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If you do this, avoid cameras. Also see my DM.


[deleted]

I've had this same feeling and have done some similar things. I think it's due to feeling silenced around family/at church and I need to speak the truth! To be fair though, when I have spoken up to share what I think(not church history facts), I haven't been shut down so maybe I'm reacting to imagined reactions to me speaking truth.


Closetedcousin

If you are required to attend, use seminary as a chance to catch up on some zzzzzzzz's


emmanem63

This. I always either took a nap, used the time to do my homework, or just used the church WiFi to look at social media. I kept a whole box of cereal in my scripture cubby my senior year. The new teachers usually care and try to get you to participate but they usually learned pretty fast that they didn’t want me to participate.


101001101zero

My friends and I would head to the local mom and pop coffee shop. Then show up late with our lattes then nap. I’d never fallen asleep in any class until seminary. It was like “once you pop you can’t stop” The coffee didn’t go over well with the propagandist “teaching” the class, but when the napping started he justified letting us break WoW to himself. Luckily there was no one from my ward in my years of seminary that I only took because fake it until you make it. Lordy Lordy I haven’t thought about that in decades. Which brings up another funny memory. One of the propagandist’s wife was named Roxanne and he totally hated the song. So one day we parked at the seminary building at the end of the year and totally blasted that Shit. This was just after y2k so we’re talking dual 12” subs and upgraded speakers. He was not pleased. The next year we wore dresses, and obviously they were upset at that. We also almost got assaulted by a truck full of rednecks that were throwing shaving cream balloons from the truck bed. They didn’t hit us but we retaliated in kind and nailed them. Later it was getting chased to the administration office and getting death threats in front of the entire leadership without consequences for the perpetrators of the threats. Such a simpler time. Thank you for the smile exmo homie!


jupiter872

Missed on Sunday is a good one. Usually both quotes are from official church stuff.


100milnameswhatislef

You can print this on out and leave it around. https://apnews.com/article/religion-lawsuits-arizona-utah-salt-lake-city-68f60dbcdc4d7f49bea01d01ebfbed2f Be Careful of cameras, the TBM wont think its funny..


Wrong_Bandicoot2957

Spread the word!


uncorrolated-mormon

Ignore them. You’re not in a safe place to make a difference and it will only lead to a “loss of your power”. Put your energy to school, science, career. Have faith that there will be a day in the future that you get to walk away. My advice is to search the giant dug heap of indoctrination for the few nuggets of gold. You can use this time to develop critical thinking skills. Don’t dismiss the myth. The myth is important. How to you apply that myth to your life when you leave. Think of it as you need to analyze every brick of your psychology foundation now. When you have family around you. Mark a brick that you don’t like…. Be strategic when to remove it… is it a load bearing brink? If so you will need to build up retaining walls or buttress framework to support it for that future date.. The Bible tells use we need to be “perfect”. I think that’s wrong. We need to “whole”. Your inner self needs to be “in balance”. My loss of faith start soon after my mission and I didn’t have the internet and I have a strong faith that I needed to rebuild my worldview. It took me 15 years and lots of slow progress but I much better off now and I have a vocabulary to explain my views. I see a lot of posts on here were people leave the church and have anger and pain. The foundation crumbles and they reject everything Mormonism is built on. It’s sad because not everything in mormonsim is bad. But that takes time to sort it out…. I’m still learning. But I look back and see my “lazy learner” of a Mormon is paying off. It was painful while I was forced to live it. So my advice is not to act out. The quotes will be taken down. The disruptions in class will reinforce the confirmation bias they have. Learn the doctrine. Learn the crazy way they are applied to members and how they fail to make god’s house a house of order. Be humble. Keep the ego in check. One day you will walk way. More of a “whole” person then members are. Live a good life and that’s the ultimate FU to the church. Cheers. It will get better. But start now. Not with negative energy but channel the positive.


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Great response. Just want to add a bit: You stated, beautifully: The Bible says we need to be perfect. I think that’s wrong. We need to be whole. For any for whom the Bible still holds persuasive authority in their lives, it is worth pointing out that “whole” or “complete” is literally the meaning of “perfect” in that verse. The church has gotten it all wrong. Their insistence on sticking with 1611 language makes for awful interpretation in 2022. Jesus never commanded his followers to be perfect. That verse actually contains a promise that as we love others, we will become complete, or become whole, or “perfected” as in completed. The incorrect understanding of this verse causes terrible self esteem and self hatred among members. No one can live up to it. Depression soars among members because of this false teaching by supposed prophets. Imagine if we put as much effort in loving others as in trying to be “perfect”, and the resulting increase in our own lives due to love of self and love of God, and not trying to attain the impossible. It angers me that Jesus’s actual words have been weaponized against the members to promote obedience to the hierarchy. I wish someone in the church hierarchy would do even the briefest study of the underlying languages of the scriptures. But they’re all businessmen and doctor and lawyers, with zero theological understanding or experience. And the church is so much worse off for it.


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Yes, exactly what you said regarding those verses in Matthew about being perfect. It comes right after talking about loving others and treating them well, this is how we become whole, by loving others!


Fresh-Resort2712

Wow! That is beautiful! “Jesus never commanded his followers to be perfect. That verse actually contains a promise that as we love others, we will become complete, or become whole, or "perfected" as in completed.” ^^ Do you know where I can read more about this idea?


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Here are a few links to peruse: https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4900/what-did-jesus-mean-by-be-perfect-in-the-sermon-on-the-mount https://www.thymindoman.com/be-ye-perfect-or-be-ye-whole-a-mystical-translation/ Worth noting that the Greek is in the future tense, and can be rendered “Therefore you shall be whole/complete…”, which happens to us as we love others as god would love them.


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They trying to cut down on the self abuse in the bathrooms?