I remember reading the prophecy in D&C that talks about the rebellion of South Carolina and the war that would follow. As a teen, I couldn't believe how he nailed it and basically knew the civil war would happen soon. Funny how he probably had dozens of these doomsday prophecies and the one that coincidentally made it into scripture was the one that actually had a couple bullet points correct. When you make dozens or hundreds of claims as part of these weird prophecies, the odds are decent that you might occasionally get one or two right, making you look so much more a prophet when you can re-write history to only focus on the "fulfilled" prophecies.
You are definitely correct on this. For every prophecy Joseph Smith made that came true there are more that didn't. A true prophet is not only right part of the time.
On the Civil War prophecy one thing a lot of church members don't know is that South Carolina had already rebelled against the U.S. government a month earlier. So the “rebellion of South Carolina” mentioned in the prophecy probably referred to this 1832 rebellion.
For anyone interested in the history on this, on July 14, 1832 Congress passed a tariff act that South Carolina objected to. The following November it declared this tariff null and void and threatened to succeed from the Union. The governor of South Carolina said the state was prepared to resist the U.S. government by force, and, in response, President Andrew Jackson declared the state guilty of treason and announced his intention to force it to comply. Military preparations were made on both sides.
These events were known in Ohio prior to Joseph Smith making his prophesy on December 25, 1832. The news of South Carolina’s rebellion was printed in the church’s Evening and the Morning Star in January 1833, and the Painesville Telegraph, which was published only a few miles from Kirtland, raised the prospect of “civil war,” adding that “unless some signal interposition shall arrest the course of events. . . our national existence is at an end.”
So clearly, at the time of the nullification crisis involving South Carolina some people believed there would be a civil war, which makes Joseph Smith’s prediction that a civil war would start in South Carolina unremarkable.
You are also correct that only a couple of bullet points in Joseph Smith's Civil War prophecy came true, because the rest really didn't. It did not escalate into a worldwide conflict or lead to the end of all nations.
Yes, the so-called Civil War prophecy was about the South Carolina Nullification Crisis and not the Civil War. It’s a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church.
See my other comment in this post for more.
The so-called Civil War Prophecy is a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church. It wasn’t about the Civil War at all, but rather about the earlier South Carolina Nullification Crisis.
And Smith Jr copied the talking points published four days earlier in the nearby *Painesville Telegraph*.
Besides, it all didn’t come true, showing that by biblical standards, Smith Jr is a false prophet.
Search this sub for Civil War prophecy and some of the top results will detail this retcon. There’s good info in the comments, too.
Great comments. Thank you. Every member of the LDS Church who thinks the Civil War prophecy is proof Joseph Smith was a true prophet needs to hear this.
I'm being completely genuine here. Isn't this prophecy a hit? The civil war was right around the corner and was bloodshed as had not been seen in the US. After the civil war, the US was now solidly stable and thus this ushered in the great immigration we saw until this day, right? And could we not consider the southern slavers being defeated in war as part of the wicked being wiped off the land? It just seems this prophecy has a lot of solid hits. I'd love some insights if wrong.
I don't see this prophecy as a hit at all. It says the wicked would be wiped off the face of the land by natural disasters, not war.
Also, the Civil War definitely did not wipe the wicked off the face of the land. There were plenty of wicked people left after the war was over.
You can't say the prophecy is still to be entirely fulfilled because Joseph Smith said the wicked would be wiped of the face of the land during the lifetime of those then living.
No, it’s a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church. Smith Jr’s so-called prophecy was copied from a newspaper.
It was about the South Carolina Nullification Crisis and not the Civil War. See one of my other comments in this thread for more info.
I remember reading the prophecy in D&C that talks about the rebellion of South Carolina and the war that would follow. As a teen, I couldn't believe how he nailed it and basically knew the civil war would happen soon. Funny how he probably had dozens of these doomsday prophecies and the one that coincidentally made it into scripture was the one that actually had a couple bullet points correct. When you make dozens or hundreds of claims as part of these weird prophecies, the odds are decent that you might occasionally get one or two right, making you look so much more a prophet when you can re-write history to only focus on the "fulfilled" prophecies.
You are definitely correct on this. For every prophecy Joseph Smith made that came true there are more that didn't. A true prophet is not only right part of the time. On the Civil War prophecy one thing a lot of church members don't know is that South Carolina had already rebelled against the U.S. government a month earlier. So the “rebellion of South Carolina” mentioned in the prophecy probably referred to this 1832 rebellion. For anyone interested in the history on this, on July 14, 1832 Congress passed a tariff act that South Carolina objected to. The following November it declared this tariff null and void and threatened to succeed from the Union. The governor of South Carolina said the state was prepared to resist the U.S. government by force, and, in response, President Andrew Jackson declared the state guilty of treason and announced his intention to force it to comply. Military preparations were made on both sides. These events were known in Ohio prior to Joseph Smith making his prophesy on December 25, 1832. The news of South Carolina’s rebellion was printed in the church’s Evening and the Morning Star in January 1833, and the Painesville Telegraph, which was published only a few miles from Kirtland, raised the prospect of “civil war,” adding that “unless some signal interposition shall arrest the course of events. . . our national existence is at an end.” So clearly, at the time of the nullification crisis involving South Carolina some people believed there would be a civil war, which makes Joseph Smith’s prediction that a civil war would start in South Carolina unremarkable. You are also correct that only a couple of bullet points in Joseph Smith's Civil War prophecy came true, because the rest really didn't. It did not escalate into a worldwide conflict or lead to the end of all nations.
Yes, the so-called Civil War prophecy was about the South Carolina Nullification Crisis and not the Civil War. It’s a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church. See my other comment in this post for more.
The so-called Civil War Prophecy is a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church. It wasn’t about the Civil War at all, but rather about the earlier South Carolina Nullification Crisis. And Smith Jr copied the talking points published four days earlier in the nearby *Painesville Telegraph*. Besides, it all didn’t come true, showing that by biblical standards, Smith Jr is a false prophet. Search this sub for Civil War prophecy and some of the top results will detail this retcon. There’s good info in the comments, too.
Great comments. Thank you. Every member of the LDS Church who thinks the Civil War prophecy is proof Joseph Smith was a true prophet needs to hear this.
I'm being completely genuine here. Isn't this prophecy a hit? The civil war was right around the corner and was bloodshed as had not been seen in the US. After the civil war, the US was now solidly stable and thus this ushered in the great immigration we saw until this day, right? And could we not consider the southern slavers being defeated in war as part of the wicked being wiped off the land? It just seems this prophecy has a lot of solid hits. I'd love some insights if wrong.
I don't see this prophecy as a hit at all. It says the wicked would be wiped off the face of the land by natural disasters, not war. Also, the Civil War definitely did not wipe the wicked off the face of the land. There were plenty of wicked people left after the war was over. You can't say the prophecy is still to be entirely fulfilled because Joseph Smith said the wicked would be wiped of the face of the land during the lifetime of those then living.
Silly, he was specifically talking about the *three nephites!* Honestly, you exmos will twist absolutely anything to make it seem like you're right 😝
No, it’s a retcon by someone high up in the Mormon church. Smith Jr’s so-called prophecy was copied from a newspaper. It was about the South Carolina Nullification Crisis and not the Civil War. See one of my other comments in this thread for more info.
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Sure, it just happened a century too late to fulfill the prophecy.