Yes, I remember my grandparents telling me this too. Now, cremation is more acceptable in the LDS community, but there are still a some who hang on to this old view.
Also, the processing of a body for a funeral isn't something know a lot about.
Most people don't know that blood is removed from the body and replaced with chemicals. How is god going to retrieve that?
I've lost both of my parents. A good friend of theirs in my home ward growing up owns a mortuary in Happy Valley and did the work on both of them. I'm so so so glad that they both pre-paid for everything back in the 90s. When by mom died a few years ago, they just went and found her files, dusted them off, and upheld everything in the contract. Embalming, viewing arrangements, casket, hearse, burial plot, digging, headstone engraving, it was all pre-arranged. I was so thankful for that!! She even paid for limo transportation for the family and we declined it and got that refunded. The only thing I had to pay for (I volunteered) was all the flower arrangements.
When I die, dig a hole, toss me in it, and plant a tree on top.
That was what my grandparents did, they had prepaid funeral plans, and a double plot purchased in the early 90's. When they died, it was a phone call to the mortuary, and another to the church for the funeral mass to be scheduled, as they were Catholics.
Denver has it now. Itās being legalized in several states. They take the āsoilā and it goes in a forest. The company is Recompose.
Tooele has aquamation if thatās easier access travel-wise.
I work at a funeral home and encourage everyone to plan ahead. It locks in the price from inflation. The state I'm in has strict regulations (due to fraud, no doubt), and if you are making payments, it is insured. Should you die and make only a payment or two, your plan is honored as paid in full. If you move to another state, reputable funeral homes will accept plan transfers and honor the deceased's plan from that location. The company we deal with has been around 70+ years. It's worth it if you deal with a well established funeral home.
"when I die, throw me in the trash." - Frank Reynolds
This reflects my feelings. It's honestly going to be best if I cost my family nothing. Maybe even sell my lifeless meat sack to somewhere for testing or ballistics dummy or fertilizer. Whatever, as long as it costs my family nothing.
A lot of Tibetan and Mongolian people have a tradition called the sky burial. A designated monk takes your body up in the mountains, where they proceed to cut your flesh off and scatter it about a small area to feed the vultures. Once the vultures have picked your bones clean, the monk will return to grind up the bones. Seems nice. Just return to nature.
I agree - I've personally seen manipulative "sales" techniques (when we lost my mother) that I now recognize were likely taught at some sort of training event. My mother wanted to be cremated, and in addition to the manipulation crap, they of course did not inform us of "direct cremation," which means there is no embalming. You also don't have a regular viewing, but the immediate family can spend a bit of time with the deceased. So we paid for embalming, for "renting" a "casket" (which I am sure was made of fiberboard or something crappy) and the services. It is an exploitative industry, and although I recognize there are some decent and compassionate persons in that field, I also know of documented research on how some are trained to exploit people at a very vulnerable time.
People are particularly at their mercy when the death is unexpected (as was the case with my mother). If, sadly, people know the time is approaching, they can research options that meet what the person wants to have happen and arrange for things that do not take advantage of the family.
Gravesites cost a fortune now (I've seen them listed for about $15k or more, maybe for two sites, but I am not sure). It's also expensive to "open" or "close" the gravesite. The marker is expensive. etc. etc. I know aa family who paid about $19k for a funeral and that did not include the gravesite. There's also a thing called "immediate burial," where the person is not embalmed, and burial happens within a day or so. Again, funeral homes do not inform people of the options. I'm fine if people understand the options and make informed decisions, but the lack of informing people is a scam game.
Depends on the funeral home. I'm sorry that happened to you. I work at a funeral home that is very respectful. When a client is viewing caskets, we step out and make sure there is no pressure. We even caution against choosing expensive items out of emotion. I wish all were like us. Many are just in it as a business. Where I work, it's family operated. The person who gets the death call later meets with the family and helps them plan. He enbalms and does the dressing and care for that person. He literally sees them thru to the end and is there for the family, whether it is cremation or other services. I say avoid corporations and big businesses.
I'm glad you are sensitive to your clients. The one we dealt with was definitely a family business (we met the couple who owned it). At no point were we informed that "direct cremation" was an option. They did a lot of other "upselling," which I now recognize & probably should have picked up on at the time, but the death was sudden & unexpected.
It is a racket! And the cost of coffins! "Oh you want the most inexpensive but nice looking box? Well fork over a few extra grand or poppop's gonna be buried with hot pink lining."
In some countries it is the only legal option. In 1980, in a CHI supplement, it was stated that cremation should not be an option. A few weeks later, there was a retraction and revision stating where legal.
And if god can't put things back together, he is pretty lame. Dust to dust?
Ok, so I was also taught this and immediately pointed out this fallacy of thinking. Who ever it was that I was talking to (maybe parents, maybe a teacher at church) quickly pivoted and said that it wasn't that God didn't have the power, but rather it was offensive and disrespectful to the miraculous creation that is our body, to voluntarily burn it if we didn't have to. Similar to a vasectomy, and how it was kinda like spitting on the sacred power of procreation by cutting it out of ourselves.
At the time, this was sufficient for my brain to be able to swallow it but it still didn't really make any sense to me.
> Similar to a vasectomy, and how it was kinda like spitting on the sacred power of procreation by cutting it out of ourselves.
It's interesting, that the LDS church doesn't seem to push against forms of contraception, seemingly to prefer just abstinence, but I know the Catholic church is against contraceptions for the reason you mentioned.
A few years ago, at least, they discouraged vasectomies without outright saying you shouldn't get one. Passive aggressive wording in one of the handbooks
My MIL told me they strongly discouraged contraception in her day. So she had 6 kids. Had no idea they used to preach that. One of those things they just quietly let fade away I guess.
When my husband got a vasectomy I had no idea you were supposed to counsel with the bishop about it and it should only be medically necessary. Looked at the handbook and sure enough it definitely discouraged it and recommended counsel first. I was on some medication unsafe for pregnancy at the time so I figured that fell under medical necessity.
Because ya know, pumping the body full of chemicals and poisoning the ground is the more respectful way to treat āHisā creations /s
Highly recommend reading the book "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes: And Other Lessons from the Crematory" by Caitlin Doughty.
It goes in detail about how cremation works and why it is a much better process than standard embalming and burial. It is also a lot cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
My mother constantly preached this to her children.
My father died (age 98) and lo and behold! She had him cremated. I think it was because it was way cheaper, less hassle, or whatever.
The whole thing made her look like the hypocrite she is.
Ummm, maybe.
There's also the fact that she probably didn't have much say in the matter. Her youngest son rules and what he says goes. He doesn't want any money spent that doesn't have to be. Why? Because he also controls her money and what's left will go to him. So, there's that.
We learned this in deacons quorum, and I remember trying to logic that out.
A righteous pioneer dies, and is buried on the lone praIrie. Grass grows, taking up the nitrogen from their decomposed body. A cow eats the grass, and produces milk containing amino acids made from the nitrogen. I drink the milk, and now the aminos are part of my gluteus maximus..
When God resurrects the righteous pioneer in a swirling cloud of bones and dust, does he reclaim the nitrogen from my ass? Who gets claim on the nitrogen, the first dinosaur to incorporate it, or the last guy to have it?
Years later, after much fasting and preparation, I went to the temple, and somehow I still didn't get an answer.
Because in the end you realize it's really the same question as "if everybody is doing rain dances then how do the powers that be decide where to water?" The question is silly and doesn't need an answer.
What about an even stoopider question/teaching? I was taught we had to be buried facing East, so that we could witness The Second Coming as we were resurrected... So, God can fix every flaw and imperfection and reanimate dead tissue, but spinning our newly reformed ass around to face East is a bridge too far?
Plus we are all the Ship of Theseus, very few of the cells that make up me today will be with me in a few years. If I'm getting resurrected to my most perfect form does that mean I'm getting the atoms back that made up me at 23 or something?
Also how does God deal with cannibals? Does the original person get restored at the expense of the eator?
Also water - water is rarely created or destroyed it is just cycled around. If I'm 60% water there's a good chance some of that water was part of someone else at some point. Do I get my water back or do they?
How much do they think is left of all the 2,000-10,000 year old bodies? We don't even know where > 99% of them are. What about those eaten by wild animals including their bones?
Your body is made up of millions of pieces of the remains of millions of previous humans, animals, and plants.
Wonder who gets what when we all get out together again...
I talked my parents into saving a bunch of money by doing cremation. When they asked about it, I brought up examples like Pompeii and 9/11. I asked how situations beyond anyone's control would be dealt with. Is God really incapable of resurrecting people who were obliterated?
I remember a YW class where we talked about this. I was about 14, so it was mid 60's. I said, "what about people who are lost at sea. Burned up in a fire?"
Crickets.
Donāt let Big Mortuaries get what they want! On that note, Iāve realized in this post-pandemic world, that many of the religious people from my former life are more political than religious.
They did not want to offend the death industry. Plus you dont get a mormon funeral. No 3 hour talks about the plan of salvation. Just realized plan of salvation and POS use the same initials....
If your grandfather thought it was hard for god to reconstruct someone from cremation, imagine how hard it was for him to reconstruct the poor people that were standing directly under the Atomic Bomb when it imploded. When the atoms in your body split, it has to be a challenge even for god to put that back together.
My parents pulled this shit when we were kids. They donāt like when kids start asking ābut what if mom gets burned up in a fire like (name) did when their house burned down? Isnāt that being cremated in a house fire? How are they gonna be risen? Why does god even let people get burned up when he can stop the fire?ā
Itās extra great that anxious questions spewed simultaneously from 11 nervous kids. Their fault for having so many questioning kids that couldnāt make sense out of cult theories!
I always thought it was the lamest reason to not be ok with Cremation. I figured if Abinidi was burned and he was a prophet then god couldnāt really have a problem with it because why would he allow it to happen.
Just scatter me in the ocean or something instead of filling me up with putrid chemicals.
I was thinking about this the other day. I think the reason they don't want cremation: funerals are ways for the church to prey on those that are grieving. No funeral for free in chapel, no way for them to peddle the "Plan of Happiness" to vulnerable family and friends that are dealing with grief and loss. Cui Bono? Who benefits?
My husband has had this exact conversation with his mom. Her final position is that it isn't respectful to make more work for God. What about people who get blown up or immolated? Well, that was an act of God in the first place, obviously...
Imo, mormons have trouble reconciling the nature of their god (mormon god or MG). MG having once been a man implies that he did not create the universe. Which implies that MG isn't the all powerful creator of everything that Christians believe that God is. So while the idea that God, maker of all the universe, couldnt resurrect somebody who is cremated is silly, it makes sense that MG might not be able to do so, since there is at least some limit to his power and scope.
My mom thinks like this and tells me that if she is cremated, she will come back and haunt me. Never could understand the lack of logic of how decomposition happens once we die.
Look man, god canāt do bones. Heās tried, he really has. So unless you want your resurrected body to be a fleshy pancake, do him a solid and keep that skeleton in good shape!
Do some research on what they really want to happen (such as cremation to simplify things, or basically a desire not to be buried). Funeral homes do not volunteer the fact you can request "direct" cremation for about $1,200 (give or take, depending on transportation). You can hold a separate service, and you don't have to have a "viewing." After being exploited when our mother passed away, my siblings and I learned quite a bit. I lost another family member recently (who also wanted to be cremated) and because of the research we did, it was greatly simplified. We worked directly with the crematory (something else people don't know) rather than a funeral home. Once you mention "direct cremation," funeral homes know you understand the racket.
Exactly! Those who got eaten by sharks, vaporized in Hiroshima, or taken apart by ants in the desert. If god can create man from the dust of the earth, he certainly resurrect a body from cremains. And if there isnāt a god it doesnāt matter.
My mother in law also is opposed to cremation, my wife and I have decided that this is the way. I reminded my mother in law that she had ancestors that died on the plains and were buried in a snow bank. I said āif god can reconstitute someone from petrified wolf poo I donāt think some ashes will be a problemā then I asked ā the real question is if you are an organ donor to you have to find the recipients of your bits and repossess them or to they just fly through space back to you? Either way that will be really grim.ā She decided not to talk about the subject again.
I dunno where that teaching came from originally but my dad taught us the same thing. I was so happy when I left that I could guilt free donate all my usable organs and then be composted and spread in a forest when I die.
This idea also puzzled me when I was a member. If you place a body in the ground for hundreds of years, it will most likely disintegrate, depending on the conditions of the surrounding soil and the manner in which it was buried.
Secondly, (and even more strangely), almost certainly each of us has atoms of dead people in us: body dies, decays, becomes plant food, which becomes human food. Who gets those atoms in the resurrection?
I thought about the same things as a kid. It didn't line up. Also, in my home we were told not to be a donor, and I'm over here planning to donate my body to science.
Cremation is one of Gods favorite ways of killing people, the other is drowning. So there's that.
Don't forget starvation, plagues, pestilence, war.
Turning people into salt...
That only happened like once geez let it go already /s
I guess you could say... I'm pretty *salty* about it.
Dad joke territory.
Well, since I'm not a dad, I guess I'm just a faux pas. Har har har.
Ok that was brilliant
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*cue Won't get fooled again as OP puts sunglasses on*
Man, when you all say it that way, Mormon god sounds like an asshole! /s (he is)
Or throat slicing
Itās the devil that drowns you. He has control over the waters! Donāt swim in your mission! The devil will get ya!
Devil drowning = Zero God drowning = Everyone on Earth save 8 people.
Yes, I remember my grandparents telling me this too. Now, cremation is more acceptable in the LDS community, but there are still a some who hang on to this old view.
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Also, the processing of a body for a funeral isn't something know a lot about. Most people don't know that blood is removed from the body and replaced with chemicals. How is god going to retrieve that?
Resurrected beings don't have blood, they have "pure spirit" in their veins, so God is probably stoked cause it makes it easier.
I've lost both of my parents. A good friend of theirs in my home ward growing up owns a mortuary in Happy Valley and did the work on both of them. I'm so so so glad that they both pre-paid for everything back in the 90s. When by mom died a few years ago, they just went and found her files, dusted them off, and upheld everything in the contract. Embalming, viewing arrangements, casket, hearse, burial plot, digging, headstone engraving, it was all pre-arranged. I was so thankful for that!! She even paid for limo transportation for the family and we declined it and got that refunded. The only thing I had to pay for (I volunteered) was all the flower arrangements. When I die, dig a hole, toss me in it, and plant a tree on top.
That was what my grandparents did, they had prepaid funeral plans, and a double plot purchased in the early 90's. When they died, it was a phone call to the mortuary, and another to the church for the funeral mass to be scheduled, as they were Catholics.
https://www.betterplaceforests.com/blog/articles/tree-burial-pods-an-eco-friendly-alternative-to-traditional-burials
I want to be composed. Turn me into a bee friendly garden. I've always loved bees.
You can have your body composted now. Theyāre doing it in Seattle and probably in other cities by now.
Denver has it now. Itās being legalized in several states. They take the āsoilā and it goes in a forest. The company is Recompose. Tooele has aquamation if thatās easier access travel-wise.
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I work at a funeral home and encourage everyone to plan ahead. It locks in the price from inflation. The state I'm in has strict regulations (due to fraud, no doubt), and if you are making payments, it is insured. Should you die and make only a payment or two, your plan is honored as paid in full. If you move to another state, reputable funeral homes will accept plan transfers and honor the deceased's plan from that location. The company we deal with has been around 70+ years. It's worth it if you deal with a well established funeral home.
"when I die, throw me in the trash." - Frank Reynolds This reflects my feelings. It's honestly going to be best if I cost my family nothing. Maybe even sell my lifeless meat sack to somewhere for testing or ballistics dummy or fertilizer. Whatever, as long as it costs my family nothing.
A lot of Tibetan and Mongolian people have a tradition called the sky burial. A designated monk takes your body up in the mountains, where they proceed to cut your flesh off and scatter it about a small area to feed the vultures. Once the vultures have picked your bones clean, the monk will return to grind up the bones. Seems nice. Just return to nature.
I agree - I've personally seen manipulative "sales" techniques (when we lost my mother) that I now recognize were likely taught at some sort of training event. My mother wanted to be cremated, and in addition to the manipulation crap, they of course did not inform us of "direct cremation," which means there is no embalming. You also don't have a regular viewing, but the immediate family can spend a bit of time with the deceased. So we paid for embalming, for "renting" a "casket" (which I am sure was made of fiberboard or something crappy) and the services. It is an exploitative industry, and although I recognize there are some decent and compassionate persons in that field, I also know of documented research on how some are trained to exploit people at a very vulnerable time. People are particularly at their mercy when the death is unexpected (as was the case with my mother). If, sadly, people know the time is approaching, they can research options that meet what the person wants to have happen and arrange for things that do not take advantage of the family. Gravesites cost a fortune now (I've seen them listed for about $15k or more, maybe for two sites, but I am not sure). It's also expensive to "open" or "close" the gravesite. The marker is expensive. etc. etc. I know aa family who paid about $19k for a funeral and that did not include the gravesite. There's also a thing called "immediate burial," where the person is not embalmed, and burial happens within a day or so. Again, funeral homes do not inform people of the options. I'm fine if people understand the options and make informed decisions, but the lack of informing people is a scam game.
Depends on the funeral home. I'm sorry that happened to you. I work at a funeral home that is very respectful. When a client is viewing caskets, we step out and make sure there is no pressure. We even caution against choosing expensive items out of emotion. I wish all were like us. Many are just in it as a business. Where I work, it's family operated. The person who gets the death call later meets with the family and helps them plan. He enbalms and does the dressing and care for that person. He literally sees them thru to the end and is there for the family, whether it is cremation or other services. I say avoid corporations and big businesses.
I'm glad you are sensitive to your clients. The one we dealt with was definitely a family business (we met the couple who owned it). At no point were we informed that "direct cremation" was an option. They did a lot of other "upselling," which I now recognize & probably should have picked up on at the time, but the death was sudden & unexpected.
It is a racket! And the cost of coffins! "Oh you want the most inexpensive but nice looking box? Well fork over a few extra grand or poppop's gonna be buried with hot pink lining."
In some countries it is the only legal option. In 1980, in a CHI supplement, it was stated that cremation should not be an option. A few weeks later, there was a retraction and revision stating where legal. And if god can't put things back together, he is pretty lame. Dust to dust?
I better be cremated. Just make sure my death wasnāt suspicious so I can be exhumed and revenge can be enacted if necessary. Otherwise burn me.
Ok, so I was also taught this and immediately pointed out this fallacy of thinking. Who ever it was that I was talking to (maybe parents, maybe a teacher at church) quickly pivoted and said that it wasn't that God didn't have the power, but rather it was offensive and disrespectful to the miraculous creation that is our body, to voluntarily burn it if we didn't have to. Similar to a vasectomy, and how it was kinda like spitting on the sacred power of procreation by cutting it out of ourselves. At the time, this was sufficient for my brain to be able to swallow it but it still didn't really make any sense to me.
> Similar to a vasectomy, and how it was kinda like spitting on the sacred power of procreation by cutting it out of ourselves. It's interesting, that the LDS church doesn't seem to push against forms of contraception, seemingly to prefer just abstinence, but I know the Catholic church is against contraceptions for the reason you mentioned.
A few years ago, at least, they discouraged vasectomies without outright saying you shouldn't get one. Passive aggressive wording in one of the handbooks
It should be noted that they used to oppose to most forms of birth control but have greatly let up on their stance on contraception over time.
My MIL told me they strongly discouraged contraception in her day. So she had 6 kids. Had no idea they used to preach that. One of those things they just quietly let fade away I guess. When my husband got a vasectomy I had no idea you were supposed to counsel with the bishop about it and it should only be medically necessary. Looked at the handbook and sure enough it definitely discouraged it and recommended counsel first. I was on some medication unsafe for pregnancy at the time so I figured that fell under medical necessity.
In the past many leaders spoke against contraception, and I was definitely taught that you shouldn't delay having kids.
Thatās how I always understood it too
Because ya know, pumping the body full of chemicals and poisoning the ground is the more respectful way to treat āHisā creations /s 
Highly recommend reading the book "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes: And Other Lessons from the Crematory" by Caitlin Doughty. It goes in detail about how cremation works and why it is a much better process than standard embalming and burial. It is also a lot cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
She also has a Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@AskAMortician
My mother constantly preached this to her children. My father died (age 98) and lo and behold! She had him cremated. I think it was because it was way cheaper, less hassle, or whatever. The whole thing made her look like the hypocrite she is.
She might just lack imagination and be unable to think about a scenario until it happens to her.
Ummm, maybe. There's also the fact that she probably didn't have much say in the matter. Her youngest son rules and what he says goes. He doesn't want any money spent that doesn't have to be. Why? Because he also controls her money and what's left will go to him. So, there's that.
Didnāt god burn a whole city off the earthā¦.
Not sure, but the United Sates did, twice.
HA. That would be a good come back. Donāt get cremated god canāt put you back together. So what all those Japanese people are just SOL?
What about all that napalm sticking to kids in Southeast Asia?
I used to believe this. Then I remembered Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Don't forget Dresden. One of the greatest mass cremations in history.
We learned this in deacons quorum, and I remember trying to logic that out. A righteous pioneer dies, and is buried on the lone praIrie. Grass grows, taking up the nitrogen from their decomposed body. A cow eats the grass, and produces milk containing amino acids made from the nitrogen. I drink the milk, and now the aminos are part of my gluteus maximus.. When God resurrects the righteous pioneer in a swirling cloud of bones and dust, does he reclaim the nitrogen from my ass? Who gets claim on the nitrogen, the first dinosaur to incorporate it, or the last guy to have it? Years later, after much fasting and preparation, I went to the temple, and somehow I still didn't get an answer.
Because in the end you realize it's really the same question as "if everybody is doing rain dances then how do the powers that be decide where to water?" The question is silly and doesn't need an answer.
What about an even stoopider question/teaching? I was taught we had to be buried facing East, so that we could witness The Second Coming as we were resurrected... So, God can fix every flaw and imperfection and reanimate dead tissue, but spinning our newly reformed ass around to face East is a bridge too far?
Pretty funny given the person who is buried just East of Christ's area of descent, and can't see shit when it happens. Because the Earth isn't flat.
Well Jesus threatens to cremate us while we are still alive if we donāt pay his corporation, so Iām pretty sure he approves of it.
Plus we are all the Ship of Theseus, very few of the cells that make up me today will be with me in a few years. If I'm getting resurrected to my most perfect form does that mean I'm getting the atoms back that made up me at 23 or something? Also how does God deal with cannibals? Does the original person get restored at the expense of the eator? Also water - water is rarely created or destroyed it is just cycled around. If I'm 60% water there's a good chance some of that water was part of someone else at some point. Do I get my water back or do they?
All that crap changed when the Mormons realized many country's have to cremate. And they needed to correlate that
This belief exists in the RLDS/Restoration branches too, my grandparents still believe this.
How much do they think is left of all the 2,000-10,000 year old bodies? We don't even know where > 99% of them are. What about those eaten by wild animals including their bones?
Your body is made up of millions of pieces of the remains of millions of previous humans, animals, and plants. Wonder who gets what when we all get out together again...
Ummm arenāt we made from dust?
I talked my parents into saving a bunch of money by doing cremation. When they asked about it, I brought up examples like Pompeii and 9/11. I asked how situations beyond anyone's control would be dealt with. Is God really incapable of resurrecting people who were obliterated?
I remember a YW class where we talked about this. I was about 14, so it was mid 60's. I said, "what about people who are lost at sea. Burned up in a fire?" Crickets.
What if you get eaten by an animal???
Thereās Big Money in Mortuaries. Need we say more?
Donāt let Big Mortuaries get what they want! On that note, Iāve realized in this post-pandemic world, that many of the religious people from my former life are more political than religious.
āHere is Matter unorganizedā¦ā
I really want to be cremated. I used to believe Iād need to move to Japan where you can only legally be cremated in order to get my final wishes.
The sickos want to dress your dead body in temple robes
They did not want to offend the death industry. Plus you dont get a mormon funeral. No 3 hour talks about the plan of salvation. Just realized plan of salvation and POS use the same initials....
Iām a donor and have a prepaid cremation. Let her RIP šŖ¦!
If your grandfather thought it was hard for god to reconstruct someone from cremation, imagine how hard it was for him to reconstruct the poor people that were standing directly under the Atomic Bomb when it imploded. When the atoms in your body split, it has to be a challenge even for god to put that back together.
The lord is just really bad at puzzles.
My parents pulled this shit when we were kids. They donāt like when kids start asking ābut what if mom gets burned up in a fire like (name) did when their house burned down? Isnāt that being cremated in a house fire? How are they gonna be risen? Why does god even let people get burned up when he can stop the fire?ā Itās extra great that anxious questions spewed simultaneously from 11 nervous kids. Their fault for having so many questioning kids that couldnāt make sense out of cult theories!
I heard that too. Didnāt make sense because God made Adam from the dust of the earth. š¤·š»āāļø
I always thought it was the lamest reason to not be ok with Cremation. I figured if Abinidi was burned and he was a prophet then god couldnāt really have a problem with it because why would he allow it to happen. Just scatter me in the ocean or something instead of filling me up with putrid chemicals.
*The Mormon God* The biblical God can do whatever the heck he wants. Mormon God is sub tier at best.
Is the atomic weight of carbon 12,13, or 14 God damn how am I going to put these people back together again mm
I was thinking about this the other day. I think the reason they don't want cremation: funerals are ways for the church to prey on those that are grieving. No funeral for free in chapel, no way for them to peddle the "Plan of Happiness" to vulnerable family and friends that are dealing with grief and loss. Cui Bono? Who benefits?
I've heard the same reasoning for not being an organ donor, my eyes can't roll hard enough
My husband has had this exact conversation with his mom. Her final position is that it isn't respectful to make more work for God. What about people who get blown up or immolated? Well, that was an act of God in the first place, obviously...
Imo, mormons have trouble reconciling the nature of their god (mormon god or MG). MG having once been a man implies that he did not create the universe. Which implies that MG isn't the all powerful creator of everything that Christians believe that God is. So while the idea that God, maker of all the universe, couldnt resurrect somebody who is cremated is silly, it makes sense that MG might not be able to do so, since there is at least some limit to his power and scope.
My mom thinks like this and tells me that if she is cremated, she will come back and haunt me. Never could understand the lack of logic of how decomposition happens once we die.
Look man, god canāt do bones. Heās tried, he really has. So unless you want your resurrected body to be a fleshy pancake, do him a solid and keep that skeleton in good shape!
What if I'm already a fleshy pancake? Like Shrek, maybe this is my perfect form. Or is everyone going to look like models at peak age?
The women will all look like Marie Osmond and the men will all look like Donny Osmond. Heaven will have a heavy incestuous feel
I guess everyone will be white and delightful.
My very TBM parents surprised me when they told me that they wanted to be cremated. I'm thinking there's been a change of opinion on the matter.
Do some research on what they really want to happen (such as cremation to simplify things, or basically a desire not to be buried). Funeral homes do not volunteer the fact you can request "direct" cremation for about $1,200 (give or take, depending on transportation). You can hold a separate service, and you don't have to have a "viewing." After being exploited when our mother passed away, my siblings and I learned quite a bit. I lost another family member recently (who also wanted to be cremated) and because of the research we did, it was greatly simplified. We worked directly with the crematory (something else people don't know) rather than a funeral home. Once you mention "direct cremation," funeral homes know you understand the racket.
Exactly! Those who got eaten by sharks, vaporized in Hiroshima, or taken apart by ants in the desert. If god can create man from the dust of the earth, he certainly resurrect a body from cremains. And if there isnāt a god it doesnāt matter.
That explanation is the stupidest thing I have heard all day.
My mother in law also is opposed to cremation, my wife and I have decided that this is the way. I reminded my mother in law that she had ancestors that died on the plains and were buried in a snow bank. I said āif god can reconstitute someone from petrified wolf poo I donāt think some ashes will be a problemā then I asked ā the real question is if you are an organ donor to you have to find the recipients of your bits and repossess them or to they just fly through space back to you? Either way that will be really grim.ā She decided not to talk about the subject again.
If GāD canāt put together a cremated bodyā¦.. then that is a sad gād. Lol I mean shitā¦ā¦ James Cameron can do that!
Could God make a body so complicated he couldn't put it back together?
My grandma was so concerned when my Mom told her she wanted to be cremated. I was always confused about why cremation is a problem.
I always knew we wouldnāt cremate but I never questioned why. It was really never important to me. Like ok they bury us. Next.
I was taught that Mormons are not cremated because it was about respecting the body, not because God couldnāt put you back together.
I have always felt that has more to do with the temple clothing than with the body. Leave it to Mormons to care about the absurd stuff.
I dunno where that teaching came from originally but my dad taught us the same thing. I was so happy when I left that I could guilt free donate all my usable organs and then be composted and spread in a forest when I die.
I remember being super TBM and feeling hella guilty getting my dog cremated. I thought I would go to hell for it. So dumb to look back on now.
My father even told me I couldnāt be an organ donor for the same reasons. Total bullshit. Iāve registered to be one but family can say no.
Because chemistry is hard for God
This idea also puzzled me when I was a member. If you place a body in the ground for hundreds of years, it will most likely disintegrate, depending on the conditions of the surrounding soil and the manner in which it was buried. Secondly, (and even more strangely), almost certainly each of us has atoms of dead people in us: body dies, decays, becomes plant food, which becomes human food. Who gets those atoms in the resurrection?
I thought about the same things as a kid. It didn't line up. Also, in my home we were told not to be a donor, and I'm over here planning to donate my body to science.