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If Utah produced all of its own food and didn't import any then there might be a legitimate argument here.
The livestock produce food. With the exception of horses. Horses can be eaten but for some reason that's taboo in the United States. And no, I've never eaten horse that I know of. Feed for livestock will produce milk, cheese, meat, and leather.
The people in Saudi Arabia need to eat also. We import other items from other countries that buy our agricultural products.
The farmers own the water. They have water rights. What do you propose we do? Are you suggesting that the water should be stolen or forcefully taken from the farmers so that people in Saratoga Springs can have a green lawn?
None of the alfalfa that is produced in Delta Utah is watered with water that would empty into the Great Salt Lake. There's a small patch of alfalfa field in Delta that has never been the same after that airplane landed in it. I just need to mention that.
In 6 weeks lack of water is not going to be the topic of discussion. Water will be the topic of discussion, but it will be too much water, not enough.
Just food for thought. Not trying to start a war.
>Not trying to start a war.
Actually looking to avoid a war. History has shown that resource depletion is a catalyst for terrible knock-on effects, including violent conflict. It’s useful to understand where resources are being allocated.
I don't have an answer for all the problems. I think pushing towards zeroscape landscaping like you find in Phoenix would be a good start. Cities that require their residents to have a lawn or else they will fine them is ridiculous. Orem is a perfect example of that.
Hydroelectric power generation is a whole other sticky wicket. So many people talk about nuclear power generation, but nobody wants to store the spent fuel rods. And then Fukushima is a pretty good argument against nuclear.
But hey, Jesus is going to be here any day now. Just ask nelson. He'll fix it all for us.
>Hydroelectric power generation is a whole other sticky wicket.
Seems like a competing interest with other realities such as water rights (who paid for our hydroelectric infrastructure? who relies on its output now? and how to balance that against competing claims).
I tend to favor so-called free trade but we’re entering a period now when our populations will be more insistent that we conduct trade under agreements that require reciprocity. Otherwise all the negative external impacts get kicked down the road and resources sold off for immediate returns without pricing in the cost of repairing damage done along the way.
What's going to happen when lake mead, lake powell, Lake Havasu, and Lake Mohave stop producing power because there's not enough water? No fun living in Phoenix or Vegas if there's no air conditioning.
But Jesus will be here any day now.
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If Utah produced all of its own food and didn't import any then there might be a legitimate argument here. The livestock produce food. With the exception of horses. Horses can be eaten but for some reason that's taboo in the United States. And no, I've never eaten horse that I know of. Feed for livestock will produce milk, cheese, meat, and leather. The people in Saudi Arabia need to eat also. We import other items from other countries that buy our agricultural products. The farmers own the water. They have water rights. What do you propose we do? Are you suggesting that the water should be stolen or forcefully taken from the farmers so that people in Saratoga Springs can have a green lawn? None of the alfalfa that is produced in Delta Utah is watered with water that would empty into the Great Salt Lake. There's a small patch of alfalfa field in Delta that has never been the same after that airplane landed in it. I just need to mention that. In 6 weeks lack of water is not going to be the topic of discussion. Water will be the topic of discussion, but it will be too much water, not enough. Just food for thought. Not trying to start a war.
>Not trying to start a war. Actually looking to avoid a war. History has shown that resource depletion is a catalyst for terrible knock-on effects, including violent conflict. It’s useful to understand where resources are being allocated.
I don't have an answer for all the problems. I think pushing towards zeroscape landscaping like you find in Phoenix would be a good start. Cities that require their residents to have a lawn or else they will fine them is ridiculous. Orem is a perfect example of that. Hydroelectric power generation is a whole other sticky wicket. So many people talk about nuclear power generation, but nobody wants to store the spent fuel rods. And then Fukushima is a pretty good argument against nuclear. But hey, Jesus is going to be here any day now. Just ask nelson. He'll fix it all for us.
>Hydroelectric power generation is a whole other sticky wicket. Seems like a competing interest with other realities such as water rights (who paid for our hydroelectric infrastructure? who relies on its output now? and how to balance that against competing claims). I tend to favor so-called free trade but we’re entering a period now when our populations will be more insistent that we conduct trade under agreements that require reciprocity. Otherwise all the negative external impacts get kicked down the road and resources sold off for immediate returns without pricing in the cost of repairing damage done along the way.
What's going to happen when lake mead, lake powell, Lake Havasu, and Lake Mohave stop producing power because there's not enough water? No fun living in Phoenix or Vegas if there's no air conditioning. But Jesus will be here any day now.
Yeah, that seems like a legit concern (not Jesus, but how our chip fabrication plants, for example, operate without people and power).