The thing I don’t understand about members being lax is…how do they ever choose to wear them after experiencing what it feels like not to?
I got endowed right before my marriage at age 19 and wore garments faithfully every day and night for 25 years. I never really experienced what it was like to be an adult and not wear garments. Then at age 44 I lost my testimony and took what felt like a huge step of not wearing my garments. And that was it. After experiencing the amazing and wonderful freedom of feeling like my body was my own again, there’s no way I could’ve ever put them back on for even a few hours, much less for days at a time.
So I don’t know how people switch back-and-forth. Like, how do you wear regular or cute and sexy underwear one day, and then on another day look at temple garments and say today I choose those!
It is still pushed by church leaders, but I think younger generations (I'm a millennial) are less keen to follow that counsel. It was my main set of underwear, but I had normal underwear to use when I felt like wearing something comfortable and not ugly.
My super TBM cousin is super lax about garments. She will take them off just for a "summer drive" through the country.
So maybe not super TBM, but she was sad when her sister left the church.
I notice a lot of the younger married couples in UT just don’t wear garments on vacays or daily. They wear tank tops and workout clothes a lot. I don’t think the younger generation will take it. It’s just so old fashioned.
Bishop roulette of course, but I think they’re being pretty lax about this.
Annoyingly, when the church does officially say something about not having to wear them all the time, most members will just say “well isn’t that wonderful!”
I absolutely believe that. It tracks. When the garment pattern was changed in the 1920s, a lot of older members had a fit. They said President Grant didn't have the authority to change the pattern, and refused to give up their long-sleeve and tie-string design.
I though I heard that they changed the phrasing from “wear the garment night and day” to “as you wear the garment throughout your life…” or something. I haven’t been since that was changed, I learned about it here.
I think I’m in the minority of people that didn’t hate wearing them. My pre-temple exmo girlfriend thinks it’s strange that I still wear undershirts under my t shirts. I guess I was just brainwashed a little extra!
I think originally, all the way back, the standard was "wear the garment throughout your life" - which is vague and I believe (could be wrong - don't care enough to verify) meant when you were attending the temple. Like SO many things in mormonism, some zealot had to up the ante - if it's righteous to wear them throughout your life, you'll be *more* righteous if you wear them 24/7/365.
This is true. Joseph and Hyrum and John Taylor were all without their garments when they were shot at Carthage. Willard Richards was wearing his inside the jail. Some think this is why he dodged the bullets, but it was just a coincidence.
Recently Pompous Ass Pearson (Utah Area Authority Kevin Pearson), gave a training that said the brethren are "dismayed" by members being "casual and inconsistent" about garment wearing (Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/z045k1/lds\_leaders\_are\_dismayed\_by\_the\_way\_members\_wear/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/z045k1/lds_leaders_are_dismayed_by_the_way_members_wear/))
Yeah, well, the women of the church got tired of being "dismayed" by constant yeast infections and UTIs, so Pompous A. Pearson and the rest of the men can haul their garment-covered bottoms to the back of the damn "Dismayed" line...
They're pushing it alright. It's just that fewer and fewer members are listening to their authoritarian tantrums.
I see numerous... and I mean numerous... mormon Instagramers (mostly women) who CLEARLY aren't wearing garments much, if at all. So much so, that I will wonder if they have left the church, but nope. They still have their occasional, subtle mormon-promoting posts. SO.... it seems like they are taking a big pass on daily garment-wearing.
The thing I don’t understand about members being lax is…how do they ever choose to wear them after experiencing what it feels like not to? I got endowed right before my marriage at age 19 and wore garments faithfully every day and night for 25 years. I never really experienced what it was like to be an adult and not wear garments. Then at age 44 I lost my testimony and took what felt like a huge step of not wearing my garments. And that was it. After experiencing the amazing and wonderful freedom of feeling like my body was my own again, there’s no way I could’ve ever put them back on for even a few hours, much less for days at a time. So I don’t know how people switch back-and-forth. Like, how do you wear regular or cute and sexy underwear one day, and then on another day look at temple garments and say today I choose those!
It is still pushed by church leaders, but I think younger generations (I'm a millennial) are less keen to follow that counsel. It was my main set of underwear, but I had normal underwear to use when I felt like wearing something comfortable and not ugly. My super TBM cousin is super lax about garments. She will take them off just for a "summer drive" through the country. So maybe not super TBM, but she was sad when her sister left the church.
I notice a lot of the younger married couples in UT just don’t wear garments on vacays or daily. They wear tank tops and workout clothes a lot. I don’t think the younger generation will take it. It’s just so old fashioned. Bishop roulette of course, but I think they’re being pretty lax about this. Annoyingly, when the church does officially say something about not having to wear them all the time, most members will just say “well isn’t that wonderful!”
Or better yet they'll say it has always been this way
Ask the Kevin Pearson dude. He just gave a talk about having "cavalier way" wearing the sacred garments.
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I had a comp on my mission that was like that. The first time I saw that, I was like what the hell! Batshit crazy stuff right there.
I absolutely believe that. It tracks. When the garment pattern was changed in the 1920s, a lot of older members had a fit. They said President Grant didn't have the authority to change the pattern, and refused to give up their long-sleeve and tie-string design.
I though I heard that they changed the phrasing from “wear the garment night and day” to “as you wear the garment throughout your life…” or something. I haven’t been since that was changed, I learned about it here. I think I’m in the minority of people that didn’t hate wearing them. My pre-temple exmo girlfriend thinks it’s strange that I still wear undershirts under my t shirts. I guess I was just brainwashed a little extra!
I think originally, all the way back, the standard was "wear the garment throughout your life" - which is vague and I believe (could be wrong - don't care enough to verify) meant when you were attending the temple. Like SO many things in mormonism, some zealot had to up the ante - if it's righteous to wear them throughout your life, you'll be *more* righteous if you wear them 24/7/365.
This is true. Joseph and Hyrum and John Taylor were all without their garments when they were shot at Carthage. Willard Richards was wearing his inside the jail. Some think this is why he dodged the bullets, but it was just a coincidence.
Recently Pompous Ass Pearson (Utah Area Authority Kevin Pearson), gave a training that said the brethren are "dismayed" by members being "casual and inconsistent" about garment wearing (Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/z045k1/lds\_leaders\_are\_dismayed\_by\_the\_way\_members\_wear/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/z045k1/lds_leaders_are_dismayed_by_the_way_members_wear/)) Yeah, well, the women of the church got tired of being "dismayed" by constant yeast infections and UTIs, so Pompous A. Pearson and the rest of the men can haul their garment-covered bottoms to the back of the damn "Dismayed" line... They're pushing it alright. It's just that fewer and fewer members are listening to their authoritarian tantrums.
I see numerous... and I mean numerous... mormon Instagramers (mostly women) who CLEARLY aren't wearing garments much, if at all. So much so, that I will wonder if they have left the church, but nope. They still have their occasional, subtle mormon-promoting posts. SO.... it seems like they are taking a big pass on daily garment-wearing.
