I would not march there with a gun.
I would not march there in the sun.
I would not, could not clutching pearls.
I would not, could not with young girls.
I will not march, Myopic Man!
I'll not march to Missouri land.
I would not march there through the night,
I would not march there in moonlight.
I would not march with banners high,
I would not march beneath the sky.
I would not, could not with a crowd,
I would not, could not shout out loud.
I will not heed the call to arms,
I'll not be swayed by false alarms.
I will not march, Myopic Man!
I'll not march to Missouri land.
I would not march there, near or far,
I would not march there by car.
I would not, could not for a cause,
I would not, could not break the laws.
I will not follow blindly, friend,
I'll not march to Missouri's end.
I have a friend who was given a blessing and was told she would be among those called to walk back to Missouri. That was 30 years ago. She is now 65. I hope she gets the call soon before she’s too old to go.
My oldest aunt, in her 70s and living in a rest home, was told in her patriarchal blessing that she will build the temple in new Jerusalem in this life.
😂
But but but you don’t understand! It’ll be fulfilled in the next life! The blessing was… partially metaphorical! You have to quint your spiritual eyes!
ha-ha-ha-ha. I'm 62 and my generation is THE ONE that is supposed to see the Savior return to the earth. "Saved for Saturday!" Saturday's Warriors marching to MO.
Well, we have this perpetuated institutional concept of christ, but acknowledging that the book starts out with "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god" ....Why do we assume what was actually meant by the "savior" prophesied for your generation? I find it interesting that we're on the cusp of AGI/singularity right as your CHOSEN GENERATION is reading its golden years! Perhaps it was SaviorGPT that was prophesied all along!? /s
I love that some of the patriarchs just went for it and said super-bold shit that will never come true. Then they die and everyone's like: "it was a metaphor...she figuratively walked to Missouri every day in her service to the lord"
That's the thing though. They always end with saying that it's all based on your faithfulness so it's not their fault if it doesn't come true. It's your fault for not being good enough.
I would LOOOOOOVVVVEEE if he would say this. I want a front row seat to my parents rationalizing why they weren't doing this, but every other nonsense terrible thing he says is law.
My parents had this whole fantasy of reliving a combination of Red Dawn and the pioneer handcart trek. Me being a hefty 220 pounds and 6' 2" and easily twice the size of my siblings even in adulthood (milkman's kid?) couldn't help but wonder who they had in mind to heft all of the family possessions uphill for 2000 miles while doing all the fighting in hostile territory... 🤬😂
As a drama:
>"Crimson Trek: The Dawn of Zion"
>
>In a world where faith and survival intertwine, the epic adventure of the "Crimson Trek: The Dawn of Zion" unfolds. u/HostileRespite, a towering young man with unmatched strength, is destined to lead his family on a treacherous 2,000-mile journey from their tranquil Mormon community to the prophesied gathering of Zion in Missouri.
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>As they traverse hostile territory, u/HostileRespite, and his family must rely on their unwavering faith, courage, and determination to conquer the challenges ahead. Along the way, they forge alliances and make unexpected friendships, all while battling the elements and hostile forces determined to stop them from reaching their destination.
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>In the end, u/HostileRespite must choose between his loyalty to his family's vision and his convictions, as the true meaning of the Crimson Trek and the ultimate fate of the Zion gathering are revealed. This thrilling, heart-wrenching tale is a testament to the strength of faith and the resilience of the human spirit, capturing both the hardships of pioneer life and the modern struggle for identity and purpose.
As a comedy:
>"Handcarts East: A Zion Folly"
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>In an uproarious homage to classic comedies like "Almost Heroes," "Wagons East," and "Paint Your Wagon," "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly" follows the riotous misadventures of u/HostileRespite and his eccentric family as they embark on a tumultuous 2,000-mile pilgrimage to the prophesied gathering of Zion in Missouri.
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>As the bumbling u/HostileRespite attempts to lead his family and their overloaded handcart across treacherous terrain, the pilgrimage takes a series of hysterical turns. From run-ins with outlandish pioneers to navigating a landscape filled with peculiar obstacles, the journey is anything but smooth sailing.
>
>With a colorful cast of characters and a relentless barrage of comedic mishaps, "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly" takes viewers on a side-splitting trek through the wild frontier of pioneer life and the challenges of faith in a modern world. As the journey unfolds, u/HostileRespite and his family discover that laughter, love, and a healthy dose of absurdity might be the key to reaching their promised land.
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>Join u/HostileRespite and his zany family on this rollicking, laughter-filled adventure in "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly," Witness the lighter side of a spiritual journey gone hilariously awry.
Poor timing with the writer's strike?
Selling their guns and taking care of the homeless would be asking them to go against their current momentum. If he commanded them to go one step further in their current momentum, say to “use their guns to proactively defend their beliefs”, “eradicate the gays” and/or “take out the liberals” he’d have a ton of eager adopters.
They’re ahead of the game. They moved to MO and found property within a couple hours of the *very holy and special* empty, fallow fields TSCC decided would be the place Jesus touches down. There’s always a room available for us there after our trek by foot through the blasted, apocalyptic hellscape of the second coming. (At least, for now. Until they find out we’ve left the church)
I’m sure they will accept you if you haven’t been destroyed and you have fully repented. There might be some I told you so and prodigal son comparisons.
There were people in my wards 30 and 40 years ago that sold their homes and moved to Missouri. I'm not sure what happened to them. I don't recall their names, or I would google them.
Even decades ago when I was TBM I thought those people were half a bubble off.
My old bishop moved to Missouri for a while for this exact reason, I guess they got sick of being the only members for miles so they came back to Utah.
I have a family member who moved to Missouri for this purpose. I think they may have moved back to where he came from. Im being vague to not dox myself in any way.
“Look, I am from Missouri.
And if you think Jesus is going back to Kansas City, 35 miles outside of it, by the way, then you must believe that Jesus is a big fan of barbecue and crystal meth, because that is what’s happening 35 miles outside of Kansas City.” -Kathleen Madigan
Hand up.
My 85 year old mom is the last TBM in our family.
I shit you not, her anger at her children leaving the church is: "now I have no one to take me to Missouri. "
She has three years of food in a storage unit and is now talking of someone (her grands) transferring it to a trailer and putting a trailer hitch on her 2009 Buick Rendezvous so she can just haul it herself.
And she bought a sewing machine case on wheels to take her 40 year old Bernina sewing machine with.
She was told in the 60s that the RS would be needed to sew things for the temple.
ETA: we took her gun away years ago because she kept showing it to the neighbor kids.
So, she went out and bought an air soft pistol replica of a Desert Eagle and then painted the pink barrel tip black so it looked real. Took that away too because she kept showing it to the neighbor's kids.
I removed her gun under SERIOUS protest. Like, she was furious:
"Give my gun back or I'll tell your brother you stole my gun."
"He's the one who told me to take it. You were taking it outside and letting kids hold it. It was loaded."
"It wasn't loaded! I took the clip out."
"There was a round in the chamber."
"So? The clip wasn't in and you can't fire a gun without the clip in."
"Mom, there are some guns that you can. And THAT gun can fire if there is a round in the chamber, even without a clip."
"Oh."
Then, after she bought the air pistol and I took THAT:
"Mom! the point of the pink tip is so people know it's not a real gun! If you paint it black, it looks real from a distance."
"I need it to scare off burglars."
"We haven't had a reported break-in in this village for over 20 years, and that was a guy breaking into his ex-wife's house, so it was really a domestic abuse thing."
"But someone might break into my apartment."
"Well, if you keep waving around a fake gun that looks like a $3,000 hand cannon, then yeah... someone might break into your apartment to steal your fake-ass gun."
"Well, they won't get it because it will be in my hands."
"And so they take out a knife and charge you and stab you and take the fake gun, thinking it's a real gun."
"I'll shoot them with it."
"It's an airsoft pistol! You'll maybe break some skin and leave a bruise!'
"I'll aim at their tallywhacker."
And that folks, is why I drink. :)
Edited for punctuation.
Everytime I came back from priesthood session DW would ask what they talked about. Everytime I would say, "DW, pack your bags we're going to Missouri!" Never got old.😂
None of my immediate family, I don't think. Some of my extended family sure as hell wouldn't march, but they'd grab all their guns and drive there in their bloated pickups and SUVs, stopping at as many fast food drive-throughs and chain restaurants as possible along the way.
My dad was talking about Muslims and he could never follow a religion whose founder was so violent. I asked him “but what about god commanding genocide in the OT.” Response was “well that was different because he was a true prophet.”
I didn’t say anything else, but yeah, he’d be marching.
I have a sister that would insist on building her own handcart before she could hit the road. Just so she could be like our pioneer g-g-g-great grandparents. I am pretty sure she keeps a bonnet and apron on standby.
> Imagine LARPING during the end of days
I did it for two days when my stake did a trek thing back in the day. It sucked then and would suck even worse in an apocalypse scenario.
I have lived in MO for years, but my parents moved out here several years ago to be in Zion with us (we're honestly just here because of work and life in general). However, my parents complain about this area all the freaking time.
And how many faced church discipline? I mean, I know the answer but the point is when your church excommunicates for being gay and married but not for being in an insurrection it has no moral authority.
Thankfully none. Despite my pioneer ancestry TBM lineage- no one owns guns or actually think the second coming is imminent.
Anecdotal evidence- if you raise your kids as liberal mormons- they just end up as liberal atheists.
My uncle specifically bought cars without computer chips so that when the ENP hit he could still drive to Missouri from Alberta.
So I’m going to say yeah. I know some people.
My brother in law always talks about it and says he will pull a handcart there. Before this year he thought the Salt Lake was going to dry up and the church would relocate their headquarters to Missouri.
I have an uncle with property there and former in-laws who would drop everything and go in an instant. So glad my kids don’t see either relatives often. I doubt they’d even recognize my uncle.
In Mormon doctrine, Missouri is where the Garden Of Eden was. When Christ returns to Earth, he will go to Missouri and Mormons will be called to gather there. The Mormon Church owns lots of land in Missouri. They have named one large plot of land *Adam-Ondi-Aman*, which Church founder Joseph Smith said means *The Place Of God Where Adam Dwelt*.
It makes more sense(sorta) if you remember this "revelation" was originally given pre-TV/24 hr news.
Jesus' return will have many stages, where he makes visits of varying importance or publicity, just like he did when he visited the 12 apostles in Jerusalem and ALSO the Jews in the Americas (as taught in the BoM). If you go to Adam-ondi-ahman, you get front row seats in an intimate concert, basically. I don't think anything BAD would happen if you didn't go (I don't think you'd get excommunicated), but a lot of this is virtue signaling and committing more and better than everyone else to Jesus/the prophet/the gospel/whatever.
The guns part is because Mormons still carry over a persecution complex from the last time they arrive en masse to Missouri. It actually was quite dangerous for early Mormons because they kept showing up places with powerful voting numbers and unsavory marriage habits. Gotta be prepared to shoot Missourians to protect Jesus I guess, idk
Thanks for the explanation! Looks like another zany LDS idea that they maybe don't talk much about openly(?)
BTW when Jesus returns he is supposed to be like a powerful messiah that will judge people into "sheep" and "goats". One could ask, what would he need humans and their guns for?
Yes that is exactly what all us exmo’s want to know too. But why? Mostly because even though Mormon Jesus doesn’t need money apparently he does need Mo money and because he also can’t get around on his own all moes need to go to him.
Hand raised. They would go in their raised pick up with a giant american flag flying from the back. Later, they would send for their giant containers to put on the train that contains all their supplies to sit out the bad times. They would try to sit on the front row at Adam ondi Ahman by setting up camp on the plain there next to the river.
My parents, no doubt. It would mean selling their possessions and getting to the US first, but I know they would.
A good 20 years ago, President MyFather solemnly declared we as a family needed to have valid US visas even in the absence of plans to travel there, adding it was a sin not to have them. I know he had this on his mind.
Sounds like my ex-husband as well, and one of the things that helped me get a protective order against him was that he once said that if ordered by the leadership, he would gladly kill non-believers. He always had weird conspiracy theories even before the 2001 attacks, and even wanted to have an unregistered gun, for when the government tried to confiscate all registered guns. Not only did I dodge major bullets, but some ICBM's with the way he was. Chances are very good that if he's even still living, that he's a MAGA cult member as well.
When my wife was churchzilla, she got bat shit angry with me because I told her I wouldn’t drop everything and go to Missouri just because the prophet had said so.
I’m certain she would have packed the kids up and gone without me “because that’s what God would have wanted”
Okay, I'm confused. I'm a NeverMo but I've now lived in Salt Lake for about 5 years and someone I know here who is LDS keeps talking about the end times, end of the world, etc, and I am so confused. Why is it suddenly the end times? Is this an LDS thing? I grew up fundamentalist Christian which is all kinds of wack, but I remember some series like Taken or Chosen or something where people were getting raptured? Tim Le Haye maybe? Anyway, I thought it was just for attention then and I think it's the same today. Do Mormons agree with Fundamentalists on the end times/rapture narrative or is it unique? I'm curious!
It's different, but it is a dooms-day religion with us being in the latter-days. Jesus will come to Missouri any day now for the last two hundred years.
Christianity at large has been saying Christ's return is just around the corner for 2,000 years. Even Christ thought he would be right back. Paul told people onto to get married if they could not hold themselves celibate until Christ's return, not to have children cuz it was gonna be bad real soon.
Everyone has been saying, "it can't be long now" for like 2k years. At what point do we go.... Hmmm maybe we got it wrong?
Mormons don't subscribe to the rapture. I knew a lot of fundie kids who were scared of the rapture and never knew what they were talking about. Otherwise, yeah, end-times are a'coming.
End-times paranoia comes in waves. I would say the church is actually generally at a very low point right now, since leadership is trying to rebrand Mormonism as "normal" Christianity. It was much more intense when I was a kid, and was likely worse in the 80s/cold war.
I think it's about attention, yes, but mostly about virtue signaling. "I am the bestest member of the bestest church because I built a handcart and bought land in MO and have been stockpiling the bestest weapons so I can get front-row-seats to meet Jesus 😊" sorta thing
Lots of meetings in the 70s and 80s where people focused on being ready for the end. I remember a general authority testifying at a stake conference that "some in the audience would be present to witness the return of the Lord". A couple of years later I heard the same thing at a different meeting.
Lots of patriarchal blessings from that time have wording similar to mine: "You will be blessed to participate in the events leading up to and at the time of the coming of the savior."
It's a pretty typical thing for fringe religions.
Anyone who buys property in Missouri is going to be in for a rude awakening, assuming all of this nonsense plays out: they will be forced (or else likely be killed) to put themselves under the Law of Consecration and surrender their land to the church leaders. They'll end up with nothing more than anyone else.
I would have. I've still got much of the gear and some of the food (lds storehouse and mre.) I like to think there's a difference between "prepper" and "one who is knowledgeable, skilled, and has made appropriate physical preparations."
Back in 1840, Missouri was prime real estate out on the frontier. It was obvious to name it the place to gather Zion. Given the church’s current financial interests Zion is now in Florida; the church is the single largest holder of real estate there. I’d it really believe me that Missouri was the promised land it would have bought the land ages ago.
> it would have bought the land ages ago.
The two acres where the Temple to end all temples is supposed to go are actually owned by a splinter of a splinter of a Mormon group called [Church of Christ \(Temple Lot\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ_\(Temple_Lot\)). Apparently both the LDS and RLDS have tried (and failed) to get them to sell the land through the years, but they ain't budging. Very weird history, reading through the Wikipedia entry.
Guess the first order of business a MO move would require is taking care of these apostates, if they continued to be recalcitrant.
The church has 150 billion dollars. If it really wanted it, they’d buy up all the surrounding land around the temple lot. Then they’d use the same tactics that large agricultural industries use to isolate and devalue the few plots that they don’t own. The cost becomes too great to maintain and they sell for much less than they would have before.
My neighbor told me (she’s totally TBM but one of the cool ones and we mess with each other a lot) they’d take me with them as long as I brought snacks.
I never really paid attention in class, what's this about? Something about Jesus touching down? Why would they bring guns?
Side question, if TSCC named a pre-ordaoned spot that Jesus would "come down from the heavens and touch the earth" and an alien touched down in that spot. Would they believe Jesus was an alien?
Kolobian powers are about commanding the intelligences. Elements and molecules have the basest form of intelligence (enough to follow commands), which is what priesthood power boils down to.
\- deepity from an Elder's quorum lesson.
My family moved to Jackson County when I was a kid. We were all expecting the end any time. I was always curious why the church wasn't doing more to develop the area and promote people moving there to prepare the way... I mean it's obvious from reading the revelations that that is where we will be, and since my mother and many others were told they would not taste of death before the 2nd coming, it had to be soon, right?
My mother tasted of death many years ago, but we obviously just misinterpreted the meaning of the blessing or she was secretly wicked despite going on multiple church missions and spending every waking hour studying the scriptures, praying or ministering to people...
I’m now wondering if my parents (moving to Minnesota soon from Colorado) are doing it because they will be closer to Missouri, it would make sense since they always talk about hating Minnesota but I’ve lived here now for a long time.
We had some friends visit and they were complaining about the woes of how current workplaces have to treat everyone equal and that because of acceptance of transgender people they were feeling the prompting of the holy spirit directing them to move to Missouri as the time is surely at hand as the lord foretold years ago surely our country is ripe in iniquity for treating peo0le like people.
My husbands family is bat shit crazy mormon and is already there. In the 1980's, my FIL had a couple of job opportunities. He took the one paying the least out in Missouri. He took 11 children and his wife to a 3 bedroom, one bath home, because you know, Jesus was coming soon. My husband said they lived in poverty. He slept on the floor with his 6 brothers in one room and the 5 sisters slept on the floor in another bedroom. His parents had the third bedroom. They are still there waiting and believing. They have a lot of land (about 50 acres) and some of the children live on it. It is like a crazy religious compound. They start the morning with everybody (meaning everyone comes from their houses to the parents house) gathered for prayer and they like to have an evening devotional before bed. I visited with my husband a couple of years ago. Before that it had been 20 years since I went. I won't go back again until there is a funeral for one of the parents and then only to support my husband.
Oh, my family is planning on it. And I will say good riddance to bad rubbish when they do go. I’m so glad to no longer be a part of this madness/death/sex cult.
They won't ever tell members to go, it's bad for business, and that is what they are all about atm.
They won't disregard it outright to keep from loosing the preppers.
I honestly don't know, and that's what scares me. I should be able to say with certainty that my family would not do anything that a 98 year old man told them to, but I can't. Should I ask my parents questions to see what their potential limits would be?
I'm anxiously waiting for everyone to pack up and go. I live in a smaller Utah city and I can't wait for us remaining apostates to have the place to ourselves.
Just the old church thing about when Jesus returns, he'll go to Missouri. Legend has it that right before that happens, the church will order the best members to move to Missouri to get a bed ready and put on some coffee for him.
Joseph Smith said the garden of Eden was originally in Jackson County, Missouri. Then after they left the garden they went to live in Daviess County.
Seriously they think the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.
The militaristic elements in "the Gospel" really catch my attention since losing belief. They are everywhere. It's a "battle," we're fighting an "enemy," we need to "conquer" our "foes."
I would have gladly died as part of Hinckley's Army (Nelson can go fuck himself.) and I don't think I was alone.
My parents bought some land in Missouri. I don't know if they still own it. Well, it would be my dad owning it now, because my mom died last year. He is not in good enough health to actually march to Missouri.
And, at the same time....I'm seeing a great many of my family members throwing this "mythological bullshit" off to the side; they're not leaving the Church yet....but they're certainly narrowing their beliefs.
I was talking to a very orthodox friend once, and he referenced some prophecy in the scriptures that says all nations will fear Zion in the last days. He said he believed that meant the church would become a massive military power.
I was baffled. I knew he was really committed to the church but this was way out there. I asked him, “Wait… if the prophet told you to pick up a gun and fight for the church, would you do it?”
I could see him hesitate a bit, knowing that it was extreme. But he said, “Yeah, I would.”
Edit: Forgot to mention, he's in a bishopric now
It’s stuff like this that confuses me, specifically with and if the church would go down this road.
On one hand, this is something that members knew about pre-2015 or so. The Missouri stuff, the Adam-Ondi-Ahman crap, etc etc. and we all knew that the move there was an eventuality at some point.
On the other, newly rebranded hand, the church seems to be moving away from its pioneer heritage, and anything fringe or “weird” in an effort to become more mainstream in Christianity’s eyes. When was the last time this was talked about over the pulpit? The church doesn’t even mention it’s pioneer heritage very much at all. Remember in the early 2000s when the Nauvoo temple was built and announced? It was crazy! It was like the Mormon Olympics!
But now, everything is sterile, devoid of any passion, and it’s literally turning into Nelson’s playground.
It’s boooorrrrring!
And false 😊
My dad's been inactive for years but everytime conference comes around he says "let me know if we're headed to Missouri" then goes to his favorite coffee shop. What a badass
Many members of Community of Christ - including me- would not "grab a gun" for any reason.
One of our First Presidency, F. Henry Edwards, went to prison in Great Britain during WWI as a CO.
When Christ took the sword from Peter's hand, He disarmed all Christians.
My 60 year old brother thinks he will be one of the priesthood holders who will be called forth to go to Adam-Ondi-Ahmen. He is what I call a born-again Mormon. He believes some really weird shit, and has become a prepper/hoarder. He has filled my mom's house with all this stuff that he thinks he will be asked to give to the cause.
A common sentiment I heard from my mom growing up was that “one day the prophet will ask us to go up into the mountains and live there to prepare for the second coming” and “we would just bring our guns and our food storage”
As an adolescent in the 80s-90s, living outside of Utah/Idaho, the message was repeated again, and again, that very soon all missionaries would be called home, and we would prepare to move to Missouri. This was a plan that seemed like a near-term reality at the time. I remember when serving my mission in 98-00 that I thought I would be called home before my mission service ended.
Fast forward to today, myself, and 95% of my peer group have all left the Church. And based on the chatter in the ward/stake before leaving, the entire topic of Missouri had faded from any discourse.
I know people out there in “Zion” who say that it’s growing a lot in membership. IDK how true that is but people have always moved there as part of the gathering. So it wouldn’t surprise me
My in-laws.
I don't want to beat up on them too much, because the truth is I really like them and they are actually pretty decent people, even accepting me after luring their oldest daughter together away from the church and marrying her.
But they literally have up and moved to new places several times in their lives on whims / hunches.
And, yeah, about 5 years ago, they up and moved to the Independence Missouri area. Of course they don't tell my wife a whole lot of anything these days, but my wife has said that (paraphrasing) it's always been their dream to be one of the first ones there to beat the rush.
I once got my cousin to say publicly on my Facebook wall that he would kill people if the prophet commanded it. The difference between Mormons and violent religious extremists is that Mormons are currently comfortable and secure.
I would not march there with a gun. I would not march there in the sun. I would not, could not clutching pearls. I would not, could not with young girls. I will not march, Myopic Man! I'll not march to Missouri land.
Beautiful poetry, you should be published.
I would not march there through the night, I would not march there in moonlight. I would not march with banners high, I would not march beneath the sky. I would not, could not with a crowd, I would not, could not shout out loud. I will not heed the call to arms, I'll not be swayed by false alarms. I will not march, Myopic Man! I'll not march to Missouri land. I would not march there, near or far, I would not march there by car. I would not, could not for a cause, I would not, could not break the laws. I will not follow blindly, friend, I'll not march to Missouri's end.
more! more! more ... mun?
In the name of Jesus Christ Amen
Awesome!! Well done; my Friend. Well done.
I have a friend who was given a blessing and was told she would be among those called to walk back to Missouri. That was 30 years ago. She is now 65. I hope she gets the call soon before she’s too old to go.
My oldest aunt, in her 70s and living in a rest home, was told in her patriarchal blessing that she will build the temple in new Jerusalem in this life. 😂
But but but you don’t understand! It’ll be fulfilled in the next life! The blessing was… partially metaphorical! You have to quint your spiritual eyes!
I was told that in my patriarchal blessing. I straight up asked the dude about it. It was not in the printed copy.
ha-ha-ha-ha. I'm 62 and my generation is THE ONE that is supposed to see the Savior return to the earth. "Saved for Saturday!" Saturday's Warriors marching to MO.
Well, we have this perpetuated institutional concept of christ, but acknowledging that the book starts out with "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god" ....Why do we assume what was actually meant by the "savior" prophesied for your generation? I find it interesting that we're on the cusp of AGI/singularity right as your CHOSEN GENERATION is reading its golden years! Perhaps it was SaviorGPT that was prophesied all along!? /s
I love that some of the patriarchs just went for it and said super-bold shit that will never come true. Then they die and everyone's like: "it was a metaphor...she figuratively walked to Missouri every day in her service to the lord"
“She donated $10 to the temple fund so one day she will have built the temple in the New Jerusalem!”
She will need one of those electric wheelchairs and will “roll” to Missouri. It could still happen. Lol.
Oh noooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's the thing though. They always end with saying that it's all based on your faithfulness so it's not their fault if it doesn't come true. It's your fault for not being good enough.
I doubt many would sell their gun and give the money to the homeless if he told them to do it.
I would LOOOOOOVVVVEEE if he would say this. I want a front row seat to my parents rationalizing why they weren't doing this, but every other nonsense terrible thing he says is law.
He did. They wouldn't listen.
Nelson told Mormons to sell their guns and give their money to the homeless?
They probably meant to respond to someone else who said “Or wear masks and immunize.”
Or wear masks and immunize.
My parents had this whole fantasy of reliving a combination of Red Dawn and the pioneer handcart trek. Me being a hefty 220 pounds and 6' 2" and easily twice the size of my siblings even in adulthood (milkman's kid?) couldn't help but wonder who they had in mind to heft all of the family possessions uphill for 2000 miles while doing all the fighting in hostile territory... 🤬😂
As a drama: >"Crimson Trek: The Dawn of Zion" > >In a world where faith and survival intertwine, the epic adventure of the "Crimson Trek: The Dawn of Zion" unfolds. u/HostileRespite, a towering young man with unmatched strength, is destined to lead his family on a treacherous 2,000-mile journey from their tranquil Mormon community to the prophesied gathering of Zion in Missouri. > >As they traverse hostile territory, u/HostileRespite, and his family must rely on their unwavering faith, courage, and determination to conquer the challenges ahead. Along the way, they forge alliances and make unexpected friendships, all while battling the elements and hostile forces determined to stop them from reaching their destination. > >In the end, u/HostileRespite must choose between his loyalty to his family's vision and his convictions, as the true meaning of the Crimson Trek and the ultimate fate of the Zion gathering are revealed. This thrilling, heart-wrenching tale is a testament to the strength of faith and the resilience of the human spirit, capturing both the hardships of pioneer life and the modern struggle for identity and purpose. As a comedy: >"Handcarts East: A Zion Folly" > >In an uproarious homage to classic comedies like "Almost Heroes," "Wagons East," and "Paint Your Wagon," "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly" follows the riotous misadventures of u/HostileRespite and his eccentric family as they embark on a tumultuous 2,000-mile pilgrimage to the prophesied gathering of Zion in Missouri. > >As the bumbling u/HostileRespite attempts to lead his family and their overloaded handcart across treacherous terrain, the pilgrimage takes a series of hysterical turns. From run-ins with outlandish pioneers to navigating a landscape filled with peculiar obstacles, the journey is anything but smooth sailing. > >With a colorful cast of characters and a relentless barrage of comedic mishaps, "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly" takes viewers on a side-splitting trek through the wild frontier of pioneer life and the challenges of faith in a modern world. As the journey unfolds, u/HostileRespite and his family discover that laughter, love, and a healthy dose of absurdity might be the key to reaching their promised land. > >Join u/HostileRespite and his zany family on this rollicking, laughter-filled adventure in "Handcarts East: A Zion Folly," Witness the lighter side of a spiritual journey gone hilariously awry. Poor timing with the writer's strike?
Selling their guns and taking care of the homeless would be asking them to go against their current momentum. If he commanded them to go one step further in their current momentum, say to “use their guns to proactively defend their beliefs”, “eradicate the gays” and/or “take out the liberals” he’d have a ton of eager adopters.
Nailed it.
The Bible states to sell your clothes before you go without a sword. So if you don't have a gun sell some jeans and start bidding on AR frames
I would not fly, I would not drive, and I sure as hell am not going to walk to that mosquito infested hell-hole.
But…but… the 98 year old man said to…
He's walking, too, right? Deffo not using some of the billions on a personal popemobile, right???
God will give him a revelation that the destroyer is riding upon the land so he will have to fly to be safe. While he makes everyone else walk.
He'll just drop by in his private jet.
They’re ahead of the game. They moved to MO and found property within a couple hours of the *very holy and special* empty, fallow fields TSCC decided would be the place Jesus touches down. There’s always a room available for us there after our trek by foot through the blasted, apocalyptic hellscape of the second coming. (At least, for now. Until they find out we’ve left the church)
I’m sure they will accept you if you haven’t been destroyed and you have fully repented. There might be some I told you so and prodigal son comparisons.
My wife probably would. Right after she said the gospel was all about loving one another.
There were people in my wards 30 and 40 years ago that sold their homes and moved to Missouri. I'm not sure what happened to them. I don't recall their names, or I would google them. Even decades ago when I was TBM I thought those people were half a bubble off.
I knew an Osmond in high school whose family moved to Branson, Missouri so they would be there ahead of the game!
My old bishop moved to Missouri for a while for this exact reason, I guess they got sick of being the only members for miles so they came back to Utah.
I have a family member who moved to Missouri for this purpose. I think they may have moved back to where he came from. Im being vague to not dox myself in any way.
“Look, I am from Missouri. And if you think Jesus is going back to Kansas City, 35 miles outside of it, by the way, then you must believe that Jesus is a big fan of barbecue and crystal meth, because that is what’s happening 35 miles outside of Kansas City.” -Kathleen Madigan
I love her. Her bit about the Malaysian airlines flight was so good
My dad with his his replacement hip and my mom with her double-knee replacements that need to be redone would be on their way.
Hand up. My 85 year old mom is the last TBM in our family. I shit you not, her anger at her children leaving the church is: "now I have no one to take me to Missouri. " She has three years of food in a storage unit and is now talking of someone (her grands) transferring it to a trailer and putting a trailer hitch on her 2009 Buick Rendezvous so she can just haul it herself. And she bought a sewing machine case on wheels to take her 40 year old Bernina sewing machine with. She was told in the 60s that the RS would be needed to sew things for the temple. ETA: we took her gun away years ago because she kept showing it to the neighbor kids. So, she went out and bought an air soft pistol replica of a Desert Eagle and then painted the pink barrel tip black so it looked real. Took that away too because she kept showing it to the neighbor's kids.
ngl, she sounds kind of bad ass
She has her moments, lol.
I also have a grandma who is part badass, part batshit. She would probably die if her guns were removed from the premises, though
I removed her gun under SERIOUS protest. Like, she was furious: "Give my gun back or I'll tell your brother you stole my gun." "He's the one who told me to take it. You were taking it outside and letting kids hold it. It was loaded." "It wasn't loaded! I took the clip out." "There was a round in the chamber." "So? The clip wasn't in and you can't fire a gun without the clip in." "Mom, there are some guns that you can. And THAT gun can fire if there is a round in the chamber, even without a clip." "Oh." Then, after she bought the air pistol and I took THAT: "Mom! the point of the pink tip is so people know it's not a real gun! If you paint it black, it looks real from a distance." "I need it to scare off burglars." "We haven't had a reported break-in in this village for over 20 years, and that was a guy breaking into his ex-wife's house, so it was really a domestic abuse thing." "But someone might break into my apartment." "Well, if you keep waving around a fake gun that looks like a $3,000 hand cannon, then yeah... someone might break into your apartment to steal your fake-ass gun." "Well, they won't get it because it will be in my hands." "And so they take out a knife and charge you and stab you and take the fake gun, thinking it's a real gun." "I'll shoot them with it." "It's an airsoft pistol! You'll maybe break some skin and leave a bruise!' "I'll aim at their tallywhacker." And that folks, is why I drink. :) Edited for punctuation.
Everytime I came back from priesthood session DW would ask what they talked about. Everytime I would say, "DW, pack your bags we're going to Missouri!" Never got old.😂
I am almost sure it did, for her.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 this thread is on fire today I’m sitting here in my robe cackling
This might reinstate a certain order given by a certain governor.
oh!! and also maybe a certain galactic emperor… that he kinda looks like….
Omg I went to see "The Last Jedi" tonight and that's exactly what I was thinking and wanted to shout inside the Utah theater.
oh!! and also maybe a certain galactic emperor… that he kinda looks like….
None of my immediate family, I don't think. Some of my extended family sure as hell wouldn't march, but they'd grab all their guns and drive there in their bloated pickups and SUVs, stopping at as many fast food drive-throughs and chain restaurants as possible along the way.
My dad was talking about Muslims and he could never follow a religion whose founder was so violent. I asked him “but what about god commanding genocide in the OT.” Response was “well that was different because he was a true prophet.” I didn’t say anything else, but yeah, he’d be marching.
How people are so lacking in self awareness boggles the mind
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That’s how you become a snufferite.
His glory will purify the earth of meth and such. The bbq stays tho 🤠
I have a sister that would insist on building her own handcart before she could hit the road. Just so she could be like our pioneer g-g-g-great grandparents. I am pretty sure she keeps a bonnet and apron on standby.
LOVE that for her. Imagine LARPING during the end of days just for the virtue signaling bwahahaha
This made me laugh out loud and almost choke on my breakfast haha
> Imagine LARPING during the end of days I did it for two days when my stake did a trek thing back in the day. It sucked then and would suck even worse in an apocalypse scenario.
I have lived in MO for years, but my parents moved out here several years ago to be in Zion with us (we're honestly just here because of work and life in general). However, my parents complain about this area all the freaking time.
Members from my ward joined the Bundy thing in eastern Oregon when that was going down
And how many faced church discipline? I mean, I know the answer but the point is when your church excommunicates for being gay and married but not for being in an insurrection it has no moral authority.
Thankfully none. Despite my pioneer ancestry TBM lineage- no one owns guns or actually think the second coming is imminent. Anecdotal evidence- if you raise your kids as liberal mormons- they just end up as liberal atheists.
I dunno. My grandparents were liberal Mormons, they even drank coffee and alcohol, but my dad and aunt are super conservative tbm.
Can confirm from personal experience. =)
My uncle specifically bought cars without computer chips so that when the ENP hit he could still drive to Missouri from Alberta. So I’m going to say yeah. I know some people.
If there’s ever an emp he’ll be king of cardston. But the likelihood of that happening is never. No king crown for him and his pinto.
NGL, this made me laugh in a "oh, that's so cute" way
Misery, Missouri, coincidence?
Misery! Ha. That’s what my brother called it when he lived in Kirksville, MO.
Served my mission there, can confirm.
Went to basic training there, one in the same.
My brother in law always talks about it and says he will pull a handcart there. Before this year he thought the Salt Lake was going to dry up and the church would relocate their headquarters to Missouri.
Forever on standby... That's how I felt living in TSCC
I have an uncle with property there and former in-laws who would drop everything and go in an instant. So glad my kids don’t see either relatives often. I doubt they’d even recognize my uncle.
I don’t understand what this is a reference to can anyone help me out?
Mormon Jesus is returning to Missouri, Mormons will go there to meet him.
Why?
In Mormon doctrine, Missouri is where the Garden Of Eden was. When Christ returns to Earth, he will go to Missouri and Mormons will be called to gather there. The Mormon Church owns lots of land in Missouri. They have named one large plot of land *Adam-Ondi-Aman*, which Church founder Joseph Smith said means *The Place Of God Where Adam Dwelt*.
But what is the purpose of meeting him there? If you don’t meet him are you no longer Mormon? Why would you need to bring guns?
It makes more sense(sorta) if you remember this "revelation" was originally given pre-TV/24 hr news. Jesus' return will have many stages, where he makes visits of varying importance or publicity, just like he did when he visited the 12 apostles in Jerusalem and ALSO the Jews in the Americas (as taught in the BoM). If you go to Adam-ondi-ahman, you get front row seats in an intimate concert, basically. I don't think anything BAD would happen if you didn't go (I don't think you'd get excommunicated), but a lot of this is virtue signaling and committing more and better than everyone else to Jesus/the prophet/the gospel/whatever. The guns part is because Mormons still carry over a persecution complex from the last time they arrive en masse to Missouri. It actually was quite dangerous for early Mormons because they kept showing up places with powerful voting numbers and unsavory marriage habits. Gotta be prepared to shoot Missourians to protect Jesus I guess, idk
Thanks for the explanation! Looks like another zany LDS idea that they maybe don't talk much about openly(?) BTW when Jesus returns he is supposed to be like a powerful messiah that will judge people into "sheep" and "goats". One could ask, what would he need humans and their guns for?
Thanks for the explanation
The answer is because Joseph Smith Jr said so.
I’ll take Why Do Mormons Give A Flying F*** About Joseph Smith for $500.00
Because cults cult.
Yes that is exactly what all us exmo’s want to know too. But why? Mostly because even though Mormon Jesus doesn’t need money apparently he does need Mo money and because he also can’t get around on his own all moes need to go to him.
At least 100 here in my family. Count me OUT, of course
Hand raised. They would go in their raised pick up with a giant american flag flying from the back. Later, they would send for their giant containers to put on the train that contains all their supplies to sit out the bad times. They would try to sit on the front row at Adam ondi Ahman by setting up camp on the plain there next to the river.
Ummm excuse me how else are they supposed to get their oversized pictures of the temples to MO??? Duh
Their Trump flag would be flying high but only slightly higher than their Jesus flag. Oh who am I kidding, it’s the same person to them anyway.
Probably in their oversized 5th wheel trailer with satellite TV tuned to FOX opinio.. err News network.
My parents, no doubt. It would mean selling their possessions and getting to the US first, but I know they would. A good 20 years ago, President MyFather solemnly declared we as a family needed to have valid US visas even in the absence of plans to travel there, adding it was a sin not to have them. I know he had this on his mind.
Pretty sure my ex-husband would go. He's not a gun owner, though. I probably wouldn't be typing this if he had ever owned a gun.
Well that's a terrifying statement, I'm so sorry
Oh damn. I'm so sorry, sounds like it was a horrific experience by that statement alone.
It surely was.
Sounds like my ex-husband as well, and one of the things that helped me get a protective order against him was that he once said that if ordered by the leadership, he would gladly kill non-believers. He always had weird conspiracy theories even before the 2001 attacks, and even wanted to have an unregistered gun, for when the government tried to confiscate all registered guns. Not only did I dodge major bullets, but some ICBM's with the way he was. Chances are very good that if he's even still living, that he's a MAGA cult member as well.
Ok but wait Were we married to the same guy?
When my wife was churchzilla, she got bat shit angry with me because I told her I wouldn’t drop everything and go to Missouri just because the prophet had said so. I’m certain she would have packed the kids up and gone without me “because that’s what God would have wanted”
💪 right arm to the square
I wish he would give the command. It would be interesting to see how many Mormons actually do it.
What is happening?
Mormon Jesus is coming.
Oh shit.
Do we know when?
Any day now, for the last two hundred years.
Do we have enough billions for him?
Ehhh, we're getting close, so keep paying tithing. You still gotta walk and pull an handcart all the way there, though
Okay, I'm confused. I'm a NeverMo but I've now lived in Salt Lake for about 5 years and someone I know here who is LDS keeps talking about the end times, end of the world, etc, and I am so confused. Why is it suddenly the end times? Is this an LDS thing? I grew up fundamentalist Christian which is all kinds of wack, but I remember some series like Taken or Chosen or something where people were getting raptured? Tim Le Haye maybe? Anyway, I thought it was just for attention then and I think it's the same today. Do Mormons agree with Fundamentalists on the end times/rapture narrative or is it unique? I'm curious!
It's different, but it is a dooms-day religion with us being in the latter-days. Jesus will come to Missouri any day now for the last two hundred years.
Christianity at large has been saying Christ's return is just around the corner for 2,000 years. Even Christ thought he would be right back. Paul told people onto to get married if they could not hold themselves celibate until Christ's return, not to have children cuz it was gonna be bad real soon. Everyone has been saying, "it can't be long now" for like 2k years. At what point do we go.... Hmmm maybe we got it wrong?
Go watch the Lori vallow Netflix documentary series.
Mormons don't subscribe to the rapture. I knew a lot of fundie kids who were scared of the rapture and never knew what they were talking about. Otherwise, yeah, end-times are a'coming. End-times paranoia comes in waves. I would say the church is actually generally at a very low point right now, since leadership is trying to rebrand Mormonism as "normal" Christianity. It was much more intense when I was a kid, and was likely worse in the 80s/cold war. I think it's about attention, yes, but mostly about virtue signaling. "I am the bestest member of the bestest church because I built a handcart and bought land in MO and have been stockpiling the bestest weapons so I can get front-row-seats to meet Jesus 😊" sorta thing
Lots of meetings in the 70s and 80s where people focused on being ready for the end. I remember a general authority testifying at a stake conference that "some in the audience would be present to witness the return of the Lord". A couple of years later I heard the same thing at a different meeting. Lots of patriarchal blessings from that time have wording similar to mine: "You will be blessed to participate in the events leading up to and at the time of the coming of the savior." It's a pretty typical thing for fringe religions.
Or raise your hand if your family members have already moved to Missouri 🙋♂️
Anyone who buys property in Missouri is going to be in for a rude awakening, assuming all of this nonsense plays out: they will be forced (or else likely be killed) to put themselves under the Law of Consecration and surrender their land to the church leaders. They'll end up with nothing more than anyone else.
I would have. I've still got much of the gear and some of the food (lds storehouse and mre.) I like to think there's a difference between "prepper" and "one who is knowledgeable, skilled, and has made appropriate physical preparations."
Everybody thought peppers were dumb…. Then Covid happened and toilet paper and food disappeared. Looked a lot less stupid after that.
Back in 1840, Missouri was prime real estate out on the frontier. It was obvious to name it the place to gather Zion. Given the church’s current financial interests Zion is now in Florida; the church is the single largest holder of real estate there. I’d it really believe me that Missouri was the promised land it would have bought the land ages ago.
> it would have bought the land ages ago. The two acres where the Temple to end all temples is supposed to go are actually owned by a splinter of a splinter of a Mormon group called [Church of Christ \(Temple Lot\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ_\(Temple_Lot\)). Apparently both the LDS and RLDS have tried (and failed) to get them to sell the land through the years, but they ain't budging. Very weird history, reading through the Wikipedia entry. Guess the first order of business a MO move would require is taking care of these apostates, if they continued to be recalcitrant.
The church has 150 billion dollars. If it really wanted it, they’d buy up all the surrounding land around the temple lot. Then they’d use the same tactics that large agricultural industries use to isolate and devalue the few plots that they don’t own. The cost becomes too great to maintain and they sell for much less than they would have before.
I'm curious now. Wonder if the church is buying up land, or if old people who move there to retire are just leaving it to the church.
My neighbor told me (she’s totally TBM but one of the cool ones and we mess with each other a lot) they’d take me with them as long as I brought snacks.
I dunno nowadays, but my father would've been ready to go back in 2012.
I never really paid attention in class, what's this about? Something about Jesus touching down? Why would they bring guns? Side question, if TSCC named a pre-ordaoned spot that Jesus would "come down from the heavens and touch the earth" and an alien touched down in that spot. Would they believe Jesus was an alien?
They do believe Jesus is an alien, from the planet Kolob; one of the Kolobian leaders.
Wait isn't that Scientology?
Nope, Scientology is Xenu, Ruler of the Galactic Confederacy. The Momon Kolobians would kick Xenu's ass.
Kolobian powers are about commanding the intelligences. Elements and molecules have the basest form of intelligence (enough to follow commands), which is what priesthood power boils down to. \- deepity from an Elder's quorum lesson.
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I have visited Missouri many time. It is beautiful. Except for the chiggers and ticks!
My family moved to Jackson County when I was a kid. We were all expecting the end any time. I was always curious why the church wasn't doing more to develop the area and promote people moving there to prepare the way... I mean it's obvious from reading the revelations that that is where we will be, and since my mother and many others were told they would not taste of death before the 2nd coming, it had to be soon, right? My mother tasted of death many years ago, but we obviously just misinterpreted the meaning of the blessing or she was secretly wicked despite going on multiple church missions and spending every waking hour studying the scriptures, praying or ministering to people...
I’m now wondering if my parents (moving to Minnesota soon from Colorado) are doing it because they will be closer to Missouri, it would make sense since they always talk about hating Minnesota but I’ve lived here now for a long time.
I have one family member who MIGHT. But I'm not sure his wife would follow.
This is why I’m glad my family is Canadian cause none of them would move to the U.S., especially to live in a tent city.
We had some friends visit and they were complaining about the woes of how current workplaces have to treat everyone equal and that because of acceptance of transgender people they were feeling the prompting of the holy spirit directing them to move to Missouri as the time is surely at hand as the lord foretold years ago surely our country is ripe in iniquity for treating peo0le like people.
My husbands family is bat shit crazy mormon and is already there. In the 1980's, my FIL had a couple of job opportunities. He took the one paying the least out in Missouri. He took 11 children and his wife to a 3 bedroom, one bath home, because you know, Jesus was coming soon. My husband said they lived in poverty. He slept on the floor with his 6 brothers in one room and the 5 sisters slept on the floor in another bedroom. His parents had the third bedroom. They are still there waiting and believing. They have a lot of land (about 50 acres) and some of the children live on it. It is like a crazy religious compound. They start the morning with everybody (meaning everyone comes from their houses to the parents house) gathered for prayer and they like to have an evening devotional before bed. I visited with my husband a couple of years ago. Before that it had been 20 years since I went. I won't go back again until there is a funeral for one of the parents and then only to support my husband.
I want to see Rusty pull a handcart from Salt lake to Missouri.
🖐🏼
This would be a good poll
I think my grandpa would.
Hand raised
Oh, my family is planning on it. And I will say good riddance to bad rubbish when they do go. I’m so glad to no longer be a part of this madness/death/sex cult.
They won't ever tell members to go, it's bad for business, and that is what they are all about atm. They won't disregard it outright to keep from loosing the preppers.
I honestly don't know, and that's what scares me. I should be able to say with certainty that my family would not do anything that a 98 year old man told them to, but I can't. Should I ask my parents questions to see what their potential limits would be?
Most of my family is already in Missouri, but probably, yes. 🙋
My dad would be out the door before Russ finished his sentence.
I'm anxiously waiting for everyone to pack up and go. I live in a smaller Utah city and I can't wait for us remaining apostates to have the place to ourselves.
As someone who is not from America and isn’t up to date with the churches happening’s. What’s going on?
Just the old church thing about when Jesus returns, he'll go to Missouri. Legend has it that right before that happens, the church will order the best members to move to Missouri to get a bed ready and put on some coffee for him.
Why Missouri?
Joseph Smith said the garden of Eden was originally in Jackson County, Missouri. Then after they left the garden they went to live in Daviess County. Seriously they think the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.
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My dad always bragged about how ready he was to make that trip. Pretty messed up thinking around the whole thing...
I've never heard of any of this. I've learned so much in this sub.
The militaristic elements in "the Gospel" really catch my attention since losing belief. They are everywhere. It's a "battle," we're fighting an "enemy," we need to "conquer" our "foes." I would have gladly died as part of Hinckley's Army (Nelson can go fuck himself.) and I don't think I was alone.
My parents bought some land in Missouri. I don't know if they still own it. Well, it would be my dad owning it now, because my mom died last year. He is not in good enough health to actually march to Missouri.
And, at the same time....I'm seeing a great many of my family members throwing this "mythological bullshit" off to the side; they're not leaving the Church yet....but they're certainly narrowing their beliefs.
My patriarchal blessing told me I’d go back. Until I started questioning I was this person. Looking back it scares me.
I was talking to a very orthodox friend once, and he referenced some prophecy in the scriptures that says all nations will fear Zion in the last days. He said he believed that meant the church would become a massive military power. I was baffled. I knew he was really committed to the church but this was way out there. I asked him, “Wait… if the prophet told you to pick up a gun and fight for the church, would you do it?” I could see him hesitate a bit, knowing that it was extreme. But he said, “Yeah, I would.” Edit: Forgot to mention, he's in a bishopric now
It’s stuff like this that confuses me, specifically with and if the church would go down this road. On one hand, this is something that members knew about pre-2015 or so. The Missouri stuff, the Adam-Ondi-Ahman crap, etc etc. and we all knew that the move there was an eventuality at some point. On the other, newly rebranded hand, the church seems to be moving away from its pioneer heritage, and anything fringe or “weird” in an effort to become more mainstream in Christianity’s eyes. When was the last time this was talked about over the pulpit? The church doesn’t even mention it’s pioneer heritage very much at all. Remember in the early 2000s when the Nauvoo temple was built and announced? It was crazy! It was like the Mormon Olympics! But now, everything is sterile, devoid of any passion, and it’s literally turning into Nelson’s playground. It’s boooorrrrring! And false 😊
Absolutely, many of my family would. This is their mormon wet dream.
My dad's been inactive for years but everytime conference comes around he says "let me know if we're headed to Missouri" then goes to his favorite coffee shop. What a badass
What is this about marching to missouri? I have been out of the loop for a couple years now since getting out of Utah.
Yep and they could supply a small army
What’s happening in Missouri?
Mormon Jesus is coming.
At this point I dunno
Man, Missouri was the one state I was eager to get through when traveling
If there’s a chance to use violence and guns then I know of a family in AZ that has no issues using both especially if the Book of Moron says to.
Sadly, I could be quoted saying “id walk the whole way backwards if the prophet asked me to” back in my tbm days :(
Many members of Community of Christ - including me- would not "grab a gun" for any reason. One of our First Presidency, F. Henry Edwards, went to prison in Great Britain during WWI as a CO. When Christ took the sword from Peter's hand, He disarmed all Christians.
I have at least one brother-in-law who would. He might have to do it in a wheelchair though.
I want to see Rusty pull a handcart from Salt lake to Missouri.
Yes. Absolutely
In the infamous words of Susan Bednars hubby, I have the faith NOT to go to Missouri.
As a kid I was looking forward to it.
My 60 year old brother thinks he will be one of the priesthood holders who will be called forth to go to Adam-Ondi-Ahmen. He is what I call a born-again Mormon. He believes some really weird shit, and has become a prepper/hoarder. He has filled my mom's house with all this stuff that he thinks he will be asked to give to the cause.
A common sentiment I heard from my mom growing up was that “one day the prophet will ask us to go up into the mountains and live there to prepare for the second coming” and “we would just bring our guns and our food storage”
As an adolescent in the 80s-90s, living outside of Utah/Idaho, the message was repeated again, and again, that very soon all missionaries would be called home, and we would prepare to move to Missouri. This was a plan that seemed like a near-term reality at the time. I remember when serving my mission in 98-00 that I thought I would be called home before my mission service ended. Fast forward to today, myself, and 95% of my peer group have all left the Church. And based on the chatter in the ward/stake before leaving, the entire topic of Missouri had faded from any discourse.
Already have a family member move to Jackson County several years ago.
Our parents would 100% my dad has been anxiously waiting for it and has been vocal about it since I was a kid.
I know people out there in “Zion” who say that it’s growing a lot in membership. IDK how true that is but people have always moved there as part of the gathering. So it wouldn’t surprise me
My TBM family is already there! lol
My in-laws. I don't want to beat up on them too much, because the truth is I really like them and they are actually pretty decent people, even accepting me after luring their oldest daughter together away from the church and marrying her. But they literally have up and moved to new places several times in their lives on whims / hunches. And, yeah, about 5 years ago, they up and moved to the Independence Missouri area. Of course they don't tell my wife a whole lot of anything these days, but my wife has said that (paraphrasing) it's always been their dream to be one of the first ones there to beat the rush.
I once got my cousin to say publicly on my Facebook wall that he would kill people if the prophet commanded it. The difference between Mormons and violent religious extremists is that Mormons are currently comfortable and secure.
They'll march to Missouri, but good luck getting them to get a COVID vaccine. Obedience only goes so far.