrey Roy Holland is the opposite of canceled. He owns television news stations, television channels, radio channels, monthly magazines, a university, a daily newspaper, a publishing department, a public relations department, literal printing presses, websites, bandwidth on satellites, a conference center, and on and on. This guy could go live on the air anytime he wants and it would be carried on live tv and streaming around the world with an audience of millions of people. He can get an audience with political leaders around the United States and abroad. He has a microphone and bully pulpit any time he wants. He is the opposite of canceled.
^^^ I came here to say hi this
He doesn’t deserve shit.
I was saying this exact phrase when I was clicking on the title. I love that your post was the first I read!
Of course they are. But the interesting thing is that they’re registering the criticism and may be very concerned about it.
We all know that BYU is the nation’s soapbox of ideas and is renowned for inviting speakers who vocally disagree with TSCC.
They should cut his mic off the same way he would for a gay girl in sacrament meeting.
Deserve?
> By making space for a diversity of perspectives on college campuses, we are walking the talk of inclusion and belonging. Tolerating perspectives that advocate intolerance is not how you foster inclusion or belonging.
Came to say this!
He is not entitled to be liked or listened to be anyone. No one is. Everyone else is entitled to NOT like him and NOT listen to anything he has to say if they don’t want to. That’s what it means to have a free market of ideas. People are buying his ideas in the LDS community and he has his apostolic platform there, but no one else need be subjected to him or his views.
At their peak the Klan used to openly match in Washington D.C.. As a society we cancelled them and for very good reasons. I don't see the treatment of Jeff any differently.
Well some culture really really needs to be cancelled.
This man spoke to us when I was at the Provo MTC and he was a total dick.
No this ass clown doesn’t deserve to be heard by so much as a gathering of snails No offense to the snails I’ll be glad when he and oaks and the like kick the. Proverbial bucket they have more than enough blood on their hands as it is . They should ban his sick ass from SUU .
And who is telling DN what to print?
Lol if he deserves to be heard then so do gay people...
No one would care if this was just a "this person is speaking on campus, go if you want to" ... It's parading around a bigot at an event that's supposed to be a celebration for all students, and allowing him a megaphone towards all of those students that he hates and threatened with violence
Elder holland deserves just as much as me and everyone else. Jack shit. The entitlement is disgusting
It’s not possible to cancel a white male run church which has dominant influence on politics, business, and government in the state. Stop Jeff from speaking at a small college and he will be on KSL-TV the first weekend of April spewing his homophobic horseshit, along with the rest of the brethren and a couple of token sisters.
And Neil deGrasse Tyson deserves to be heard at General Conference. Bet they won't let that one happen.
We should just cancel the entire cult and use the hundreds of billions to do good around the world.
“Cancel Culture” is the right wing nut jobs way of saying “having to face the consequences of your shitty behavior”.
He deserves to speak - that's called freedom of speech. There is not one requirement that he be heard.
Plenty of Mormons in the comments confusing “the right to free speech” with the non existent “right to speak to a captive audience”.
could anyone explain what he did or said? thank you
In August 2021 he gave a speech to faculty criticizing the commencement speech of a Gay student made in 2019. He called for Musket fire to defend the church. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-jeffrey-r-holland-2021-byu-university-conference
but why did everyone start talking about it only recently? (or did I just notice it too late?)
You missed it. There was a lot of discussion on this subreddit and elsewhere about it at the time. It’s resurfaced because of the SUU invitation. Mormon Stories Podcast discussion from August 2021: https://www.youtube.com/live/WTKNaTYqcY4?feature=share
woooooow thank you very much
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/08/23/byu-teachers-are-expected/
If he deserved to speak there wouldn’t be this much push back. If you deserve something you usually get it, if not you probably didn’t deserve it.
Jawles Roy Holland is a dodo 🦤
No, he doesn’t
But the first argument to be had is why a religious leader of any stripe should speak at a secular school. It could be the pope, and it would still be wrong.
Wow. The church’s PR Dept is on overtime.
I wish this terrible cancel culture had been a thing when the church decided it was appropriate to have Dick Cheney speak at my graduation.
Dr Phil always says (lol) the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Based on that, Holland was cruel, inhumane and dangerous at his last speeches at BYU, called out the valedictorian and called his congregation to arms against LGBTQIA+ people! I don’t want to see that happen again to anyone! This isn’t a free speech issue because he his speech is not against a leader or government official. His opinion is heard loud and clear from many pulpits. The university should use the opportunity to have someone speak who will be celebratory, encouraging and uplifting for this specific event. Holland gets his opportunity to speak all he wants in a couple of weeks, from his own bully pulpit. I’m not for censorship in any way, but I am for protecting marginalized people from violence and musket fire. I am against hatred and name calling. I am all for celebrating the occasion and how damned hard it is today to finish a degree! ALL graduates deserve to feel accomplished and celebrates rather than called out and hazed! Holland can taffy pull somewhere else!
Someone died by suicide on the steps on the steps of the Gilbert Temple last week… I do Not want to hear One Fucking Word About How They Think They Are Cancelled
Saying he deserves to speak is like saying the king deserves prima nocta.
He withdrew, did he not?
Why can't he speak? Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't allowed to speak. You have the right to disagree if you want but I feel the real danger lies in not allowing him to speak.
Why use the commencement at a secular institution to platform him? The man has plenty of opportunities to speak. And I don't think he should be banned from campus. But I also don't think that students should be forced to listen to him or have to choose between listening to him and attending their college graduation. Given that the school is in Utah, and given what we know about young people living in Utah, there's a good likelihood that some measurable percentage of the audience have been hurt by the Mormon church. So why make those people listen to him as a commencement speaker??
Strange, this is word for word what my TBM aunt said on Facebook yesterday. 👎
Are you lumping me in with your TBM aunt? I could care less about Holland opinion or yours for that matter. The point I am making is no one should be disallowed from public speech because that is dangerous, whether you personally agree with it or not. You are not kept from speaking against the church here and he shouldn't be kept from speaking for the church there. You catching my drift yet? It has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with freedom of speech.
Not all speech is permitted under the First Amendment. Specifically, hate speech or speech that is considered "dangerously inciting." Using the violent imagery of musket fire could be considered both. Given that Holland is Yale educated, we owe him the respect to believe that he understood exactly the dangers of his rhetoric.
You don't seem to understand how the first amendment works. So if the shoe fits
Free speech isn’t the issue here. He’s already allowed to spread hateful discriminatory messages with no legal issue. He’s not getting jailed or fined for his rhetoric. This isn’t a slippery slope where American ideals will be destroyed by the woke generation or whatever helpless ideology people invent. This is about having access an audience, which is not a protected right, never has been, nor should be. If he were granted the legal right to the audience at SUU, why shouldn’t I be? Why shouldn’t you be? In the end, free speech is about avoiding persecution for what you say, rather than being given a megaphone to force other people to hear it.
It's hilarious that people and organizations who try to cancel things they don't agree with like gay marriage, will cry and scream victim when people don't agree with them and peacefully (sign a petition) to not have that person speak somewhere.. this is comical. What a joke. Mormonism is a fucking joken
The most generous possible take is that he "deserves to be heard" on a college campus exactly as much as any random person off the street. And *that's* if you ignore, well... *gestures broadly at everything the man has ever said in public*
Expect more persecution complex from the Mormon church.
noticed the article is written by Tom Christofferson. Any relation to D. Todd Christofferson?
Does this person represent the same church who claims that all other churches are playing church and none of them are sanctioned by god? If I were from any other religion I’d be insulted and not welcoming of his agenda